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"The three people responsible were shouting 'This is for Allah'. Words fail me." What does Allah mean ? | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ?" It was being said, according to witnesses at the time | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God'" Muslim isn't a language. | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time " I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. " Ok, splitting hairs aside, it is in the Muslim faith, so their language follows suit. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. " Not yet. | |||
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"Irony is that if Allah is real they have committed the biggest insult by assuming to speak for God whom I'm sure is big enough to speak for its self . Its the height of arrogance to assume you know the mind of someone else. So claiming to know the mind and wisdom of a supreme being is basically a huge error. If God wants people dead he/she they can do it for themselves. " Might be a part of the brain washing. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Ok, splitting hairs aside, it is in the Muslim faith, so their language follows suit." Arabic-speakers of several faiths, including CHRISTIANS and JEWS, use the word "Allah" It means God. | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... " How do you know categorically the man had just cone from a pub? The area was very busy, both on the bridge and in Borough Market with plenty of people out and about. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. " So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? | |||
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"We should... Pray Light a candle Hold a vigil Do a community march -break out into 'imagine' by John Lennon. That'll stop em! "Oh now Chris.... tsk. | |||
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"We should... Pray Light a candle Hold a vigil Do a community march -break out into 'imagine' by John Lennon. That'll stop em! "You forgot "get a tattoo". | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... How do you know categorically the man had just cone from a pub? The area was very busy, both on the bridge and in Borough Market with plenty of people out and about." BOOM.. I don't do I. That's what he said tho. So let me correct myself. A man who SAID he had just come from a pub CLAIMED to have seen the attackers and SAID ( though it's not substantiated ) that 'they' were shouting , 'This is for Allah.' .... | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? " Muslims | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... How do you know categorically the man had just cone from a pub? The area was very busy, both on the bridge and in Borough Market with plenty of people out and about." there is a video interview of an eyewitness, one of many, stating they stabbed a girl over 10 times in front of others in the pub , shouting 'this is for allah'..no idea why you think someone would make that up when it could be easily contradicted by other witnesses..there will be hundreds of witness statements coming out as well as footage.. | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... " I think that's a bit naive, and insulting to a guy who ran after the 3 losers trying to warn people. This after witnessing them stabbing a young woman 10-15 times in front of him. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? Muslims" do you think islam is a nationality? do you think muslims speak muslim? seriously? i really don't think stupid remarks like that help right now | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... How do you know categorically the man had just cone from a pub? The area was very busy, both on the bridge and in Borough Market with plenty of people out and about. there is a video interview of an eyewitness, one of many, stating they stabbed a girl over 10 times in front of others in the pub , shouting 'this is for allah'..no idea why you think someone would make that up when it could be easily contradicted by other witnesses..there will be hundreds of witness statements coming out as well as footage.." I haven't said anyone made it up. That's your assumption | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? " Let's draw a line here. The terrorists were quoted as saying what the said. They acted in their own way, spoke in their own way and mentioned the word Allah and why. Let us not forget the victims, those who were killed, wounded and traumatised; not quibbling over a language and its use. | |||
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"Im proud of our met police this am. Within 8 mins of the calls the 3 terrorists where shot dead. That is something that needs celebrating. Love 1 hate 0. Yes people have died. Yes people are hurt. But last night we prevailed. Don't be angry. Don't be scared. Be proud! PTU xxx" | |||
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"These people were mad-men, and they weren't speaking for Muslims. It's Ramadan; Muslims are in mosques, praying. They were with their families, eating and praying after a long day of fasting. We should remember that these people do not represent Muslims any more than the KKK represents all Christians." | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... How do you know categorically the man had just cone from a pub? The area was very busy, both on the bridge and in Borough Market with plenty of people out and about. there is a video interview of an eyewitness, one of many, stating they stabbed a girl over 10 times in front of others in the pub , shouting 'this is for allah'..no idea why you think someone would make that up when it could be easily contradicted by other witnesses..there will be hundreds of witness statements coming out as well as footage.." There will probably be more 'eyewitnesses' then there were people who were actually there. Some like to big up their involvement in something, they were half a mile away but they saw and heard it all. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Ok, splitting hairs aside, it is in the Muslim faith, so their language follows suit. Arabic-speakers of several faiths, including CHRISTIANS and JEWS, use the word "Allah" It means God. " So why ask what it means then? The guy saying he heard them say it sounds credible, he threw bottles and chairs at the attackers as they repeatedly stabbed a young girl and then followed them and guided police to their location, sounds like he was in a good position to hear what they were saying to me. Why try and defend the indefensible. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? Let's draw a line here. The terrorists were quoted as saying what the said. They acted in their own way, spoke in their own way and mentioned the word Allah and why. Let us not forget the victims, those who were killed, wounded and traumatised; not quibbling over a language and its use." Yes. Let's. Except incorrect use of language leads to assumption , hatred and incorrect accusations. I'd prefer to focus on the injured and dead instead of attacking fucking mist. The bottom line is that we don't know yet who did what. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? Let's draw a line here. The terrorists were quoted as saying what the said. They acted in their own way, spoke in their own way and mentioned the word Allah and why. Let us not forget the victims, those who were killed, wounded and traumatised; not quibbling over a language and its use." | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? Let's draw a line here. The terrorists were quoted as saying what the said. They acted in their own way, spoke in their own way and mentioned the word Allah and why. Let us not forget the victims, those who were killed, wounded and traumatised; not quibbling over a language and its use. "I'd choose logic and truth over sentiment any day. Keeps us as one and that keeps us safer. There's a lot of attempt to divide and point fingers on this thread. | |||
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"These people were mad-men, and they weren't speaking for Muslims. It's Ramadan; Muslims are in mosques, praying. They were with their families, eating and praying after a long day of fasting. We should remember that these people do not represent Muslims any more than the KKK represents all Christians." | |||
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"These people were mad-men, and they weren't speaking for Muslims. It's Ramadan; Muslims are in mosques, praying. They were with their families, eating and praying after a long day of fasting. We should remember that these people do not represent Muslims any more than the KKK represents all Christians." this.. | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Ok, splitting hairs aside, it is in the Muslim faith, so their language follows suit. Arabic-speakers of several faiths, including CHRISTIANS and JEWS, use the word "Allah" It means God. So why ask what it means then? The guy saying he heard them say it sounds credible, he threw bottles and chairs at the attackers as they repeatedly stabbed a young girl and then followed them and guided police to their location, sounds like he was in a good position to hear what they were saying to me. Why try and defend the indefensible. " I haven't tried to defend anything. I asked what Allah means. Do try to accuse me only of what I have done. | |||
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"We should... Pray Light a candle Hold a vigil Do a community march -break out into 'imagine' by John Lennon. That'll stop em!
