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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

No,its a bloody hard life out there at the moment with loads of people being made redundant

Nice people are nice people regardless of their status jobwise

I could lose my job tomorrow im still the same person

What would possibly put me off if it was someone that had never worked at all ever,I would have to question why that was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

depend what you mean but from your "doesn't work" I am right in inferring you mean someone who does not want to work on a habitual basis?

If that was the case as long as they are self-financing it would make no difference but if they were living off my taxes then yes it would affect my respect for that person and therefore any potential meet.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?"

thats me buggered big time if thats the case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?"

not in the slightest

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

it could be people who don't work because they don't need too, people who live on benifits, people who can't work for disability.. any type

just meant people who don't work in general

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm retraining to be a sparky. Surely that must give someone a jolt.

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

doesn't matter in the slightest, it's the person I want to shag not their whole profession!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm retraining to be a sparky"

So that's your current role! I bet you get a right buzz out of it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It has in the past simply because I always meet socially first, and I always meet during my lunch hour or after work, so if they didn't turn up I'd lost nothing.

When I've decided to meet people that don't work they've expected me to go to them, me to phone/text them because they don't have credit etc.

Not hot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

surely everybody works in one way or another, unless they are bldy lazy.

if you don't have a job you work to find one, if you are a home parent you work from dawn till dusk on a variety of tasks, if you have money you may be working on a hobby or other project. All these could hold a rapport with me, but lazy peeps. Not really, not interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm retraining to be a sparky

So that's your current role! I bet you get a right buzz out of it "

lol.. am hoping to, have only just started the training. I need the electrician's cert to get into renewable energy, which is what I really want to do. Had enough of telecoms after 25 years.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?"

if anyone does then they are making very dangerous assumptions... there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im currently "between jobs" i really dis like the word unemployed ..ive worked for 40 years and it just doest sit right not to have any work .......im waiting on a few phone calls tho , i know im going to find something soon ......hope it wouldnt put anyone off meeting me ?????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"im currently "between jobs" i really dis like the word unemployed ..ive worked for 40 years and it just doest sit right not to have any work .......im waiting on a few phone calls tho , i know im going to find something soon ......hope it wouldnt put anyone off meeting me ?????"

keep working at it, you will get there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own...."

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly. "

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun! "

According to Sky News only a small % of them will be absorbed by the Sunday Sun as the Daily Sun workers will produce the new title. The majority of those NOTW workers are going to be paid off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If i was looking to date someone it would bother me and id probably not look twice at someone who didn't work and had never worked/ showed no interest in wanting to work. As another poster mentioned id be relied upon to pay for everything, jump through hoops to accommodate him etc

Having said that i was working 60hours a week when i was that judgmental.

Now being a single parent and recieving help in the form of some benifits ive learnt that life isnt at all easy and im aware that people are loosing their jobs through no fault of their own.

Still don't think i could date someone who has never worked and shows no interest in wanting too.

Swinging though, a shag is a shag

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

According to Sky News only a small % of them will be absorbed by the Sunday Sun as the Daily Sun workers will produce the new title. The majority of those NOTW workers are going to be paid off."

Let's hope they use any money they get retraining or setting up their own small businesses. I wonder how many will be spending it on doing up the house, new leather sofas or holidays?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly. "

I feel for the innocent ones caught up in all of this

...and anyone else losing their jobs through no fault of their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's hope they use any money they get retraining or setting up their own small businesses. I wonder how many will be spending it on doing up the house, new leather sofas or holidays?"

It's up to them what they spend their redundancy on isn't it? Same as anybody else made redundant.

Their skills are not redundant so most of them will get jobs on other publications I suspect, but it's unsettling to be thrown out of a job at a moments notice and lose your length of service, security etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's hope they use any money they get retraining or setting up their own small businesses. I wonder how many will be spending it on doing up the house, new leather sofas or holidays?

It's up to them what they spend their redundancy on isn't it? Same as anybody else made redundant.

Their skills are not redundant so most of them will get jobs on other publications I suspect, but it's unsettling to be thrown out of a job at a moments notice and lose your length of service, security etc. "

yep, I knows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag "

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!"

