FabSwingers.com forum: The McCans (again)

By *i tor and the snowdog OP Couple
over a year ago

walsall/coventry

Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I switched off from this years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there are many people who show them sympathy. Especially some local people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont know how any sympathy can be shown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps more deserving of our sympathy is a small girl who has either list her life or the life she should have had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just doesn't add up ...feel for the poor child at the centre of this ....as a parent I feel nothing for those two ,sorry if that offends but it's true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should be shown the insides of jail cells.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how can they possibly make money from it?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope "

I agree. Why isn't someone asking the questions that the public would ask them.

I can't bear watch them on the telly or read news paper articles about Maddie anymore.

So much money spent in trying to find her. What about all the other children that have gone missing ? Who is looking for them ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people believe they sold her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched the special thing the other night Maddy 10 years on i love how they worded everything. And yes the McCann's should be held accountable for Maddy's disappearance x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope

I agree. Why isn't someone asking the questions that the public would ask them.

I can't bear watch them on the telly or read news paper articles about Maddie anymore.

So much money spent in trying to find her. What about all the other children that have gone missing ? Who is looking for them ?

Unless certain media people are in on it. I've heard about some specific paedophile/human traffic rings which consist of some pretty key figures in our society.

I don't read or watch any news these days. Past caring about things I cannot change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why waste money suing the ass off people who criticise them with money that was donated by the public to help find Maddie ? Mortgage paid off by the same fund ? This case can be solved this afternoon simply by that sleazy pair telling the truth.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

wonder how the other children cope

after all it was their sister and could so easily have been them

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By *atcherwankerMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I read an article the other day, something along the lines of "48 questions the McCanns refused to answer" it seems they refused to answer a single question the police asked, because they "were being treated like suspects." How mature.

Anyway, the point I'm getting at, is that two of the questions referred to a hire car they rented a month after the disappearance. Now without context I could potentially be misinterpreting, but it seemed very clear that A: a cadaver dog detected the scent of a dead body in the boot of this car. B: there was blood found in the boot, which DNA tests confirmed was the blood of the missing girl.

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read an article the other day, something along the lines of "48 questions the McCanns refused to answer" it seems they refused to answer a single question the police asked, because they "were being treated like suspects." How mature.

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter."

Was this reported in the official files/reports from the police ?

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By *.1079Man
over a year ago

caistor

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,"

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Was this reported in the official files/reports from the police ?"

No. The official police reports stated that it was likely not to be Madeline, but because Madeline's DNA is, in a nutshell, half her mother's, half her father's, that's what triggered a response.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Was this reported in the official files/reports from the police ?

No. The official police reports stated that it was likely not to be Madeline, but because Madeline's DNA is, in a nutshell, half her mother's, half her father's, that's what triggered a response. "

Do you know what reports it is written in as all i can find that says that are newspaper claims !

I have read the official reports, well i thought i had, and dont remember seeing that mentioned !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Was this reported in the official files/reports from the police ?

No. The official police reports stated that it was likely not to be Madeline, but because Madeline's DNA is, in a nutshell, half her mother's, half her father's, that's what triggered a response.

Do you know what reports it is written in as all i can find that says that are newspaper claims !

I have read the official reports, well i thought i had, and dont remember seeing that mentioned !"

Scotland yard sounds pretty official to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As with most things in life. If you don't know what you don't know you should probably stick to talking about shit you should know about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As always my primary thoughts are with the welfare and wellbeing of the child and failing that situation being relevant I hope her suffering was brief and decisive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole thing is horrible and in probably 20 years time the truth will come out what ever that truth is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no clue whether they were involved in her disappearance or not but at the time before having had kids I couldn't understand how you could leave kids their age like they did. Now I have one of my own I understand it even less.

And I agree with the suggestions that if they were working class they probably would have been done for neglect.

A part of me hopes she was stolen and is now living in blissful ignorance somewhere. Unlikely but about the best car scenario.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Was this reported in the official files/reports from the police ?

No. The official police reports stated that it was likely not to be Madeline, but because Madeline's DNA is, in a nutshell, half her mother's, half her father's, that's what triggered a response.

Do you know what reports it is written in as all i can find that says that are newspaper claims !

I have read the official reports, well i thought i had, and dont remember seeing that mentioned !

Scotland yard sounds pretty official to me

I will have to take your word for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As with most things in life. If you don't know what you don't know you should probably stick to talking about shit you should know about"

I agree.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope "

I'd expect the Pope to show compassion to everyone.

I feel sympathy towards them and all families of missing children and adults.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Burn the Witch!!!

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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on the one hand they have lost their child, i'm sure any sane person would sympathise with anyone who loses a child.

on the other they didn't lose their child perse, they neglected it and it got taken. now there is another effect to their plight, they are child neglectors who could be seen as the cause of that child disappearing.

simple enough to work out really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel sympathy. And I'm rather shocked at some of the abhorrent stances. Sadly some people forget their indiscretions when judging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Rented a month later.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Was this reported in the official files/reports from the police ?

No. The official police reports stated that it was likely not to be Madeline, but because Madeline's DNA is, in a nutshell, half her mother's, half her father's, that's what triggered a response. "

Awwe fuck, don't go spoiling conspiracy theories with facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no nastiness from me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With money, you can get away with anything. I feel sympathy to the child as she might live with another identity in a safe house, afrika is just over the sea and a quick getaway from the crime scene.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't.

They must regret that they did it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?. "

Definitely not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?. "

Exactly! No sympathy for those two bastards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never have left my kids either, But and it is a big but does that entitle them to the gnawing all consuming guilt they feel every waking hour ever since.To know they were not there when they were needed........Oh and it was someone else who did the deed so how can all this hate be aimed only at two people who are in despair . Have some empathy x

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By *erts NNCouple
over a year ago

Hertfordshire

I am a massive follower of this story and have read and watched lots on the subject and I can only believe the facts of the story.

1, there is no evidence what so ever of a burglary.

2, world leading expert sniffer dogs were flown in due to the high profile of the case and they both independently detected blood and the scent of death in the hotel room, wardrobe, hire car and Kate's clothes.

