FabSwingers.com forum: Competition & the role of the Dominant Female

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yo dawgs!

Anyway; I was thinking the other day, dangerous although that be. But as we all know, there's umpteen males to the single sole female on this site, so there's lots of competition.

Anyway; another known item is that a great many females enjoy being 'ravished' by sexually aggressive members of the male species.

Problem: Since we are competing for females, acting dominant becomes a risky activity, esp. in a textual environment such as this, where context is easily diluted.

Discuss!

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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I don’t understand what you mean by competition or competing…. it implies ‘a winner’

If someone is ‘competing’ and trying to out-do another or other people, I’m likely to think they are a twat.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Yo dawgs!

Anyway; I was thinking the other day, dangerous although that be. But as we all know, there's umpteen males to the single sole female on this site, so there's lots of competition.

Anyway; another known item is that a great many females enjoy being 'ravished' by sexually aggressive members of the male species.

Problem: Since we are competing for females, acting dominant becomes a risky activity, esp. in a textual environment such as this, where context is easily diluted.

Discuss!

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"Acting dominant", "competing"..im out

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don’t understand what you mean by competition or competing…. it implies ‘a winner’

If someone is ‘competing’ and trying to out-do another or other people, I’m likely to think they are a twat.

There is! We might not think of it in such terms normally, but we are products of our biological natures, there's no way around it. It's naive to think we're not competing. Economically, there's near infinite demand (cocks) and limited supply (women willing to bear children).

That we use condoms kinda puts a kink in this, but the general principal stands.

Specifically, I will be a little more controversial and state that on this site, males compete for females, but that outside of it in regular life, it's the other way around.

For example; if you look at almost every other species on the planet, the males compete for females, this is true. The female robin is a coy, drab, brown creature, while the male robin does little dances, is very colourful, sings constantly to advertise himself.

Similarly, it is the peaCOCK, not the penhen, that has the bloody great long tail to impress the female, together with the flashy outfit he's wearing.

Putting it simply; which members of our species wear the fake eyelashes, the hair extensions, the fake nails, focus a lot of time and attention on physical appearances esp. with respect to diet?

Yes, there are men who do this, but they're competing for something a bit different...

In general; the female competes for the male in the human species, which is fairly unique in the animal kingdom.

This might sound weird, but most zoologists and biologists go along with this. It's not just my opinion, there's a lotta evidence to back it up.

*waits for the cries of outrage*

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

I guess I am too naive.

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

lmfao !!!! i must of missed the memo stating i had to compeat for a guy on here as get plenty of guy mailing me lol !

as for the women wearing fake tan and dressing up to impress ...have you seen so of the male gym jocks on here ???? pmsl

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

as for origional post ..the phrasing "acting dominant " rings alarm bells for me . its very obvious if a person is just putting on a show and trying to be what they arent and is very off putting .

also some guys confuse dominant with being rude, agressive,diregarading the others persons wishes and just blatently not taking no for an answer .

plus you forget the most obvious thing theres lots of women who dont want dominant guys !lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"lmfao !!!! i must of missed the memo stating i had to compeat for a guy on here as get plenty of guy mailing me lol !

as for the women wearing fake tan and dressing up to impress ...have you seen so of the male gym jocks on here ???? pmsl "

I think we all know a HUGE slide in 'maleness' has taken place over the last 50 years or so.

From Clark Gable to Justin Bieber. Yeah. From here on out, the human race is pretty much buttfucked by aliens with a thousand dicks.

But seriously; on Fab, the males compete for the females. Go back tens of thousands of years, and it was this too. But I think there was a dramatic shift somewhat recently in human evolution, maybe something connected to agriculture or property rights or something (you can hardly have failed to notice that women are quite literally treated as capital/cattle in some societies e.g. Afghanistan).

It's kinda hard to pigeon hole this idea, there's so many influencing factors and stuff, but it's an interesting topic, and nearly always controversial in one way or another.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"as for origional post ..the phrasing "acting dominant " rings alarm bells for me . its very obvious if a person is just putting on a show and trying to be what they arent and is very off putting .

also some guys confuse dominant with being rude, agressive,diregarading the others persons wishes and just blatently not taking no for an answer .

plus you forget the most obvious thing theres lots of women who dont want dominant guys !lol "

All of that is true, and it still doesn't stack directly against the argument that males will be compelled to be more submissive if they are competing with other males. It's not that they want to be, it's just the natural outcome of the situation.

