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Why don't cyclists use the dam cycle lane

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Why don't they bloody use them

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me.

One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work?

Also why do we have to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop and ask him/her

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"Stop and ask him/her"

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston


"It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me.

One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work?

Also why do we have to?"

Do cats generally overtake you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't they bloody use them "

There aren't many cycle lanes on the routes I use so what do you propose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't they bloody use them

There aren't many cycle lanes on the routes I use so what do you propose? "

Probably to use them where you can

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By *nked_kittenWoman
over a year ago

Ankh Morpork


"It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me.

One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work?

Also why do we have to?

Do cats generally overtake you? "

There are a few cats on my road that like to run next to me when I'm on my bike. They have never over taken me though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the cycle lane well maintained? Some are covered in glass and debris so road cyclists are more likely to get punctures.

And the ones shared with pedestrians - the pedestrians often stray onto the cyclists side so you take your life in your hands trying to avoid them.

I get more frustrated with cyclists who use normal pavements to ride on and teenagers on scooters in shops as if that's perfectly normal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't really bother me unless I'm walking along and sense something behind me and turn to see a cyclist looming and cycling mega slow.. either go round me, say something or ring your bell you weirdo, I can't hear that well at times

To be fair I usually turn round and ignore them until they say excuse me, same with people huffing and puffing when I'm walking with my toddler instead of saying "Excuse me" Usually the same folks who leave trollies in the middle of the aisle

Sorry, got off topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do 14 miles to get to work and on that route there is only one cycle lane, which is on a road about 200 meters long, otherwise I'm amongst the traffic.

I use them if they're there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The roads round here are quite dangerous, narrow, bendy country lanes, yet even where cycle lanes have been created many cyclists choose to use the road. On one very busy road there is an excellent cycle path but it isn't used in the main. I don't figure the rationale. There are lots of. Yxling events that are well organised and routes can be planned to avoid when they are happening however there are lots of informal cycling pub crawls because of the plethora of nice country pubs in the area. Sadly a number of pissed up cyclists take their life in their hands riding round the area half cut doing stupid stunts. Needless to say it does the cycling community no favours in terms of perception.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get around this problem by cycling off road. Don't understand the appeal of cycling on Tarmac.

As a driver, the majority of cyclists are a nuisance and something should be done so there are more cycle lanes

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me.

One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work?

Also why do we have to?

Do cats generally overtake you? "

We have very fast cats that are faster that cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doesn't really bother me unless I'm walking along and sense something behind me and turn to see a cyclist looming and cycling mega slow.. either go round me, say something or ring your bell you weirdo, I can't hear that well at times

To be fair I usually turn round and ignore them until they say excuse me, same with people huffing and puffing when I'm walking with my toddler instead of saying "Excuse me" Usually the same folks who leave trollies in the middle of the aisle

Sorry, got off topic "

I'd stay behind you just to check out your arse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? "

Can't argue with that logic

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London

I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light. "

Why was that funny?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ? "

Vaguely

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire


"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ? "

I struggle to r ember July sunny days....never mind August windy ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ? "

https://youtu.be/yfVp40o159E

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doesn't really bother me unless I'm walking along and sense something behind me and turn to see a cyclist looming and cycling mega slow.. either go round me, say something or ring your bell you weirdo, I can't hear that well at times

To be fair I usually turn round and ignore them until they say excuse me, same with people huffing and puffing when I'm walking with my toddler instead of saying "Excuse me" Usually the same folks who leave trollies in the middle of the aisle

Sorry, got off topic

I'd stay behind you just to check out your arse "

Oh I'd totally let you off then

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

Old guy on a penny farthing, no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't they bloody use them "

Because legally we don't have to and often the infrastructure is poorly thought out meaning tge road is by far the safest option for road users and pedestrians alike

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light.

Why was that funny? "

That is something I would also laugh at

But then I would check if their ok if I am in a position to do so

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Why don't car drivers use buses?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light. "

you must be an absolute scream if you think that's funny

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Why don't car drivers use buses?"

Because they only come here three times a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?"
Nobody pay road tax it's vehicle tax and the majority of cyclists own a vehicle

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

out in the sticks


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? "

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?"

They do don't they if they drive a car as well ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike! "

Right, what's your point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?"

