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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I have to say that the news came as no real shock as like most other drug addicts she tried to get clean on many occasions but the power of Herion became to much.

I would hope that this may send out a clear up to date message to the younger generation that drugs can kill you..

Zamo did it in the 80's/90's. I think the government take a back seat when it comes to drugs.. There are drug services out there that are hanging on by a shoe string due to funding cuts. There are many 27 year olds that die everyday from drugs who go unreported. I hope that now they can use this awful news and turn it into something that will help the generation of today.

Without going into to much detail there was a man that came out of prison was clean in prison was sent to the most disgusting of accommodation. Came to get a letter from myself and then went and hung himself..

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Or a good example for any parent to show any of their children of what not to do.

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation. "

No just you

Was there really any need for the sarcasm? Nothing nice to say, don't say anything!

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation.

No just you

Was there really any need for the sarcasm? Nothing nice to say, don't say anything!"

Yes dear.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Or a good example for any parent to show any of their children of what not to do."

The quality of modern parenting is itself a different thread. Wow, that would crank global warming up a notch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Live by the sword die by the sword.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I think it is just really sad that she has died. I can only imagine how her father feels. Like the woman who knocked over and killed her mother while on a driving lesson. Or the parents who are sill waiting to see if their children died in Norway.

Saying 'its a shame she died but....' demeans us all. It's just sad. Thats all we need to say.

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I was merely stating my arguement how can you call her a cunt... She is not one, We can all become drug addicts it takes one event in our life to turn us into one. So don't be quick to judge other people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.k,Very sad yes, but she decided her own path in life, its nothing compared to the loss of life in Oslo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who compared it to Oslo??? Missed that comment

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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It is to her parents, they have a massive loss too.

It isn't a competition to see who has the most grief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im sorry i thought the main thread of this was "Amy Winehouse RIP" and took it as a simple thread for fans of her singing and music to say the simple things, little tributes etc.

Yet some see it as a chance to do these flippant, smarty pants, "oh well im not bothered" etc,style comments, find it unbelievable actually.

Oslo,not getting into the whats worse debate, will carefully read all comments in that too, and then thoughtfully comment, maybe, little bit of thought helps sometimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"I was merely stating my arguement how can you call her a cunt... She is not one, We can all become drug addicts it takes one event in our life to turn us into one. So don't be quick to judge other people. "

Where did i call her a cunt? Please point out where i did call her a cunt? I misread the title of the thread, i asked if anyone else had.

I then posed the question as to whether she was a good role model for todays society.

Did i say anywhere that you were not stating your arguement, or indeed did i refer to your post in any way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im sorry i thought the main thread of this was "Amy Winehouse RIP" and took it as a simple thread for fans of her singing and music to say the simple things, little tributes etc.

Yet some see it as a chance to do these flippant, smarty pants, "oh well im not bothered" etc,style comments, find it unbelievable actually.

Oslo,not getting into the whats worse debate, will carefully read all comments in that too, and then thoughtfully comment, maybe, little bit of thought helps sometimes.

A forum such as this one will always spark debates that get heated. If someone wants an Amy Winehouse Tribute thread then it would probably be a good idea to title a thread "Amy Winehouse Tribute" - that way the mods have a clear understanding of what the thread is about and can edit anything out that isn't a tribute.

The discussion about her addictions can be discussed on another thread leaving the tribute one for what it is meant for.

But nobody posted a tribute thread, so this is what we're left with - an open forum discussion.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Im sorry i thought the main thread of this was "Amy Winehouse RIP" and took it as a simple thread for fans of her singing and music to say the simple things, little tributes etc.

Yet some see it as a chance to do these flippant, smarty pants, "oh well im not bothered" etc,style comments, find it unbelievable actually.

Oslo,not getting into the whats worse debate, will carefully read all comments in that too, and then thoughtfully comment, maybe, little bit of thought helps sometimes.

The discussion about her addictions can be discussed on another thread leaving the tribute one for what it is meant for.

But nobody posted a tribute thread, so this is what we're left with - an open forum discussion."

Totally agree on this one Wishy....

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Actually I would say the first thread was a tribute/ condolence thread to her with the title being what it was, but that didn't stay one either.

But for anyone that it applies to, please don't twist what people are saying.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Im sorry i thought the main thread of this was "Amy Winehouse RIP" and took it as a simple thread for fans of her singing and music to say the simple things, little tributes etc.

Yet some see it as a chance to do these flippant, smarty pants, "oh well im not bothered" etc,style comments, find it unbelievable actually.