There's different 'levels' of dominance of course, but in any kind of trade, the person whose resources are being competed for, is the dominant one.

You can roleplay so it 'ain't so', but like you just mentioned: it can feel fake if you're after the genuine article, and thus unsatisfying if you enjoy being controlled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must be still asleep as I have no idea what the OP is on about!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I must be still asleep as I have no idea what the OP is on about!"

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

maybe one reason is that women now consider themselves equal to any guy ! we dont need a man to quantify our lives and quite able to take care of ourselves.we also dont have to wait about or a guy make the first move .years back a woman would never dream of asking a guy out ,now its no big deal .

so yes things change its called evolution lol .thank god for it as i dont fancy being dragged in a cave by some neanderthal

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By *ensual temptressWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"as for origional post ..the phrasing "acting dominant " rings alarm bells for me . its very obvious if a person is just putting on a show and trying to be what they arent and is very off putting .

also some guys confuse dominant with being rude, agressive,diregarading the others persons wishes and just blatently not taking no for an answer .

plus you forget the most obvious thing theres lots of women who dont want dominant guys !lol

There's different 'levels' of dominance of course, but in any kind of trade, the person whose resources are being competed for, is the dominant one.

You can roleplay so it 'ain't so', but like you just mentioned: it can feel fake if you're after the genuine article, and thus unsatisfying if you enjoy being controlled.

you could of just said you agreed with me ...lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putting it simply; which members of our species wear the fake eyelashes, the hair extensions, the fake nails, focus a lot of time and attention on physical appearances esp. with respect to diet?

not this female ......people like me for who I am and i wasnt aware i was in a competition but maybe im not a true female ???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Putting it simply; which members of our species wear the fake eyelashes, the hair extensions, the fake nails, focus a lot of time and attention on physical appearances esp. with respect to diet?

not this female ......people like me for who I am and i wasnt aware i was in a competition but maybe im not a true female ???"

You're suspiciously female

As with all arguments that use such broad premises, I'm generalising, so I don't expect the idea to work in the same way, all the time. That said; I expect it to work the majority of cases or there wouldn't be any point to it.

The exception proves the rule, proves in the sense of 'test' the mettle of. That's why I like online forums, if there's a glitch in an idea by an OP, it'll be mentioned by somebody.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

wow... okay... let me get back to you on this when every single red flag and alarm bell you set off has died down....

wow!!!

okay... it isn't about "competition".. it about finding people suitable for you as playmates... so if you see that as "competition" as such, I think that says a lot more about you, than it does about the people you are trying to attract....

I have seen profiles proclaiming that they are the "Big I Am" from all quarters... single men, single women and couples! however, there is a huge difference between being confident and comfortable within your own skin and surroundings and being confident to the point of overstepping that and being arrogant...

If i see what I call "contest profiles".. I run in the other direction, I have never seen swinging as a contest of how many people I can play with as opposed to someone else...

I think if that is the mindset that people go in with, the "notches on the bedpost" mentality.... you get found out very quickly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

confident guys yes, dominant, no ta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wow... okay... let me get back to you on this when every single red flag and alarm bell you set off has died down....

wow!!!

If i see what I call "contest profiles".. I run in the other direction, I have never seen swinging as a contest of how many people I can play with as opposed to someone else...

I think if that is the mindset that people go in with, the "notches on the bedpost" mentality.... you get found out very quickly!

gets busy with the sandpaper rubbing the notches on the bedpost down. anyone seen my visitors book, need to hide that as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wow... okay... let me get back to you on this when every single red flag and alarm bell you set off has died down....

wow!!!

If i see what I call "contest profiles".. I run in the other direction, I have never seen swinging as a contest of how many people I can play with as opposed to someone else...

I think if that is the mindset that people go in with, the "notches on the bedpost" mentality.... you get found out very quickly!

gonna take the easy option on this one . . . . totally agree with you my friend, couldnt have put it better myself

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"wow... okay... let me get back to you on this when every single red flag and alarm bell you set off has died down....

wow!!!

If i see what I call "contest profiles".. I run in the other direction, I have never seen swinging as a contest of how many people I can play with as opposed to someone else...

I think if that is the mindset that people go in with, the "notches on the bedpost" mentality.... you get found out very quickly!

+1 as i cant be bothered to think about this either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whilst I agree with the OP to an extent, I must confess to adopting a more non-competitive competetive approach to securing a female (I also use ropes to secure her but that's another matter entirely).