You mean the Vehicle Excise Duty that as based on emissions? Cyclists would would pay nothing anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In all honesty I have never seen an argument presented by a motorist on this topic thst doesn't boil down to why should I be inconvenienced by other road users

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please "

This Cyclists are dick heads. Don't tar them all with the same brush. Much like not all lorry drivers are fat and lazy and smelly, just some

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law. "

And I suppose car and lorry drivers never jump red lights do they?

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

out in the sticks


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point? "

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light.

Why was that funny? "

Schadenfreude, we all do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please "

Of course we could talk about hgv's are involved in a disproportionate amount if pedestrian and cyclist fatalities if you like?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please "

The worst accident I've ever hsd. A lorry took me out on the motorway so I think every type of driver or cyclist is not perfect. There are good and bad of every type of road user.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ?

https://youtu.be/yfVp40o159E"

According to "tubeyou" Augustus Windsock was the world's oldest cyclist until it was uncovered he indulged in cottaging and was arrested trying to cycle away from the police naked.

Apparently he caught his wang in the spokes which cause a blood loss that made his moustache droop.....

Soxy Truth or Soxy Bluff ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never understood the point of most cycle lanes, they appear from nowhere then stop again just as abruptly. What are cyclists supposed to do to get from one to another? Fly?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point?

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law."

I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.

Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Why don't car drivers use buses?"

Because they are so infrequent and unreliable in our area. Two out of the three occasions I've chosen to use the bus, the scheduled bus was cancelled. It's an appalling service. I now walk instead on those occasions. I can do it almost as quickly as the bus now I'm fitter and can power walk far quicker than I used to, because of the tortuous route it takes. Country area bus routes are notoriously poor. Journeys that take 15 minutes in the car take 90 minutes by bus because of the daft route it goes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ?

https://youtu.be/yfVp40o159E

According to "tubeyou" Augustus Windsock was the world's oldest cyclist until it was uncovered he indulged in cottaging and was arrested trying to cycle away from the police naked.

Apparently he caught his wang in the spokes which cause a blood loss that made his moustache droop.....

Soxy Truth or Soxy Bluff ? "

- Cool Story Bro

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?"

Do you mean vehicle excise duty?

I pay towards the up keep of the roads via my tax and council tax the same as the rest of you who have to pay it. The vehicle excise duty does not pay for the roads.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are countless threads on here about how unjust speeding fines can be and how seedd cameras are unfair... People still get caught drink driving every day. And drug driving is increasingly more common now detection is easier. And don't even get me started on mobile use.

But yeah it's the cyclists thay are at fault by bot getting out of their way by using cycle paths that are causing all the road safety issues

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

out in the sticks


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point?

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.

I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.

Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists. "

Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be "

If you know they are there.... Yours

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

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By *unsters66Couple
over a year ago

Newport

Cyclists are annoying and think nothing of two or three abreast and weaving about the place as if they own it,cause chaos and disruption and slowing traffic up and most inconsiderate.....they have one rule.."their's".....family cycle tracks like the ones near us are great..but please dont just expect us to move for you... !!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point?

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.

I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.

Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.

Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.

"

Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be "

If you get it every day then you should be well prepared for it. Assume and plan for the worst. As a professional driver, you were taught to plan ahead while driving.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Cyclists are annoying and think nothing of two or three abreast and weaving about the place as if they own it,cause chaos and disruption and slowing traffic up and most inconsiderate.....they have one rule.."their's".....family cycle tracks like the ones near us are great..but please dont just expect us to move for you... !!!"

Lol

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

out in the sticks


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be "

Yours as they know no different as they have passed no test that would tell them that undertaking is against the law

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Why don't they bloody use them "

Because they don't have to.

The roads are open for all to use. Not just you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've never understood the point of most cycle lanes, they appear from nowhere then stop again just as abruptly. What are cyclists supposed to do to get from one to another? Fly?"

This is exactly the point I was making about poor infrastructure. Compare it to places like Holland Belgium and we are light years behind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?"

Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't they bloody use them "

Just curios ..... Is your concern primarily for the cyclists safety or is it more aimed at any perceived inconvenience cyclists cause to other road users?

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By *reasyontheeyesMan
over a year ago

out in the sticks


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point?

