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"How sad that this has happened yet again 6 confirmed dead 30 injured ! We live in a very sad world I dread listening to the news these days " I'm so saddened, it's scary. If I could give my children or grandchildren any advice it would be to not have kids, as its not a world if want to grow up in. | |||
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"How sad that this has happened yet again 6 confirmed dead 30 injured ! We live in a very sad world I dread listening to the news these days I'm so saddened, it's scary. If I could give my children or grandchildren any advice it would be to not have kids, as its not a world if want to grow up in. " Same here I worry about my young grankids growing up in the world we live in | |||
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"It's getting scarey now to what world comming 2 children growing into this generation it shocking ." It's sickening and scary | |||
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"My thoughts are with the victims and their loved ones...so very sad...x" Totally agree. We downgraded our terrorist attack From severe to critical ! However our armed response shot dead 3 terrorist on a stabbing rampage | |||
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"Be Vigilant not Vigilantes Be Watchful not Prejedicial. Love to all affected. And remember;Don't let the bastards grind us down!" Great words !!! | |||
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"Be Vigilant not Vigilantes Be Watchful not Prejedicial. Love to all affected. And remember;Don't let the bastards grind us down!" | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again." Yes it's all to do with migration. Nothing to do with selling arms to the Saudis who then resell to Isis. Nothing to do with reducing police numbers. | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again." Far too late for that. Besides the establishment aren't bothered about you and I. | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. " At least there were political discussions that resolved those bad times. Cant see an end to this | |||
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"How sad that this has happened yet again 6 confirmed dead 30 injured ! We live in a very sad world I dread listening to the news these days I'm so saddened, it's scary. If I could give my children or grandchildren any advice it would be to not have kids, as its not a world if want to grow up in. " Exact reason me and my ex split. I said theres no way would i want kids growing up in to this world. Not just terror, but financially also. Having to save 25k to be able to buy a house etc. The world is fucked | |||
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"Enoch Powell was right.... " | |||
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"Enoch Powell was right.... " Sorry if i offfended your lefty views | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. " The IRA wanted a free Ireland. These losers want you, your family and your friends, dead. | |||
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"Enoch Powell was right.... Sorry if i offfended your lefty views " You haven't offended my views at all so no need to apologise I'm just taking a seat in this thread as sad as a topic as it is i feel the thread may end up going off topic and in to another 'bash em' sessions which are intresting to read | |||
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"Mourn the loss of the innocents, celebrate the removal of three more cowards " l'd have been disappointed if my taxes were keeping them alive. Hopefully death was slow. | |||
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"Sickening. My thoughys are with the families of all who have been caught up in this horrific incident. Gotta take my hat off to the police. Killed the bastards within 8 mins of the first call." | |||
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" i think the time mayhave arrived to arm ourselves " What's taken you so long? | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash " I think you'll find that the real victims are laying dead in a morgue, are laying injured in our hospitals and are sat wondering why their loved ones didn't come home last night and how they are going to carry on with their lives now they have been torn apart by evil. | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash " So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again." Once the details come out, it is highly likely that these men were British citizens who have lived here for years, not migrants. One thing I find odd though is that they had fake suicide vests on, I can't see ISIS sympathisers wearing fake vests!! | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! " Maybe poorly worded but someone who's assaulted just for being Muslim by some right wing nutcase is no less a victim than a Brit who was stabbed by one of last night's fanatics. | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. The IRA wanted a free Ireland. These losers want you, your family and your friends, dead." ^ Stop trying to make excuses or make them sound less pig like. The IRA just like Isis were cowardly cold blooded killers! | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! Maybe poorly worded but someone who's assaulted just for being Muslim by some right wing nutcase is no less a victim than a Brit who was stabbed by one of last night's fanatics. " Who said they were. Nobody has suggested going out and assaulting Muslims, are there any stories in the news today of Muslims being hunted down and killed, maimed or injured? there was no backlash against Muslims after Manchester and I doubt there will be after this. But to say the real victims of this attack are Muslims is pathetic and idiotic. | |||