By refusing to compete with other males for a lady's favours I usually win because the girls see this and don't think I'm a complete fucking dickhead.

Some call it the 'through the back door' attack pattern but that has obvious connotations, so I tend to think of it as the 'hey, whats that over there, then sneak off in a different direction' attack pattern.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Problem: Since we are competing for females, acting dominant becomes a risky activity, esp. in a textual environment such as this, where context is easily diluted.

Truth be told I really did think that the forums were just for fun.

Do not really understand this hypothesis especially as you have clearly stated that you believe context is easily diluted.

I thought that was cordial.

There is no real context on the forums, excpet that of the OP which is very often deviated from.

The range of participants is extremely diverse in gender, lifestyle, sexual preferences etc.

Not at all clear to me what you are asking for or wanting to discuss. (confused of Kent)

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

The day i feel as though im competing for a guy or a guy is competing for me, i will hang my swinging stockings up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think what the OP is trying to say.. is that in general the role of dominant male is ebbing out.. that on here while a man may want to be dominant he feels he cant..

Men are designed to be dominant.. Women are designed to compliment them.. Women taking the power away from men in some ways is upsetting the balance.. and men are left wondering how to approach women these days..

I still expect a guy to come to me.. its not that I am not sexual confident but I certainly wouldnt chase a guy..

I maybe wrong..

Katie, with Her Masters consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's about time women all over the planet got out from the bottom of the woodpile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's about time women all over the planet got out from the bottom of the woodpile."

Only when they've finished chopping it. Then there's the washing. cooking, cleaning etc.. it ain't a fookin free ride y'know!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

as for the guys... they rush to pee round a new female they have met and verified to mark their territory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so yes things change its called evolution lol .thank god for it as i dont fancy being dragged in a cave by some neanderthal

Oh I dont know.. Women could mate with who they wanted.. and a child born to each hearth was a child of that hearth.. they hadnt yet realised that the act was what gave the baby.. They believed it was a gift..

Katie, with her Masters consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

as for the guys... they rush to pee round a new female they have met and verified to mark their territory"

I agree with View, I've seen a lot of competition over popular guys on here, embarrassingly so at times and vice versa.

I flirt like there's no tomorrow but I'm certainly not in competition because I don't need to be - I get to play with the one that floats my boat whenever I want.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

I have sat back and watched in awe for the last couple of yrs at this phenomenon,cat fights galore,astonishing behaviour!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

as for the guys... they rush to pee round a new female they have met and verified to mark their territory"

Or more crudely put, like flies round shite.

It's often blatant in chat rooms and forums, those who want to be 'the first' the competing can be fierce to the point of arguments and fall-outs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

I have sat back and watched in awe for the last couple of yrs at this phenomenon,cat fights galore,astonishing behaviour!

And if you were to look at the said popular guys profiles you'd see telephone verifications from loads of women, just to prove to others that they have the guys phone number

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think what the OP is trying to say.. is that in general the role of dominant male is ebbing out.. that on here while a man may want to be dominant he feels he cant..

I still expect a guy to come to me.. its not that I am not sexual confident but I certainly wouldnt chase a guy..

I maybe wrong..

Katie, with Her Masters consent."

Just goes to show...just read through 40 pages of round table conference notes from Counsel and made perfect sense, but couldn't make hide or hair out of the OP!

Thanks for the clarity Katie!

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

I have sat back and watched in awe for the last couple of yrs at this phenomenon,cat fights galore,astonishing behaviour!

And if you were to look at the said popular guys profiles you'd see telephone verifications from loads of women, just to prove to others that they have the guys phone number

Hehehe Ive never looked to notice..... don't get me started on a new hobby Iconic ill never leave the house!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

I have sat back and watched in awe for the last couple of yrs at this phenomenon,cat fights galore,astonishing behaviour!

And if you were to look at the said popular guys profiles you'd see telephone verifications from loads of women, just to prove to others that they have the guys phone number

Hehehe Ive never looked to notice..... don't get me started on a new hobby Iconic ill never leave the house!

Its not just the dogs that piss up lampposts. Makes me think of Veruca Salt....."I want a golden goose!"

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

What's wrong with a good old fashioned clubbing and dragged by the hair to a cave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with a good old fashioned clubbing and dragged by the hair to a cave?"

Think its a dying art.

Katie, with her Masters consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't the usual approach for the confident male on this site the classic "fancy a fk?" message?