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.

I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.

Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.

Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.

Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is "

The point is that they are in the minority....cyclist without insurance or knowing the rules of the road are an unknown danger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where I live there is a national speed limit dual carriageway that has a 6ft wide cycle path in both direction but you always get cyclists on the main carriageway which infuriates me. The other day there was a pack of cyclist riding 3 abreast and over taking each other on a 70mph road and they wonder why they get potted. It should be an offence to cycle on the road when there is a cycle path in place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about "

I see far more cars and lorries jump red lights, they just all do it as the lights turn back to red. I was stood next to a guy who was almost taken out by a car going through more than 5 seconds after the lights had turned red

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point?

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.

I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.

Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.

Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.

Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is

The point is that they are in the minority....cyclist without insurance or knowing the rules of the road are an unknown danger"

They clearly aren't. You seem to know a lot about the dangers.

It all boils down to respect for road users at the end of the day. Some cyclists feel the need to ride aggressively to keep their road position as some car drivers think it's their god given right to use the road and no one else can. If there was just a little bit more respect and patience for everyone it would be a much better place.

Right, I've delayed it long enough, I'm off for a quick bike ride.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't "

And again, I put it to you that far too many car, truck, van drivers put others lives at risk by not stopping for lights as well. But you carry on with your obsession about the cyclist. Do you get mad with drivers who ignore road rules?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are countless threads on here about how unjust speeding fines can be and how seedd cameras are unfair... People still get caught drink driving every day. And drug driving is increasingly more common now detection is easier. And don't even get me started on mobile use.

But yeah it's the cyclists thay are at fault by bot getting out of their way by using cycle paths that are causing all the road safety issues"

I appreciate how precarious a cyclist is on the road and sadly I see far more unsafe cycling and driving in my area than we should. On a daily basis there I'll see at least one instance per journey. In both cases they are fatalities waiting to happen.

I love cycling but I'm too afraid for my life to cycle round here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be "

Read about Alex McVitty

It was a clear June morning as she cycled along her usual route to work. A concrete mixer overtook her twice as she pedalled along London Wall. As she approached a road junction, the lorry turned left across her path and killed her in an instant.

She was not at fault. Lorries are not always perfectly driven just as cycles aren't perfectly ridden. Her Mum got an OBE for improving safety for cyclists and working with those cement companies.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't "

*some don't. Just like some car drivers. I do and a lot of cyclists I've seen around here do. In fact I can't think of any time where I've seen a cyclist run a red light round here. Maybe it's more if a city thing.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Why do people become lorry drivers? Why don't they get an other job that doesn't pollute and kill pedestrians?

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road.

To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!

Right, what's your point?

The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.

Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.

I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.

Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.

Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.

Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is

The point is that they are in the minority....cyclist without insurance or knowing the rules of the road are an unknown danger

They clearly aren't. You seem to know a lot about the dangers.

It all boils down to respect for road users at the end of the day. Some cyclists feel the need to ride aggressively to keep their road position as some car drivers think it's their god given right to use the road and no one else can. If there was just a little bit more respect and patience for everyone it would be a much better place.

Right, I've delayed it long enough, I'm off for a quick bike ride. "

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't "

Re undertaking, you might want to read up on that again.

As for undertakers, where you live is a waiting room for them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

PMSL why do we become Lorry driver how do you think stuff gets to you your food your clothing everything you use even your bike it comes on a Lorry lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Why do people become lorry drivers? Why don't they get an other job that doesn't pollute and kill pedestrians?"

But Clem my dear man... some lorry driver hold HGV/ LGV licences so they can drive lorries in convoys delivering humanitarian aid and equipment that helps improve the local habitat and environment where people are forced to live in locations that don't have road systems so everyone is basically pedestrian ......

Just thought I'd share that ,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"PMSL why do we become Lorry driver how do you think stuff gets to you your food your clothing everything you use even your bike it comes on a Lorry lol "

I don't think anyone was banning lorries it's a discussion about driving isn't it and cyclists.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"PMSL why do we become Lorry driver how do you think stuff gets to you your food your clothing everything you use even your bike it comes on a Lorry lol "

So stop moaning about other road users. You chose the career. Did they say "here's your lorry, i doubt you'll see anyone else on the road, so it should be an easy job. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will all change when everyone is forced to use driverless cars and rider less bicycles.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be "

Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you.