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"I think they (terrorists) wanted to do something yesterday down here in Cardiff but the security was just insane. " It's better to have too many than not enough. They had police from all over the country in Cardiff yesterday, mutual aid its called. | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! Maybe poorly worded but someone who's assaulted just for being Muslim by some right wing nutcase is no less a victim than a Brit who was stabbed by one of last night's fanatics. Who said they were. Nobody has suggested going out and assaulting Muslims, are there any stories in the news today of Muslims being hunted down and killed, maimed or injured? there was no backlash against Muslims after Manchester and I doubt there will be after this. But to say the real victims of this attack are Muslims is pathetic and idiotic. " There was. The police said there was a spike in hate crimes after Manchester. | |||
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"I think they (terrorists) wanted to do something yesterday down here in Cardiff but the security was just insane. " I agree with that Im hoping that Cardiffs security is just as good when we come there in July to the speedway GP. | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. The IRA wanted a free Ireland. These losers want you, your family and your friends, dead. ^ Stop trying to make excuses or make them sound less pig like. The IRA just like Isis were cowardly cold blooded killers! " I'm not making excuses for the IRA, I'm pointing out the fact that these losers don't want peace talks or agreements, they want us westerners dead. Because we're not losers like them. | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash " Are you serious?!! People are dead! THEY are the victims. What a crass statement. | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash I think you'll find that the real victims are laying dead in a morgue, are laying injured in our hospitals and are sat wondering why their loved ones didn't come home last night and how they are going to carry on with their lives now they have been torn apart by evil. " Indeed! | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! " | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! Maybe poorly worded but someone who's assaulted just for being Muslim by some right wing nutcase is no less a victim than a Brit who was stabbed by one of last night's fanatics. " I despair. Are you seriously comparing being attacked to being blown to smithereens?!! | |||
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"It's 7 dead now. Stop the immigration blame game. None of these attackers have been anything other than British-born citizens. It's a twisted ideology. Islam isn't the reason... It's just a convenient motivation and justification for thise with an agenda. I'm in Saudi Arabia right now. I get no sense of hatred from any of the locals I interact with here. Every time this happens there's a general swing to the right, and that's just want these bastards want. We need to look at the bigger picture and create a society where no one wants to commit these crimes. Kicking in doors at 3am and 'disappearing' suspects or bombing villages isn't the answer... That just perpetuates the vicious circle. " | |||
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"most conflicts/wars is religion based.get rid of all religions no wars.!" I don't disagree, but I suspect the twats would find a new justification pretty quickly. Remember how it was all Marxism in the 70s and 80s. Baader Meinhoff etc? | |||
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"I think they (terrorists) wanted to do something yesterday down here in Cardiff but the security was just insane. " It's possible, but Cardiff was wonderful yesterday. The security was heavier than normal, but it didn't feel overly intrusive IMO. Yes, there were some pairs of armed officers around, but they spent most of their time happily posing for photos with fans and smiling. Having a few road blocks was fine. I drove back 100 miles back to my old city to spend the day enjoying the occasion. It's important for those who feel ok to do that, do so. | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. The IRA wanted a free Ireland. These losers want you, your family and your friends, dead." I'm not sure exactly who they are or what they want, but if they have a cause they could get feared and more reprisals, which would help their recruitment, and they could be happy with that. Sad times and some of the responses on this thread are making me sad. A tragic event has occurred and a lot of self appointed judges with little information to go on. I don't want to have too much of a rant, but if you're getting into the political side of it, remember who is in power in the UK and how effective of ineffective they have been at preventing this. If you want to live in a highly secure police state, look at the bombings that happened in the highly secure area of Kabul recently. Tired, angry and confused right now. Probably a good job there's no one here for me to talk to, as my words would probably make little sense | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again." I think your foreign policy has far more to do with it than your immigration policy but never let the truth stand in the way of "mass hysteria" As an outsider looking in I can assure you a Labour Government would result in a far safer Britain long term | |||