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? Let's draw a line here. The terrorists were quoted as saying what the said. They acted in their own way, spoke in their own way and mentioned the word Allah and why. Let us not forget the victims, those who were killed, wounded and traumatised; not quibbling over a language and its use. Yes. Let's. Except incorrect use of language leads to assumption , hatred and incorrect accusations. I'd prefer to focus on the injured and dead instead of attacking fucking mist. The bottom line is that we don't know yet who did what. " The bottom line is that people did hear what WAS said and who witnessed directly! | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Not yet. So we are all going to speak Muslim ? Even tho there is no such language. Who is going to create this language ? Let's draw a line here. The terrorists were quoted as saying what the said. They acted in their own way, spoke in their own way and mentioned the word Allah and why. Let us not forget the victims, those who were killed, wounded and traumatised; not quibbling over a language and its use. Yes. Let's. Except incorrect use of language leads to assumption , hatred and incorrect accusations. I'd prefer to focus on the injured and dead instead of attacking fucking mist. The bottom line is that we don't know yet who did what. The bottom line is that people did hear what WAS said and who witnessed directly!" | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader " Learn something other than phrases and platitudes.... | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader " Personally, I think Granny Crumpet is challenging people to be moderated in their flinging around of info and remind people that not escalating information is important (if not as thrilling for those wanting to voice their outrage, and I am as outraged by the attack) -- there is nothing she has posted that has not demonstrated having her eyes open, she also has her brain switched on and is thinking before speaking. | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader " Oh, the irony! If Granny was trying to be a crusader, historically she'd be trying to wipe out Islam. You might want to think before you choose your insults; we're SJW Libtard Islam apologists. | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader " History not your strong point then..?  | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader History not your strong point then..? "
That is the most unintentionally funny post on here. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. " Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks "I think granny is just being devil's advocate. | |||
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"It is political correctness gone mad, we all knew who it was. " what is political correctness in this thread? | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader History not your strong point then..?
That is the most unintentionally funny post on here."
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Granny on her charger trotting across the desert.. 
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks "agreed but thankfully they are often in the minority.. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks "I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness. "As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc.  | |||
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"So in the cold light of day, we know the three Muslim men drove a van at speed into innocent people walking across London bridge, they then went on to stab a number of people who were out enjoying the nice evening.. It is likely the men came from East London when they headed into London and witnesses have stated they shouted "this is for Allah" or similar.. No one has said they had an accent, so I assume they are local to London... So what next? Do we end up with vigilante gangs roaming the streets of of our cities? Will the latest incarnation of the black shirts be walking to parliament with banners "we told you so"? Will Enoch Powell's speech, "rivers of blood " be broadcast as a call to battle? I fear for the fallout of this latest event... The insidious rise of radicalisation of the youth, not just those of the Muslim faith, but non-Muslim, those that have never had an interest in any faith in their past, goes to show the level of mentality of these sick individuals.. Perhaps they do suffer with a psychological problem that predisposes them to be an easy target for radicalisation.. So how do we stop radicalisation in the first place? There in lies the million dollar question, but one starting point is social media.. the suppliers, google, WhatsApp,etc. have a moral responsibility to assist the security services.. WhatsApp has a level of inscription that makes it almost impossible to penetrate... Why???? I have no problem with the security services listening or reading what I put online, but then I am not planning on doing anything illegal.. The truth is we shouldn't be afraid of being watched by "big brother" "what about my civil liberties! " I hear you cry....Well, what about the civil liberties of those that dies last night, surely they outweigh the liberty to a private conversation about your hemerroids or what you are having for dinner... I'm now going to step off my soap box.. I thank you for listening.. " Has it been established, beyond any doubt AND reported by a 'trustworthy' (if there are any left) source that the three attackers shot this morning were Muslim ? | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc. "You playing troll for this one then?  | |||
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"WhatsApp has a level of encryption that makes it almost impossible to penetrate... Why???" Because encryption that can be penetrated isn't encryption. In general I've agreed with your posts before. This though, this is short-sighted at best. Are you really calling for government backdoors into encryption technologies? You can't think of a single scenario wherein you would like to keep your private information private? Or a single case of someone in power abusing their power? What happened in London is terrible but undermining all our security technologies is far, far worse. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc. "Stop out D.A.ing me. | |||
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"How do you know they shouted that ? It was being said, according to witnesses at the time I saw it on the B.B.C. Was he a reliable witness ? That man who had come from a pub ? When exactly did he see or hear them ? I found that bit difficult to comprehend. So can we just leave it as 'some bloke said they were shouting Allah' ...... How do you know categorically the man had just cone from a pub? The area was very busy, both on the bridge and in Borough Market with plenty of people out and about. BOOM.. I don't do I. That's what he said tho. So let me correct myself. A man who SAID he had just come from a pub CLAIMED to have seen the attackers and SAID ( though it's not substantiated ) that 'they' were shouting , 'This is for Allah.' .... " No one mentioned a pub until you | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc.