The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip.

Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass.

Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle.

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be

Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you.

The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip.

Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass.

Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle."

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be

Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you.

The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip.

Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass.

Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle."

True. I'm scared to ride on the road these days, i had a car clip my elbow. She was doing about 40 mph. Bright sunny day. I was wearing bright clothing with my rear light flashing away. Did she do it through hatred of cyclists? No, she just didn't see me. Probably because she was too old to be driving. There's no protection from a driver like that. And that terrifies me to be honest.

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By *XimagesCouple
over a year ago

north liverpool


"It will all change when everyone is forced to use driverless cars and rider less bicycles..... "

this made me giggle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Way too much generalisation going on here. There are dickhead cyclist, car drivers and lorry drivers. OP - Do you always drive to the exact letter of the law? Never get a touch close to the vehicle infront?

I cycle a lot (just got back from a lovely morning ride) but also drive a lot....can't say i'm completely perfect when I do either....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be

Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you.

The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip.

Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass.

Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle."

Well said Will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be

Read about Alex McVitty

It was a clear June morning as she cycled along her usual route to work. A concrete mixer overtook her twice as she pedalled along London Wall. As she approached a road junction, the lorry turned left across her path and killed her in an instant.

She was not at fault. Lorries are not always perfectly driven just as cycles aren't perfectly ridden. Her Mum got an OBE for improving safety for cyclists and working with those cement companies. "

There are load's of similar stories. I remember a guy killed near where I used to live in Hackney. Truck indicating to turn right at traffic lights tuneed left instead. Despite numerous witress statements and the diver admitting g he had indicated but then changed his mind and indicated to turn left instead ( something no witness could collaborate) the driver faced no charges

And I can cone up with many more examples.

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By *eistreMan
over a year ago

London/Norfolk


"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please

Of course we could talk about hgv's are involved in a disproportionate amount if pedestrian and cyclist fatalities if you like?"

Yep, we could. ......

You are 20 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured if you collide with an HGV/PCV rather than a car.

HGV/PCV male up 8% of road traffic but account for 20% of RTIs according to TfL.

7 out of 9 cyclist's deaths involve construction HGV.

These do not make for good statistics regardless. And blame is immaterial as there is someone dead and someone who lives with the consequences.

But both parties are to blame, HGV drivers may be frustrated at cyclists and may push their luck which is v.wrong. But cyclists are, at times their own worst enemy by not taking the mass of vehicle into consideration. Failure to understand blind spots, poor lane discipline, passing on the nearside of vehicles, poor, failure to comply with RTA-88 and TSRGD-2016, failure to use cycle lanes, not wearing helmets, little consideration for visibility or their own safety.

On the flipside, the HGV driver/operator works in one of the most regulated industries, has spent a fortune gaining his licence, undergoes regular assessments of his skills, must complete periodic professional development training, pays a fortune for insurances and VED/Road Levy, spends tens of thousands on extra equipment on safety equipment, is rigorously monitored, heavily controlled on his routing. ....and delivers literally everything we have ever owned or consumed.

The road is a shared resource which means that you have no greater right to be their and no less.

But many cyclists don't have, or don't care about their responsibilities to the road.

We all need to work and share the space, we should all do it properly and responsibly.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Why don't they bloody use them "

They knew you'd be on the road ?

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London

It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines "

Where is this in the Highway code? Must have missed it...

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By *uthTVDerbysTV/TS
over a year ago

Derby

Despite London centric hype from BBC state media. Britain is NOT a cycling nation. Cycling is hated not encouraged. Since cling lanes in non London towns and cities (and there are a few believe it or not) are nigh non existent. Despite the notion to ''Get Inspired'' by the 2012 UK Cycling Team Olympic results - this meaningless government bullshit skates around the fact that in the real (non London) world the state of our roads and lack of facilities for cyclists is a national joke. So nobody will risk life and limb to have a go. Only the experienced. Mad. Or immortal will be seen on the streets in reality. Most people are keen. Responsible and savvy. Then there the twats. The law-disregarders. And the twats. Of which you. Of which you get in all means of transport. Fat arsed drivers in their tin boxes. Non helmet wearing wankers jumping lights and crossing paths without indication. It'd all part of the mess we are in. We will never be Holland in a million years with their forward thinking infrastructure. And education on both sides re cyclists and drivers is non existent. So I'm afraid it's not going to improve. Cheers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines "

Ever heard of the primary position?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines "

Wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please "
why would they be risking their lives exactly are you short sighted need glasses but too vain to get them so you nearly run the cyclist over as a result ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cycle to work approximately 8 miles in a predominantly rural area, with the last 2 miles providing a cycle path.