3, the find Maddy charity isn't a charity but actually And PLC company which cash is used to prosecute and defend their theory/story

4, there is only one victim the poor missing girl not the parents.

What I really unlike about the case is constant stories coming into public via the media which never materialise into anything and only ever seem to try and convince the public there was an outside force at play not foul play by people who were close to her.

Whatever your _iew on the McCanns in favour or not the book/documentary they spent millions to stop publication by the leading detective is worth reading because it's base on pure facts from the case. It's good to see both sides

These are just my thoughts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would never have left my kids either, But and it is a big but does that entitle them to the gnawing all consuming guilt they feel every waking hour ever since.To know they were not there when they were needed........Oh and it was someone else who did the deed so how can all this hate be aimed only at two people who are in despair . Have some empathy x"

Empathy is one thing I have.....

But no one knows 100% what happened in that apartment that night. So how can you say it was someone else? Unless you happened to be there which i very much doubt.

Until a suspect is charged sorry but they also are suspects.

They made a informed choice that night like they previously had whilst on holiday, if you read safeguarding policies this case does fall under neglect.

Maddies dad would have known this as much as they are hurting and grieving they should have been accountable like so many other families are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents."

And I feel terrible for the other children they have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents.

And I feel terrible for the other children they have. "

As in the parents are a risk to them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a massive follower of this story and have read and watched lots on the subject and I can only believe the facts of the story.

1, there is no evidence what so ever of a burglary.

3, the find Maddy charity isn't a charity but actually And PLC company which cash is used to prosecute and defend their theory/story

4, there is only one victim the poor missing girl not the parents.

These are just my thoughts.

Have you read the actual original police files ?

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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the claims that they are culpable are because some people think they did it also. they think they purposely left their kids alone so that at least one could be taken.

i dunno what happened, i wasn't there. i honestly don't feel much empathy at all because i don't even know this family so they don't really affect me. and i think many people will feel that way, they really don't care coz they can't do anything about it and they also don't even know the family...so the next step for many is when this case gets shoved in their face, into their personal space (which the media regularly does), they get pissed off and think what is the point in caring when the parents themselves didn't really care and neglected their own kids in the first place.

and that is what people do, they rationalise things that don't make sense to them to a degree where it doesn't affect them so much. like i am posting here but feel nothing at all really. no hate, no giving a shit, nothing. some parent failed their own kid and there was a consequence to that that does not affect me in any way at all.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents."

They've successfully sued multiple newspapers for printing misinformation and untrue statements about the case. It's very hard for untrained people to form an objective judgement. Some trained people have formed their own judgement.

I don't know what to believe because i am not trained, nor do i have all the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?. "

I wouldn't but neither would I allow a 21 month old child to wander in and out of my house unsupervised for long enough to (probably) get run over by a digger as Ben Needhams grand parents did. The investigation into his disappearance 25 years ago was finally closed last year.

I feel deeply sorry for both these families.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it. "

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story."

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's something they've got to live with for the rest of their lives. It would be my worst nightmare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the claims that they are culpable are because some people think they did it also. they think they purposely left their kids alone so that at least one could be taken.

Its sad if people do feel like that.

I do care about this case. I care very much because a young child has been missing for ten years. I am upset that her parents left them alone. I am upset for her siblings.

Maybe i care more because i live in the same community as them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents.

I don't know what to believe because i am not trained, nor do i have all the facts. "

We have enough facts to safely say there's something that doesn't add up. For example the police dogs twice identifying the McCann's hire car amongst a group of other cars as a source of cadaver scent.

Also the traces of blood found in it.

Also the inconsistencies of stories about how the apartment was secured and the movements of the Tapas 7.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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the claims that they are culpable are because some people think they did it also. they think they purposely left their kids alone so that at least one could be taken.

Its sad if people do feel like that.

I do care about this case. I care very much because a young child has been missing for ten years. I am upset that her parents left them alone. I am upset for her siblings.

Maybe i care more because i live in the same community as them."

it's not sad to me, it could come across as heartless maybe but i just don't see the point in caring about something i can do nothing about (primarily) and the people themselves don't affect me, it's unlikely my children would be taken in the same way, this case does not interfere with my life in any way other than it gets shoved in my face occasionally -and there is still nothing i can do about it every time this happens and it still is unlikely my on kids will get taken in the same way, etc. it's basically a non-entity.

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

After studying all the evidence there is only one conclusion any sane rational person can make . It is that the child died in the apartment and the parents disposed of the body . There have been people convicted on far less evidence . It is a lesson in how people of status and power with friends in high places can circumvent the due process of law

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes."

There are two possibilities that are most likely:

1. Their daughter was taken, which still could have happened if they were in the apartment - see the case of 'Elizabeth Smart' to find out how

2. As trained medical professionals they were over confident with giving madaline something to make her sleep. In a medically enduced drowsiness, Madaline killed herself in an accident. Then there was a cover up so the remaining kids wouldn't get taken away.

In neither case did the parents intend any harm, they made bad judgement but i would have synpathy in both scenarios. If every parent who exercised bad judgement at some point had this happen to them then we'd all steralise ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After studying all the evidence there is only one conclusion any sane rational person can make . It is that the child died in the apartment and the parents disposed of the body . There have been people convicted on far less evidence . It is a lesson in how people of status and power with friends in high places can circumvent the due process of law "

We'd agree

Our only gripe is how did they hide the body so well in such a short space of time? At least well enough so they could move it later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there's a strong possibility that Crime Scene investigators did examine the scene. People should stop speculating with such ridiculous claims with no credible facts to substantiate their claims.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes.

There are two possibilities that are most likely:

1. Their daughter was taken, which still could have happened if they were in the apartment - see the case of 'Elizabeth Smart' to find out how

Our son drank Jif while I was in the same room as him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents.

And I feel terrible for the other children they have.

As in the parents are a risk to them?"

As in poor kids they will always be obershoweded by their sister

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Something isn't right in the case, there's many hints of foul play by the parents.

I don't know what to believe because i am not trained, nor do i have all the facts.

Also the traces of blood found in it.