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"yes I agree.as long as man kind is in self distruction mode nothing will alter.!!!" Isis and it's followers aren't men. They are cowards. Losers. | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash So the people who died or were injured last night are not real victims?! What a fucking stupid statement to make at a time like this! Maybe poorly worded but someone who's assaulted just for being Muslim by some right wing nutcase is no less a victim than a Brit who was stabbed by one of last night's fanatics. Who said they were. Nobody has suggested going out and assaulting Muslims, are there any stories in the news today of Muslims being hunted down and killed, maimed or injured? there was no backlash against Muslims after Manchester and I doubt there will be after this. But to say the real victims of this attack are Muslims is pathetic and idiotic. There was. The police said there was a spike in hate crimes after Manchester. " And piers Morgan said the community should be doing more to combat terrorism. | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again. I think your foreign policy has far more to do with it than your immigration policy but never let the truth stand in the way of "mass hysteria" As an outsider looking in I can assure you a Labour Government would result in a far safer Britain long term" Agreed. What we need is more people like Tony Blair spreading love around the middle East. | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. The IRA wanted a free Ireland. These losers want you, your family and your friends, dead. I'm not sure exactly who they are or what they want, but if they have a cause they could get feared and more reprisals, which would help their recruitment, and they could be happy with that. Sad times and some of the responses on this thread are making me sad. A tragic event has occurred and a lot of self appointed judges with little information to go on. I don't want to have too much of a rant, but if you're getting into the political side of it, remember who is in power in the UK and how effective of ineffective they have been at preventing this. If you want to live in a highly secure police state, look at the bombings that happened in the highly secure area of Kabul recently. Tired, angry and confused right now. Probably a good job there's no one here for me to talk to, as my words would probably make little sense " Thankyou for those words dirty sex pig. | |||
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"People need to realise there is a massive difference between being a Muslim and a Muslim extremist. Your average Muslim does not condone these attacks any more than the average non Muslim. Don't blame a religion, blame the sick fuckers who twist their book to suit their own evil agenda. " | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again. I think your foreign policy has far more to do with it than your immigration policy but never let the truth stand in the way of "mass hysteria" As an outsider looking in I can assure you a Labour Government would result in a far safer Britain long term Agreed. What we need is more people like Tony Blair spreading love around the middle East. " You can't be serious endless labour governments and the apathy of the others is what has gotten us into this. Wake up people. | |||
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"Sad. Maybe people might use some common sense before they choose who they vote for. On which party is going to open the doors again. I think your foreign policy has far more to do with it than your immigration policy but never let the truth stand in the way of "mass hysteria" As an outsider looking in I can assure you a Labour Government would result in a far safer Britain long term Agreed. What we need is more people like Tony Blair spreading love around the middle East. You can't be serious endless labour governments and the apathy of the others is what has gotten us into this. Wake up people." Oh no! Just look at all the good that was done for western/Arab relations under labour. Let's have some more of that..... | |||
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"All terrorist to be buried in pigs carcus.feel sure Muslims around the world would agree with this as they do not represent Islam or the believe of this peaceful religion. Also may make the terrorist think twice no 80 virgins ." good point. | |||
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"People need to realise there is a massive difference between being a Muslim and a Muslim extremist. Your average Muslim does not condone these attacks any more than the average non Muslim. Don't blame a religion, blame the sick fuckers who twist their book to suit their own evil agenda. " The reality of Islam is in the countries it runs - not your friendly local shopkeeper here. In the countries it runs people are victimised and terrorised, there is no freedom for many, you will be punished severly for dissent - sounds like fascism to me. Our way of life would not be allowed by them in any place it controls. I agree it is not the people at fault but the ideology - a bit like trying to differentiate between Germans and Nazis in the 30s. | |||
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"I think they (terrorists) wanted to do something yesterday down here in Cardiff but the security was just insane. " lol glorious oxymoron. I'd say given the Insanity of terrorists, the high security was perfectly sane and necessary.... | |||
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"It's 7 dead now. Stop the immigration blame game. None of these attackers have been anything other than British-born citizens. It's a twisted ideology. Islam isn't the reason... It's just a convenient motivation and justification for thise with an agenda. I'm in Saudi Arabia right now. I get no sense of hatred from any of the locals I interact with here. Every time this happens there's a general swing to the right, and that's just want these bastards want. We need to look at the bigger picture and create a society where no one wants to commit these crimes. Kicking in doors at 3am and 'disappearing' suspects or bombing villages isn't the answer... That just perpetuates the vicious circle. " Muslims get bombed all over the world by terrorists too. And then they bombed the recent funeral too. It's vicious circle as you say. Whether from a suicide bomber or from a plane, people want reprisals. | |||