Oslo,not getting into the whats worse debate, will carefully read all comments in that too, and then thoughtfully comment, maybe, little bit of thought helps sometimes.

The discussion about her addictions can be discussed on another thread leaving the tribute one for what it is meant for.

But nobody posted a tribute thread, so this is what we're left with - an open forum discussion."

Well said Wishy. On behalf of myself and many other posters who get "jumped on" for expressing a _iew (*) thank you, thank you.

(*) and for not actually saying what we're alleged to say.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"Actually I would say the first thread was a tribute/ condolence thread to her with the title being what it was, but that didn't stay one either.

But for anyone that it applies to, please don't twist what people are saying."

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is to her parents, they have a massive loss too.

It isn't a competition to see who has the most grief

Agreed!

"Im sorry i thought the main thread of this was "Amy Winehouse RIP" and took it as a simple thread for fans of her singing and music to say the simple things, little tributes etc.

Yet some see it as a chance to do these flippant, smarty pants, "oh well im not bothered" etc,style comments, find it unbelievable actually.

Oslo,not getting into the whats worse debate, will carefully read all comments in that too, and then thoughtfully comment, maybe, little bit of thought helps sometimes"

Agreed!

I struggle to see why some have chosen to slate Amy/compare tragedies/use these threads as a platform to judge others/take the mickey!

Grief is painful to those left behind no matter what the cause of death... taking the piss is low level and uncalled for

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

Just found this in another thread.

BREAKING NEWS. ..Elton john will sing a beautiful rendition of the song "candle under the spoon" at the funeral of Amy Winehouse

Just about sums up the whole situation, the amount of time I have wasted on this subject has made me realise life outside the forums is more interesting than life in them!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

we all know addictions can be dangerous, be the drugs, drink, smoking, gambling and a million other things... and i was sad that a lot of people in the other thread showed a distinct lack of compassion and respect...

music wise was she one in a generation... probably not, she was damn good and will be remembered as definatly one of her age... and without the likes of amy winehouse doing it her way and showing that it can be successful there is no way you would have had the likes of an adele doing her thing now.......

she was a talented kid, she fell in the wrong crowd and it made the problem a lot lot worse....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't believe this has taken 2 threads I don't see this fuss when it's a troop killed servin their country

It's shocking

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I think we should put things into perspective....Amy Winehouse was a singer, that's all, a singer.

I could understand that if a site member was her Mother, her Sister, or her best friend taking offence at negative comments....but fans of this singer getting so riled up about comments that may not be lovey dovey about her drug taking habits?

People have every right to state their _iews on Amy Winehouse as it is an open topic about someone who wasn't a member of this site....so in that sense it's not a personal attack that affects site members.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"we all know addictions can be dangerous, be the drugs, drink, smoking, gambling and a million other things... and i was sad that a lot of people in the other thread showed a distinct lack of compassion and respect...

she was a talented kid, she fell in the wrong crowd and it made the problem a lot lot worse...."

Yes, exactly, medical books have a drink a day or a drink a week or a drink every few hours classed as "an addiction" for example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts."

I said much the same thing to Siren this morning when we were discussing it. I *know* heroin is addictive because it contains chemicals that react with other chemicals in my body/brain that ensure addiction. Crack Cocaine only has to be taken ONCE and addiction is guaranteed.

The information regarding heroin/crack has been out there for decades now so anyone who still chooses to inject/inhale is basically sticking two fingers up to the rest of the world and deciding to go their own way. Their choice.

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

To all this waste of space and air fans take 2 minutes to check this out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/amy-winehouse-booed-off-stage-in-serbia/2011/06/20/AGg6l3cH_video.html

If that's talent then I'm a f'ing genius.

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

In some ways it is their choice but some are introduced to it by other people who say take this and all your troubles will dissappear when someone is so low they think yes lets do it.. I remember a case of abuse in my career where a woman was forcefully injected with heroin by her boyfriend basically he used to tie her up and inject it... She became an addict what my arguement is in the majority of cases it is there choice but in other its not.

How about babies that are born addicted to heroin? whilst I am not trying to cause arguements or negitivity on this gorgeous Sunday morning. I am just so passionate about this subject due to my job...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Sadly diamond, the person normally taking the drugs has a choice of wether to or not at the beginning.

Ok there might be instances like you said where someone was forced it, but most addicts probably knew the dangers before they used.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

Yeah and information about lung cancer and its connection with smoking has been "out" for years too. Those people who smoke are basically sticking up their fingers to the rest of the world and their families and deciding to go their own way.