Also the inconsistencies of stories about how the apartment was secured and the movements of the Tapas 7."

There's a reason dogs / lie detectors / statement analysis isn't allowed in court. Traumatised people make inconsistent statements and change their story over time, that's just a feature of psychology.

You need to remember sample bias. Child disappearances are rare events and for a reason. You can't expect to look at rare events and get a clear cut picture and judge them but normal standards.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Rational people understand the limitations of knowledge and would express an uncertainty with a probability. If you want to say you are 99% certain of that case then fine, but it's a patent logical fallacy talk in terms of 0% or 100%.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes.

There are two possibilities that are most likely:

1. Their daughter was taken, which still could have happened if they were in the apartment - see the case of 'Elizabeth Smart' to find out how

As a trained medical professional if he did give Maddie medication to make her sleep he should be hung drawn and quartered its as simple as that. Bust.... his other children should have been taken into the care of social services and he should face the gmc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing i think the parents are guilty of is leaving 3 young children alone while they went out for dinner.

I have no idea who took or killed maddie.

I have read official files from the case plus endless other 'facts' written about it but i still have no idea who is guilty.

I dont think its her parents. I dont think they come across very well and because of that many people dont have any sympathy for them which doesnt help them. I am sure that they regret leaving their children that night. Im sure they would do anything to alter that. I feel sad for Maddie and her siblings and the parents.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes.

There are two possibilities that are most likely:

1. Their daughter was taken, which still could have happened if they were in the apartment - see the case of 'Elizabeth Smart' to find out how

Ok and given that we have professionals to do a version of what you said, they've looked at it and they didn't charge them - what does that tell you?

All these alternative events boil down to conspiracy theories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes.

There are two possibilities that are most likely:

1. Their daughter was taken, which still could have happened if they were in the apartment - see the case of 'Elizabeth Smart' to find out how

Ok and given that we have professionals to do a version of what you said, they've looked at it and they didn't charge them - what does that tell you?

All these alternative events boil down to conspiracy theories. "

Hang on I asked how many people would leave children like they did....many said no they wouldn't. And as i said if you read safeguarding guidelines what they did is classed as neglect. So why haven't authorities done something about it.

Perhaps if they hadn't left their children this wouldn't have happened so they Have to hold a element of responsibility in all of it.

I wasn't aware till I read your commemt there were conspiracies about her being drugged.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"As a parent I feel sorry for them. They fucked up big time, and they'll never be allowed to forget it.

A quick google search shows there are many many cases of parents leaving their kids alone to go on holiday / clubbing / out. But nobody remembers their name because there's nothing more to the story.

Yep! Going back to your mistake comments on another thread I think this has to be a prime example of a mistaken decision making that resulted in the worst of all possible outcomes.

There are two possibilities that are most likely:

1. Their daughter was taken, which still could have happened if they were in the apartment - see the case of 'Elizabeth Smart' to find out how

Ok and given that we have professionals to do a version of what you said, they've looked at it and they didn't charge them - what does that tell you?

All these alternative events boil down to conspiracy theories.

Perhaps if they hadn't left their children this wouldn't have happened so they Have to hold a element of responsibility in all of it.

I wasn't aware till I read your commemt there were conspiracies about her being drugged."

Nobody is going to admit they would leave a child but as i say, do a quick google search and you'll find it's not so rare. If they had stayed in the apartment it would have reduced the probability she would have been taken but not eliminated it. Of course they have responsibility but it doesn't mean we can't have empathy with people who have fucked up and lost a child as a result of it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I've mentioned this on these threads before. In the 60s and 70s it was the practice in holiday camps to leave children and babies alone in chalets while red or blue coats walked round listening. Nobody knew the history of the red/blue coats and there was potential for all kinds of accidents to happen.

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over a year ago

"I've mentioned this on these threads before. In the 60s and 70s it was the practice in holiday camps to leave children and babies alone in chalets while red or blue coats walked round listening. Nobody knew the history of the red/blue coats and there was potential for all kinds of accidents to happen. "

Im the 90/00's the only company that did this were mark warner who were infact running the complex in pria de luz by this time all staff would have had CRB checks.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Im the 90/00's the only company that did this were mark warner who were infact running the complex in pria de luz by this time all staff would have had CRB checks.

CRB or DBS checks as they're called now weren't introduced until 2002.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine how many comments would be on this thread if:

1.you actually had to of read the offical reports. News papers don't count.

2. You could only state facts.

From what I've read above there's 3 maybe 4.

And am going into business selling foil hats and pitchforks.

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over a year ago

I have read the official reports. Plus lots of other reports about the case.

I dont take any notice of newspapers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back in 1992 I was a children's rep overseas. The company had confirmation from the local constabulary I had no criminal convictions before they flew me out to resort.

It was done by a letter as crb wasn't around.

I actually wasn't allowed to drive for two seasons as i had 3 points for speeding.

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By *i tor and the snowdog OP Couple
over a year ago

walsall/coventry

"As with most things in life. If you don't know what you don't know you should probably stick to talking about shit you should know about"

What a ridiculous post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Imagine how many comments would be on this thread if:

1.you actually had to of read the offical reports. News papers don't count.

2. You could only state facts.

From what I've read above there's 3 maybe 4.

And am going into business selling foil hats and pitchforks. "

It's called a debate in a public forum. We're allowed to speculate & discuss - be that facts or otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps more deserving of our sympathy is a small girl who has either list her life or the life she should have had.

This.

Seeing her pictures makes me feel sad for her.

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By *all and ChainWoman
over a year ago

Truro

1/ at the very ***LEAST*** they are as culpable as the person so leaves a neat stack of 5 grand in £50's in plain _iew on the dashboard of their car while they wander off for a meal and drinkies for several hours.

2/ unlike the sink estate / trailer park white trash we hear about, the McCanns were always educated and solvent and well connected, so there is less excuse for them than there is for some scum from a sink estate who is the 3rd generation on the dole... a lot lot less.

