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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Should the number of totting up driving penalty points increase for those who drive for a living?

Is it fair that motorists who use their vehicles for pleasure get the exact same allowance as say taxi drivers who use their car a lot more yet have the same rules?

I haven't made my mind up on this one yet, hopefully fmites comments will help me form an opinion!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Realistically it's not difficult to accumulate 12 points especially now a days, one could potentially loose their license in the space of a day fs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

Judge Soxy has spoken fs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's easy not to accumulate points. Drive within the law and you won't get any. There's plenty of signage on the roadsides that tell you what the limits are. No excuses really.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

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"My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

Hear hear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. It should be halved. "Professionals" should know better. They should strive to set an example for us mere "amateurs"!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. By demonstrating that you're on the road more and collecting points by contravening the law, you're also demonstrating you're an increased liability !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

Judge Soxy has spoken fs. "

I take it you don't want to debate the point ...... sheesh ....

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

They should be more careful if they need their licence for work. And as a professional driver be of a higher standard.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Am silently observing at the moment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People that drive for a living are more likely to get points as they are on the road for longer.

Beyond that I have no opinion because where would you draw the line at the number of hours driving for work or driving hours to visit a friend/ relative every night.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Technology has not made any exception for a change in the totting up system since it's inception, where it was once, say 10 years ago, a lot harder to accumulate said points, nowadays it can be done in less than a day, with new laws on mobiles, speed cameras, gatsos, failing to wear seatbelts etc. Is it time to revise the points system to reflect our modern lifes and challenges?

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

A really good friend of mine drives for a living and has done for decades off and on. He has never had a single point on his licence despite racking up the miles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone is a professional driver, then they should be better than us amateurs.

If they are not, then I am not happy about the fact they are on the road a lot more, seems a dangerous mix.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

Judge Soxy has spoken fs. "
judge

Soxy was much nicer on strictly come dancing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People that drive for a living are more likely to get points as they are on the road for longer.

Beyond that I have no opinion because where would you draw the line at the number of hours driving for work or driving hours to visit a friend/ relative every night. "

People who drive for a living also need to pay higher insurance premiums than those of us who don't!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

Judge Soxy has spoken fs. judge

Soxy was much nicer on strictly come dancing"

Oi you leave my fandango out of this ,,,,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If someone is a professional driver, then they should be better than us amateurs.

If they are not, then I am not happy about the fact they are on the road a lot more, seems a dangerous mix."

You don't need to be a professional to be a taxi or delivery driver,do you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Technology makes it easier for us all to get caught out however olden day laws are not updated to reflect this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Playing devil's advocate for a minute say a new driver who gets a part time delivery job to help them through Uni etc and pays a higher level of insurance, their totting up allowance is only 6 points that's two speeding or one mobile phone offence

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By *nne CallanWoman
over a year ago

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

My partner drives hundreds of miles a week. He finds it useful to make use of the speed limitor. it pings if he goes over the speed its set at. yes he has to change the setting quite often but as its on the stearing wheel its very easy.

simple solution to a difficult problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is that fair?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"My partner drives hundreds of miles a week. He finds it useful to make use of the speed limitor. it pings if he goes over the speed its set at. yes he has to change the setting quite often but as its on the stearing wheel its very easy.

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A taxi driver should be thinking of his passenger's safety, and sticking to the speed limit.

The more you drive, the more chance you have of being involved in an accident; you should drive as safely as possible, not be given leeway, because you drive more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People that drive for a living are more likely to get points as they are on the road for longer.

Beyond that I have no opinion because where would you draw the line at the number of hours driving for work or driving hours to visit a friend/ relative every night.

People who drive for a living also need to pay higher insurance premiums than those of us who don't!"

That's because they have more chance of being involved in an accident. Insurances reflect a lot of things, not how often you should stick to the speed limit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A taxi driver should be thinking of his passenger's safety, and sticking to the speed limit.

The more you drive, the more chance you have of being involved in an accident; you should drive as safely as possible, not be given leeway, because you drive more."

What about in between jobs or in their personal lives?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People that drive for a living are more likely to get points as they are on the road for longer.

Beyond that I have no opinion because where would you draw the line at the number of hours driving for work or driving hours to visit a friend/ relative every night.