Flippancy aside, this has turned into a fascinating discussion, which I'm going to continue to follow closely.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Men are designed to be dominant.. Women are designed to compliment them.. Women taking the power away from men in some ways is upsetting the balance.. and men are left wondering how to approach women these days.."

Jesus feckin' Christ....it's 2001, not 1901!

What's with all the 'designed' stuff?, it's a theory pushed by men who have a desire to push women back into Victorian times.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"have we never noticed a hunky new guy arrive on the scene... some slip off the leather chairs they are sitting on...

as for the guys... they rush to pee round a new female they have met and verified to mark their territory"

'tis the way of many a swinging forum.... and so much fun to watch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Metrosexuals suck....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What's wrong with a good old fashioned clubbing and dragged by the hair to a cave?"

That's still around, and the guys don't seem to mind it so long their hair doesn't get too mussed.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Metrosexuals suck...."
Some straight ones do too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Metrosexuals suck....Some straight ones do too!

I`d giggle but I`ve just had a tooth out...I is rubber lipsy

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Metrosexuals suck....Some straight ones do too!

I`d giggle but I`ve just had a tooth out...I is rubber lipsy

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Awwwwwwwww kisses xxxxx...dont dribble on me though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Metrosexuals suck....Some straight ones do too!

I`d giggle but I`ve just had a tooth out...I is rubber lipsy

Awwwwwwwww kisses xxxxx...dont dribble on me though

haha thank you munchkin, met halfway..I`ll be careful...I`m throbbing tehe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Men are designed to be dominant.. Women are designed to compliment them.. Women taking the power away from men in some ways is upsetting the balance.. and men are left wondering how to approach women these days.."

Jesus feckin' Christ....it's 2001, not 1901!

What's with all the 'designed' stuff?, it's a theory pushed by men who have a desire to push women back into Victorian times.

No actually if you look at human nature across our entire exsistence it is what has kept us alive..

And men are naturally more dominant than women.. yes there are exceptions.. but there is a natural order of things..

We still often do give in to those side of things.... its just we dress it up as other things these days..

and a man being the man of the house is something that doesnt hurt.. and in fact.. it is something that is needed in society..

Ie.. read anything about male role models...

its got nothing to do with keeping women in their place.. but keeping a balance..

MY doctorate is on is the rise of the independant dominant female, causing issues with young men and their place in the world.. Looking at many different aspects..

Men need women, women need men.. thats the basics of it.. both work as a pair.. and work best together...

Katie, with her Masters consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trouble is Katy, many households are one parent families, usually the mother raises the kids.

I raise my youngest son alone.

My older children have always said I'm the strongest person they know.

I own my house, my car and answer to no man. Even when I was married I worked full time running my own business and raising my family.

I think demographically northern and scottish women have always been the major role model for their children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry * Katie with an ie xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No actually if you look at human nature across our entire exsistence it is what has kept us alive..

And men are naturally more dominant than women.. yes there are exceptions.. but there is a natural order of things..

We still often do give in to those side of things.... its just we dress it up as other things these days..

and a man being the man of the house is something that doesnt hurt.. and in fact.. it is something that is needed in society..

Ie.. read anything about male role models...

its got nothing to do with keeping women in their place.. but keeping a balance..

MY doctorate is on is the rise of the independant dominant female, causing issues with young men and their place in the world.. Looking at many different aspects..

Men need women, women need men.. thats the basics of it.. both work as a pair.. and work best together...

Katie, with her Masters consent."

I have to agree with Katy here.

The traditional roles of men and women have become blurred over the last 50 years. The catalyst was WW2 when an entire generation of men were lost to the battlefields of Europe for six years and women were required to fill the gap in the labour market. When the conflict ended it was very difficult for women to be plugged back into their domestic role as they'd had a taste of a freedom that had been previously denied to them. Soon it became the norm to see women in all aspects of the workplace and then came the inevitable demand for equality in pay and working conditions.

Today, we see women given much more slack than men regarding pregancy and maternity leave, women's 'problems', as most men will testify that employers are dismissive of men and their needs when it comes to family matters.

Where does that leave the traditional roles of men and women?

In a high state of flux and it shouldn't be that surprising to see young men who don't really know their place in the world, but similarly, we now see gangs of young girls getting up to the sort of trouble that was previously attributed to groups of young men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not saying that women cant do it alone if they have to.. what I am looking at is the effect that so many women choosing too do it is having on male I guess its ego...

are they losing what it is to be male.. I think the issue that some women are having as they see dominant as controlling and abusive.. what I mean by dominant is the one that is head of the house.