You playing troll for this one then? "Do i ever play anything but? | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness. "Hate fuelled or anger fuelled.. I would say it's the latter and we prefer to call it outrage... | |||
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"Irony is that if Allah is real they have committed the biggest insult by assuming to speak for God whom I'm sure is big enough to speak for its self . Its the height of arrogance to assume you know the mind of someone else. Well said So claiming to know the mind and wisdom of a supreme being is basically a huge error. If God wants people dead he/she they can do it for themselves. " | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc. "I know you well enough Clem to know you are joking. However, given the level of idiocy of some posters I'd ask that you don't confuse them and have them think I disagree with Granny Crumpet and not them. I'm not sure they'd be able to comprehend sarcasm. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I think granny is just being devil's advocate."I wasn't referring to granny's posts | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc.
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc.
You playing troll for this one then?
Do i ever play anything but?"True. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I think granny is just being devil's advocate.
I wasn't referring to granny's posts" dance puppet.... | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Hate fuelled or anger fuelled..
I would say it's the latter and we prefer to call it outrage... "I'm sorry -- we? You also believe all Muslims are evil BN? You disappoint me. | |||
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"These people were mad-men, and they weren't speaking for Muslims. It's Ramadan; Muslims are in mosques, praying. They were with their families, eating and praying after a long day of fasting. We should remember that these people do not represent Muslims any more than the KKK represents all Christians." | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness. "Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post... surely everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to voice and debate it. Some opinions are base and insulting but you lower yourself insulting their opinion. Better to make salient points that undermine their arguement and move on. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc.
I know you well enough Clem to know you are joking. However, given the level of idiocy of some posters I'd ask that you don't confuse them and have them think I disagree with Granny Crumpet and not them. I'm not sure they'd be able to comprehend sarcasm."I'm on the loo. | |||
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"Can anyone please tell me of any religion that advocates murdering innocent people? None that I know of but happy to be told otherwise." It really rather depends on what the nut job considers to be innocent doesn't it.... | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post... surely everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to voice and debate it.
Some opinions are base and insulting but you lower yourself insulting their opinion.
Better to make salient points that undermine their arguement and move on.
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"I think the British population is fucked in the head anyway. People seem more concerned with virtue signalling than expressing any genuine concern for the situation we no find ourselves in. Its a form of narcissism where people are so gakked up on the steady diet of indoctrination that they cant even see straight. Terrorism? Nah let me remind people of how much of a "good" white person I am by telling people how terrible it is to have any kind of genuine concern about radical elements of a religion which refuses to integrate with western society. And thats where the fallout of this stuff really happens. Its not in the grand plots like this but in everyday life. Increasingly segregated communities and the lack of cohesion. At this point things deserve to get ugly." | |||
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"I think the British population is fucked in the head anyway. People seem more concerned with virtue signalling than expressing any genuine concern for the situation we no find ourselves in. Its a form of narcissism where people are so gakked up on the steady diet of indoctrination that they cant even see straight. Terrorism? Nah let me remind people of how much of a "good" white person I am by telling people how terrible it is to have any kind of genuine concern about radical elements of a religion which refuses to integrate with western society. And thats where the fallout of this stuff really happens. Its not in the grand plots like this but in everyday life. Increasingly segregated communities and the lack of cohesion. At this point things deserve to get ugly." There's truth in that. And in expressing outrage, whichever way your outrage lies. Doesn't mean everyone has to agree though. You're conforming to your own version of virtue signalling. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
As i said above, i believe granny is simply playing devil's advocate, there's no need to call her small minded etc.
I know you well enough Clem to know you are joking. However, given the level of idiocy of some posters I'd ask that you don't confuse them and have them think I disagree with Granny Crumpet and not them. I'm not sure they'd be able to comprehend sarcasm.
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" Blessed are the cheese makers! As a non regular poster on the forums, can I just say that you come across as one of the most obnoxious, David Brent-esque, petty little small men I've had the misfortune to read. Right from your differention of the IRA from Islamic radicals because they "fought for a free ireland" to this - your latest lame attempt at humour. I guess you're well known here on the forums and have a retinue of arse licking accolytes following your every word, but I just wanted to reiterate that in my opinion you're the type of asshole everyone avoids in the pub. Have a good day xx" Your mum liked me. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Hate fuelled or anger fuelled..
I would say it's the latter and we prefer to call it outrage...