In order to get to my work and avoid crossing a busy road section, I come off it for about 400 metres.

The abuse that's shouted at me is unbelievable. "Get on the path you c###" etc.

There's many reasons we're not on the path. If the 10 or so seconds inconvenience to a motorist, causes them such anguish, are they fit to hold a licence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't they bloody use them "

Too many cars in the cycle lanes?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines "

Wtf!

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Please tell me how a polystyrene hat will save me from being crushed by a 44 ton vehicle?

There are some people on here who really need to understand the difference between their personal prejudices & the actual law.

'undertaking'. Firstly, the Highway Code explicitly demands that drivers should expect cyclists on either side of their vehicle.

Also, ask yourself this, if it is illegal for cycles to 'undertake'* then why are on-road cycle lanes placed to the left hand side of the road?

*It is called filtering, & Is perfectly legal. Along with cycling two (or even more) abreast. Two abreast, Taking the Lane/Primary Position are all techniques taught by govt approved cycle training agencies including the Institute of Advanced Motorists. These techniques are taught for one reason, that cyclists are responsible for ensuring their own safety because the majority of drivers cannot be trusted to drive safely around more vulnerable road users.

Taylor V Goodwin 1879 grants cyclists the Common Law Right to use the entire width of the lane, incorporated into the Road Traffic Act 1988. It is that which forms the basis of Primary & Secondary road positions.

Cycling two-up is taught because it's safer, a correct overtake - as Rule 163 asks of drivers - means you should be pretty much wholly in the opposite lane to overtake. Riding two abreast makes that pass safer because the driver spends less time in the opposing lane.

You DO overtake as per HC rule 163 don't you?

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London

As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside.

Stay on the left!!

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside.

Stay on the left!!"

Unless you're turning right with your arm out ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In all honesty I have never seen an argument presented by a motorist on this topic thst doesn't boil down to why should I be inconvenienced by other road users "

Yep. Or any other topic thats about another road user.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More to the point, why don't they obey traffic lights or stop for zebra crossings?

Grrrr

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London


"That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken."

Primary position may be taught as the best for cyclists but it's not the best for road users. Cyclists are not the same as motorists and they shouldn't hinder traffic unless they can pedal at 30mph!!

Move to the side, let traffic past. If I wanted to get somewhere at 5mph, I'd be on a bike, not in a car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"More to the point, why don't they obey traffic lights or stop for zebra crossings?

Grrrr"

Most do. Or the ones I know do.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?

Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither. "

Plus most cyclists are also drivers and pay Vehicle Excise Duty and usr their bicycles meaning they pay more road tax per mile than a non cyclist because they are often not using their car but still paying.

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood

There a cycle path very near me, I'd rather use that when I can.

Although I ain't had my bike out in months due to being busy at work on long shifts

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London


"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside.

Stay on the left!!

Unless you're turning right with your arm out ? "

That's fine, it's about road positioning. Leave a gap to let motorists overtake or undertake you.

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?

Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither.

Plus most cyclists are also drivers and pay Vehicle Excise Duty and usr their bicycles meaning they pay more road tax per mile than a non cyclist because they are often not using their car but still paying.

"

I know LOADS of cyclists who don't have a car

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken.

Primary position may be taught as the best for cyclists but it's not the best for road users. Cyclists are not the same as motorists and they shouldn't hinder traffic unless they can pedal at 30mph!!

Move to the side, let traffic past. If I wanted to get somewhere at 5mph, I'd be on a bike, not in a car"

Utter nonsense.

Utter nonsense.

Cyclists are entitled to use the safest part of the road too.

Why should they be shoved into the gutter just so you can go a little quicker.