I knew my dad was boss in my house but cross my mother and I would seriously know about it.. but I remember the "wait till your father gets home threats".

I have two sons.. both of who lacked decent male role models for much of their lives... by that I mean men that they could aspire too..

I do believe that times are changing but am not convinced that it is all for the best.. there is a natural order of things for a reason.

I think on here men are actually not to happy to come across dominant and confidence.. and there is a confidence that does only come from a dominant man.. its something that a lot of women are naturally attacted too.. If you asked me to describe it I would struggle...

But I do think its getting less and less.. and I think the stereotypical man of the house position is very important.. Not because he bosses the rest about and has no say.. but because it is how it is within many animal species..

Nature is a big thing.. and just because we are civilised now, doesnt mean we should mess with it.. but then I dont agree with a lot of the ways we have messed with nature..

Maleness I think is what I mean.. Men seem to be losing it.. and these were my _iews LONG before I even knew about bdsm.. and I am not a very submissive person and its not in My Nature to be subservient.. but I have always held the position that while I can do things as well as a man in most areas.. some things men just are programmed to do better.. like us women have things that only we can do...

Everything has an equal and opposite.. and that is why men have women and women men..

Single parent issue is another issue entirely.. to many reasons to go into.. but it is entirely to accepted that children born outside of relationships is acceptable now.. or for a man to walk away,.. or a woman.. there is not the push towards till death do us part anymore..

And not talking being faithful.. but just working through the rough times..

Katie. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No actually if you look at human nature across our entire exsistence it is what has kept us alive..

And men are naturally more dominant than women.. yes there are exceptions.. but there is a natural order of things..

We still often do give in to those side of things.... its just we dress it up as other things these days..

and a man being the man of the house is something that doesnt hurt.. and in fact.. it is something that is needed in society..

Ie.. read anything about male role models...

its got nothing to do with keeping women in their place.. but keeping a balance..

MY doctorate is on is the rise of the independant dominant female, causing issues with young men and their place in the world.. Looking at many different aspects..

Men need women, women need men.. thats the basics of it.. both work as a pair.. and work best together...

Katie, with her Masters consent.

I have to agree with Katy here.

Where does that leave the traditional roles of men and women?

Thats what I was trying to say lol

Thank you..

Katie, with her Masters consent. x

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Your own _iews that you post on this thread and the fact that you yourself chose a male profession (Car Mechanic), render your points completely contradictory though Katie......

You can't have it both ways, on one hand you say that young men are somewhat threatened by women taking the 'male' role more....and on the other hand you yourself are happy to take an NVQ in Car Mechanics...

Can't you see the obvious irony here?

Not busting your balls here but you are contradicting yourself on this matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even in the nuclear family though, the mother raises the children while the father is out at work. The sole raising of the family traditionally fell to the woman, father reinforcing anything mother said, therefore she is seen as the stronger role model.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think what the OP is trying to say.. is that in general the role of dominant male is ebbing out.. that on here while a man may want to be dominant he feels he cant..

I still expect a guy to come to me.. its not that I am not sexual confident but I certainly wouldnt chase a guy..

I maybe wrong..

Katie, with Her Masters consent."

No, I think Katie gets it.

Discussing sexual attitudes today is like comparing weather with climate. It's not so long ago that men were kidnapping ladies from rival tribes, the proverbial 'dragging by the hair into the cave romantic moments'.

I think some here are confusing 'bed post notching' i.e. sexual bean counting, with competition. Relatively few people compete in that manner (which is very interesting, and a whole discussion topic in of itself). BUT. Everyone competes in the game. Everyone. You and I are not freak exceptions for a very good reason:

The only reason you and I are alive, is because our ancestors successfully, in an unbroken chain, managed to compete for and capture appropriate mates.

Even those who *never* have sex, are in the game. Because by their behaviour, they might influence the actions of others who do have their genes and are able to mate. No escape from the sexual matrix!

We might not think about this on the microscopic scale that is our daily everyday lives, but on a macroscopic scale, this is what is happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Basically survival of the fittest then?

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Sex is a two way street....it's not neccessary to have one of them take a dominant role, it's 2011, things have moved on since caveman.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Whilst I agree with the OP to an extent, I must confess to adopting a more non-competitive competetive approach to securing a female (I also use ropes to secure her but that's another matter entirely).