Well id not spend out more than any other meet.. its 50/50 or no meet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

According to Sky News only a small % of them will be absorbed by the Sunday Sun as the Daily Sun workers will produce the new title. The majority of those NOTW workers are going to be paid off."

Hmmm and pigs fly and hipos can breakdance!!!

If they only needed one set of staff they would have reduced numbers years ago. I hardly thing staff at the sun have 20 hrs a week spare to do another publication every week. The Sunday sun will be the same as before with just another name and mostly the same staff.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Would i meet someone who was unemployed, most definetly if they fitted my criteria of which one of it is they travel to me.

Would i meet a sub section of the unemployed, the scroungers, lazy, gits that have no intention of ever wanting a job , then no i wouldnt

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!"

me neither and I seriously doubt id find myself attracted to someone that had no work ethics and was a lazy shite,I do have to have some sort of rapport with people that we play with,there are times when I actually speak to playmates about stuff other than sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!

me neither and I seriously doubt id find myself attracted to someone that had no work ethics and was a lazy shite,I do have to have some sort of rapport with people that we play with,there are times when I actually speak to playmates about stuff other than sex"

ooo er, bldy ell!

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!

me neither and I seriously doubt id find myself attracted to someone that had no work ethics and was a lazy shite,I do have to have some sort of rapport with people that we play with,there are times when I actually speak to playmates about stuff other than sex

ooo er, bldy ell! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly. "

Not Rebekah Brooks though-she still has her job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!

me neither and I seriously doubt id find myself attracted to someone that had no work ethics and was a lazy shite,I do have to have some sort of rapport with people that we play with,there are times when I actually speak to playmates about stuff other than sex"

"Like minded people" means more than just same sexual preferences, so agree with you, I couldn't, and have never met anyone that didn't have a work ethic.

I've had some great chats with playmates, especially as they've all been quite senior people in private companies and I'm a trade unionist!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

Not Rebekah Brooks though-she still has her job"

It does prompt the question whether she was moved on - and up - in 2007 because the Murdochs knew of the storm approaching and knew full well that they intended to shut the paper down. It happened all too fast in the world of corporate dealings for it to have been completely on the hoof. They wanted her but not the paper as they knew full well that the govt had serious doubts over their plurality in potentially owning the Sky corporation lock, stock and barrel, as well as four of the biggest newspapers in the UK. This was no reactionary decision taken this week, it was planned years ago I reckon.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

well i have just heard thru "a mate of a mate" that sky TV are panicking big time, so many people have said they are going to up and leave that they are now giving people big time discounts to stay....

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

When it comes to deciding who I meet, I don’t really care what job someone does and so it really wouldn’t put me off if they have found themselves in a situation where they are between jobs.

However, pretty much anyone who decides not to work and chooses to rely on benefits, thinking society owes it to them… well I think of these people in derogatory terms… so why would I want to shag someone I thought was a scrounging selfish scumbag?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

would I meet someone who was unemployed and looking hard for work... of course. I wish them every success.

some can't for very genuine health reasons, child care, caring for a sick relative etc and again yes....

would I meet someone who spent their entire time on the dole scrounging and a lot of their time on here instead of doing some kind of voluntary work... no, a most definate NO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread has to rank right up there with the most absurd.

Do you all go through references, bank statements and hold an inquiry into the work ethics or otherwise of potential meets?

I used to think this was a swinging site.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This thread has to rank right up there with the most absurd.

Do you all go through references, bank statements and hold an inquiry into the work ethics or otherwise of potential meets?

I used to think this was a swinging site. "

can post threads on any subject, reading the posts & commenting on them isnt compulsory.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

on a dating site that may be a consideration but to meet up for a shag? Don't give a toss what folks do for a living! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread has to rank right up there with the most absurd.

Do you all go through references, bank statements and hold an inquiry into the work ethics or otherwise of potential meets?

I used to think this was a swinging site. "

It is, but this is the Lounge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun! "

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly. "

Not strictly true, some of them must have been working on the data obtained from numerous intercepted phone messages, clearing voicemails etc.

