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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

I'm sure Richard Dawkins will be along in a minute to tell you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure Richard Dawkins will be along in a minute to tell you."

What do *you* think? Any thoughts?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Yes I can and I know I'm right.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Yes I can and I know I'm right. "

Hahahaha

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

"I'm sure Richard Dawkins will be along in a minute to tell you.

What do *you* think? Any thoughts?

I think you could argue anything we do is selfish (and hence the desire to do it must also be selfish) but the world isn't always so black and white in my opinion, much of it is grey.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sure Richard Dawkins will be along in a minute to tell you.

What do *you* think? Any thoughts?

I think you could argue anything we do is selfish (and hence the desire to do it must also be selfish) but the world isn't always so black and white in my opinion, much of it is grey."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Although meaning the same, selfish has a more negative connotation to me than self-centred. Concentrating on ones' self does not have to be selfish (ie having disregard for others).

It is all about context, example:

I have £50 and spend it on a spa day. The money was for my birthday so I am having me time.

The money was part of my low income but all my bills are paid and I have food in my cupboard.

I am in debt and my daughter needs school shoes but I am so stressed my health is deteriorating which affects my daughter's well-being.

Egoism exists and hopefully my examples have shown that even in the worst example, the awareness of self can be necessary for the benefit of others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are separated souls seeking union or connection with others. When we act with only ourselves in mind we only work to isolate ourselves even more. When we dance with others we feel happy and full. I don't know if that answers your question but it sounds deep lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Are not all desires selfish. I mean even the desire for world peace is based on self preservation.

Its what you do with that desire that marks you out.

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By *inaryGuyMan
over a year ago

Near the River

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

By disregarding the consequences or causing more harm to the other person by taking or doing is selfish. Knowingly doing it is a sign of an egotist

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By *rrol.BMan
over a year ago

Wrexham

Meh. I got bored reading the OP. Anyone care to amuse me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything we do is ultimately selfish so, no we can't

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Although meaning the same, selfish has a more negative connotation to me than self-centred. Concentrating on ones' self does not have to be selfish (ie having disregard for others).

It is all about context, example:

I have £50 and spend it on a spa day. The money was for my birthday so I am having me time.

The money was part of my low income but all my bills are paid and I have food in my cupboard.

I am in debt and my daughter needs school shoes but I am so stressed my health is deteriorating which affects my daughter's well-being.

Egoism exists and hopefully my examples have shown that even in the worst example, the awareness of self can be necessary for the benefit of others."

Interesting, thank you

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We are separated souls seeking union or connection with others. When we act with only ourselves in mind we only work to isolate ourselves even more. When we dance with others we feel happy and full. I don't know if that answers your question but it sounds deep lol

That sounds good, yes

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Eh?

I saw it on a philosophy exam paper and wondered what would happen to post it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Are not all desires selfish. I mean even the desire for world peace is based on self preservation.

Its what you do with that desire that marks you out.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

By disregarding the consequences or causing more harm to the other person by taking or doing is selfish. Knowingly doing it is a sign of an egotist

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Meh. I got bored reading the OP. Anyone care to amuse me?

Me too.

Wanna frottage?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Everything we do is ultimately selfish so, no we can't

I think you're right

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Meh. I got bored reading the OP. Anyone care to amuse me?

Me too.

Wanna frottage?

Yes.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

It's good, I concur!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Meh. I got bored reading the OP. Anyone care to amuse me?

Me too.

Wanna frottage?

Yes."

Cool. I'm going to do unspeakable clothesbased rubbing things to you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's good, I concur!!"

it was lovely to read

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism."

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist. Someone would literraly have to be consciousless to do an altruistic act, and then it can be argued he didn't do it because it wasn't 'him'.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Everything we do is ultimately selfish so, no we can't

I think you're right

I gave a F****t fan £2 today so he could get a beer. Not selfish, stupid possibly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist. Someone would literraly have to be consciousless to do an altruistic act, and then it can be argued he didn't do it because it wasn't 'him'."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Everything we do is ultimately selfish so, no we can't

I think you're right

I gave a F****t fan £2 today so he could get a beer. Not selfish, stupid possibly

Aww bless ya

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Everything we do is ultimately selfish so, no we can't

I think you're right

I gave a F****t fan £2 today so he could get a beer. Not selfish, stupid possibly

Aww bless ya "

I'm all

me ya see

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By *heffmMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Isn't this topic a bit narcissistic

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist. "

I disagree.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Everything we do is ultimately selfish so, no we can't

I think you're right

I gave a F****t fan £2 today so he could get a beer. Not selfish, stupid possibly

Aww bless ya

I'm all

me ya see

You are

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Isn't this topic a bit narcissistic

Boom!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist.