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"All terrorist to be buried in pigs carcus.feel sure Muslims around the world would agree with this as they do not represent Islam or the believe of this peaceful religion. Also may make the terrorist think twice no 80 virgins ." If only it were that simple. I fear that would simply be used as a recruitment tool as to how the 'west' treats all Muslims. A decent worldwide level of education would be a help to combating terrorism and few other things, but there's a lot of pressure on reducing foreign aid these days. And like benefit fraud, a few percent of dodgy foreign aid recipients are easy targets to highlight how foreign aid should be stopped. | |||
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"if its politics you don't want to get into why mention it.but when you say look who in power I think you for got to mention the last labour leader we had!oh yes TONY (PUPPET) BLAIR! !!!!,and what he left us with ,he and the BUSH institution is what started all this by going into other county's business and removing tyrants that yes did a lot of killing there own people,but they also policed this kind of activities! so when you take a shot at our own present government think about how much they have to sort out the last occupying government shit first.it's so easy to blame the now but least we forget how we got into the mess in the first place. remember we are a island to bring this trouble here you have to be invited first ,and labour sent out most of the of invertations. this is not home grown ! this is middle east grown !now here.big thankyou to Tony (fucking)Blair and Co. !!!! ." I believe The first officially recognised terrorist was british and protesting the British government. | |||
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"All terrorist to be buried in pigs carcus.feel sure Muslims around the world would agree with this as they do not represent Islam or the believe of this peaceful religion. Also may make the terrorist think twice no 80 virgins ." Yes this is a good idea and surely will make everything ok I said at the start how this thread would get interesting and seeing some posts where 2 and 2 have been added to get 5 is quite worrying | |||
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"All terrorist to be buried in pigs carcus.feel sure Muslims around the world would agree with this as they do not represent Islam or the believe of this peaceful religion. Also may make the terrorist think twice no 80 virgins . Yes this is a good idea and surely will make everything ok I said at the start how this thread would get interesting and seeing some posts where 2 and 2 have been added to get 5 is quite worrying " Well rather than just sitting back and dropping in with snide comments from time to time why don't you set people straight and point out the error in their calculations. | |||
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"All terrorist to be buried in pigs carcus.feel sure Muslims around the world would agree with this as they do not represent Islam or the believe of this peaceful religion. Also may make the terrorist think twice no 80 virgins . Yes this is a good idea and surely will make everything ok I said at the start how this thread would get interesting and seeing some posts where 2 and 2 have been added to get 5 is quite worrying Well rather than just sitting back and dropping in with snide comments from time to time why don't you set people straight and point out the error in their calculations. " He can't. | |||
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"if its politics you don't want to get into why mention it.but when you say look who in power I think you for got to mention the last labour leader we had!oh yes TONY (PUPPET) BLAIR! !!!!,and what he left us with ,he and the BUSH institution is what started all this by going into other county's business and removing tyrants that yes did a lot of killing there own people,but they also policed this kind of activities! so when you take a shot at our own present government think about how much they have to sort out the last occupying government shit first.it's so easy to blame the now but least we forget how we got into the mess in the first place. remember we are a island to bring this trouble here you have to be invited first ,and labour sent out most of the of invertations. this is not home grown ! this is middle east grown !now here.big thankyou to Tony (fucking)Blair and Co. !!!! ." It was Gordon Brown.. and whilst not a fan of Blair or his war or immigration policy, most if not all of the people who came here then came from Eastern Europe.. if you want to look at the issue objectively without bias then you need to go back a lot further.. before arming the Muhajiaedeen or whatever they were called in Afghanistan against the Russians.. before Suez even.. | |||
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"if its politics you don't want to get into why mention it.but when you say look who in power I think you for got to mention the last labour leader we had!oh yes TONY (PUPPET) BLAIR! !!!!,and what he left us with ,he and the BUSH institution is what started all this by going into other county's business and removing tyrants that yes did a lot of killing there own people,but they also policed this kind of activities! so when you take a shot at our own present government think about how much they have to sort out the last occupying government shit first.it's so easy to blame the now but least we forget how we got into the mess in the first place. remember we are a island to bring this trouble here you have to be invited first ,and labour sent out most of the of invertations. this is not home grown ! this is middle east grown !now here.big thankyou to Tony (fucking)Blair and Co. !!!! . It was Gordon Brown.. and whilst not a fan of Blair or his war or immigration policy, most if not all of the people who came here then came from Eastern Europe.. if you want to look at the issue objectively without bias then you need to go back a lot further.. before arming the Muhajiaedeen or whatever they were called in Afghanistan against the Russians.. before Suez even.. " Yeah those fuckers can really hold a grudge! They really need to get out more. | |||