3/ bollocks to madeline mcann, her own parents didn't give a shit so neither do I, what bothers me / us is this, literally TENS OF MILLIONS OF POUNDS have been spent on this "case" while, from my own area only and just off the top of my head, no googling to make a point, we have Genette Tate and Kate Bushell, also small girls, also no trace, no info, no nada, so how many other actual really happened cases got filed in the round filing cabinet because the bloody macanns bullshit used up all the money, year, after year, after year, for ten fucking years now.

Friends and parents and relatives of Genette Tate and Kate Bushell (and probably hundreds of others) get to die a little more every time the fucking mcanns are spread all over the media, while their own missing get all the attention of last weeks fish and chip wrappings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a very sad story...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Imagine how many comments would be on this thread if:

1.you actually had to of read the offical reports. News papers don't count.

2. You could only state facts.

From what I've read above there's 3 maybe 4.

And am going into business selling foil hats and pitchforks."
The case is still open

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over a year ago

"The whole thing is horrible and in probably 20 years time the truth will come out what ever that truth is "

I don't think the truth will ever come out. Unless one of the parents crack

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over a year ago

"Imagine how many comments would be on this thread if:

1.you actually had to of read the offical reports. News papers don't count.

2. You could only state facts.

From what I've read above there's 3 maybe 4.

And am going into business selling foil hats and pitchforks.

It's called a debate in a public forum. We're allowed to speculate & discuss - be that facts or otherwise."

Yes I find the poorly informed shout the loudest too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Imagine how many comments would be on this thread if:

1.you actually had to of read the offical reports. News papers don't count.

2. You could only state facts.

From what I've read above there's 3 maybe 4.

And am going into business selling foil hats and pitchforks.The case is still open"

I missed the bit were I disputed that.

Wanna foil hat? Or a pitchfork?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Imagine how many comments would be on this thread if:

1.you actually had to of read the offical reports. News papers don't count.

2. You could only state facts.

From what I've read above there's 3 maybe 4.

And am going into business selling foil hats and pitchforks.The case is still open

I missed the bit were I disputed that.

Wanna foil hat? Or a pitchfork?"
lol it is closed in england, cos of tax payers moneys, but open in portugal.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

I thought he made a decent dr who, so i was surprised when they went with christopher ecclestone for the reboot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still hope daily that somewhere in the world that gorgeous girl will tug the sleeve of a Policeman to tell him " I'm Madeline "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

to this...

and the money didn't go on cheap lawyers either. I worked across the road from the well known law firm they used at the beginning. on their first visit we were given specific instructions by the police not to leave our premises at specific times as they wee getting an official escort to and from their meeting "to protect their privacy". well a grand entrance flanked by 4 police bikes of the type normally reserved for heads of state certainly wasn't that...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

It doesn't make it right just because it happened...just like leaving three children under 4 in an apartment while you go drinking/ eating every night is not right.

As a parent it isn't something I would have done

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It doesn't make it right just because it happened...just like leaving three children under 4 in an apartment while you go drinking/ eating every night is not right.

As a parent it isn't something I would have done"

I agree it doesn't make it right. I wouldn't do it either. But it happened then and I bet it happens still.

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over a year ago

"1/ at the very ***LEAST*** they are as culpable as the person so leaves a neat stack of 5 grand in £50's in plain _iew on the dashboard of their car while they wander off for a meal and drinkies for several hours.

The parents of any missing child can use whatever means they have to keep the public aware of their child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parents of any missing child can use whatever means they have to keep the public aware of their child."

but what about using the money raised to pay off their mortgage?? Shows where there priorities were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The parents of any missing child can use whatever means they have to keep the public aware of their child.

but what about using the money raised to pay off their mortgage?? Shows where there priorities were"

I wasnt meaning Maddies parents. I also wasnt talking about money. What i meant was that any parent of a missing child can use various ways of keeping the public aware of them.

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

What I cannot understand is why you would go out and not lock the door,

If you left your wallet or say camera equipment in there you would lock the door,you have left the three most things dear to you in there and you leave it open it does not make sense ,

It has been said before if they had come off a council estate the papers would have had a field day and they would have ended in prison,

At the end of the day a lovely little girl went missing for no reason,I hope she is a live somewhere .

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over a year ago

"What I cannot understand is why you would go out and not lock the door,

If you left your wallet or say camera equipment in there you would lock the door,you have left the three most things dear to you in there and you leave it open it does not make sense ,

It has been said before if they had come off a council estate the papers would have had a field day and they would have ended in prison,

At the end of the day a lovely little girl went missing for no reason,I hope she is a live somewhere .

I have always wondered about their reasons for not locking the door.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"What I cannot understand is why you would go out and not lock the door,

If you left your wallet or say camera equipment in there you would lock the door,you have left the three most things dear to you in there and you leave it open it does not make sense ,

It has been said before if they had come off a council estate the papers would have had a field day and they would have ended in prison,

At the end of the day a lovely little girl went missing for no reason,I hope she is a live somewhere .

I have always wondered about their reasons for not locking the door."

Pure guess here but they were with friends all checking on each others kids in the various apartments. They probably couldn't be arsed to pass keys / key cards around and left it open so their friends could get in and check when they checked their own kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them."

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

I agree with you

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"What I cannot understand is why you would go out and not lock the door,

If you left your wallet or say camera equipment in there you would lock the door,you have left the three most things dear to you in there and you leave it open it does not make sense ,

It has been said before if they had come off a council estate the papers would have had a field day and they would have ended in prison,

At the end of the day a lovely little girl went missing for no reason,I hope she is a live somewhere .

I have always wondered about their reasons for not locking the door."

If I was leaving small children alone in a house or a car (I wouldn't but if I did) I would leave it unlocked so they could get out if it caught fire.

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over a year ago

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

So why use some of the money to pay off their mortgage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

So why use some of the money to pay off their mortgage?

Not sure, earning money and paying off their mortgage doesn't concern me. Perhaps they did that as they cannot now earn a living in a normal world that they had made for themselves?

Perhaps paying off their mortgage helps them spend more time trying to find out what happened to their daughter.

If I lost a child god forbid does that mean I'd have to stop earning? Or paying off part of my mortgage? Would I not be entitled to give my side of the story if I'd been wrongly accused and had books made about me and my family?