What level do we base compassion? To the smokers who are addicted to cigarettes, is that an acceptable addiction. Its costs the NHS thousands a year, should we just not treat smokers for any cancer related illness.

Are we harder on heroin addicts. Do those people deserve to die more than the smokers.

What about celebrity, when known celebrities die from addiction, are we bothered about it. There are many many celebrities who have died where drug addiction has been a direct cause or a factor. Or are we only compassionate about those celebrities that we admire?

What about when other tragedies happen on the same day a celebrity dies from drug addiction. Can we find it in our hearts to be compassionate about two things, or do we have to make the choice and decide who deserves it more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Live by the sword die by the sword."

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By *outhlondondudeMan
over a year ago

london

Compassionately put!

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By *outhlondondudeMan
over a year ago

london

Honestly, man, you really are not funny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

Are we harder on heroin addicts. Do those people deserve to die more than the smokers.

Other addictions don't count Iconic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No its a case of

All addicts are equal

Just some are more equal than others

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Honestly, man, you really are not funny."

Hit the reply and quote button so people know who you are replying to xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No its a case of

All addicts are equal

Just some are more equal than others

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

okay then... so now playing devils advocate... do we offer the same level of compassion to those who die from... lets say.....

a) lung cancer? because as we all know... smoking is addictive..

b) Liver Failure? because as we all know... Drinking and alcohol is addictive..

or are we now choosing which vices you want to be outraged at??

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

But you rarely hear of alcoholics or smokers breaking into houses to feed their habit do you?

From official police statements on drug related crime;

'Examples of users needing £15,000 to £30,000 a year to fund drug habits have often been given. To make such amounts of money from stolen goods police often suggest multiplying by three – on the basis that stolen goods will fetch about one third of their normal value. There are estimates of between 130,000 and 200,000 problematic drug users in the UK. That is a lot of theft, burglary, fraud or shoplifting if all are stealing to pay for things. This has led some people to suggest that well over half of all acquisitive crime is drug-related and that the market value of goods stolen involved could be between £2-2.5 billion each year'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

okay then... so now playing devils advocate... do we offer the same level of compassion to those who die from... lets say.....

a) lung cancer? because as we all know... smoking is addictive..

b) Liver Failure? because as we all know... Drinking and alcohol is addictive..

or are we now choosing which vices you want to be outraged at??

I'm not outraged. I simply said it was the choice of an addict to start using heroin (with the exception of those pointed out in DiamondGurly's post who are forcibly injected), and it is no different for smokers, drinkers, or any other addictive substance used the world over. Nobody forced me to smoke, I did it of my own volition and have been a smoker because I want to be a smoker. I'm not outraged as I know drugs are here to stay and Amy Winehouse won't be the last celebrity to fall because of them.

An interesting post on bbc comments was from someone who said: "The saddest part of this whole thing is that Amy couldn't have done her young fans a better favour than dying." I found that quite poignant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh so its ok to be an addict and you can look down your nose at other addicts as long as your not a thief?

And you don't think the alcoholic could possibly ruin their families lives with their addiction. You don't think it matters that they spend most of their money on booze and don't care about how their kids will eat. Or the fact that as a family they can't go out because the alcoholic may get abusive when d*unk.

What about the smoker, is it ok to smoke in pregnancy and not pass on the gift of lifelong disability to your unborn child. Is it ok to smoke at home and force children to suffer the effects of passive smoking. Or the legacy of becoming ill and not being there for the kids.

It is very naïve to suggest that only the drug addict is a criminal and that other addictions do not have the same level of destruction.

And as for the googled police stats, I can't comment as I don't read cut and paste quotes, when I interact on a forum I prefer the thoughts of that person and not the thoughts of some statistician

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

It wasn't Googled actually...and I never passed them off as my own statistics as I clearly stated that they came from Police statements....to a Drug awareness website incidentally.

And as I am not an addict in any sense (Drugs, Tobacco, or Acohol) I am not looking down my nose at anyone....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't Googled actually...and I never passed them off as my own statistics as I clearly stated that they came from Police statements....to a Drug awareness website incidentally.

And as I am not an addict in any sense (Drugs, Tobacco, or Acohol) I am not looking down my nose at anyone....

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"But you rarely hear of alcoholics or smokers breaking into houses to feed their habit do you?