The speed limit is the top safe speed. Not the recommended speed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken.

Primary position may be taught as the best for cyclists but it's not the best for road users. Cyclists are not the same as motorists and they shouldn't hinder traffic unless they can pedal at 30mph!!

Move to the side, let traffic past. If I wanted to get somewhere at 5mph, I'd be on a bike, not in a car"

Out of interest do you consider yourself a safe road user?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as I'm concerned all road users bar pedestrian traffic are the ones creating the problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?

Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither.

Plus most cyclists are also drivers and pay Vehicle Excise Duty and usr their bicycles meaning they pay more road tax per mile than a non cyclist because they are often not using their car but still paying.

I know LOADS of cyclists who don't have a car"

But presumably that's in London where many non cyclists also realise owning a car is a bit pointless

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside.

Stay on the left!!

Unless you're turning right with your arm out ?

That's fine, it's about road positioning. Leave a gap to let motorists overtake or undertake you."

Or wait until it is safe for you to overtake when the cyclist is cycling safely too.

Holding you up is not unsafe unless you choose to do something stupid. That is not the cyclists fault.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?"

There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

Taylor V Goodwin 1879.

The court ruled that cycles are legally 'carriages' (as are motor carriages) and as such are legally entitled to use the full width of the lane.

Cyclists are traffic, get used to it.

There is a whole world of difference between your prejudice and what the Law states.

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London

I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them.

But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying.

You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside.

Stay on the left!!

Unless you're turning right with your arm out ?

That's fine, it's about road positioning. Leave a gap to let motorists overtake or undertake you."

You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them.

But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying.

You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do "

^^^^^^this is the trouble with half educated car users.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

No such thing as road tax, hasn't been since 1937

Are people really so wilfully ignorant they insist on paying a tax that hasn't been mandatory for some 80yrs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them.

But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying.

You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do "

You've said cyclists should rode in the gutter, dismissed the primary position as it doesn't suit you AND then say cyclists should be more considerate. What about you being more considerate?

Oh and if even a fraction of London s cycluster used cars instead the city would be gridlocked and the air pollution even worse

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London


"

You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? "

Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?

There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough "

I always slow, & shout ahead for permission to pass - that's probably because I'm terrified of horses though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car?

Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road"

Then you'll have to wait until it's safe to pass which is the entire point.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"

You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car?

Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road"

Then you are a dangerous overtaker. You SHOULD be using the opposite carriageway as per rule 163.

If the cyclist is taking Primary Position, that is the signal that it is too dangerous to overtake.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"

You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car?

Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road"

How would you overtake a car without going into the opposite lane?

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London

Even the cycling guide tells cyclists to move aside when the road is clear ahead and there's traffic behind them.

Holding up traffic because you want to isn't being considerate of other road users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?

There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough "

Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on.

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By *wo4FemCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding.

When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore?

Mr2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding.

When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore?

Mr2 "

It still exists.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them.

But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying.

You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do "

You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing.

You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car?

Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road"

Why not?

You do realise more and more police forces are fining moto rusts for close passes. And close is defined as less than 3 foot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

"

Wtf?

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding.

When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore?

Mr2 "

Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers.

It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

"

Stick to wanking.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

"

LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

"

As opposed to drink drovers, speeders, uninsured thay guy driving the refuse truck in Glasgow?

Are they cuts too?

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By *ndecidedMan
over a year ago

London


"

You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing.

You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else "

There's no road tax anymore? I wish darling but I don't have an electric car.

I don't mind the cyclists getting at the front cos they need to be there if they need to turn. But once on the straight and narrow, move aside for the faster traffic

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing.

You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else

There's no road tax anymore? I wish darling but I don't have an electric car.

I don't mind the cyclists getting at the front cos they need to be there if they need to turn. But once on the straight and narrow, move aside for the faster traffic"

I'm not your darling. No one pays road tax, it's vehicle excise duty and is based on the emissions of your car. Money for road repair and maintenance come from council tax.

Regardless of if they are going straight or turning cyclists are entitled to use that box at lights. Just because you font like it doesn't change that fact. They are acting within the law.

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By *mcouple1Couple
over a year ago

nr warrington


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

This

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By *wo4FemCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham


"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding.