I disagree.

It's the age old debate.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist.

I disagree.

It's the age old debate. "

Of course, altruism exists to a certain degree, that much we know for sure. It's just a matter of how far we are prepared to step over the line to put ourselves at risk in order to protect others less able to.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist.

I disagree.

It's the age old debate.

But I think the point being made is that the choice to do so in itself stems from a potentially egotistical premise, whether the do-EE is fully conscious or not -- martyrdom, being a hero, etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist.

I disagree.

It's the age old debate.

But I think the point being made is that the choice to do so in itself stems from a potentially egotistical premise, whether the do-EE is fully conscious or not -- martyrdom, being a hero, etc.

Do-er*

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist.

I disagree.

It's the age old debate.

But I think the point being made is that the choice to do so in itself stems from a potentially egotistical premise, whether the do-EE is fully conscious or not -- martyrdom, being a hero, etc.

I think that risk versus consequence will kick in in a rational mind. We are not all wired the same, so there will be many varied outcomes to the same situation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think we can be motivated by altruism, for sure. Of course we may get pleasure from altruistic acts, so in that sense reward ourselves, but i don't think that's egoism.

I disagree because the moment when we feel that "we want to do something" regardless of intention is completely egoistical.

True altruism doesn't exist.

I disagree.

It's the age old debate.

But I think the point being made is that the choice to do so in itself stems from a potentially egotistical premise, whether the do-EE is fully conscious or not -- martyrdom, being a hero, etc.

I think that risk versus consequence will kick in in a rational mind. We are not all wired the same, so there will be many varied outcomes to the same situation."

That's not quite the point I'm making.

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Example 1 - I want sex with Estella - selfish, all based on my own gratification.

Example 2 - I want to give Estella one - selfless, based on generously thinking of Estella's pleasure with little thought for my own time or pleasure.

Implications - I feel far more altruistic as I knock one out before Estella hides her profile and blocks me.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"That's not quite the point I'm making.

Well put it in layman's terms for a sad old thicko like me then

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Can we distinguish a selfish desire from one that isn’t? What implications does your answer have for the truth of egoism?

Example 1 - I want sex with Estella - selfish, all based on my own gratification.

Example 2 - I want to give Estella one - selfless, based on generously thinking of Estella's pleasure with little thought for my own time or pleasure.

Implications - I feel far more altruistic as I knock one out before Estella hides her profile and blocks me."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"That's not quite the point I'm making.

Well put it in layman's terms for a sad old thicko like me then

You are in no way thick. Shurrup.

I need to eat ma tea so let's park this one for beer chats

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"That's not quite the point I'm making.

Well put it in layman's terms for a sad old thicko like me then

You are in no way thick. Shurrup.

I need to eat ma tea so let's park this one for beer chats

I'm hoping you can reverse park perfectly

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I grew up with all the manners I could, including putting others before yourself.

It nearly finished me off, not being dramatic either.

So I learned to look after myself, my own needs and wants. I felt really guilty at first. But close friends, and others involved in my road to recovery, told me it was what I needed to do.

And as I got better, reading more and more and more about being the best you can be at life, I finally learned the truth.

If one doesn't look after one's own self, wants and needs one is in no fit state to share and help others

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By *owdyboy 890Man
over a year ago

Country West

Aye Aye Aye

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

So me being 'all about me' isn't an ego thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's not quite the point I'm making.

Well put it in layman's terms for a sad old thicko like me then

You are in no way thick. Shurrup.

I need to eat ma tea so let's park this one for beer chats

Now not teatime....it's supper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That's not quite the point I'm making.

Well put it in layman's terms for a sad old thicko like me then

You are in no way thick. Shurrup.

I need to eat ma tea so let's park this one for beer chats

Now not teatime....it's supper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gosh now there's a question!

It's too late and I'm too squiffy on the apple giggle-juice to come up with an intellectual answer.

I do know though my selfish desire involves Estella, baby oil, bikinis and a luxury beachside penthouse.

I'm not sure of the implications of this for the truth of egotism. Can anyone else interpret my desires for me?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"Gosh now there's a question!

It's too late and I'm too squiffy on the apple giggle-juice to come up with an intellectual answer.

I do know though my selfish desire involves Estella, baby oil, bikinis and a luxury beachside penthouse.

I'm not sure of the implications of this for the truth of egotism. Can anyone else interpret my desires for me?"

I know a dream entrepreter if that's any good

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