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"Let's wait to hear who openly admit to being the "group / party" behind this attack in London..... I have an open mind but won't be surprised if it is a religious background. If it is then it's time to rid this country of allowing the cowards that hide and are being shielded by a supposedly peaceful religion out of OUR society. Yet if a reprisal was brought against the religious group who DO shield these cowards who kill innocent law abiding people happen.....dont let them claim innocence......if they shield a terrorist they should expect the consequences, if they firmly believe their religion is a peaceful one then show it by announcing who the terrorists are who live among them. They will NEVER make me live in fear. Stand firm and NEVER give in to terrorism. " The only people shielding Islamic extremists are Islamic extremists | |||
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"if its politics you don't want to get into why mention it.but when you say look who in power I think you for got to mention the last labour leader we had!oh yes TONY (PUPPET) BLAIR! !!!!,and what he left us with ,he and the BUSH institution is what started all this by going into other county's business and removing tyrants that yes did a lot of killing there own people,but they also policed this kind of activities! so when you take a shot at our own present government think about how much they have to sort out the last occupying government shit first.it's so easy to blame the now but least we forget how we got into the mess in the first place. remember we are a island to bring this trouble here you have to be invited first ,and labour sent out most of the of invertations. this is not home grown ! this is middle east grown !now here.big thankyou to Tony (fucking)Blair and Co. !!!! . It was Gordon Brown.. and whilst not a fan of Blair or his war or immigration policy, most if not all of the people who came here then came from Eastern Europe.. if you want to look at the issue objectively without bias then you need to go back a lot further.. before arming the Muhajiaedeen or whatever they were called in Afghanistan against the Russians.. before Suez even.. Yeah those fuckers can really hold a grudge! They really need to get out more." agreed.. we missed a trick in not giving them free telly's to watch soap opera's and reality tv shows.. | |||
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"Let's wait to hear who openly admit to being the "group / party" behind this attack in London..... I have an open mind but won't be surprised if it is a religious background. If it is then it's time to rid this country of allowing the cowards that hide and are being shielded by a supposedly peaceful religion out of OUR society. Yet if a reprisal was brought against the religious group who DO shield these cowards who kill innocent law abiding people happen.....dont let them claim innocence......if they shield a terrorist they should expect the consequences, if they firmly believe their religion is a peaceful one then show it by announcing who the terrorists are who live among them. They will NEVER make me live in fear. Stand firm and NEVER give in to terrorism. The only people shielding Islamic extremists are Islamic extremists " 2 in 3 muslims would not report extremist views in their family or friend circle. #TheTIMES thats the real issue in my opinion | |||
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"I think they (terrorists) wanted to do something yesterday down here in Cardiff but the security was just insane. lol glorious oxymoron. I'd say given the Insanity of terrorists, the high security was perfectly sane and necessary.... " Yeah well down here we say insane to descripe something epic or immense or awesome. | |||
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"I think people forget how scary it was in the 80's and 90's with the IRA. Today it's just highlighted more by the media. The IRA wanted a free Ireland. These losers want you, your family and your friends, dead. ^ Stop trying to make excuses or make them sound less pig like. The IRA just like Isis were cowardly cold blooded killers! " | |||
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"Let's wait to hear who openly admit to being the "group / party" behind this attack in London..... I have an open mind but won't be surprised if it is a religious background. If it is then it's time to rid this country of allowing the cowards that hide and are being shielded by a supposedly peaceful religion out of OUR society. Yet if a reprisal was brought against the religious group who DO shield these cowards who kill innocent law abiding people happen.....dont let them claim innocence......if they shield a terrorist they should expect the consequences, if they firmly believe their religion is a peaceful one then show it by announcing who the terrorists are who live among them. They will NEVER make me live in fear. Stand firm and NEVER give in to terrorism. The only people shielding Islamic extremists are Islamic extremists 2 in 3 muslims would not report extremist views in their family or friend circle. #TheTIMES thats the real issue in my opinion" Freddie Starr ate my hamster.. the Sun.. | |||