People who drive for a living also need to pay higher insurance premiums than those of us who don't!

That's because they have more chance of being involved in an accident. Insurances reflect a lot of things, not how often you should stick to the speed limit. "

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"If someone is a professional driver, then they should be better than us amateurs.

If they are not, then I am not happy about the fact they are on the road a lot more, seems a dangerous mix.

You don't need to be a professional to be a taxi or delivery driver,do you?

They drive for their living, that's pretty much the definition of a professional driver...

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though? "

No, it's not a warning of cameras etc. but a limit on your speed. My car has one, once set you cannot go above the limit you set.

Very handy in a 30 limit, for example, where it is easy to drift above without noticing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though?

No, it's not a warning of cameras etc. but a limit on your speed. My car has one, once set you cannot go above the limit you set.

Very handy in a 30 limit, for example, where it is easy to drift above without noticing."

Indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. There shouldn't be a difference. The harm that can be done as the result of whatever the relevant offence is no less because it's a professional driver. They should know better and drive more carefully if they're on the road more.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though?

No, it's not a warning of cameras etc. but a limit on your speed. My car has one, once set you cannot go above the limit you set.

Very handy in a 30 limit, for example, where it is easy to drift above without noticing."

Does something exist for adding to older cars? I don't want to run some poor kid over because I'm looking at my speedo every few seconds to make sure I'm not going over 20mph.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though?

No, it's not a warning of cameras etc. but a limit on your speed. My car has one, once set you cannot go above the limit you set.

Very handy in a 30 limit, for example, where it is easy to drift above without noticing.

Does something exist for adding to older cars? I don't want to run some poor kid over because I'm looking at my speedo every few seconds to make sure I'm not going over 20mph.

Stick a carrot in yer exhaust #simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that? "

Why does the totting up law need to evolve?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

Why does the totting up law need to evolve?

Why does anything evolve? Do you pay the same for a house today as you did 10 years ago?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you only get points for doing things that are against the law? Id expect professional drivers to be more vigilant since they spend more time on the roads the opportunity to have an accident increases!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

To be fair it has evolved for new drivers, they only get 6 points as opposed to 12!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But you only get points for doing things that are against the law? Id expect professional drivers to be more vigilant since they spend more time on the roads the opportunity to have an accident increases!"

As does the opportunity to get caught speeding using your phone or not wearing a seatbelt all illegal but easily done by anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

Why does the totting up law need to evolve?

Why does anything evolve? Do you pay the same for a house today as you did 10 years ago? "

Completely irrelevant point and analogy. You're purporting that you should be allowed more penalty points on your licence?

I haven't seen a valid reason for it. Most offences generally carry 3 points unless they're more serious.

So you're arguing that being caught 4 times isn't a reasonable time to tell a driver that they've had enough chances? Would 5 make them feel better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As does the opportunity to get caught speeding using your phone or not wearing a seatbelt all illegal but easily done by anyone. "

Easy ? Maybe you'll see it that way when a loved one gets injured by someone driving whilst on their phone ? Bless they should have another chance !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The totting up point is moot, if you drive within the constraints of the law, you get no points.

It's really not that difficult to pay attention to your speed, put your seatbelt on, leave the phone in the glove box, not sit scoffing a Big Mac at the wheel, apply your lippy at 80mph.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

Why does the totting up law need to evolve?

Why does anything evolve? Do you pay the same for a house today as you did 10 years ago?

Completely irrelevant point and analogy. You're purporting that you should be allowed more penalty points on your licence?

I haven't seen a valid reason for it. Most offences generally carry 3 points unless they're more serious.

So you're arguing that being caught 4 times isn't a reasonable time to tell a driver that they've had enough chances? Would 5 make them feel better? "

If you read through the thread you'll find am not arguing in favour or against yet just playing devils advocate before I decide which way I swing on this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The totting up point is moot, if you drive within the constraints of the law, you get no points.

It's really not that difficult to pay attention to your speed, put your seatbelt on, leave the phone in the glove box, not sit scoffing a Big Mac at the wheel, apply your lippy at 80mph."

Lippy offences should be an automatic 1 year ban fs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As does the opportunity to get caught speeding using your phone or not wearing a seatbelt all illegal but easily done by anyone.