It's not illegal to write a book and make money is it? Does that mean they are guilty?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

So why use some of the money to pay off their mortgage?

I don't know why they did that. Could it have been to ensure the other children had a roof over their heads? Could it have been a cynical move to profit off the back of their daughters disappearance? Nobody knows for sure

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope "

I don't hold them responsible for their daughter's disappearance.

I don't wish them ill.

I would like a happy ending to this case.

We tend not to hear of those with compassion for them. We tend only to hear from baying , bloodthirsty and judgemental opinion. You know, the type of comment that sells papers and air time.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

So why use some of the money to pay off their mortgage?

It keeps cropping up this idea. As far as I am aware they did not , 'Pay off their mortgage.' ....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I don't add to their pain by speculating. They carry that everyday for the decision they made.

I hope she is found,

They carry it every day as well as the millions they have made out of it. They should have been sent down for child neglect years ago and the other two kids should have been taken off them.

I agree they were bad parents that evening but don't deserve what happened, nobody does!

As for making millions, well, it was the only way to continue the case, the search. That doesn't come cheap!

The McCanns made money in the hope it would help them find or at least find out what happened to their daughter.

I know parents who have left 11 year old children at home to have a night out. To me that's bad parenting but they don't deserve to have their child taken or worse!

I agree that they should be somehow held accountable but I don't believe they covered up the death or disappearance of their daughter!

All about opinions I guess! I'm sure I'll get slaughtered for mine as it's not the same as most others on here.

So why use some of the money to pay off their mortgage?

It keeps cropping up this idea. As far as I am aware they did not , 'Pay off their mortgage.' .... "

The most information I can find is that they asked for two monthly instalments. After they were made suspect they didn't ask for and weren't given any more. It was because neither of them were working at the time.

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over a year ago

I dont think it matters what they did with their mortgage. They could have already paid a lot of it off before Maddie went missing.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I have always wondered about their reasons for not locking the door.

If I was leaving small children alone in a house or a car (I wouldn't but if I did) I would leave it unlocked so they could get out if it caught fire.

I think that makes things worse for me if that is the reason why people wouldn't lock doors, the person has realised anything could happen including a fire and is still going to leave them anyway.

In the Mcganns case I think it is probably the reason up there, to save the people who were checking needing to take too much time away from their socialising by unlocking and locking doors

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over a year ago

I have always wondered about their reasons for not locking the door.

If I was leaving small children alone in a house or a car (I wouldn't but if I did) I would leave it unlocked so they could get out if it caught fire.

I think that makes things worse for me if that is the reason why people wouldn't lock doors, the person has realised anything could happen including a fire and is still going to leave them anyway.

In the Mcganns case I think it is probably the reason up there, to save the people who were checking needing to take too much time away from their socialising by unlocking and locking doors"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could only find reference to them using £4k for mortgage installments, I'm dubious about the claims that they used the money to pay off their mortgage.

The only person that knows for certain what happened that night is the person(s) that made her disappear, as far as I can see anything else is speculation. I've said before that something doesn't add up about this case, but it doesn't help that so much conspiracy and rumour is mixed up with the facts.

I don't know why, but I struggle to find much empathy with the parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reading a paper the other day which reported that the bill so far for this investigation. Is at the £11M mark.

If he McCanns accept help from our police then they should be subject to our laws. Our law states that it is not illegal to leave a child at home while you go out as long as that child comes to no harm. If the child comes to harm in your absence then you are guilty of neglect.

They are clearly guilty as should be dealt with the same way as any other person. Because they are high profile couple they get away with it. Had this of happened to Joe bloggs, a builder from Yorkshire there wouldn't be half as much publicity.

I have my own opinion on what actually happened but it's just my opinion. Will we ever get the true facts? I doubt it

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I have always wondered about their reasons for not locking the door.

If I was leaving small children alone in a house or a car (I wouldn't but if I did) I would leave it unlocked so they could get out if it caught fire.

I think that makes things worse for me if that is the reason why people wouldn't lock doors, the person has realised anything could happen including a fire and is still going to leave them anyway.

In the Mcganns case I think it is probably the reason up there, to save the people who were checking needing to take too much time away from their socialising by unlocking and locking doors"

Yep. I absolutely think they were wrong to leave those children with the door locked or not. I agree that thinking through all the possibilities of what could go wrong and STILL walking away to dinner was wrong and unbelievably naive. They were stupid and selfish. We won't even leave the flaming cat alone for longer than a working day. I still feel sorry for them though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading a paper the other day which reported that the bill so far for this investigation. Is at the £11M mark.

I have my own opinion on what actually happened but it's just my opinion. Will we ever get the true facts? I doubt it"

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I have to be honest and say I am half and half....if they had nothing to do with it then my gut is still saying what the fuck were you doing leaving those kids on their own so me feeling sorry for them is being blocked by that. Then I think if they had nothing to do with it they must be going through hell.

Obviously if they had something to do then they should rot.

As no one knows what happened then there shouldn't be any surprise that everyone has an opinion on it and not just on here.

When people talk about them not having been nicked for leaving their kids, nothing ever seems to be mentioned of the fact that the other couples had left their children too on the same nights

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it."

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?"

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training.

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?"

If it was in the UK I'd hope the law would have the book at them.

They would also wouldn't have legally been able to cash in on the crime!

The only victim in this crime is Maddie. Poor kid. I also feel sorry for her siblings having to grow up with this

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Reading a paper the other day which reported that the bill so far for this investigation. Is at the £11M mark.

I have my own opinion on what actually happened but it's just my opinion. Will we ever get the true facts? I doubt it

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it."

Yes, British people are subject to British law even when they travel abroad. That's why Gary Glitter is in prison right now.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

If it was in the UK I'd hope the law would have the book at them.

They would also wouldn't have legally been able to cash in on the crime!

The only victim in this crime is Maddie. Poor kid. I also feel sorry for her siblings having to grow up with this"

How is she the only victim ? There must be a wide range of people affected.

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

If it was in the UK I'd hope the law would have the book at them.