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"as another post said.if we are to live as one why don't the peacefull religions"" turn there own suspects in to the security forces.it's because they are not part of any out side communitys.am sure there are lots of people on this site who are from such religious faiths who we need to hear there options.and what there elders are doing doing ." You mean like the many muslims that reported the Manchester bomber to authorities because they believed he had been radicalised and were concerned about him. Almost every one of these fuckers are known to the police. They must have thousands of people known to them but have to try and decide who is the biggest risk. Can't predict which one of them is going to do something. | |||
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"if its politics you don't want to get into why mention it.but when you say look who in power I think you for got to mention the last labour leader we had!oh yes TONY (PUPPET) BLAIR! !!!!,and what he left us with ,he and the BUSH institution is what started all this by going into other county's business and removing tyrants that yes did a lot of killing there own people,but they also policed this kind of activities! so when you take a shot at our own present government think about how much they have to sort out the last occupying government shit first.it's so easy to blame the now but least we forget how we got into the mess in the first place. remember we are a island to bring this trouble here you have to be invited first ,and labour sent out most of the of invertations. this is not home grown ! this is middle east grown !now here.big thankyou to Tony (fucking)Blair and Co. !!!! . It was Gordon Brown.. and whilst not a fan of Blair or his war or immigration policy, most if not all of the people who came here then came from Eastern Europe.. if you want to look at the issue objectively without bias then you need to go back a lot further.. before arming the Muhajiaedeen or whatever they were called in Afghanistan against the Russians.. before Suez even.. Yeah those fuckers can really hold a grudge! They really need to get out more. agreed.. we missed a trick in not giving them free telly's to watch soap opera's and reality tv shows.. I think it's their dependents on just reading one book all the time. It's like guys who watch too much porn then start believing that that is what real sex is like. " i blame the shutting down of the libraries.. bit of Dickens and Bronte is good for the soul.. | |||
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"Let's wait to hear who openly admit to being the "group / party" behind this attack in London..... I have an open mind but won't be surprised if it is a religious background. If it is then it's time to rid this country of allowing the cowards that hide and are being shielded by a supposedly peaceful religion out of OUR society. Yet if a reprisal was brought against the religious group who DO shield these cowards who kill innocent law abiding people happen.....dont let them claim innocence......if they shield a terrorist they should expect the consequences, if they firmly believe their religion is a peaceful one then show it by announcing who the terrorists are who live among them. They will NEVER make me live in fear. Stand firm and NEVER give in to terrorism. The only people shielding Islamic extremists are Islamic extremists " Whilst I understand your point of view , I never mentioned any religious group in my initial post, I said I'm open minded and to let's wait and hear who admits responsibility to this act of terrorism, However , it has been proven in the past that terrorists have "lived among us" so it's hard to argue against the fact that " somebody knows something " about who commits these cowardly acts of terror to innocent people. People shielding terrorists are as bad as the person committing the act of terror. | |||
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"The real victims in all of this will be the Muslim communities the length and breadth of the UK who will now be living in constant fear for the inevitable backlash I think you'll find that the real victims are laying dead in a morgue, are laying injured in our hospitals and are sat wondering why their loved ones didn't come home last night and how they are going to carry on with their lives now they have been torn apart by evil. " Anyone of us who want to live in peace is effected. | |||
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"well all I can say is lock them all up till you find out who they are.are fucking deport the lot back to there grandparents place of birth." i agree | |||
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"well all I can say is lock them all up till you find out who they are.are fucking deport the lot back to there grandparents place of birth." Lock up those found guilty of an offence. Sweeping generalisations borne from fear that condemn an entire group, no. That's scaremongering. | |||
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"well all I can say is lock them all up till you find out who they are.are fucking deport the lot back to there grandparents place of birth." yes am sure that will fix it..... Not! | |||
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"People need to realise there is a massive difference between being a Muslim and a Muslim extremist. Your average Muslim does not condone these attacks any more than the average non Muslim. Don't blame a religion, blame the sick fuckers who twist their book to suit their own evil agenda. " | |||
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"And they don't seem to do anything to stop them either. THAT IS THE PROBLEM." Who don't? | |||