When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore?

Mr2

Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers.

It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults."

Thank you for the update. You never hear of anything like bike ability happening around here. Maybe they need to bring it back into schools so that children can learn about how to ride safely and responsibly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a twice daily commute through London and the main culprits aren't the cyclists, but the cars, taxis, lorries, buses and pedestrians who don't seem to be able to look where they're going!

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By *illdeeCouple
over a year ago

nr Edinburgh


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? "

Used to be able to when it was a book, bit more difficult to whack a driver with the electronic version!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing.

You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else

There's no road tax anymore? I wish darling but I don't have an electric car.

I don't mind the cyclists getting at the front cos they need to be there if they need to turn. But once on the straight and narrow, move aside for the faster traffic"

Do you understand why ASLs are at traffic lights. It's because they are safer.not ti piss off motorists

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding.

When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore?

Mr2

Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers.

It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults.

Thank you for the update. You never hear of anything like bike ability happening around here. Maybe they need to bring it back into schools so that children can learn about how to ride safely and responsibly. "

Most Local Authorities offer it for free, have a look online in your local area, may well be courses on offer.

TBH I would advise it even for regular, adult cyclists as we are never to old to learn!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

This

"

Being dead is like being stupid. You have no concept of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?

There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough

Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on. "

Exactly this

In a group we'd always shout a warning/greeting but alone so many cyclists don't. I think we asumed albeit wrongly that it was the speed or mass of cyclists that was the issue

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By *homasP80Man
over a year ago

Linwood


"I have a twice daily commute through London and the main culprits aren't the cyclists, but the cars, taxis, lorries, buses and pedestrians who don't seem to be able to look where they're going! "

Yea, but be aware that when passing a lorry/bus they are huge vehicles and have blind spots that they can't see cyclists.

Also, be aware of bus/lorry turning as they need wide berth etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Make roads safer; drive on the pavement

I know, too soon

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Is the cycle lane well maintained? Some are covered in glass and debris so road cyclists are more likely to get punctures.

And the ones shared with pedestrians - the pedestrians often stray onto the cyclists side so you take your life in your hands trying to avoid them.

I get more frustrated with cyclists who use normal pavements to ride on and teenagers on scooters in shops as if that's perfectly normal. "

Or the pedestrian on their side, and their dog on the cycle path, connected by a trip wire!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I decided to teach my youngest daughter "road cycling" when she was six.

At the time we lived in St Helens. A hood place was taking her over the junction of the A570 and A580 (both dual carriageway roads with multiple lanes).

At the junction we always took up a safe position using the road space we were entitled to and not getting wedged up against the kerb in a dangerous position.

Pull away as quickly as possible and THEN move over to the left. It was great to see that within a few weeks of this she was confident enough to do this on her own.

Maybe motorists are/were more educated and less ignorant there than in London. Either way we/she never caused a problem or got any abuse.

Both cyclists and motorists need to simply stick to the sensible directions in the Highway Code.

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By *adyinred696969Couple
over a year ago

Brecon


"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?

There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough

Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on.

Exactly this

In a group we'd always shout a warning/greeting but alone so many cyclists don't. I think we asumed albeit wrongly that it was the speed or mass of cyclists that was the issue"

I own and ride a horse.

Horses have a deep-seated "prey animal" instinct, which means that anything, and I do mean anything, can spook them, and as has been mentioned, most horses are over half a ton, imagine trying to hold on to that when it gets scared and decides it wants to go!

At least when a vehicle, of any description, is coming, you can hear it, and be prepared, not so with cyclists, meaning the first you know sometimes is when they flash past you... imagine what the horse thinks when something brightly coloured, moving at speed and very quiet flashes into view!!

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By *eistreMan
over a year ago

London/Norfolk


"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines "

Theres is no stipulation as to where any road user is required to take a position within their land, including cyclists.

They are advised:-

- Not to ride more than 2 abreast

- If they can keep with the flow of traffic then adopt a full lane position

- Ride single file on narrow lanes

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"

Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this

Most cyclists are cunts....

ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop

They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users

As opposed to drink drovers, speeders, uninsured thay guy driving the refuse truck in Glasgow?