I'm sorry -- we? You also believe all Muslims are evil BN? You disappoint me. "No, I believe that certain humans are evil and I have bore witness to that when I served in the forces. I also believe that the Muslim community does very little to prevent the radicalisation, they are ashamed of it and hide it, very similar to the way the Catholic Church hid the sick acts of some priests... I am also disappointed that in the streets of Bow and mile end, posters are pasted to windows of empty shops with the slogan "Britain needs Shariah law" and "let's make Britain Muslim"... Really... is this acceptable? I don't see any people defacing these posters, I don't see any signs in the food shops around the east London Mosque, serving the faithful as they leave prayer stating anything close to "not in the name of my god" or "radicalisation is wrong.. Report it"... Perhaps it's too late to be ashamed about the radical clerics that are freely allowed to preach hatred.. Those that post sickening videos of innocent people having their throats cut.. It's a problem that can only be resolved from within the Muslim community and I'm sorry, but I just do mot see enough action from that community denouncing these acts of terror against innocent people.. It's time for the leaders of the Muslim religion across the world, to stand united and say enough is enough.. Not in the name of my god.... But they won't.. They can't even decide between themselves which version of the religioun is correct and so resort to violence to resolve that argument.. I'm sorry if I sound jaded, but religion is rubbish, there is no supreme being.. it's just a belief that you should use as an example of how to lead a peaceful life... It's not worth dieing for and it definitely doesn't require acts of murder.. We all know the crusades were wrong but that was almost a thousand years ago that started.. Let's not end up back there because I would never take up arms in the name of religion, and nor should anyone else.. The sad fact is that you give a man a reason to fight and he will... | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post... surely everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to voice and debate it.
Some opinions are base and insulting but you lower yourself insulting their opinion.
Better to make salient points that undermine their arguement and move on.
Well, I think you've kind of undermined your own point. I've not said they can't post, have I? I've simply stated, clearly, my opinion. Or are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to? And I'm entitled to decide if I'd like to express that in terms of a discussion or a statement. Today I chose a statement. Thank you for expressing your opinion. Excuse me if I choose to ignore the perhaps unintended condescension of it. "Slow your roll... am simply saying you views are as small minded to them as theirs are to you. Am just saying you undermine your position when you insult people that degenerates the debate... it's not personal. But you seem really aggressive in your approach and your looking for fight. Ive not said you cant post... actually the opposite. But your looking admonishment (in my post) that isn't there. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Hate fuelled or anger fuelled..
I would say it's the latter and we prefer to call it outrage...
I'm sorry -- we? You also believe all Muslims are evil BN? You disappoint me.
No, I believe that certain humans are evil and I have bore witness to that when I served in the forces.
I also believe that the Muslim community does very little to prevent the radicalisation, they are ashamed of it and hide it, very similar to the way the Catholic Church hid the sick acts of some priests...
I am also disappointed that in the streets of Bow and mile end, posters are pasted to windows of empty shops with the slogan "Britain needs Shariah law" and "let's make Britain Muslim"...
Really... is this acceptable? I don't see any people defacing these posters, I don't see any signs in the food shops around the east London Mosque, serving the faithful as they leave prayer stating anything close to "not in the name of my god" or "radicalisation is wrong.. Report it"...
Perhaps it's too late to be ashamed about the radical clerics that are freely allowed to preach hatred.. Those that post sickening videos of innocent people having their throats cut..
It's a problem that can only be resolved from within the Muslim community and I'm sorry, but I just do mot see enough action from that community denouncing these acts of terror against innocent people..
It's time for the leaders of the Muslim religion across the world, to stand united and say enough is enough.. Not in the name of my god....
But they won't..
They can't even decide between themselves which version of the religioun is correct and so resort to violence to resolve that argument..
I'm sorry if I sound jaded, but religion is rubbish, there is no supreme being.. it's just a belief that you should use as an example of how to lead a peaceful life...
It's not worth dieing for and it definitely doesn't require acts of murder..
We all know the crusades were wrong but that was almost a thousand years ago that started.. Let's not end up back there because I would never take up arms in the name of religion, and nor should anyone else..
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post... surely everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to voice and debate it.
Some opinions are base and insulting but you lower yourself insulting their opinion.
Better to make salient points that undermine their arguement and move on.
Well, I think you've kind of undermined your own point. I've not said they can't post, have I? I've simply stated, clearly, my opinion. Or are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to? And I'm entitled to decide if I'd like to express that in terms of a discussion or a statement. Today I chose a statement. Thank you for expressing your opinion. Excuse me if I choose to ignore the perhaps unintended condescension of it.
Slow your roll... am simply saying you views are as small minded to them as theirs are to you. Am just saying you undermine your position when you insult people that degenerates the debate... it's not personal.