A different debate but one must question their conscience and morals. A jobs a job and a wage is a wage but is there a limit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Now the News of the World is going out of print I was starting to wonder how I would get my weekly supply of whining, complaining, gossip, general outrage and complete bullshit.

Then I remembered I have a wife

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z"

too true..... our business went bust when the maxwell group folded wed just supplied the supplier of the colour printing presses they went down owing us 100 grand .there will be huge knock on effect from this ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z"

Not responsible but must still share some of the blame. From the carriers who hauled the rolls of paper into Wapping to the corner newsagent who sold the rag - they should all hang their heads in shame.

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By *eorge17Man
over a year ago

Leven


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Now the News of the World is going out of print I was starting to wonder how I would get my weekly supply of whining, complaining, gossip, general outrage and complete bullshit.

Then I remembered I have a wife"

and you come in here

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z

Not responsible but must still share some of the blame. From the carriers who hauled the rolls of paper into Wapping to the corner newsagent who sold the rag - they should all hang their heads in shame."

How can you say that? How could the paper supplier or the cleaner possibly have any idea what was going on? You're trolling, surely? Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"would I meet someone who was unemployed and looking hard for work... of course. I wish them every success.

some can't for very genuine health reasons, child care, caring for a sick relative etc and again yes....

would I meet someone who spent their entire time on the dole scrounging and a lot of their time on here instead of doing some kind of voluntary work... no, a most definate NO.

"

Yer thoughtful words when I was unemployed earlier this year ain`t fergotten View....

Only the habitually lazy would raise a concern fer me ...peeps like that have a different energy then a proactive person...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z

too true..... our business went bust when the maxwell group folded wed just supplied the supplier of the colour printing presses they went down owing us 100 grand .there will be huge knock on effect from this ..."

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

We don't ask our potential meets what job they do , and we don't tell them what we do.

A couple have offered the information, but by then we had already decided we were to meet. If at that point they had said they were uneployed, it still wouldn't have made any difference.

There for the grace of god and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread has to rank right up there with the most absurd.

Do you all go through references, bank statements and hold an inquiry into the work ethics or otherwise of potential meets?

I used to think this was a swinging site.

can post threads on any subject, reading the posts & commenting on them isnt compulsory. "

+1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z

Not responsible but must still share some of the blame. From the carriers who hauled the rolls of paper into Wapping to the corner newsagent who sold the rag - they should all hang their heads in shame.

How can you say that? How could the paper supplier or the cleaner possibly have any idea what was going on? You're trolling, surely? Z"

The paper supplier and the cleaner and the security guard and the tealady and every other member of staff and the distribution chain only needed to read the trash printed by their employer to know what was going on.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

"

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z

Not responsible but must still share some of the blame. From the carriers who hauled the rolls of paper into Wapping to the corner newsagent who sold the rag - they should all hang their heads in shame.

How can you say that? How could the paper supplier or the cleaner possibly have any idea what was going on? You're trolling, surely? Z

The paper supplier and the cleaner and the security guard and the tealady and every other member of staff and the distribution chain only needed to read the trash printed by their employer to know what was going on."

What a ridiculous thing to say! This has only just come to light with regards to the hacking of the phone of milly dowler and the soldiers families, how could the toilet attendant have known that through reading the paper!? Z

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?"

What are you own _iews on this? Would it affect your opinion of a person? Z

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?

What are you own _iews on this? Would it affect your opinion of a person? Z"

ive already given my answer

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?

What are you own _iews on this? Would it affect your opinion of a person? Z

ive already given my answer"

lol - sorry, I'll reread! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".. there are a lot of people losing jobs at the moment thru no faults of there own....

500 NOTW workers would back that up wholeheartedly.

They are all currently busy putting in applications for the NEW Sunday Sun!

I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff.

Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z

Not responsible but must still share some of the blame. From the carriers who hauled the rolls of paper into Wapping to the corner newsagent who sold the rag - they should all hang their heads in shame.

How can you say that? How could the paper supplier or the cleaner possibly have any idea what was going on? You're trolling, surely? Z

The paper supplier and the cleaner and the security guard and the tealady and every other member of staff and the distribution chain only needed to read the trash printed by their employer to know what was going on.