By refusing to compete with other males for a lady's favours I usually win because the girls see this and don't think I'm a complete fucking dickhead.

It's interesting because it's true. Men don't usually fight to the death over a woman, however romantic/digusting that might be to us in a more civilised age.

Take Stags for example; You are a Stag wishy! How?

Stags don't fight directly, instead they clack their horns together to test who is the strongest. The victor takes the female and the loser lives to 'fight' another day. This form of 'diplomacy' is more generally efficient than outright warfare. Hence Wishy and his sneaky tactics!

As Carl von Clausewitz's Theory of War says: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

You will find more out about sex and women by meeting women, having sex, entering into relationships....not everything in life can be learnt from textbooks.

That's the trouble with university and studying, you begin to believe everything you read....I know, I've been there, and life after education taught me an awful lot more.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Jesus feckin' Christ....it's 2001, not 1901!

What's with all the 'designed' stuff?, it's a theory pushed by men who have a desire to push women back into Victorian times.

No actually if you look at human nature across our entire exsistence it is what has kept us alive..

And men are naturally more dominant than women.. yes there are exceptions.. but there is a natural order of things..

We still often do give in to those side of things.... its just we dress it up as other things these days..

and a man being the man of the house is something that doesnt hurt.. and in fact.. it is something that is needed in society..

Ie.. read anything about male role models...

its got nothing to do with keeping women in their place.. but keeping a balance..

MY doctorate is on is the rise of the independant dominant female, causing issues with young men and their place in the world.. Looking at many different aspects..

Men need women, women need men.. thats the basics of it.. both work as a pair.. and work best together...

Katie, with her Masters consent."

That's a nice coincidence (you working on that doctorate)

I see it in the same way, ultimately I lay the 'blame' at the doorstep of the Division of Labour. Men and women are naturally better at different things. To wit: Ricardo's Law of Comparative Advantage, it is more efficient for men to be men, and woman to be woman, in the same way that a Jack of all trades is a poor worker, dramatically more so than those who specialise.

However, the recent changes in direction some explanation (it's a short term trend I think), and this is mine:

Premise: Sex and power are the same thing.

Money, units of exchange, are transferable power in western societies.

Thus; with the rise of capitalism in the last 200 years, paradoxically, comes the rise of sexual equality in society.

Again; it's all about power, and power is all about property rights. Women in many eastern countries, don't even 'own' themselves. They are treated like so much cattle. With a monetary system such as we have today, this becomes inefficient.

Yes, I'm just as outraged as everyone else about what we see as maltreatment of women in impoverished countries, but fundamentally everything happens for a reason, nearly always because it's the easiest way for the system to work.

That suggests that the best course of action to resolve sexual equality problems in Africa, Asia, is simply to give women more financial know-how. A finance education class might help these women more than a police force trying to implement laws that the society at large rejects e.g. see what happens when you introduce western laws to the Taliban.

It's an indirect route, but I'm almost completely sure this is the root of the problem in 3rd world countries. The other reasons are a kind of sideshow, distractions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You will find more out about sex and women by meeting women, having sex, entering into relationships....not everything in life can be learnt from textbooks.

That's the trouble with university and studying, you begin to believe everything you read....I know, I've been there, and life after education taught me an awful lot more."

I agree and disagree.

I agree that tacit knowledge is important. I've always said so. However, it would be wrong to denigrate the ideas of millions of intelligent people who've written so much on life. You might as well throw out all of western civilisation if the textbooks are thrown out. Our collective knowledge is quite literally the only thing separating us from the Dark Ages.

Personal experience, while good, is a very narrow domain. An proper education gives you a bird's eye _iew, allows you to see patterns. The main problem with this is that sometimes the map gets confused with the territory, hence you warning me about placing too much faith in university education, which is a correct instinct.

You should be skeptical of what you read, but you should read. So; we probably agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm confused....I'm having a tramadol night though so easily confused.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I'm confused....I'm having a tramadol night though so easily confused. "

Your confused? How do you think i feel. All i see is people spouting stuff out of text books. Talking complete rubbish

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

and wtf is this "proper education" business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I could give a tramadol for that headache.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

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I was just thinking that!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

As I said before in another thread the OP was involved in....reminds me of the scene in 'Educating Rita' when Julie Walters is entering into a deep debate about an author.....

