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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Do you think it is right to imprison a mother who hasnt been able to get her child to school? Before you say you wouldnt ever have that problem, just think of the mother who is depressed, has no self respect /esteem who maybe struggles to get out of the house and has no support at all.

Surely there are other measures in place to avoid this? I happen to know someone who has been sent down for 4 months because she hasnt been able to get her daughter to school. The father and other children live in the home as well.

When I was young you wouldnt have heard of it.

Your views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think it is right to imprison a mother who hasnt been able to get her child to school? Before you say you wouldnt ever have that problem, just think of the mother who is depressed, has no self respect /esteem who maybe struggles to get out of the house and has no support at all.

Surely there are other measures in place to avoid this? I happen to know someone who has been sent down for 4 months because she hasnt been able to get her daughter to school. The father and other children live in the home as well.

When I was young you wouldnt have heard of it.

Your views."

Have the other children been going to school?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't think it's right, I know of many children that are what we term "school refusers " the ewo's should be working with the parents to find the cause and work together. Another way of doing it is home school them. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems a little odd to me. Why couldn't the father take them, is there a service that the council or school offers to take them, maybe organise with another parent?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not sure i can comment as they do take all things into consideration - and i dont know the full story

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Wilful negligence of a child's education should be soundly chastised.

Otherwise, help should be offered, not punishment.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"No I don't think it's right, I know of many children that are what we term "school refusers " the ewo's should be working with the parents to find the cause and work together. Another way of doing it is home school them. X "

If the mother is suffering the problems outlined , she's probably not in a fit state to home school .

Can't see why the father can't help . How do the other kids manage ?

Hope she gets some help inside .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before I was diagnosed with my fibro n I was still living with my girls some days it was easier to let them skive then drag myself to school with them. Not something I'm proud of but I was poorly n my ex wouldn't help me. He just used to say i was lazy.

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it is right to imprison a mother who hasnt been able to get her child to school? Before you say you wouldnt ever have that problem, just think of the mother who is depressed, has no self respect /esteem who maybe struggles to get out of the house and has no support at all.

Surely there are other measures in place to avoid this? I happen to know someone who has been sent down for 4 months because she hasnt been able to get her daughter to school. The father and other children live in the home as well.

When I was young you wouldnt have heard of it.

Your views.

Have the other children been going to school? "

They have left school and one is working one isnt.. both lads.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The father is a parasite.. best word for him. He works and now the daughter is around 14.. she complains of stomach pains and aches.. and bad periods so refuses to go.

You cant force a child that age to go.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester

I used two wag the odd day off skool

Nether did me annie arm.

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By *huckzMan
over a year ago

spalding


"Do you think it is right to imprison a mother who hasnt been able to get her child to school? Before you say you wouldnt ever have that problem, just think of the mother who is depressed, has no self respect /esteem who maybe struggles to get out of the house and has no support at all.

Surely there are other measures in place to avoid this? I happen to know someone who has been sent down for 4 months because she hasnt been able to get her daughter to school. The father and other children live in the home as well.

When I was young you wouldnt have heard of it.

Your views."
......taxi for kids maybe ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it is right to imprison a mother who hasnt been able to get her child to school? Before you say you wouldnt ever have that problem, just think of the mother who is depressed, has no self respect /esteem who maybe struggles to get out of the house and has no support at all.

Surely there are other measures in place to avoid this? I happen to know someone who has been sent down for 4 months because she hasnt been able to get her daughter to school. The father and other children live in the home as well.

When I was young you wouldnt have heard of it.

Your views.......taxi for kids maybe ?"

Not if the child refuses to go in.. gets sick, cries etc etc - then the mum feels guilty. Vicious circle and the child hasnt been for probably 6months.. maybe longer.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor


"not sure i can comment as they do take all things into consideration - and i dont know the full story"

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?"

The daughter has been left with an Auntie and I have no idea if shes taking the girl to school.

Maybe being locked up will end in a positive outcome once the rest of the family realises just how bad things have got.

Maybe the mother will be stronger when she gets out.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?

The daughter has been left with an Auntie and I have no idea if shes taking the girl to school.

Maybe being locked up will end in a positive outcome once the rest of the family realises just how bad things have got.

Maybe the mother will be stronger when she gets out. "

one of my exes got properly diagnosed with mental health problems in prison and gotthe help he needed and never ended up back in there since. your last line might actually be true if she gets the same.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?

The daughter has been left with an Auntie and I have no idea if shes taking the girl to school.

Maybe being locked up will end in a positive outcome once the rest of the family realises just how bad things have got.

Maybe the mother will be stronger when she gets out.

one of my exes got properly diagnosed with mental health problems in prison and gotthe help he needed and never ended up back in there since. your last line might actually be true if she gets the same."

Sorry to hear that. I guess there is help even if youre inside for a short period of time.