They would also wouldn't have legally been able to cash in on the crime!

The only victim in this crime is Maddie. Poor kid. I also feel sorry for her siblings having to grow up with this

How is she the only victim ? There must be a wide range of people affected. "

What? To the same degree?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I think my attitude to this might be influenced by our daughter running away from home when she was 15.

You question what it was you did that caused her to go and undoubtedly there were things I could have done differently. I know it isn't directly comparable but what both of us felt in the time she was gone was so awful, the conversations with the police (who were excellent)so surreal and deeply upsetting and the effect on any other children who also blame themselves so dreadful that I can't help feeling sorry for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reading a paper the other day which reported that the bill so far for this investigation. Is at the £11M mark.

I have my own opinion on what actually happened but it's just my opinion. Will we ever get the true facts? I doubt it

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it."

My argument there would be . . If they aren't subject to our laws because it happened abroad, why have our police spent £11M to investigate. They should be prosecuted. Again just my opinion.

And just a footnote. If you go away on a family holiday then the FAMILY should of been together, the kids should of been with their parents enjoying the holiday, not left alone while the parents went out enjoying themselves

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over a year ago

"I think my attitude to this might be influenced by our daughter running away from home when she was 15.

My heart goes out to you and your family, but what you are going through is different. Your daughter has a mind of her own, not like the McCanns who left their children. You will no doubt be left thinking what you could of done differently. This is by no means a criticism of you because bringing up a teenage daughter is the hardest job in the world, Christ knows I see it all n my job. 15 yr olds can sometimes be so easily lead by a boyfriend/girlfriend or their peers. I pray she is home safe

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think my attitude to this might be influenced by our daughter running away from home when she was 15.

Yes she's in her late 20s now and a well rounded individual.

My point really was that I can understand how they might be feeling and if I blamed myself they must be doing so x 2,000,000

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training."

I'm still not completely sure what i think should have happened to them. Even just a year ago i probably would have said send them to prison. However what would that achieve ? The twins growing up in care ? I don't wish that on anyone. I think the parents should have had a social worker and other people who work with families teach them good parenting skills. Also keeping an eye on how the twins are coping with everything. If the twins were took off them it feels to me as if the twins are being punished. Yes i know the parents did something awful but im sure they live with that regret every single second of every day.

I think i remember that a man in Leicester tried taking out a private prosecution of the parents but it failed or there was found to be no case. However my memory could be wrong.

I would guess that what maybe did happen is that the family would have been inter_iewed by social workers etc and then given support to keep the family together.

I do know that every effort is made to support families and keep them together if possible.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!"

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

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over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

So what would you want doing then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think my attitude to this might be influenced by our daughter running away from home when she was 15.

Yes she's in her late 20s now and a well rounded individual.

My point really was that I can understand how they might be feeling and if I blamed myself they must be doing so x 2,000,000"

And I get your point. Unfortunately you had no control over what happened with your daughter, the McCanns on the other hand did. They quite willingly left their kids unsupervised. No responsible parent would do that x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope "

Of course the pope does. In fact last week that pope rang me to offer his condolences for the loss of my budgie

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over a year ago

"Is it me

Or are the only people showing any signs of sympathy toward the parents is the media

Oh and the pope

Of course the pope does. In fact last week that pope rang me to offer his condolences for the loss of my budgie "

Bit of a pathetic comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training.

I think i remember that a man in Leicester tried taking out a private prosecution of the parents but it failed or there was found to be no case. However my memory could be wrong.

I would guess that what maybe did happen is that the family would have been inter_iewed by social workers etc and then given support to keep the family together.

I do know that every effort is made to support families and keep them together if possible."

well whatever happened they weren't being responsible parents. Maybe the twins would have been better off with someone else.

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training.

I think i remember that a man in Leicester tried taking out a private prosecution of the parents but it failed or there was found to be no case. However my memory could be wrong.

I would guess that what maybe did happen is that the family would have been inter_iewed by social workers etc and then given support to keep the family together.

I do know that every effort is made to support families and keep them together if possible.

well whatever happened they weren't being responsible parents. Maybe the twins would have been better off with someone else. "

Do you think so ?

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training.

I think i remember that a man in Leicester tried taking out a private prosecution of the parents but it failed or there was found to be no case. However my memory could be wrong.

I would guess that what maybe did happen is that the family would have been inter_iewed by social workers etc and then given support to keep the family together.

I do know that every effort is made to support families and keep them together if possible.

well whatever happened they weren't being responsible parents. Maybe the twins would have been better off with someone else.

Do you think so ?"

yes to someone who put children's safety before socialising!

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over a year ago

It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training.

I think i remember that a man in Leicester tried taking out a private prosecution of the parents but it failed or there was found to be no case. However my memory could be wrong.

I would guess that what maybe did happen is that the family would have been inter_iewed by social workers etc and then given support to keep the family together.

I do know that every effort is made to support families and keep them together if possible.

well whatever happened they weren't being responsible parents. Maybe the twins would have been better off with someone else.

Do you think so ?

yes to someone who put children's safety before socialising! "

Ok.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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It didn't happen in Britian though so would our laws would cover it.

If it did happen in Britain what do you think should have happened?

I need to think about that. There's a difference between what I personally think should happen and what i think the authorites would do. I need to think about my safeguarding training.

I would guess that what maybe did happen is that the family would have been inter_iewed by social workers etc and then given support to keep the family together.

I do know that every effort is made to support families and keep them together if possible."

I would say I agree with all of this.I know none of us are perfect and have probably cocked up at some point along the way while bringing up children, but keeping them safe has to be the most important thing. Putting them behind bars wouldn't achieve anything , educating them to be better parents would achieve the most.

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By *hropmMan
over a year ago

shrewsbury

Poor kid should have never been left on her own to start with selfish parents . If you what kids be responsible for them

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By *lacksausageMan
over a year ago

Birmingham Airport

I suggest all the money raised should be diverted into a general public fund that will be used to solve such cases or find missing persons. I don't think it is right for money raised in the wake of such a case to be used to buy even mint for parents or relatives.