Way too deep man!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Trouble is Katy, many households are one parent families, usually the mother raises the kids.

I raise my youngest son alone.

My older children have always said I'm the strongest person they know.

I own my house, my car and answer to no man. Even when I was married I worked full time running my own business and raising my family.

I think demographically northern and scottish women have always been the major role model for their children."

You may be interested to know, that on on a per capita basis, Scottish (and Russian) families are wealthiest in the United States!

I think the reason is partially that women are less speculative with their finances, there are different kinds of financial risks, and although women take less financial risks in general e.g. on the stock market, when they do do so, they are better at it than the males.

Basically; they're not overconfident assholes

You gotta take risks 'you buys your ticket and takes your chances', but men frequently take stupid, zero/negative sum game risks. Typically paying too much for product (business) or buying large growth or penny stocks in a stock market bubble. Stupid is, as stupid does.

In gambling, alcoholism, I'd prefer that the women don't emulate the men.

On the other hand, women pay waaaaaaaaaaay too much for insurance. They worry too much. The English are particularly bad actually, they pay more insurance than any other country, in entire world if I remember correctly.

Anyway, I'm wandering far and away from my initial point so I'll have to stop there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think (sic)....its interesting,tho prolly abit deep fer here..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I was just thinking that!

I think like this all the time.

This is just me, I won't try to be somebody else.

But maybe I need the 'Kick'...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WkxfuJh0-g&feature=related

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A question to the OP... Are you on fab to have any form of fun or has Sydney Uni sent you on one hell of a mission?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

Or.....all we are getting is a repeat of what he has been studying that day

We are really in for it when they do a week of Freud...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it germane to mention the collective consciousness....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

Or.....all we are getting is a repeat of what he has been studying that day

We are really in for it when they do a week of Freud...

Which is the whole point of education, is it not? He quite clearly words his posts himself. I find him interesting tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is Katy, many households are one parent families, usually the mother raises the kids.

I raise my youngest son alone.

My older children have always said I'm the strongest person they know.

I own my house, my car and answer to no man. Even when I was married I worked full time running my own business and raising my family.

I think demographically northern and scottish women have always been the major role model for their children.

You may be interested to know, that on on a per capita basis, Scottish (and Russian) families are wealthiest in the United States!

Basically; they're not overconfident assholes

In gambling, alcoholism, I'd prefer that the women don't emulate the men.

Anyway, I'm wandering far and away from my initial point so I'll have to stop there

That reminds me, I was the only female in my shares club and the only member who suggest buying shares which actually did make us some money!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

Or.....all we are getting is a repeat of what he has been studying that day

We are really in for it when they do a week of Freud...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imamcajBEJs&feature=related

It's the music, it's affecting me

Actually I study something that pretty much got invented last Tuesday or thereabouts, so definitely not Freud.

And don't worry folks, I'm on here for the sex too! Had lots of sex, but can't be doing that all the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still posturing in the same way as the peacock to the peahen,

only instead of flashy tail feathers it's trendy tertiary education talk.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

Or.....all we are getting is a repeat of what he has been studying that day

We are really in for it when they do a week of Freud...

pmfsl think i will have to go out shopping that day llol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Trouble is Katy, many households are one parent families, usually the mother raises the kids.

I raise my youngest son alone.

My older children have always said I'm the strongest person they know.

I own my house, my car and answer to no man. Even when I was married I worked full time running my own business and raising my family.

I think demographically northern and scottish women have always been the major role model for their children.

You may be interested to know, that on on a per capita basis, Scottish (and Russian) families are wealthiest in the United States!

Basically; they're not overconfident assholes

In gambling, alcoholism, I'd prefer that the women don't emulate the men.

Anyway, I'm wandering far and away from my initial point so I'll have to stop there

That reminds me, I was the only female in my shares club and the only member who suggest buying shares which actually did make us some money!

Since we're going completely off topic here anyhow, I'm hunting small capitalisation and deep value corporations in different countries, and use a trigger band rebalancing strategy. It's high risk, but I'm young, I've got my emergency fund an all with zero dependants, so I can suffer some fairly hair raising swoops and dives. My bets are hedged though, I'm a long term buy and holder, I don't time the markets at all, I just want the average returns from markets, which isn't as simple as it sounds at first.

What is your strategy, I take it you're picking stocks? On what basis? Value investing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your own _iews that you post on this thread and the fact that you yourself chose a male profession (Car Mechanic), render your points completely contradictory though Katie......