What a ridiculous thing to say! This has only just come to light with regards to the hacking of the phone of milly dowler and the soldiers families, how could the toilet attendant have known that through reading the paper!? Z"

If you think the phone hacking of the people you mention is the only thing the NotW has been doing wrong for years than I can understand your reaction. I disagree.

The Sun and NotW have been ruining lives, marriages and careers for profit and in pursuit of what they call 'the public interest' for years and they are finally getting their cumeuppance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?"

They all carry a share of the blame.

I'd excuse the people who made the paper and the ink - they couldn't have known where it would end up just as someone who makes bullets can't know that some of them will end up in Zimbabwe.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?

They all carry a share of the blame.

I'd excuse the people who made the paper and the ink - they couldn't have known where it would end up just as someone who makes bullets can't know that some of them will end up in Zimbabwe.

"

What a strange comment to make

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?

They all carry a share of the blame.

I'd excuse the people who made the paper and the ink - they couldn't have known where it would end up just as someone who makes bullets can't know that some of them will end up in Zimbabwe.

"

So van drivers,printers.cleaners and the like share the blame equally wih the Murdochs,Brooks,Coulson and the journalists who were hacking phones?

Tosh of the highest order.You've surpassed yourself.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"

They all carry a share of the blame.

"

No they don't, what a wierd way of looking at this, but hey-ho it does take all sorts I suppose!

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By *im halpertMan
over a year ago

redditch

no no no!you cannot blame the workers for what the fat cat bosses do.have you ever worked for a big company?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?"
nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?

They all carry a share of the blame.

I'd excuse the people who made the paper and the ink - they couldn't have known where it would end up just as someone who makes bullets can't know that some of them will end up in Zimbabwe.

What a strange comment to make "

In what way is it strange? The machine that is News International, a machine that eats up and spits out people, can only function if every link, however modest, in the chain is functioning.

Even the toilet cleaner's apprentice only had to read the NotW to know the kind of people they were working for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no no no!you cannot blame the workers for what the fat cat bosses do.have you ever worked for a big company?"

The high-heidyins at NI weren't bad because they were fat cats (that was just a by product) - they were bad, and still are, because they didn't and don't care about people - only profit.

Yes, I have worked for a big company - the MOD.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?

They all carry a share of the blame.

I'd excuse the people who made the paper and the ink - they couldn't have known where it would end up just as someone who makes bullets can't know that some of them will end up in Zimbabwe.

What a strange comment to make

In what way is it strange? The machine that is News International, a machine that eats up and spits out people, can only function if every link, however modest, in the chain is functioning.

Even the toilet cleaner's apprentice only had to read the NotW to know the kind of people they were working for."

but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

To be honest, I am finding it hard to answer why, as it sounds so absurd ( not my answer but your explanation)so I won't ( apart from this one of course)

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life"

Is nt this what it is all about? It is up to the individual whether or not the "sense" that sharing of joint responsibility - I am not sure one can expect it from everybody as for one people live under different circumstances and also it is about personal choice and freedom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest, I am finding it hard to answer why, as it sounds so absurd ( not my answer but your explanation)so I won't ( apart from this one of course)"

have you been dipping them biscuits in gin again ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

.............

but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life"

My experience of the south east and London in particular suggests there's no shortage of cleaning jobs.

I accept it's easy for me to say this but it might actually be better to be unemployed than work for NI.

Some NotW workers may, in fact, be looking forward to unemployment because, according to the NotW, the unemployed all get get free 3-bedroom houses and 30k+ a year in benefits - so no harm done, eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life

Is nt this what it is all about? It is up to the individual whether or not the "sense" that sharing of joint responsibility - I am not sure one can expect it from everybody as for one people live under different circumstances and also it is about personal choice and freedom?"

It's one thing if you genuinely don't have a choice; like the people who drove the trains into the death camps or who operated the gas chambers.

Others are responsible for the decisions they make, including who you're prepared to work for.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"it could be people who don't work because they don't need too, people who live on benifits, people who can't work for disability.. any type

just meant people who don't work in general"

Let's _iew this from another angle!

I'm unemployed at the moment, after having been made redundant in February after our company had to make cutbacks.