From official police statements on drug related crime;

Can I just say that is wrong I know alcoholics with a criminal record as long as my arm mostly for drink driving and for violent offences plus shoplifting. I know drug addicts with no criminal records what so ever.. As an alcoholic you need to feed your habit where drugs are more expensive to buy so is alcohol when you are drinking upwards of £20 a day on booze..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But you rarely hear of alcoholics or smokers breaking into houses to feed their habit do you?"

Probably not... but I've heard of drink drivers causing fatal accidents and I've heard of smokers accidentally starting fatal fires... I've also heard of drug users doing the same but I never knew Amy Winehouse broke into peoples houses to feed her habit????

....it's so easy to tarnish all with one sloppy brush

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... I've also heard of drug users doing the same but I never knew Amy Winehouse broke into peoples houses to feed her habit???? "

She was rich enough to not have to. It remains to be seen if she died of drink or a drugs overdose. If it was drugs, the next question that will be asked is who supplied the fatal dose?

I'm sure over time we'll see the inevitable conspiracy theorists who will declare she was murdered. It's bound to happen because it always does.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Well being a multi million pound earning popstar she would hardly have been turning to crime or prostitution to feed her costly habit would she?....

But if she wasn't earning all that money?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

I personally think I wouldnt want to be around anyone and especially not a boyfriend who injected heroin or crack in the first place thats just asking for trouble

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

I personally think I wouldnt want to be around anyone and especially not a boyfriend who injected heroin or crack in the first place thats just asking for trouble "

Errrr he hid it from her for a fair few years...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but in order to become drug addicts an individual has first to take an addictive drug.....and as I don't, I can't potentially become one.

So in that context, we can't all potentially become drug addicts.

I personally think I wouldnt want to be around anyone and especially not a boyfriend who injected heroin or crack in the first place thats just asking for trouble

Errrr he hid it from her for a fair few years... "

wow good on him must have taken a fair bit of doing on his side to get away with that ,or maybe and again just my thoughts she chose to ignore what was going on under her nose, again just my thoughts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Such a shame about Amy. In my opinion, she was the most talented vocalist this country's ever produced.

I'm a big fan of Jo Ann Kelly but, for rare talent, I think Amy is/was the best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Motorhead Lemmy got booted out of Hawkwind for doing too many drugs there was film on tv about there life on the road Motorhead and about how he takes loads of drugs but the one he would never take is heroin his girl friend died from that and he said thats the killer ... and why he was still alive as dont do that. I am not sure about drugs to me thay are all bad and could kill you if taken .. I am Sure we are going to find out soon what it was could just be her body over years could not take no more .... just give out ?

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By *uckscouple2007Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

"In my opinion, she was the most talented vocalist this country's ever produced."

ever??

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Such a shame about Amy. In my opinion, she was the most talented vocalist this country's ever produced.

I'm a big fan of Jo Ann Kelly but, for rare talent, I think Amy is/was the best."

Two albums....one of which was distinctly mediocre....doesn't unfortunately make anyone the most talented vocalist the country has ever produced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Motorhead Lemmy got booted out of Hawkwind for doing too many drugs there was film on tv about there life on the road Motorhead and about how he takes loads of drugs but the one he would never take is heroin his girl friend died from that and he said thats the killer ... and why he was still alive as dont do that. I am not sure about drugs to me thay are all bad and could kill you if taken .. I am Sure we are going to find out soon what it was could just be her body over years could not take no more .... just give out ? "

iot was well known she was suffering from emphysema,and her dad was worried that it would be that illness which would kill her ....but i really dont think anyone can really be surprised about her death having seen her at the serbia concert ...what the hell were her managemnt thinking of allowing her to be on stage in that state ? Iloved amys music when she was clean and sober and as a mum my thoughts are purely with her family who must be devastsated ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Such a shame about Amy. In my opinion, she was the most talented vocalist this country's ever produced.

I'm a big fan of Jo Ann Kelly but, for rare talent, I think Amy is/was the best.

Two albums....one of which was distinctly mediocre....doesn't unfortunately make anyone the most talented vocalist the country has ever produced."

What is mediocre in your eyes may well be the best thing since sliced bread in someone elses ..