Sad as this may sound, the mother told me before she went to court, that if she gets locked away, at least she will have some peace and quiet, a bed (has slept on the kitchen floor with just a pillow many a time) meals and some peace and quiet. Obviously shes not gone down that route just to have a spell in prison but I hope she comes out stronger.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?

The daughter has been left with an Auntie and I have no idea if shes taking the girl to school.

Maybe being locked up will end in a positive outcome once the rest of the family realises just how bad things have got.

Maybe the mother will be stronger when she gets out.

one of my exes got properly diagnosed with mental health problems in prison and gotthe help he needed and never ended up back in there since. your last line might actually be true if she gets the same.

Sorry to hear that. I guess there is help even if youre inside for a short period of time.

Sad as this may sound, the mother told me before she went to court, that if she gets locked away, at least she will have some peace and quiet, a bed (has slept on the kitchen floor with just a pillow many a time) meals and some peace and quiet. Obviously shes not gone down that route just to have a spell in prison but I hope she comes out stronger.

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he was in and out all the time until he got an 18 month sentence and someone noticed what was wrong with him then, been a good prognosis ever since.

i know what you mean. being a mum with no support is hard, unfortunately you just gotta get on with it coz those kids are dependent on you. i am wondering why the guy who lives with her isn't being treated the same way though? seems very sexist that all of the burden (under law) seems to have been placed on her.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?

The daughter has been left with an Auntie and I have no idea if shes taking the girl to school.

Maybe being locked up will end in a positive outcome once the rest of the family realises just how bad things have got.

Maybe the mother will be stronger when she gets out.

one of my exes got properly diagnosed with mental health problems in prison and gotthe help he needed and never ended up back in there since. your last line might actually be true if she gets the same.

Sorry to hear that. I guess there is help even if youre inside for a short period of time.

Sad as this may sound, the mother told me before she went to court, that if she gets locked away, at least she will have some peace and quiet, a bed (has slept on the kitchen floor with just a pillow many a time) meals and some peace and quiet. Obviously shes not gone down that route just to have a spell in prison but I hope she comes out stronger.

he was in and out all the time until he got an 18 month sentence and someone noticed what was wrong with him then, been a good prognosis ever since.

i know what you mean. being a mum with no support is hard, unfortunately you just gotta get on with it coz those kids are dependent on you. i am wondering why the guy who lives with her isn't being treated the same way though? seems very sexist that all of the burden (under law) seems to have been placed on her."

Because the social services are not aware he is living there. Hes been in and out of work and in and out of the kids lives due to his cheating.

As a father he could have done alot more but hes a lazy fucker if you ask me.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"So what happens when she come's out of prison and the girl still won't go? Is she going now?

The daughter has been left with an Auntie and I have no idea if shes taking the girl to school.

Maybe being locked up will end in a positive outcome once the rest of the family realises just how bad things have got.

Maybe the mother will be stronger when she gets out.

one of my exes got properly diagnosed with mental health problems in prison and gotthe help he needed and never ended up back in there since. your last line might actually be true if she gets the same.

Sorry to hear that. I guess there is help even if youre inside for a short period of time.

Sad as this may sound, the mother told me before she went to court, that if she gets locked away, at least she will have some peace and quiet, a bed (has slept on the kitchen floor with just a pillow many a time) meals and some peace and quiet. Obviously shes not gone down that route just to have a spell in prison but I hope she comes out stronger.

he was in and out all the time until he got an 18 month sentence and someone noticed what was wrong with him then, been a good prognosis ever since.

i know what you mean. being a mum with no support is hard, unfortunately you just gotta get on with it coz those kids are dependent on you. i am wondering why the guy who lives with her isn't being treated the same way though? seems very sexist that all of the burden (under law) seems to have been placed on her.

Because the social services are not aware he is living there. Hes been in and out of work and in and out of the kids lives due to his cheating.

As a father he could have done alot more but hes a lazy fucker if you ask me. "

oh right, that explains that then. i did think it was strange until you said.

yeah, you'd think he'd be doing everything possible to keep the mum of his kid(s) out of prison.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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Because the social services are not aware he is living there. Hes been in and out of work and in and out of the kids lives due to his cheating.

As a father he could have done alot more but hes a lazy fucker if you ask me.

oh right, that explains that then. i did think it was strange until you said.

yeah, you'd think he'd be doing everything possible to keep the mum of his kid(s) out of prison. "

He doesnt care. He didnt go with her to court, neither did the youngest son who could have gone as he doesnt work. They will realise just how much her not being there will affect them. She runs around after them doing their washing, cooking cleaning , offering money etc etc. Gets no thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is one of those threads where we need all the facts before giving an opinion, I'm sure there's much more to it.