This position shd apply whether or not the parents are culpable or blameless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

In my opinion they are accountable for their actions as are the other families that night who were socialising with them.

That night wasn't the first time those children had been left whilst on holiday its unfortunate that night something bad happened.

The other children should really be on children in need plans like the majority of other siblings are whos brother/sisters have been abused in some way.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I think my attitude to this might be influenced by our daughter running away from home when she was 15.

Yes she's in her late 20s now and a well rounded individual.

My point really was that I can understand how they might be feeling and if I blamed myself they must be doing so x 2,000,000

I don't know if I had control of what happened at some point and made a bad decision that led to events taking the course that they did.

I think that it's very easy to apportion blame but its a question of degree. I doubt any one of us is a perfect parent who has never done anything thats affected our children negatively to a lesser or greater degree.

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over a year ago

I can't begin to imagine the pain and guilt they are feeling, it must be horrendous for them. I know there is a lot of people that blame them totally for what has happened, but I've said before it is every parents worst nightmare. Even more so because there might never be closure for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

In my opinion they are accountable for their actions as are the other families that night who were socialising with them.

That night wasn't the first time those children had been left whilst on holiday its unfortunate that night something bad happened.

The other children should really be on children in need plans like the majority of other siblings are whos brother/sisters have been abused in some way.

They might be. We wouldnt know.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

So what would you want doing then ?"

Accept that their child is gone...or worse and that their decisions led to her disappearance.

As for what could be done...do you mean in terms of charges against the McCanns?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

So what would you want doing then ?

Accept that their child is gone...or worse and that their decisions led to her disappearance.

As for what could be done...do you mean in terms of charges against the McCanns?"

What would you want to happen to the parents ? Investigated for neglect maybe ? Charged maybe ? Put the twins into care ?

Or support them as a family and keep them together ?

I would guess that they have been closely monitored anyway.

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By *iclassyCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Something doesn't add up.

When you are conditioned to locking your front door as all off us do in the U.K.You would be conditioned to locking the same front door when you are away.

You surely cannot think with all you possessions passports clothing

O and nearly forgot 3 young children under 4 years old.

Something is a miss here.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Something doesn't add up.

When you are conditioned to locking your front door as all off us do in the U.K.You would be conditioned to locking the same front door when you are away.

You surely cannot think with all you possessions passports clothing

O and nearly forgot 3 young children under 4 years old.

Something is a miss here.

You can't judge rare events by such normal standards. If the parents had taken every precaution then the child probably wouldn't have been 'taken'. Therefore, every case of catnap (can't write the real word) will probably have something you can pinpoint and say "that doesn't add up". So unless you want to assume every catnap is actually a parental cover up then it's a logical fallacy.

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over a year ago

"I can't begin to imagine the pain and guilt they are feeling, it must be horrendous for them. I know there is a lot of people that blame them totally for what has happened, but I've said before it is every parents worst nightmare. Even more so because there might never be closure for them."

Their lives have been destroyed, no matter what happened.

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over a year ago

Their lives have been destroyed, no matter what happened.

Yep

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By *layer oneMan
over a year ago

mirfield

"I watched the special thing the other night Maddy 10 years on i love how they worded everything. And yes the McCann's should be held accountable for Maddy's disappearance x"
why has this not happened did they not have a duty of care .. I would never leave my kids alone never

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I watched the special thing the other night Maddy 10 years on i love how they worded everything. And yes the McCann's should be held accountable for Maddy's disappearance x why has this not happened did they not have a duty of care .. I would never leave my kids alone never"

Take a look at the disappearance of elizabeth smart, you could take every precaution and it can still happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. "
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We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take a look at the disappearance of elizabeth smart, you could take every precaution and it can still happen. "

I've just read about that. Very interesting .

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Take a look at the disappearance of elizabeth smart, you could take every precaution and it can still happen.

I've just read about that. Very interesting ."

There are some great youtube documentaries on it. It really highlights the issues with trying to assume rational behaviour in extreme circumstances. Also there is about 2 hours of police footage inter_iewing the catnapper which did nothing to change my anecdotal experience that paedophiles are usually below average intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. "
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Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

You think people that feed their kids haribos all day deserve fat and dying children,I say doctors that go out on the piss and leave their kids in an unlocked house 90yds away deserve one less kid, if nothing else its served them a lesson.

They aint lost the other two since

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed, no one deserves that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. .

Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

They aint lost the other two since

Are you saying that you think they deserved to lose a child ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. .

Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

They aint lost the other two since

Are you saying that you think they deserved to lose a child ?"

That's how I read it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. .

Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

They aint lost the other two since

Are you saying that you think they deserved to lose a child ?"

I think a lot of people think they deserved it. It makes them feel safe, if they did something bad to deserve it, it'll never happen to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. .

Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

They aint lost the other two since

Are you saying that you think they deserved to lose a child ?"
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No I was saying there fucktards who couldnt manage to keep three infants safe by at least ensuring one parent stayed home or employing a babysitter or at the very very least locking the fucking front door!.I dunno when society suddenly deemed common sense to be the preserve of the genius or fucking stupidness to be "bad luck".

Anyhow.. What do you think about haribos and the ability to just shove them down your kids throats

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over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. .

Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

They aint lost the other two since

Are you saying that you think they deserved to lose a child ?.

Anyhow.. What do you think about haribos and the ability to just shove them down your kids throats

I think i will keep my thoughts to myself.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Take a look at the disappearance of elizabeth smart, you could take every precaution and it can still happen. "

But in this case the couple didn't take any precautions.

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over a year ago

I find it disturbing how much thinley veiled pleasure some people take in pointing out the mistakes of others. .

We've just been through this on the other thread.

Some people are plebs remember and we shouldnt give a shit about what a fuck up they've made of their lives!

Just coz your a doctor dont mean your not a complete fucking tool who cant avoid a big hole in the ground or the ability not to feed your kids haribos

I'd say that being a doctor doesn't mean you're not shelfish and being selfish doesn't mean you deserve to have your child die. .

Ah you say selfish I say there plebs.

They aint lost the other two since

Are you saying that you think they deserved to lose a child ?.