Wouldn't do if we were all the same, would it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she was on her normal meds for her herion addiction , then taking more drugs and drinking .

its very clear on the methadone bottle that you are not ment to drink while on it or take more drugs (my friend is a herion user altho we dont see her alot anymore)

the problem is when someone is on the stuff regardless of anything else that drug is there world . and she had the money to fund it as much as she wanted too .

now had the record company cut her off of her money until she was clean . forced her to do more than 1 week in rehab or allowed her father to section her then maybe she wud be alive , but her being the way she was sold records and a nice clean amy wudnt of sold so well

i remember the last time being at my mates house and her friend came out from the loo and into the living room he sat down and then went blue ... my friend had to give him mouth to mouth while i called 999 they came and gave him a shot to stop the drugs from working and he refused to go to aNe so they left 3 hours later he was found in a toilet in a pub 2 mins down the road Dead in there loo's by a staff member .

its a real shame she is dead for her family but its not a suprise at all

each time they "shoot" up thats what they risk simple as

i see my friend on off if i am in salisbury i will stop and chat to her but shes always in a rush to get a hit it makes me sad she is the way she is but there isnt anything you can do

we both came from good familys and good homes we were both offered to try some around 6 yrs ago i said no she said yes now shes hooked makes me sad to think about it

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well said Wishy. On behalf of myself and many other posters who get "jumped on" for expressing a _iew (*) thank you, thank you.

awwww maybe they should of sent you a pm to tell you off personally then???

oh yes elephants have long memories

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Two albums....one of which was distinctly mediocre....doesn't unfortunately make anyone the most talented vocalist the country has ever produced.

What is mediocre in your eyes may well be the best thing since sliced bread in someone elses ..

Wouldn't do if we were all the same, would it ?"

It wasn't until 'Back to Black' became a big selling album that her first album 'Frank' began to sell any serious amount of copies....the reason was that 'Frank' WAS considered distinctly mediocre.....by many top music critics.

I have both albums, her second was very good, but the first was nothing special...in my opinion.

And you have to ask the question, where was the much promised third album if she was truly to be considered a 'great'.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

awwww maybe they should of sent you a pm to tell you off personally then???

It's one way, at least it keeps peoples differences/squabbles off open forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She got what she deserved have no sympathy for drug addicts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

Hold on a minute.

Why not have a bit of decency? Someone has died here and by the sounds of it tragically and way before her time. Whatever happened to respect for the dead?

Why make such nasty and childish comments? About 6 hours ago you said you'd wasted enough time on this.

Why the change of heart?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

awwww maybe they should of sent you a pm to tell you off personally then???

It's one way, at least it keeps peoples differences/squabbles off open forums. "

granted but then maybe it had been none of that persons bees wax???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

god forbid it should happen to one of your children .......???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we should put things into perspective....Amy Winehouse was a singer, that's all, a singer.

Pretty much sums up what I've been thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

Wasn't necessary really, was it?!!

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

Hold on a minute.

Why not have a bit of decency? Someone has died here and by the sounds of it tragically and way before her time. Whatever happened to respect for the dead?

Why make such nasty and childish comments? About 6 hours ago you said you'd wasted enough time on this.

Why the change of heart?

Sort of wound up by the amount of time wasted on this subject. I have lost good mates to various conflicts all over the world. Another dead squaddie is not good news for their family either but it happens daily. How much time do you devote to that? Bottom Line was she was a smackhead. I'm an alcoholic however, I chose not to drink anymore. She made the wrong choice.

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

Wasn't necessary really, was it?!!

My _iew see post above

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over a year ago

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

Wasn't necessary really, was it?!!

you cant really say that seeing as how you just agreed that people can voice their own opinions on an open forum however i do get where you are coming from

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

god forbid it should happen to one of your children .......???"

I agree but may be its time people got some perspective on this. see my post above

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and you know what... it took me to hit rock bottom before I realised I wasn't indistructable and that it wasn't just about me and it was affecting the people around me.....

good for you for not drinking... but as you should then know you take it one day at a time.... I think you may have forgotten that bit....

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

god forbid it should happen to one of your children .......???

I agree but may be its time people got some perspective on this. see my post above"

Why not let other people decide what persepective to put on it.

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

and you know what... it took me to hit rock bottom before I realised I wasn't indistructable and that it wasn't just about me and it was affecting the people around me.....

good for you for not drinking... but as you should then know you take it one day at a time.... I think you may have forgotten that bit...."

No mate not forgotten at all, I actually live with it every day of my life. I just make the choice not to drink 1 day at a time. I actually enjoyed her first album, by the time the second came along she was lost to her addiction. I just think that 2 threads full is a bit much given everything else that goes on in the world today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... but her being the way she was sold records and a nice clean amy wudnt of sold so well"

You may well have touched upon what was her 'genius' - she sang about personal experiences and most of those she experienced while high on drugs or smashed out of her skull on booze. Sober, she seemed to be striving to lead as normal a life as her interpretation of the word would allow. Her hangers on had other ideas though. They *wanted* a high & d*unk Amy as she funded their habits too. Surrounded by people of that ilk she never stood a hope in hell of weaning herself off drugs and drink as everytime she tried they hauled her back in.