Are they cuts too?"

Indeed they are.. but worse obviously

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By *eistreMan
over a year ago

London/Norfolk


"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?!

And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers?

Used to be able to when it was a book, bit more difficult to whack a driver with the electronic version! "

Paper copies are available at all good stockists in the High St and online for £2.50 of your finest beer tokens; and updated on a regular basis, last official release in 2015 in celebration of 80 years of the first driving test though someone said there's a 2017 version, but I think that'll be an AA version which is released usually 2 years from the TSO release ....

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already "

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?"

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "

Maybe a link to the amount of accidents caused by cyclists? Or fatalities? You must have some thing to back up this claim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "

What about witnesses, cctv, police reports?

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points

Maybe a link to the amount of accidents caused by cyclists? Or fatalities? You must have some thing to back up this claim?"

It's not a claim it's a perception on the risk and the facts available are based in their lack of accountability, therefore encouraging them to behave more irresponsibly. Having driven for a number of years, it's my view or opinion.

I will look into some numbers for you though

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale


"

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "

Several studies incl TfL & DfT ones, plus the latest from West Mids Police - who are the accepted leaders in this field & teach other forces Nationwide - all say the same thing. That in vehicle/cycle collisions it's the motorist who is overwhelmingly at fault. West Mids Police put the figure at 98% culpability on the part of the driver, so your belief is both erroneous & unfounded in actual evidence.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


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You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car?

Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road"

Tough. It's the law. Deal with it.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


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The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "

Most cyclists have insurance.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding.

When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore?

Mr2

Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers.

It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults.

Thank you for the update. You never hear of anything like bike ability happening around here. Maybe they need to bring it back into schools so that children can learn about how to ride safely and responsibly. "

You don't hear about it.

Does not mean it doesn't happen.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?

There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough

Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on.

Exactly this

In a group we'd always shout a warning/greeting but alone so many cyclists don't. I think we asumed albeit wrongly that it was the speed or mass of cyclists that was the issue

I own and ride a horse.

Horses have a deep-seated "prey animal" instinct, which means that anything, and I do mean anything, can spook them, and as has been mentioned, most horses are over half a ton, imagine trying to hold on to that when it gets scared and decides it wants to go!

At least when a vehicle, of any description, is coming, you can hear it, and be prepared, not so with cyclists, meaning the first you know sometimes is when they flash past you... imagine what the horse thinks when something brightly coloured, moving at speed and very quiet flashes into view!! "

Why do you insist on taking horses on to locations which are, as you have shown, manifestly unsuitable?

The difference between a vehicle and a horse is that you can control a vehicle and it doesn't get scared by perfectly reasonable actions and cause profound danger as a result.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


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The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points

Maybe a link to the amount of accidents caused by cyclists? Or fatalities? You must have some thing to back up this claim?

It's not a claim it's a perception on the risk and the facts available are based in their lack of accountability, therefore encouraging them to behave more irresponsibly. Having driven for a number of years, it's my view or opinion.

I will look into some numbers for you though "

It is indeed opinion. It is nothing more and I suggest it is demonstrably wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why don't they bloody use them "

lol...dude ain't you heard, it's all a great big conspiracy just to piss you off.

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By *mcouple1Couple
over a year ago

nr warrington

I used to cycle but then I stopped being a teenager and stopped playing out on them. The best thing to do to stop yourself being injured is to work harder earn more money and buy a car. But if you still want to cycle go down the park with your mates. Perhaps you could build a ramp and jump off it or see who can leave the longest skid mark off their back wheel.

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


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The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle

My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping.

I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws.

Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already

Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?

Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points

Several studies incl TfL & DfT ones, plus the latest from West Mids Police - who are the accepted leaders in this field & teach other forces Nationwide - all say the same thing. That in vehicle/cycle collisions it's the motorist who is overwhelmingly at fault. West Mids Police put the figure at 98% culpability on the part of the driver, so your belief is both erroneous & unfounded in actual evidence."

West Midlands police represent the whole uk on statitics ? Ok then

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside.

Stay on the left!!"

I guess your happy for motorbikes to filter through stationary traffic?

If you are passing correctly then there should be no cars in the right lane coming towards you and you will be in the other lane anyway.

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