Easy ? Maybe you'll see it that way when a loved one gets injured by someone driving whilst on their phone ? Bless they should have another chance !!"

God forbid that happens to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence. "

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year? "

I couldn't care less, I'd be more happy for them to collect it another way than be mown down by a driver not paying attention or doing 50 in a 30 zone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that? "

I think technology has evolved more than road traffic laws.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year? "

How's would you suggest improving driver standards and penalising those who continuously flout the law as they feel it applies to everyone but them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

I think technology has evolved more than road traffic laws."

Absolutely.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

I couldn't care less, I'd be more happy for them to collect it another way than be mown down by a driver not paying attention or doing 50 in a 30 zone. "

What if that driver was a trained paramedic answering an emergency call?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

How's would you suggest improving driver standards and penalising those who continuously flout the law as they feel it applies to everyone but them? "

Bring back corporal punishment. Sore asses can't drive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. And to be fair, if you're driving for a living there is even more reason to ensure that you are doing so safely and responsibly.

Personally, I feel that all taxi drivers should take an advanced driving test, as every taxi driver I have seen drives without regard to other road users.

As an advanced motorist myself, I am a huge advocate for road safety.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope. Rules should apply to everyone and be enforced properly. I speed (like most people) and for 10 years I've had a clean license but I got caught doing 44 in a 30 zone in January and now have 3 points. Tough shit on me. I know the law and so do professional drivers. They know the risk to their livelihood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My sympathies don't belong to anyone who contravenes the rules that are intended to protect the innocent law abiding members of society.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

I couldn't care less, I'd be more happy for them to collect it another way than be mown down by a driver not paying attention or doing 50 in a 30 zone.

What if that driver was a trained paramedic answering an emergency call? "

Flashing lights and sirens are a clue for me to stay out the way of course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

How's would you suggest improving driver standards and penalising those who continuously flout the law as they feel it applies to everyone but them?

Bring back corporal punishment. Sore asses can't drive. "

great debate

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

I couldn't care less, I'd be more happy for them to collect it another way than be mown down by a driver not paying attention or doing 50 in a 30 zone.

What if that driver was a trained paramedic answering an emergency call?

Flashing lights and sirens are a clue for me to stay out the way of course. "

People still get killed by them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

How's would you suggest improving driver standards and penalising those who continuously flout the law as they feel it applies to everyone but them?

Bring back corporal punishment. Sore asses can't drive.

great debate"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive all over the country for work and have only ever had one speeding ticket. That was about 5 miles from my house and was my own fault. If you don't speed you don't get points, simple really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If totting up was made more harsh then perhaps road safety standards would improve.

People would think more before knowingly committing any driving offence.

How would that effect the government and the millions they rake in for fines each year?

How's would you suggest improving driver standards and penalising those who continuously flout the law as they feel it applies to everyone but them?

Bring back corporal punishment. Sore asses can't drive.

great debate

All joking aside...the average cost of investigating a fatal accident all in equates to an astronomical amount of money.

The cost of other collisions is hefty too.

So to be honest, any financial penalty going back into the running of the transport infrastructure is perfectly reasonable, if you're the one jeopardising it's smooth running?

I don't see how increasing the points on your licence will do anything but allow people to commit more offences? Maybe in the future driverless vehicles will prevent all of this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As does the opportunity to get caught speeding using your phone or not wearing a seatbelt all illegal but easily done by anyone. "

I think you are confusing the words anyone and morons.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

As does the opportunity to get caught speeding using your phone or not wearing a seatbelt all illegal but easily done by anyone.

I think you are confusing the words anyone and morons."

Possibly however anyone can be a moron one time or another.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wee Jean gets in her taxi to go to work as she's driving along she sees a clear road ahead and puts her foot doon a bit before she gets a chance to slow doon the cops get her on their Gatso (3 points), later that week she's using her phone as a mirror to fix her lippy gets caught and that's another (6 points), 3 months later she's off duty and out doing the family shop and forgets to buckle up on the way home, (licence lost) and so is her livelihood. Anyone sympathise with her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wee Jean gets in her taxi to go to work as she's driving along she sees a clear road ahead and puts her foot doon a bit before she gets a chance to slow doon the cops get her on their Gatso (3 points), later that week she's using her phone as a mirror to fix her lippy gets caught and that's another (6 points), 3 months later she's off duty and out doing the family shop and forgets to buckle up on the way home, (licence lost) and so is her livelihood. Anyone sympathise with her? "

Nope...she's a liability. Get her off the road.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wee James hasn't got a job and does the exact same except he uses his phone to fix his wig again licence lost however it won't effect his livelihood.