Can't you see the obvious irony here?

Not busting your balls here but you are contradicting yourself on this matter.

I have a nvq because I enjoy cars.. I am also a mother of 5 and am a housewife..

For pocket money I do therapy...

So thats not a contradiction.. My kids learn the basic values that a man is in charge in the house..

And I do get it.. but others dont get that dominance is not about control its about balance..

Katie, with her Masters consent.

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over a year ago

"Since we're going completely off topic here anyhow, I'm hunting small capitalisation and deep value corporations in different countries, and use a trigger band rebalancing strategy. It's high risk, but I'm young, I've got my emergency fund an all with zero dependants, so I can suffer some fairly hair raising swoops and dives. My bets are hedged though, I'm a long term buy and holder, I don't time the markets at all, I just want the average returns from markets, which isn't as simple as it sounds at first.

What is your strategy, I take it you're picking stocks? On what basis? Value investing?

Just remember to move your stop/loss margins accordingly. Got my fingers badly burned by the tech stock crash a decade ago because I got greedy and didn't get out when I knew I should have.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Personally id go for pretty safe investments with good dividends. If you have a limited amount to invest id personally play safe and go for something like utility companies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't play the stock market any more, once the club made a killing on the company I suggested we invest in, they all sold at a profit and disbanded the club. Shame really.

However it was a collective, about a dozen of us met each month each of us took a turn to choose a company and we all invested our monthly money to that one individuals choice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

Or.....all we are getting is a repeat of what he has been studying that day

We are really in for it when they do a week of Freud...

Which is the whole point of education, is it not? He quite clearly words his posts himself. I find him interesting tbh."

Don't remember forcing anybody to read my thread, there's a dozen others on spunk and buttcheeks

I think sometimes it gets boring having to read the zillionth thread on tit 'n ass, this is a way of taking a kind of break.

I'm not trying to act elitist, I just like having intellectual discussions, and if that makes me elitist, then they can gtfo, ya don't own the interweb y'all!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you always over analyse everything?

You must give yourself constant headaches....

I enjoy his posts actually. They're intelligent, eloquent and well thought out. There's definately a brain lurking in there.

Or.....all we are getting is a repeat of what he has been studying that day

We are really in for it when they do a week of Freud...

Which is the whole point of education, is it not? He quite clearly words his posts himself. I find him interesting tbh.

Don't remember forcing anybody to read my thread, there's a dozen others on spunk and buttcheeks

I think sometimes it gets boring having to read the zillionth thread on tit 'n ass, this is a way of taking a kind of break.

I'm not trying to act elitist, I just like having intellectual discussions, and if that makes me elitist, then they can gtfo, ya don't own the interweb y'all!"

Don`t sweat the small stuff chap....ignore the grenades..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What is your strategy, I take it you're picking stocks? On what basis? Value investing?

Just remember to move your stop/loss margins accordingly. Got my fingers badly burned by the tech stock crash a decade ago because I got greedy and didn't get out when I knew I should have."

Nah, don't worry, I don't do margin and I don't do any stop losses. At all. More smart people have lost their money to margin, than in any other way. When the entire stock market dives, it's a good time to invest, and definitely not to sell, but unfortunately, by some bizarre coincidence, you're also more likely to be laid off work!

Me, I use 12 months living expenses as an emergency fund, that way I can search for a job during those 12 months, and keep my share of the indexes up and running. There is no market timing, this is long term buy and hold investing by formulae.

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over a year ago

"I don't play the stock market any more, once the club made a killing on the company I suggested we invest in, they all sold at a profit and disbanded the club. Shame really.

However it was a collective, about a dozen of us met each month each of us took a turn to choose a company and we all invested our monthly money to that one individuals choice. "

Seems like your club forgot about compound interest!

I'd kill for a handful of basis points of return, since over time it multiples to uber-wealth, but am a bit disdainful of those dipping their foot in and out of the water. It's impossible to persistently time the markets. I'm a believe in RTM, EMH, having had first hand experience myself (I tracked my buys and sells for a year when I was 17, on paper). Not a lot of difference between my results and blind random chance. Dem tuition fees at the stock market are pretty darn high, good thing I wasn't using real money

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over a year ago

but am a bit disdainful of those dipping their foot in and out of the water.

Having said that, I did invest a lump sum at the right time in emerging markets in 09, made 75% in one year!

But that was pure luck, no great intelligence or 'skill' involved there.

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