Anyhow.. What do you think about haribos and the ability to just shove them down your kids throats

I think i will keep my thoughts to myself."
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What! You don't like haribos?

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

So what would you want doing then ?

Accept that their child is gone...or worse and that their decisions led to her disappearance.

As for what could be done...do you mean in terms of charges against the McCanns?

What would you want to happen to the parents ? Investigated for neglect maybe ? Charged maybe ? Put the twins into care ?

Or support them as a family and keep them together ?

I would guess that they have been closely monitored anyway. "

So there's no other family? Aunts, Uncles, grandparents? Yes, keeping the family together is important but were they thinking that on that fateful night? No.

There are cases of parents leaving kids alone because they have to go out to work to make ends meet and the book is thrown at them because they should have organised better care. The McCanns went to dinner and we have a search. So what's the difference and where do we draw the line?

I don't have children so I can only imagine how they feel but I know that I'm not leaving a child unattended while I socialize.

I appreciate your point of _iew and no one wants the twins in care. Thinking about it, it's the twins probably handing the McCanns a lifeline.

Lucky them I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

So what would you want doing then ?

Accept that their child is gone...or worse and that their decisions led to her disappearance.

As for what could be done...do you mean in terms of charges against the McCanns?

What would you want to happen to the parents ? Investigated for neglect maybe ? Charged maybe ? Put the twins into care ?

Or support them as a family and keep them together ?

I would guess that they have been closely monitored anyway.

So there's no other family? Aunts, Uncles, grandparents? Yes, keeping the family together is important but were they thinking that on that fateful night? No.

I don't have children so I can only imagine how they feel but I know that I'm not leaving a child unattended while I socialize.

I appreciate your point of _iew and no one wants the twins in care. Thinking about it, it's the twins probably handing the McCanns a lifeline.

Lucky them I guess.

It's simply another point of _iew. Would you take the twins off them now ?

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"A question

How many of you on here who have children would leave your child in an apartment unsupervised and go out for supper?.

Definitely not!

Exactly. That's neglect. So how are they not accountable?

So what would you want doing then ?

Accept that their child is gone...or worse and that their decisions led to her disappearance.

As for what could be done...do you mean in terms of charges against the McCanns?

What would you want to happen to the parents ? Investigated for neglect maybe ? Charged maybe ? Put the twins into care ?

Or support them as a family and keep them together ?

I would guess that they have been closely monitored anyway.

So there's no other family? Aunts, Uncles, grandparents? Yes, keeping the family together is important but were they thinking that on that fateful night? No.

I don't have children so I can only imagine how they feel but I know that I'm not leaving a child unattended while I socialize.

I appreciate your point of _iew and no one wants the twins in care. Thinking about it, it's the twins probably handing the McCanns a lifeline.

Lucky them I guess.

It's simply another point of _iew. Would you take the twins off them now ? "

Like I said earlier, there's been a search. There's been hope. The option should have been used sooner rather than later or at least with extended family until the mess was sorted out. Ten years on wouldn't do anything but appease those who feel the McCanns were irresponsible in their parenting and considering that some parents are separated from their children for less, it's simply a matter of opinion whether it's right or wrong.

I just feel that McCanns should face more as they were the last to see Maddie, aside from her siblings. Maybe it's better that the twins are distanced from the speculation and theories like the ones seen in this thread.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I wonder what more a parent should be made to face than the loss of their child with no idea where they've gone or what horrors they're enduring if they're alive.

I have no idea if they were investigated by social services or any other agency but I imagine that wherever they go the eagle eyed "general public" who have brought up children with no mistakes whatsoever will be watching.

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over a year ago

I've always wondered if a family on benefits would have been charged with some form child abandonment, leaving minors, is wrong, I grew up in the 70's and wasn't left until one of my siblings was at least mid teens to look after the younger ones... left at those ages they were completely defenseless. Some people have been jailed where the outcome was more fairy tale...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I've always wondered if a family on benefits would have been charged with some form child abandonment, leaving minors, is wrong, I grew up in the 70's and wasn't left until one of my siblings was at least mid teens to look after the younger ones... left at those ages they were completely defenseless. Some people have been jailed where the outcome was more fairy tale..."

I don't know of any cases and nobody has quoted one so far as I'm aware.

I think that in this situation parents or carers should be investigated but that whatever their background the loss of a child is punishment enough.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Ok next time i get arrested i'll tell the police "you can't do shit, I'm middle class motherfucka"

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

" I just feel that McCanns should face more as they were the last to see Maddie, aside from her siblings. Maybe it's better that the twins are distanced from the speculation and theories like the ones seen in this thread.

I wonder what more a parent should be made to face than the loss of their child with no idea where they've gone or what horrors they're enduring if they're alive.

This mistake has lead to a ten year search which is ongoing. Yes, nobody is perfect and many parents make mistakes but I'll ask the question that was asked earlier: Would you leave your children unattended while you went to dinner while on holiday? Yes or no?

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over a year ago

Yes they did wrong in leaving the children and they have to live with the terrible outcome of that. They would obviously never do that again.

I am sure that the parents were assessed as to their ability to look after the twins. The twins might have been put on the Child in Need plan at first and all the family given help and support.

I can't think of anything worse than having to live every day with my child missing.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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I imagine that wherever they go the eagle eyed "general public" who have brought up children with no mistakes whatsoever will be watching."

I don't get this bit, just because some of us think leaving three children under 4 in an unlocked apartment while they eat and drink elsewhere is an appalling thing to do doesn't make those people think they were perfect at parenting. I am sure none of us are but some of us have some common sense or see eating out not more important than our childs safety.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I imagine that wherever they go the eagle eyed "general public" who have brought up children with no mistakes whatsoever will be watching.

I think it's appalling too. Some people are so hard on them though without a shred of compassion it makes me think that they must have never made any mistakes at all.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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There is a huge difference to an odd mistake made in your childs life to putting kids in potential danger.

I am not sure leaving children like this is a mistake , it is child neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with you here completely. They made a little mistake for which they paid the ultimate price. Could someone please please end their torture, even if it's the same as the Ben Needham case, please end their torture and in some small way ours.

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