But you seem really aggressive in your approach and your looking for fight. Ive not said you cant post... actually the opposite. But your looking admonishment (in my post) that isn't there. "Again, you're perhaps assuming and thus putting emotion and intent into my post rather than asking me. I'm not feeling aggressive, or looking for a fight. I'm vehemently stating my opinion. I am not looking for admonishment in your post, I'm alerting you to the fact that it came across as condescending and I acknowledged that may not have been your intent, and you clarified now it was not -- thank you. It felt like it regardless, on the receiving end in the same way my post felt aggressive to you -- and I apologise if that was how you received it despite it not being my intent. And yes, my comment was not to those outraged at the attack and questioning how we solve the times we find ourselves in -- it's to those making the sweeping, inaccurate generalisations about an entire people -- the posts have been deleted, you may not be aware of that. I chose to make a statement of my view. They did too. You have made yours. But I refute the implication that I'm not aware of debate and how to, the statements posted and now deleted were not ones I wanted to debate -- I wanted to simply, and strongly, oppose them. | |||
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"Just because you are or are not surrounded my those of different faiths cultures and ethnicty it does not give you the right to n twattish at times like these. We are all in the same country, therefore in some way affected. If you have no idea what you are talking about then just keep quiet "Actually it does. I would NEVER take the opinion of someone seriously if they go out of their way to ensure they're never around the minority groups or religions they love to claim they're "protecting". What blows my mind is the sheer audacity and arrogance of those who like to preach their lefty mantra of nonsense. All while knowing they ensure they're as far away from the problem as they possibly can be. | |||
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"Just because you are or are not surrounded my those of different faiths cultures and ethnicty it does not give you the right to n twattish at times like these. We are all in the same country, therefore in some way affected. If you have no idea what you are talking about then just keep quiet
Actually it does. I would NEVER take the opinion of someone seriously if they go out of their way to ensure they're never around the minority groups or religions they love to claim they're "protecting".
What blows my mind is the sheer audacity and arrogance of those who like to preach their lefty mantra of nonsense. All while knowing they ensure they're as far away from the problem as they possibly can be. "And you know my life well enough to make that accusation of me? You do realise that's an assumption, don't you? That's why I'm disappointed in your postulating. I'm happy to discuss elements of points you make that have sense but not when your intent looks to be just to assume things and troll on that "evidence", it undermines you. It's a shame. | |||
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" Feeling concern for both those affected by the incident and for those affected from the increased Islamophobia that can arise from such incidents, is not mutually exclusive. " Unfortunately this is far too complicated for some people to understand, apparently. Someone says 'let's not turn on innocent Muslims' and they hear 'I love ISIS', or something. | |||
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"Just because you are or are not surrounded my those of different faiths cultures and ethnicty it does not give you the right to n twattish at times like these. We are all in the same country, therefore in some way affected. If you have no idea what you are talking about then just keep quiet
Actually it does. I would NEVER take the opinion of someone seriously if they go out of their way to ensure they're never around the minority groups or religions they love to claim they're "protecting".
What blows my mind is the sheer audacity and arrogance of those who like to preach their lefty mantra of nonsense. All while knowing they ensure they're as far away from the problem as they possibly can be. "Sure. You know the personal background of anyone here that has an opposing view to yours Right on | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post... surely everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to voice and debate it.
Some opinions are base and insulting but you lower yourself insulting their opinion.
Better to make salient points that undermine their arguement and move on.
Well, I think you've kind of undermined your own point. I've not said they can't post, have I? I've simply stated, clearly, my opinion. Or are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to? And I'm entitled to decide if I'd like to express that in terms of a discussion or a statement. Today I chose a statement. Thank you for expressing your opinion. Excuse me if I choose to ignore the perhaps unintended condescension of it.
Slow your roll... am simply saying you views are as small minded to them as theirs are to you. Am just saying you undermine your position when you insult people that degenerates the debate... it's not personal.
But you seem really aggressive in your approach and your looking for fight. Ive not said you cant post... actually the opposite. But your looking admonishment (in my post) that isn't there.
Again, you're perhaps assuming and thus putting emotion and intent into my post rather than asking me. I'm not feeling aggressive, or looking for a fight. I'm vehemently stating my opinion. I am not looking for admonishment in your post, I'm alerting you to the fact that it came across as condescending and I acknowledged that may not have been your intent, and you clarified now it was not -- thank you. It felt like it regardless, on the receiving end in the same way my post felt aggressive to you -- and I apologise if that was how you received it despite it not being my intent. And yes, my comment was not to those outraged at the attack and questioning how we solve the times we find ourselves in -- it's to those making the sweeping, inaccurate generalisations about an entire people -- the posts have been deleted, you may not be aware of that. I chose to make a statement of my view. They did too. You have made yours. But I refute the implication that I'm not aware of debate and how to, the statements posted and now deleted were not ones I wanted to debate -- I wanted to simply, and strongly, oppose them. "I know hun. But i still believe you were being agressive and now condescending. But you know what it's ok your just passionate. What is there to refute about the debate? You vehemently and strongly opposed someone, thats totally fine and laudable. However the insults are incendiary - but you know that. Essentially, insults degenerate the debate. Surely you agree? | |||
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" Feeling concern for both those affected by the incident and for those affected from the increased Islamophobia that can arise from such incidents, is not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately this is far too complicated for some people to understand, apparently. Someone says 'let's not turn on innocent Muslims' and they hear 'I love ISIS', or something. " I often think it's actually, sadly, someone wanting to just troll and cause upset at people by making sweeping statements or assumptions of others rather than even believing their own points, not always I'll warrant, but sometimes it's the "thrill" of having a to-fro with someone. But yes, the inability of some to not clarify if they don't understand someone's point, or the arrogance in assuming they do understand it, and jump to unintended conclusions is staggering too. | |||
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"So many opinions, so little thought. Sometimes the reactions to such atrocities sickens me as much as the people that carry out the attacks
I agree. The fact that some people take it to give them license to spout ignorant, hate-fuelled, reprehensible bullshit and actually get their kicks in doing so. Shame on them. Shame on the posters on this thread showing their small mindedness.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your post... surely everyone has an opinion and they should be allowed to voice and debate it.
Some opinions are base and insulting but you lower yourself insulting their opinion.