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"Let's wait to hear who openly admit to being the "group / party" behind this attack in London..... I have an open mind but won't be surprised if it is a religious background. If it is then it's time to rid this country of allowing the cowards that hide and are being shielded by a supposedly peaceful religion out of OUR society. Yet if a reprisal was brought against the religious group who DO shield these cowards who kill innocent law abiding people happen.....dont let them claim innocence......if they shield a terrorist they should expect the consequences, if they firmly believe their religion is a peaceful one then show it by announcing who the terrorists are who live among them. They will NEVER make me live in fear. Stand firm and NEVER give in to terrorism. The only people shielding Islamic extremists are Islamic extremists Whilst I understand your point of view , I never mentioned any religious group in my initial post, I said I'm open minded and to let's wait and hear who admits responsibility to this act of terrorism, However , it has been proven in the past that terrorists have "lived among us" so it's hard to argue against the fact that " somebody knows something " about who commits these cowardly acts of terror to innocent people. People shielding terrorists are as bad as the person committing the act of terror. " Yes exactly. It gets us nowhere to point out that the majority of muslims are good people. I'm sure they are. But the plain, hard facts of the matter are that these extremists come from the muslim community. In the same way that the IRA came from the Irish community. The communities from where they come must be encouraged to take responsibility and actively root out the terrorists. That won't happen if we brand all muslims as terrorists. But nor will it happen if we tread lightly for fear of offending minorities or religious sensitivities. | |||
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"well all I can say is lock them all up till you find out who they are.are fucking deport the lot back to there grandparents place of birth." Idiot. The prison service is on its knees, it can't handle the prisoners it has now. Where will we put all these new people? How will it be funded? | |||
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"And they don't seem to do anything to stop them either. THAT IS THE PROBLEM." Precisely ..... I'm sure the extremists are in the minority within their religious groups so why don't the decent people / So called leaders within their religious groups do something about the bad ones amongst them who are creating their faith to be seen in a bad way by others ? ( whether it be misinformed or from media focus of that religious group ) . | |||
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"But it is not just extremists is it? Every time there is an attack, the mosque that the attacker worshipped in is revealed and there always seems to be some link to extremism with that mosque." Is the link the attacker? I have to say I don't recall reading anything like this about the mosque that the Manchester bomber was affiliated to. Perhaps you could provide some links? | |||
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"And they don't seem to do anything to stop them either. THAT IS THE PROBLEM." Peter Sutcliffe lived in Yorkshire.. Fred West lived in Gloucester.. Harold Shipman.. etc etc.. see the flaw in your premise..? | |||
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"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40079948 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/question-time-audience-member-claims-given-anti-west-leaflet/ Try those for a start" The BBC link simply says they need to learn. They have previously reported 3 potential radicals there is nothing in that article that suggests the bomber was definitely radicalised via the mosque or that the mosque was implicated in the bombing in any way other than the guy worshipped there. The second actor has already been called into question by several other sources. I could print off a flyer saying you tried to radicalise me and wave it on question time. It would be no more proof than what that guy did. Did he report it to the police or sit on if to get his 15 mins of fame? I see nothing in those articles that support your argument. | |||
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"Another apology from me owed. Typical." FTFY That's alright. You've educated yourself now. | |||
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"Another apologist. Typical." LOL just because I don't agree with you I'm an apologist? Just because I ask to see facts and not propaganda I'm an apologist? Just because you can't argue your case I'm am apologist? Calling me an apologist might make you feel better about your prejudiced, ignorant standpoint but it just makes me laugh. | |||
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"You won't be laughing so much when you or your family are attacked." No, but that's because it's an unrelated situation to her laughing at you. So a moot (and daft) point. | |||
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"You won't be laughing so much when you or your family are attacked." I'm not laughing about the attacks I'm laughing at your childish attempt of an argument. I asked for facts and you gave me none then when I called you out on it you and you had no comeback you called me an apologist. But thanks for bringing my family into it. Nice of ypu | |||
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"No, she is a typical left-wing, liberal apologists, who thinks these attacks which are always perpetrated by Muslims have nothing to do with Islam, Mosques, the Muslim community and Imams. They are always blameless as far as she is concerned." No. You are wrong, putting words in people's mouths, making generalisations and demonstrating rather a lack of intelligence, perhaps you're just a bit emotional and not thinking your posts through. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. | |||