And she sang about it.

I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor wretch tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh they should have made me stay in rehab, but now I'm dead dead DEAD!

Wasn't necessary really, was it?!!

you cant really say that seeing as how you just agreed that people can voice their own opinions on an open forum however i do get where you are coming from "

Indeed, but some people seem intent on flaming and it isn't necessary. It's not difficult to put your opinion across without being offensive, but like you, I see your point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think anyone is jumping for joys that a young woman has lost her life, but i didn't know her personally and didn't agree with her lifestyle choice. Im not going to pretend to care about her death.. however i think there have been some harsh words said. Least her troubled soul is at rest now..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just think that 2 threads full is a bit much given everything else that goes on in the world today."

These two threads have given rise to a lot of personal posts by many members here who have a story to tell - and some of them have been heart-wrenching, some of them inspirational - such as yours for instance.

That's the real beauty of living in a society where we can discuss almost anything without fear of being watched and recorded and then visited late at night by govt men in black suits.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and you know what... it took me to hit rock bottom before I realised I wasn't indistructable and that it wasn't just about me and it was affecting the people around me.....

good for you for not drinking... but as you should then know you take it one day at a time.... I think you may have forgotten that bit....

good... i look at everything one day at a time as well... and i try to listen to those around me.... and the memory of me hitting rock bottom is enough to me to say that I never want to be there again........

and you know what....here is a tip for you...

if there is a thread you don't like... move on... it is as simple as that....

its really not that radical

there is enough going on that you don't have to focus on every thread....

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By *acktilMan
over a year ago

Tewkesbury

and you know what... it took me to hit rock bottom before I realised I wasn't indistructable and that it wasn't just about me and it was affecting the people around me.....

good for you for not drinking... but as you should then know you take it one day at a time.... I think you may have forgotten that bit....

and you know what....here is a tip for you...

if there is a thread you don't like... move on... it is as simple as that....

its really not that radical

there is enough going on that you don't have to focus on every thread...."

A very good tip, I did say I wasn't coming back to this one. Me thinks I mean it this time. Thanks for your wisdom and advice.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Sort of wound up by the amount of time wasted on this subject. I have lost good mates to various conflicts all over the world. Another dead squaddie is not good news for their family either but it happens daily. How much time do you devote to that? Bottom Line was she was a smackhead. I'm an alcoholic however, I chose not to drink anymore. She made the wrong choice."

hundreds of people die everydy and each one of them is sad it in its own way but i bet you dont spend anytime thinking of them because you didnt know them.

ok so i am guessing the majority of us didnt know Amy personally but she was a public figure due to her singing and unfotunately also for her well publicised love affair with Pete Doherty and drugs but the fact is she was known to us and so we comment on her death

like others have said i believe her lifestyle choices have led her to cut short her own life and that is a sad fact but we must remember she was someones daughter, a loved one.

if one of your own family was to die under similar circumstances would yo stand among the grieving tell them to get over themselves and that they bought it on themselves because they made the wrong choice?

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

"It wasn't until 'Back to Black' became a big selling album that her first album 'Frank' began to sell any serious amount of copies....the reason was that 'Frank' WAS considered distinctly mediocre.....by many top music critics."

I have both albums and actually prefer Frank! lol I agree it is less commercial.

Either way she was unique in pop at the time she started out. She did her own thing without record execs interfering, whether you like her thing or not is another matter. Certainly opened the door for the likes of Adele and the myriad of 'me toos' as Fabio alluded to.

For those that like to laugh at people dieing be it a bunch of teens on an island off Oslo or a burnt out has-been pop singer from Camden is irrelevant, a life is a life. The reasons that life has gone is a matter for records. It takes a high level of ignorance and pea like small mindedness to be able to think one life is any less valuable just because they pissed it away or it was taken from them.

Parts of this thread are actually pretty ghoulish and creep me out. Yuk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... I've also heard of drug users doing the same but I never knew Amy Winehouse broke into peoples houses to feed her habit????

She was rich enough to not have to. It remains to be seen if she died of drink or a drugs overdose. If it was drugs, the next question that will be asked is who supplied the fatal dose?

I'm sure over time we'll see the inevitable conspiracy theorists who will declare she was murdered. It's bound to happen because it always does."

You are right about conspiracies... they are always around when a household name loses their life way too young.