Better to make salient points that undermine their arguement and move on.
Well, I think you've kind of undermined your own point. I've not said they can't post, have I? I've simply stated, clearly, my opinion. Or are you suggesting that I'm not allowed to? And I'm entitled to decide if I'd like to express that in terms of a discussion or a statement. Today I chose a statement. Thank you for expressing your opinion. Excuse me if I choose to ignore the perhaps unintended condescension of it.
Slow your roll... am simply saying you views are as small minded to them as theirs are to you. Am just saying you undermine your position when you insult people that degenerates the debate... it's not personal.
But you seem really aggressive in your approach and your looking for fight. Ive not said you cant post... actually the opposite. But your looking admonishment (in my post) that isn't there.
Again, you're perhaps assuming and thus putting emotion and intent into my post rather than asking me. I'm not feeling aggressive, or looking for a fight. I'm vehemently stating my opinion. I am not looking for admonishment in your post, I'm alerting you to the fact that it came across as condescending and I acknowledged that may not have been your intent, and you clarified now it was not -- thank you. It felt like it regardless, on the receiving end in the same way my post felt aggressive to you -- and I apologise if that was how you received it despite it not being my intent. And yes, my comment was not to those outraged at the attack and questioning how we solve the times we find ourselves in -- it's to those making the sweeping, inaccurate generalisations about an entire people -- the posts have been deleted, you may not be aware of that. I chose to make a statement of my view. They did too. You have made yours. But I refute the implication that I'm not aware of debate and how to, the statements posted and now deleted were not ones I wanted to debate -- I wanted to simply, and strongly, oppose them.
I know hun. But i still believe you were being agressive and now condescending. But you know what it's ok your just passionate.
What is there to refute about the debate? You vehemently and strongly opposed someone, thats totally fine and laudable. However the insults are incendiary - but you know that.
Essentially, insults degenerate the debate.
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"These people were mad-men, and they weren't speaking for Muslims. It's Ramadan; Muslims are in mosques, praying. They were with their families, eating and praying after a long day of fasting. We should remember that these people do not represent Muslims any more than the KKK represents all Christians." | |||
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"I am also disappointed that in the streets of Bow and mile end, posters are pasted to windows of empty shops with the slogan "Britain needs Shariah law" and "let's make Britain Muslim"..." At least it is not as bad as it is in sweden yet, where there already is sharia law. | |||
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"Let's face it they don't exactly recruit the brightest and the best. They attract those with criminal records who have never made it big in the drugs trade. People with mental illnesses and those with predispositions to sadistic or pedophilic tendencies. Ie those wanting child brides. Etc. Muslim extremism is the last bastion for the hopeless and useless. Its not like they even need to study their religion. Dealt drugs, fucked up yours and others lives. Go kill and shout Allah and get on the express train to God. No need to repent and make amends for your previous errors. Very simple and appealing message to those with little hope or little left to achieve in Life." I'm uncomfortable with the potential for an extrapolation of this post reading (and I'm certainly not saying it was your intent) that anyone with a mental health difficulty is one of the hopeless or useless, or that someone with a criminal conviction cannot turn their life around etc, so just gently countering anyone that might. | |||
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"Let's face it they don't exactly recruit the brightest and the best. They attract those with criminal records who have never made it big in the drugs trade. People with mental illnesses and those with predispositions to sadistic or pedophilic tendencies. Ie those wanting child brides. Etc. Muslim extremism is the last bastion for the hopeless and useless. Its not like they even need to study their religion. Dealt drugs, fucked up yours and others lives. Go kill and shout Allah and get on the express train to God. No need to repent and make amends for your previous errors. Very simple and appealing message to those with little hope or little left to achieve in Life." | |||
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"These people were mad-men, and they weren't speaking for Muslims. It's Ramadan; Muslims are in mosques, praying. They were with their families, eating and praying after a long day of fasting. We should remember that these people do not represent Muslims any more than the KKK represents all Christians." Preach. Also a lot of people don't know. That even in their Islamic legislation, any sort of warfare is considered prohibited. So these assholes don't even know their own religion. The other 50 people died in Iraq in suicide bomb attack. Dame in Kabul. All by these dumb asses who are killing innocent in the month which is most sacred to their religion. | |||
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"Let's face it they don't exactly recruit the brightest and the best. They attract those with criminal records who have never made it big in the drugs trade. People with mental illnesses and those with predispositions to sadistic or pedophilic tendencies. Ie those wanting child brides. Etc. Muslim extremism is the last bastion for the hopeless and useless. Its not like they even need to study their religion. Dealt drugs, fucked up yours and others lives. Go kill and shout Allah and get on the express train to God. No need to repent and make amends for your previous errors. Very simple and appealing message to those with little hope or little left to achieve in Life. I'm uncomfortable with the potential for an extrapolation of this post reading (and I'm certainly not saying it was your intent) that anyone with a mental health difficulty is one of the hopeless or useless, or that someone with a criminal conviction cannot turn their life around etc, so just gently countering anyone that might. "Everyone can interpret as they see it. I have written what I have written | |||
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"Let's face it they don't exactly recruit the brightest and the best. They attract those with criminal records who have never made it big in the drugs trade. People with mental illnesses and those with predispositions to sadistic or pedophilic tendencies. Ie those wanting child brides. Etc. Muslim extremism is the last bastion for the hopeless and useless. Its not like they even need to study their religion. Dealt drugs, fucked up yours and others lives. Go kill and shout Allah and get on the express train to God. No need to repent and make amends for your previous errors. Very simple and appealing message to those with little hope or little left to achieve in Life. I'm uncomfortable with the potential for an extrapolation of this post reading (and I'm certainly not saying it was your intent) that anyone with a mental health difficulty is one of the hopeless or useless, or that someone with a criminal conviction cannot turn their life around etc, so just gently countering anyone that might.