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"No, she is a typical left-wing, liberal apologists, who thinks these attacks which are always perpetrated by Muslims have nothing to do with Islam, Mosques, the Muslim community and Imams. They are always blameless as far as she is concerned. No. You are wrong, putting words in people's mouths, making generalisations and demonstrating rather a lack of intelligence, perhaps you're just a bit emotional and not thinking your posts through. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. " Well said and I'll give another benefit of doubt here too | |||
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"I'm not emotional at all. I wasn't involved in any of these Muslim attacks. I don't know anyone that was either. She is just a typical apologist. Heard all the Imams come out and condemn these attack? Every single one in the UK? Many? Any? That person on BBC QT was lying then? No such leaflet? Imagine getting such a hate leaflet in a Church in and no one reporting anything? And what about the Imam at Abedi's mosque. He admitted how Abedi reacted to some of his speeches on tolerance. Yet he did nothing. " Oh dear. Just daft then. Fair do. | |||
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"Time to just arrest anyone they have suspicion on. Take up down now. " trouble with that is for every so called radical u arrest there are more that slip through the net | |||
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"This may be a stupid question, but what are their demands? All terrorists demand something Or are these just some sad losers who are rejected by society and have nothing better to do with their lives than to murder innocent people? - Mrs. J -" How close you are to the truth.. If they didn't have this as a cause to fight, they would be football hooligans, in a gang fighting another gang over a postcode or out mugging old ladies.. They are nothing but thugs that now have a reason to use extreme violence against people. | |||
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"I'm not emotional at all. I wasn't involved in any of these Muslim attacks. I don't know anyone that was either. She is just a typical apologist. Heard all the Imams come out and condemn these attack? Every single one in the UK? Many? Any? That person on BBC QT was lying then? No such leaflet? Imagine getting such a hate leaflet in a Church in and no one reporting anything? And what about the Imam at Abedi's mosque. He admitted how Abedi reacted to some of his speeches on tolerance. Yet he did nothing. " Even though the article you provided states they reported at least 3 people? How do you know they did nothing he was known to the authorities so someone reported him. One person with a bit of paper o tv is not enough evidence now is it? Even you have to admit that. Why did he hang on to it and not report it to the police like a good upstairs ding citizen? The Muslim council have condemned every attack in separate statements after each one but I guess that isn't good enough for you. Of course I'm not saying that all Muslims are good people. Of course there are bad elements but must b like all Christians cannkt be called kkk members, not all Catholic priests can be called paedophiles, not all Muslims can be called terrorists. | |||
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"So name a stable, moderate Muslim country then! Still not seeing the connection?" Oh wee LeedsAndy! It's okay, come and have a hug. | |||
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"You can't can you? And this is being revealed too http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/west-yorkshire-town-centre-child-10548639 But do keep defending them! " You don't seem to grasp the fact no one here is defending the extremists. Nor grasp the tenuous nature of your points. That's got to be frustrating for you. | |||
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"You can't can you? And this is being revealed too http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/west-yorkshire-town-centre-child-10548639 But do keep defending them! " So are we defending men or Asians in relation to this story as it doesn't mention any of their religions? Just checking. | |||
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"My point is this for the last time THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY, IT'S MOSQUES, MEMBERS, IMAMS ARE DOING NOTHING TO STOP ALL THIS, OR EXPOSE IT. THAT IS MY POINT." No need to shout. We're aware of the point you're making, however unsubstantiated and daft. Calm down wee LeedsAndy | |||
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"No, she is a typical left-wing, liberal apologists, who thinks these attacks which are always perpetrated by Muslims have nothing to do with Islam, Mosques, the Muslim community and Imams. They are always blameless as far as she is concerned. No. You are wrong, putting words in people's mouths, making generalisations and demonstrating rather a lack of intelligence, perhaps you're just a bit emotional and not thinking your posts through. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. " pretty much agree.. | |||
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"I was very impressed by the police response time and how quickly they handled the situation. The stories from people within the vicinity trying to challenge the attackers and keep others safe give me a lot of hope. " one of the kids I teach karate dad's a gun cop and since these attacks has been patrolling 12 hrs a a day in all weathers in full gear and waiting to see if he will be despatched to one of these attacks and you got to feel for his wife and kids not knowing if he's in the middle of it ,so u got to hand it our boys in blue | |||
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