One thing for sure... to those that think she brought it on herself, do you not think for one second that the dealers are somehow to blame? They are the real criminals making a fine nest egg for themselves feeding a desperate addict whilst naming their price. They are the real low-life scum bringing pain and misery into hundreds of thousands of lives every day

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By *ilandlarryCouple
over a year ago

more north lincs than mids!

well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two albums....one of which was distinctly mediocre....doesn't unfortunately make anyone the most talented vocalist the country has ever produced.

What is mediocre in your eyes may well be the best thing since sliced bread in someone elses ..

Wouldn't do if we were all the same, would it ?

I have both albums, her second was very good, but the first was nothing special...in my opinion.

And you have to ask the question, where was the much promised third album if she was truly to be considered a 'great'."

The third album is apparently complete and was due to be released but the date was moved back because she had checked into rehab.

I have no doubt it will soon be on the shelves ..

Will it be a classic ? who knows until we hear it, but Frankly I hope it blows my socks off and send all the sceptics Back to Black

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just think that 2 threads full is a bit much given everything else that goes on in the world today."

Then why continue to contribute to the 2nd thread ?

If you think it's 'a bit too much' thats fair enough, walk on past, ignore it and leave it to those who wish to continue the discussion.

I think that's a reasonable enough way to deal with it ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One thing for sure... to those that think she brought it on herself, do you not think for one second that the dealers are somehow to blame? They are the real criminals making a fine nest egg for themselves feeding a desperate addict whilst naming their price. They are the real low-life scum bringing pain and misery into hundreds of thousands of lives every day

I don't agree. From what I heard it was an ecstasy and drink overdose. Now ecstasy may be a Class A drug but it's hardly the kind of thing that's difficult to procure.....and alcohol is of course perfectly legal.

She was a twenty-seven year old woman, and whilst it's a very sad story, she made her own lifestyle choices as an adult, and that included the decision to take drugs. IMO all drugs should be legalised anyway because that takes the criminal element out of the equation but this is hardly the place to debate that.

I hope she finds some peace in the next life, and at least she's left her mark in this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two forum posts on this ....... full of people who dont care and them who do ..... we know how easy it could be to get a fix of drink or drugs , And when your around a person whos into this you see how its not just them its hurting but there familys and friends too.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

You gloat that you don't take drugs.

Or do you ? Cigarettes? Alcohol ?

Perhaps when life gets tough and

KICKS YOU IN THE TEETH you might be a bit weaker and feel the need.

Amy was more talented than any of her Stage School contempoaries -

Emma Bunton, Mika, Leona Lewis,

she plays guitar and wrote the songs on her albums.

In a short time recieved critical acclaim and awards, and World wide fame, and sadly for whatever couldn't cope.

"I cheated myself, Like I knew I would,

I told you I was trouble,

You know that I'm no good."

Amy clearly had her problems, low self esteem, self harmed, eating disorders. Fucked up by the man she loved, and hounded by the Press. A bit like a few other people Princess Diana ? Cheryl Cole ?

What have you achieved in your life ? How close are you from the edge, orgoing over it ?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"You gloat that you don't take drugs.

Or do you ? Cigarettes? Alcohol ?

Perhaps when life gets tough and

KICKS YOU IN THE TEETH you might be a bit weaker and feel the need.

Amy was more talented than any of her Stage School contempoaries -

Emma Bunton, Mika, Leona Lewis,

she plays guitar and wrote the songs on her albums.

In a short time recieved critical acclaim and awards, and World wide fame, and sadly for whatever couldn't cope.

"I cheated myself, Like I knew I would,

I told you I was trouble,

You know that I'm no good."

Amy clearly had her problems, low self esteem, self harmed, eating disorders. Fucked up by the man she loved, and hounded by the Press. A bit like a few other people Princess Diana ? Cheryl Cole ?

What have you achieved in your life ? How close are you from the edge, orgoing over it ?"

Who have you aimed this question at?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

oh dearie me.... I have read many threads over the years that made my jaw hit the floor...

and I have again tonight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't agree. From what I heard it was an ecstasy and drink overdose. Now ecstasy may be a Class A drug but it's hardly the kind of thing that's difficult to procure.....and alcohol is of course perfectly legal. "

What the?????????

The post mortem hasn't even been carried out yet.... or have I missed something?