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By *ilthyDebaucheryWoman
over a year ago

Telford

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do you think it is right to imprison a mother who hasnt been able to get her child to school? Before you say you wouldnt ever have that problem, just think of the mother who is depressed, has no self respect /esteem who maybe struggles to get out of the house and has no support at all.

Surely there are other measures in place to avoid this? I happen to know someone who has been sent down for 4 months because she hasnt been able to get her daughter to school. The father and other children live in the home as well.

When I was young you wouldnt have heard of it.

Your views.

My first question is why not the father getting sent to prison?"

as above post, noone knows he lives there .. hes not on the system at all. He gets paid cash in hand for the job he does so not record of him living there or being involved with the family.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

yes.. there were 3 probation meetings that the mother missed .. probably just too worried to attend them or perhaps just tried to brush it under the carpet.

She was warned she would be sentenced if she didnt attend the meetings.

I guess she knew what was coming but I think there could have been some assistance from the authorties in some way. Maybe visiting the daughter at home?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes.. there were 3 probation meetings that the mother missed .. probably just too worried to attend them or perhaps just tried to brush it under the carpet.

She was warned she would be sentenced if she didnt attend the meetings.

I guess she knew what was coming but I think there could have been some assistance from the authorties in some way. Maybe visiting the daughter at home? "

If she missed three probation meetings then it makes sense to me that she would go to jail. It also doesn't set much of an example to a child to go to school...harsh maybe, but these things can be harsh.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"yes.. there were 3 probation meetings that the mother missed .. probably just too worried to attend them or perhaps just tried to brush it under the carpet.

She was warned she would be sentenced if she didnt attend the meetings.

I guess she knew what was coming but I think there could have been some assistance from the authorties in some way. Maybe visiting the daughter at home?

If she missed three probation meetings then it makes sense to me that she would go to jail. It also doesn't set much of an example to a child to go to school...harsh maybe, but these things can be harsh."

Yes I agree. But if you knew of her situation you would kind of understand how hard it has been to enforce any discipline in the home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes.. there were 3 probation meetings that the mother missed .. probably just too worried to attend them or perhaps just tried to brush it under the carpet.

She was warned she would be sentenced if she didnt attend the meetings.

I guess she knew what was coming but I think there could have been some assistance from the authorties in some way. Maybe visiting the daughter at home?

If she missed three probation meetings then it makes sense to me that she would go to jail. It also doesn't set much of an example to a child to go to school...harsh maybe, but these things can be harsh.

Yes I agree. But if you knew of her situation you would kind of understand how hard it has been to enforce any discipline in the home.

"

That's the problem, we don't know her situation or all the details so how can we decide if her being sent to prison is right or wrong.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I can't comment on this particular case, but I know that (in our area anyway) court is a last resort and jail time rare.

This is because there IS lots of support for families, including mental health assessments, and looking at alternative schooling options where appropriate.

However, you cannot force parents to cooperate, and it isn't possible to force a child to go or stay at school.

No I don't work for Social Services...

Nita

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was just wondering if you agree with it or not? some people will decide without the facts and details in front on them.

I think its wrong personally. Our prisons are full and to bang up someone for not taking their child to school isnt a crime in my opinion.

I think there should have been more support for the child .. i cant say for certain if there was or wasnt but clearly she wasnt going to school.

I just think our judicial system gets it wrong sometimes.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Personally, I don't agree with prison in these cases.

If the child is old enough, they should be held responsible, not the parent. How the hell do you make a14 year old go to school?

There should be some sort of enforced schooling option that isn't a prison type environment.

No idea if it would be legal or feasible.

Nita

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont know the full story - but surely this woman needs help not prison.

That poor child.

It's awful how so many people that cant function have children?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

where i come from the local council provide a school run for children that cant get to school , its like a free taxi , accompanied by a carer if required

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes.. there were 3 probation meetings that the mother missed .. probably just too worried to attend them or perhaps just tried to brush it under the carpet.

She was warned she would be sentenced if she didnt attend the meetings.

I guess she knew what was coming but I think there could have been some assistance from the authorties in some way. Maybe visiting the daughter at home?

If she missed three probation meetings then it makes sense to me that she would go to jail. It also doesn't set much of an example to a child to go to school...harsh maybe, but these things can be harsh.

Yes I agree. But if you knew of her situation you would kind of understand how hard it has been to enforce any discipline in the home. "

Eh, discipline is a parent's problem. I'm not a very sympathetic person with this stuff.

Your OP was vague, but your statement above was pretty cut and dry. She is getting jail time because she failed to show up to the probabtion meetings, and I don't see anything wrong with that. Even someone who can't enforce disciline has a legal responsibility to attend mandatory probabtion meetings. And she didn't. That's just my opinion, though. I realize it's a harsher opinion than most.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I agree with all your comments .. and thank you.

The mother happens to be someone very close to me. Shes a beautiful person inside and out.

I think this spell in prison will make her assess her life and be a positive thing.

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