Since then, I've made almost 250 applications in a little over 4 months, with a grand total of only 4, yes, 4 replies to tell me I was unsuccessful.

I can't even find part time work as in my city there are 18,000 people looking for work. I'm 56, don't qualify for retraining, but I don't give up and follow the format that looking for work becomes a job!

So, asking you in the nicest way possible, how do you qualify me with that comment?

Or put it another way, how would you feel if someone _iewed you in the same asinine way?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"..

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but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life

My experience of the south east and London in particular suggests there's no shortage of cleaning jobs.

I accept it's easy for me to say this but it might actually be better to be unemployed than work for NI.

Some NotW workers may, in fact, be looking forward to unemployment because, according to the NotW, the unemployed all get get free 3-bedroom houses and 30k+ a year in benefits - so no harm done, eh?"

yes there maybe are more cleaning jobs... but getting employed by an established employer is worth a lot... coming off benefits to take a job is for many a huge risk and getting money again if it goes tits up... is a tough one if you have mouths to feed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

.............

but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life

My experience of the south east and London in particular suggests there's no shortage of cleaning jobs.

I accept it's easy for me to say this but it might actually be better to be unemployed than work for NI.

Some NotW workers may, in fact, be looking forward to unemployment because, according to the NotW, the unemployed all get get free 3-bedroom houses and 30k+ a year in benefits - so no harm done, eh?

yes there maybe are more cleaning jobs... but getting employed by an established employer is worth a lot... coming off benefits to take a job is for many a huge risk and getting money again if it goes tits up... is a tough one if you have mouths to feed..

"

I appreciate giving up a settled job is a big ask but I'd venture that many of the NotW employees knew what it was like before they went to work there.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"..

.............

but for a cleaner it may be their only chance of a job... kids to feed, better to work there than take benefits for their self worth...

doesn't make them guilty for the sins of those on tens and tens of thousands... the minimum wage is a great leveller in life

My experience of the south east and London in particular suggests there's no shortage of cleaning jobs.

I accept it's easy for me to say this but it might actually be better to be unemployed than work for NI.

Some NotW workers may, in fact, be looking forward to unemployment because, according to the NotW, the unemployed all get get free 3-bedroom houses and 30k+ a year in benefits - so no harm done, eh?

yes there maybe are more cleaning jobs... but getting employed by an established employer is worth a lot... coming off benefits to take a job is for many a huge risk and getting money again if it goes tits up... is a tough one if you have mouths to feed..

I appreciate giving up a settled job is a big ask but I'd venture that many of the NotW employees knew what it was like before they went to work there."

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

and for the people doing the roles that a lot won't do.... and/or never get the recognition of being a valued member of the team,,, security man, canteen lady.... highly unlikely, they worry about the next paycheck, staying off the dole, staying in employment...not corporate/company ethics

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"it could be people who don't work because they don't need too, people who live on benifits, people who can't work for disability.. any type

just meant people who don't work in general

Let's _iew this from another angle!

I'm unemployed at the moment, after having been made redundant in February after our company had to make cutbacks.

Since then, I've made almost 250 applications in a little over 4 months, with a grand total of only 4, yes, 4 replies to tell me I was unsuccessful.

I can't even find part time work as in my city there are 18,000 people looking for work. I'm 56, don't qualify for retraining, but I don't give up and follow the format that looking for work becomes a job!

So, asking you in the nicest way possible, how do you qualify me with that comment?

Or put it another way, how would you feel if someone _iewed you in the same asinine way?"

It must be really difficult to remain positive - many people are in similar situations and I hope you will find something suitable soon xx

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"it could be people who don't work because they don't need too, people who live on benifits, people who can't work for disability.. any type

just meant people who don't work in general

Let's _iew this from another angle!

I'm unemployed at the moment, after having been made redundant in February after our company had to make cutbacks.

Since then, I've made almost 250 applications in a little over 4 months, with a grand total of only 4, yes, 4 replies to tell me I was unsuccessful.

I can't even find part time work as in my city there are 18,000 people looking for work. I'm 56, don't qualify for retraining, but I don't give up and follow the format that looking for work becomes a job!

So, asking you in the nicest way possible, how do you qualify me with that comment?