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

Im gob smacked at some of the comments in here so many perfect people frequent the forums.... what the hell diffrence does it make if she died of a drink and drug overdose? her life and she choose that life, at the end of the day a talanted young woman who couldnt beat her demons has died shes someones daughter ,grand daughter,neice.. if it was one of your own would you come out with your nasty vile comments ?

i very much doubt it and if someone else was to say the nasty things that have been said about amy regarding one of your family members them im sure you would deck them as quick as look at them .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do know that the Grange Hill cast were all off their tits when they did the "just say no" video lol Zammo included

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Im gob smacked at some of the comments in here so many perfect people frequent the forums.... what the hell diffrence does it make if she died of a drink and drug overdose? her life and she choose that life, at the end of the day a talanted young woman who couldnt beat her demons has died shes someones daughter ,grand daughter,neice.. if it was one of your own would you come out with your nasty vile comments ?

i very much doubt it and if someone else was to say the nasty things that have been said about amy regarding one of your family members them im sure you would deck them as quick as look at them ."

I only see one member on the thread making vile comments, everyone else has been debating the subject....or do you expect everyone of us to share your thoughts on the matter without question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation. "

Didnt your mother teach you if you cant say nothing nice, say nothing at all?

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By *awty_MissDynomiteNo1Woman
over a year ago

No idea, I'm lost. Damn Sat nav!

i dont just mean this thread the other one too ....and no i dont but still im entilted to my opinion like everyone else

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation.

Didnt your mother teach you if you cant say nothing nice, say nothing at all? "

Maybe he doesn't feel there is anything nice to say about Amy Winehouse....surely he is entitled to that opinion?

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By *ustyWoman
over a year ago

inverclyde

getting fed up now with all the amy winehouse stuff..... she ruined her life with booze and drugs............. norway was something that should never have happened

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

i very much doubt it and if someone else was to say the nasty things that have been said about amy regarding one of your family members them im sure you would deck them as quick as look at them ."

The greatest targedy in this is indeed the parents.

From what i've read ( i havent a clue about the truth ) they did as much as they possibly could, their absolute utmost, to help their daughter. Yes, a daughter. A daughter, who apparently had cleanish phases, yet wouldnt respond to her own parents. That is heartbreaking.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

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over a year ago

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation.

Didnt your mother teach you if you cant say nothing nice, say nothing at all?

Maybe he doesn't feel there is anything nice to say about Amy Winehouse....surely he is entitled to that opinion?

I'm sure there was some good in her, even if it was as a loving daughter. She mattered to someone.

Im not defending her, she wasted her life. But there is a family in tears she left behind.

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over a year ago

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation.

Didnt your mother teach you if you cant say nothing nice, say nothing at all? "

My mother taught me a lot actually, before dying of self inflicted lung cancer. But hey, that's her choice and i learnt enough.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

No idea why but its posting everything twice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and i bet you cried alot when she died of something you yourself say was self inflicted?

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"and i bet you cried alot when she died of something you yourself say was self inflicted?"

Not one tear. Ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont know of anyone that has never shed a tear over their mother passing. You must be soulless.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"I dont know of anyone that has never shed a tear over their mother passing. You must be soulless."

Not at all, keep guessing.

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over a year ago

Anyone else read this as AW cunt?

Such a good role model for the younger generation.

Didnt your mother teach you if you cant say nothing nice, say nothing at all?

Maybe he doesn't feel there is anything nice to say about Amy Winehouse....surely he is entitled to that opinion?

I'm sure there was some good in her, even if it was as a loving daughter. She mattered to someone.

Im not defending her, she wasted her life. But there is a family in tears she left behind."

Ditto xx

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

seriously... do you do it just to wind people up and rub them up the wrong way....

sometimes just not participating at bowing out gracefully is enough to get your point across....

did you really need to come back and have the final word.........

sometimes words just escape me.....they really do

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

"seriously... do you do it just to wind people up and rub them up the wrong way....

sometimes just not participating at bowing out gracefully is enough to get your point across....

did you really need to come back and have the final word.........

sometimes words just escape me.....they really do

Me?

Catch 22 and a bit. I can't reply in PM, i can't circumvent that, i've just posted again? I'm ignorant if i don't respond to your point. Having posted, i may as well answer No, I don't. I've responded to people.

You raised the issue. What's your problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I dont know of anyone that has never shed a tear over their mother passing. You must be soulless."

I didn't either! Never forgave my mother for saying it served me right my son had died: I shouldn't have turned my back on God.

My four sisters didn't shed a tear either: they had their own nugget of joy passed on from her to keep the tears in abeyance!

You may have had a loving, caring mother: don't ever assume everyone else did!

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By *isscheekychops OP Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I think this has run it's course now.

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