Wee Jean has been driving her taxi for 10 years without incident however this has been an unlucky year for her.

Wee Jim has only been driving two years and often boy races wherever he goes.

However in the eyes of the law they are both treated the same!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, she says an idiot. She knows the rules of the road. If she doesn't, then she shouldn't be driving anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wee Jean and Jim need to know that the can't flout traffic rules without consequence. Hopefully they will use the time they're banned to realise the error of their ways and become better drivers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wee Jean and Jim need to know that the can't flout traffic rules without consequence. Hopefully they will use the time they're banned to realise the error of their ways and become better drivers. "

Wee Jean will have to go on the dole and will probably die of starvation whilst wee Jim will probably still drive about illegally without insurance, kill someone and end up in prison.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Wee Jean's life could be saved by just allowing her another 3 points to compensate for her needing to drive for her job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wee Jean and Jim need to know that the can't flout traffic rules without consequence. Hopefully they will use the time they're banned to realise the error of their ways and become better drivers.

Wee Jean will have to go on the dole and will probably die of starvation whilst wee Jim will probably still drive about illegally without insurance, kill someone and end up in prison."

No sympathy for either of them. They're in control of their own destinies. They chose to drive like cockwombles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wee Jean's life could be saved by just allowing her another 3 points to compensate for her needing to drive for her job. "

With those extra 3 points, wee jean speeds outside a school and kills your daughter as she tries to cross the road. Still have sympathy for her?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If your a sales person driving 100's of miles a day often in unknown locations it only takes a bad day to tot up 12 points yet yer average Jo or Jane who drives much less has the same risk. Is that fair?

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By *nne CallanWoman
over a year ago

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though? "

it does not tell you about speed cameras. You set it to the speed shown by the road signs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wee Jean's life could be saved by just allowing her another 3 points to compensate for her needing to drive for her job.

With those extra 3 points, wee jean speeds outside a school and kills your daughter as she tries to cross the road. Still have sympathy for her? "

That's a bit extreme but fair point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

I think technology has evolved more than road traffic laws."

So knowledgeable about driving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive probably on average 700 miles a week for work I have never had a single point, fine or even been pulled over use your mirrors use your speedo and use your indicators All of which people Dont use and I'm not some one you get stuck behind going slow I do appropriate speeds for the roads I'm on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

simple solution to a difficult problem.

Is that ping thing not against the law though?

it does not tell you about speed cameras. You set it to the speed shown by the road signs. "

My inbuilt car sat nav tells me where they are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I drive probably on average 700 miles a week for work I have never had a single point, fine or even been pulled over use your mirrors use your speedo and use your indicators All of which people Dont use and I'm not some one you get stuck behind going slow I do appropriate speeds for the roads I'm on."

Touchwood fs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Road traffic laws have evolved in relation to technology but the totting up system has not, why is that?

I think technology has evolved more than road traffic laws.

So knowledgeable about driving.

Ella the only thing you drive is folk crazy with that sexy erse fs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How about if men where allowed more totting up points than women since guys generally drive more?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, one rule for all. Simples.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No, one rule for all. Simples. "

Naughty twosome imagine your in a debate team you've been allocated the 'for' cause and go......

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

People who exceed the 12 point ban limit can apply to avoid a ban by grounds of "professional hardship."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People who exceed the 12 point ban limit can apply to avoid a ban by grounds of "professional hardship."

Is that still the case?

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

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"People who exceed the 12 point ban limit can apply to avoid a ban by grounds of "professional hardship."

Is that still the case?"

Yes, and recent cases in the press show that it is abused considerably...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People who exceed the 12 point ban limit can apply to avoid a ban by grounds of "professional hardship."

Is that still the case?

Yes, and recent cases in the press show that it is abused considerably..."

So wee Jean doesn't need tae starve tae death?

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