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" Essentially, insults degenerate the debate. Surely you agree? I'm not your hun. I think we can agree to disagree. I don't think you're following my point, and you're stating you think I'm lying about my intent. That's your prerogative, but saddens me. " The only sad thing is your inability to be progressive in your view. It's your way or the high way. It's unnecessarily polarising. It's of note that your unable to acknowledge that fundamentally insults degenerate debate - because that would be admitting you failed in your debate. That saddens me. 
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" Essentially, insults degenerate the debate. Surely you agree? I'm not your hun. I think we can agree to disagree. I don't think you're following my point, and you're stating you think I'm lying about my intent. That's your prerogative, but saddens me. The only sad thing is your inability to be progressive in your view. It's your way or the high way. It's unnecessarily polarising. It's of note that your unable to acknowledge that fundamentally insults degenerate debate - because that would be admitting you failed in your debate. That saddens me.
But let's agree to disagree "I didn't agree or disagree with it because it wasn't the discussion I was responding to, and not the intent of my original post. Not responding to a question is not providing an answer but you putting an answer in my mouth again by assumption is done as it suits your narrative and your inability perhaps of recognising my point. I can own my intent, my point and even where you misinterpret it if it has upset you. You cite a failure in debate, and again miss the point that my original post was not to debate, even when I clearly explained that to you. You're very confused. *shrugs* | |||
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"This shit is getting out of hand we need more arrests or something proactive before it leads such incidents "We need more passive aggressives lol | |||
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so feisty, quick comebacks & stands their ground!! Top marks.
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"Can i just say the more I read the comments on this thread, the more I'm attracted to a certain someone so feisty, quick comebacks & stands their ground!! Top marks.
Carry on as u were folks"Ooooh who? | |||
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Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl "Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator? | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
"No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
"Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed. If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it. | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it. "so u in a forgiving mood yet | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it. "Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate. The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this. And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly - absurd. Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)... I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes? | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
"I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine. | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine. "No, you're more of a footnote. An incorrectly referenced one... | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine.
No, you're more of a footnote.
An incorrectly referenced one...
"Still flaming.... ....incorrect on my initial point given you never saw the posts. The amusing point being you agreed with my sentiment (as per your first post) just keen to start an argument on the misinterpretation you've ascribed to my post. I'm beginning to wonder if there's some prior hurt there, Chris -- and then it dawned on me. It's much clearer now. I'm sorry I'd forgotten! | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine.
No, you're more of a footnote.
An incorrectly referenced one...
Still flaming....
....incorrect on my initial point given you never saw the posts. The amusing point being you agreed with my sentiment (as per your first post) just keen to start an argument on the misinterpretation you've ascribed to my post. I'm beginning to wonder if there's some prior hurt there, Chris -- and then it dawned on me. It's much clearer now. I'm sorry I'd forgotten! "Pro tip: For prior hurt see... "I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion." Wanna talk about it hun? | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine.
No, you're more of a footnote.
An incorrectly referenced one...
Still flaming....
....incorrect on my initial point given you never saw the posts. The amusing point being you agreed with my sentiment (as per your first post) just keen to start an argument on the misinterpretation you've ascribed to my post. I'm beginning to wonder if there's some prior hurt there, Chris -- and then it dawned on me. It's much clearer now. I'm sorry I'd forgotten!
Pro tip: For prior hurt see...
"I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion."
Wanna talk about it hun? "That post you've just quoted wasn't addressed to you. It was to the other poster, who popped in after being upset with me and we've sorted that out. Unless you *did* feel emasculated too? Sorry I should have clarified who that post was too -- thought it was obvious but my mistake. Nah, that's not what's just dawned on me -- I'm wondering if my failure to reply to you was an issue...I was interested in the Dutch study, just forgot to reply. | |||
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"Bit of a tangent but did anyone see the young couple interviewed about what they witnessed from their flat ? No, not yet. What did they say they witnessed? They saw much but that wouldn't be what I wanted to ask about. If you didn't see it I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'll wait and see if anyone did." I'll check it out now. | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine.
No, you're more of a footnote.
An incorrectly referenced one...
Still flaming....
....incorrect on my initial point given you never saw the posts. The amusing point being you agreed with my sentiment (as per your first post) just keen to start an argument on the misinterpretation you've ascribed to my post. I'm beginning to wonder if there's some prior hurt there, Chris -- and then it dawned on me. It's much clearer now. I'm sorry I'd forgotten!
Pro tip: For prior hurt see...
"I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion."
Wanna talk about it hun?
That post you've just quoted wasn't addressed to you. It was to the other poster, who popped in after being upset with me and we've sorted that out. Unless you *did* feel emasculated too? Sorry I should have clarified who that post was too -- thought it was obvious but my mistake.
Nah, that's not what's just dawned on me -- I'm wondering if my failure to reply to you was an issue...I was interested in the Dutch study, just forgot to reply. "Heaven's no. Thats you! Ah, I thought may be of interest, I still do. But again, there we go looking for things that are just not there. The assistance was real (dutch), the assistance here was real, the differing opinion was real. But you only see prejudice in it. Ah well | |||
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"It was someone using the word 'emasculate' that made me think of it." The couple who end talking about the bomb robot and about a bang in the slug and lettuce? I'm not following your point, happy to be enlightened here or PM, if you wish or have time. | |||
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"*sighs* I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion.
Lol, don't apologise for that!
Try apologising for the insults you threw at people with opposing views. Or maybe for avoiding reasonable questions such as...
Do you agree insults cause debates to degenerate?
Alternatively, just keep posting until there are no dissenting (or otherwise) voices.
You go gurl
Oh Chris! Did you read the posts on the thread that were removed by the moderator?
No hun they were removed. That means you can't read them as they're removed x
Yes. But my point is (as I had said earlier) my post was in response to those posts -- the ones you've now clarified you've not seen -- you joined as they were being removed, I assumed (my mistake) you'd read them because you didn't clarify otherwise when I explained my post was distinctly in response to them. Not to debate, to make a statement in direct opposition to the posts made. The posts were reprehensible, which is why they've been removed.
If I choose to debate I would do so. I do often here. You're attacking my choice to make a statement opposing a statement that was not in debate. And attacking me without the full picture, for the sake of a point you want to make that I don't disagree with, wasn't making (as explained to you) and didn't have to respond to. I'm really sorry you've felt the need to ramble on in such a misinformed way. I'm also sorry you are t able to respect my preference for not being called hun, as mentioned earlier but then I suspect that's why you chose to use it.
Nooooo ones attacking you hun. Your cage got rattled, you decided to use abusive terms to people. I simply suggested that won't help a debate.
The fact you feel the need to post an epic for each response suggests you know this.
And yet you choose to ignore it. But rather spectacularly - instead you place yourself as the victim in the scene, it is frankly -
absurd.
Now, as a means to an end. And in the spirit of your initial - agree to disagree post (which you appear to of neglected)...
I suggest you go paint your dainty hooves and I'll bench press stuff and play with drills. That should temper us both - yes?
I post epics because I am thus. I can be pithy too, and take the pith out of your own sanctimony. I own mine.
No, you're more of a footnote.
An incorrectly referenced one...
Still flaming....
....incorrect on my initial point given you never saw the posts. The amusing point being you agreed with my sentiment (as per your first post) just keen to start an argument on the misinterpretation you've ascribed to my post. I'm beginning to wonder if there's some prior hurt there, Chris -- and then it dawned on me. It's much clearer now. I'm sorry I'd forgotten!
Pro tip: For prior hurt see...
"I apologise for emasculating anyone by having an opinion."
Wanna talk about it hun?
That post you've just quoted wasn't addressed to you. It was to the other poster, who popped in after being upset with me and we've sorted that out. Unless you *did* feel emasculated too? Sorry I should have clarified who that post was too -- thought it was obvious but my mistake.
Nah, that's not what's just dawned on me -- I'm wondering if my failure to reply to you was an issue...I was interested in the Dutch study, just forgot to reply.
Heaven's no.
Thats you! Ah, I thought may be of interest, I still do.
But again, there we go looking for things that are just not there.
The assistance was real (dutch), the assistance here was real, the differing opinion was real. But you only see prejudice in it.
Ah well "But Chris I don't see prejudice, I was just clarifying what felt like a prejudging and a dismissal of my right to post. If that wasn't your intent, that's absolutely fine. If it was, that's fine too. I'm allowed to reply as much as I'm allowed to post a statement and not have to debate. You made your point in a way that disallows my point, or felt as if that was your intent, I don't disagree with you but agreeing with you doesn't negate my point either. And again, I asked if it was the issue, I didn't assume -- you've clarified it was unrelated, I accept that! | |||
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"I don't know which couple it was. I'll try to find out their names. Nice couple. Bright couple. He answered most of the questions and she looked at him like a kitten. Each time she tried to answer a question he spoke loudly over her and finished her points. And she let him ! I watched in amazement. " Nods. | |||
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"Granny crumpet... open ur fucking eyes and stop trying to be a crusader Oh, the irony! If Granny was trying to be a crusader, historically she'd be trying to wipe out Islam. You might want to think before you choose your insults; we're SJW Libtard Islam apologists." . Your actually misinformed, the crusades were multi faceted but never about wiping out islam!. A great deal of the fighting took place in Europe in places like Greece, Italy, Sicily, Spain. What started out as a rescue of Byzantine empire ended up as a re take of the holy land of the Levant!.. You'll notice that was a recapture of the holy land not a take from Muslim hands!. All this is irrelevant to almost everybody these days unless your a fucking whack job believer of course!. The two main religions of the world are the main ones because they inspire theyre followers into jihad and holy war, its not a coincidence that these two have billions of followers?. "We" in the West have managed to get past it, sadly the middle East, Africa and Asia hasn't for obvious reasons | |||
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"It is Muslim for, ' the one and only God' Muslim isn't a language. Ok, splitting hairs aside, it is in the Muslim faith, so their language follows suit. Arabic-speakers of several faiths, including CHRISTIANS and JEWS, use the word "Allah" It means God. So why ask what it means then? The guy saying he heard them say it sounds credible, he threw bottles and chairs at the attackers as they repeatedly stabbed a young girl and then followed them and guided police to their location, sounds like he was in a good position to hear what they were saying to me. Why try and defend the indefensible. " | |||
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