Or put it another way, how would you feel if someone _iewed you in the same asinine way?"

the very best of luck to you in your search for something .....

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"it could be people who don't work because they don't need too, people who live on benifits, people who can't work for disability.. any type

just meant people who don't work in general

Let's _iew this from another angle!

I'm unemployed at the moment, after having been made redundant in February after our company had to make cutbacks.

Since then, I've made almost 250 applications in a little over 4 months, with a grand total of only 4, yes, 4 replies to tell me I was unsuccessful.

I can't even find part time work as in my city there are 18,000 people looking for work. I'm 56, don't qualify for retraining, but I don't give up and follow the format that looking for work becomes a job!

So, asking you in the nicest way possible, how do you qualify me with that comment?

Or put it another way, how would you feel if someone _iewed you in the same asinine way?

the very best of luck to you in your search for something ..... "

Thanks for your comments.

It does get tough going; I'm single, which doesn't help, that is, if I was married, then I'd have the support to keep me going!

And all the time, despite scrimping and scraping, the bank balance diminishes.

I can survive until late September, then I have to consider where I go from there, do I have to sell my home to avoid further problems?

It's not easy, but I keep plodding on!

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Well, AV... I have read some stupid things on here before, but your posts on this thread must rank as an all time low, even for you!


" Others are responsible for the decisions they make, including who you're prepared to work for."

So you worked for the MOD... The MOD has been responsible for killing civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan, probably other places too! That makes you guilty as the guy at the top! Why did you work there??? Surely you should not have taken the job as you knew what business they were in!

Where do you suppose those printers were going to find jobs? Are there loads of such jobs about? You are so concerned with your political _iewpoint that you have no idea about the real world. And to lay blame at the door of ordinary workers for something they have no control over, except giving up their jobs and security of families!

Not everyone can have to luxury of working in their ideal job!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, AV... I have read some stupid things on here before, but your posts on this thread must rank as an all time low, even for you!

Others are responsible for the decisions they make, including who you're prepared to work for.

So you worked for the MOD... The MOD has been responsible for killing civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan, probably other places too! That makes you guilty as the guy at the top! Why did you work there??? Surely you should not have taken the job as you knew what business they were in!

Where do you suppose those printers were going to find jobs? Are there loads of such jobs about? You are so concerned with your political _iewpoint that you have no idea about the real world. And to lay blame at the door of ordinary workers for something they have no control over, except giving up their jobs and security of families!

Not everyone can have to luxury of working in their ideal job!

"

That is a really good point you have put there! Can't wait to see the reply

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

.........

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

................"

I'd have thought new graduates, perhaps brought up on Harry Potter, would be exactly the kind of people to recognise Wapping as the spiritual home of the Dark Arts.

As for NI being a blue chip employer - we'd have to agree to differ on that.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

AV,

Your comments about unemployed people are crass and highly insensitive.

Where the hell do you get figures of £30k benefits and 3 bedroom homes from?

I get £3500p.a. Job Seekers allowance plus Council Tax relief....and that's it!

But if a major employer like the NoTW came up with a job offer, certainly any employer whose history might not be exactly the best, I'd NOT refuse the job because of my principles!

I'd take it because my pride wants me to work, not taking benefits. Certainly, I would take the job with eyes wide open, but for you to cast a slur on unemployed people is insensitive.

Maybe, you need to go on the dole and learn just what the hell it's really like!

Come down to Hull, and join the 18,000 people here who are looking for work in this city alone!

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"AV,

Your comments about unemployed people are crass and highly insensitive.

Where the hell do you get figures of £30k benefits and 3 bedroom homes from?

I get £3500p.a. Job Seekers allowance plus Council Tax relief....and that's it!

But if a major employer like the NoTW came up with a job offer, certainly any employer whose history might not be exactly the best, I'd NOT refuse the job because of my principles!

I'd take it because my pride wants me to work, not taking benefits. Certainly, I would take the job with eyes wide open, but for you to cast a slur on unemployed people is insensitive.

Maybe, you need to go on the dole and learn just what the hell it's really like!

Come down to Hull, and join the 18,000 people here who are looking for work in this city alone!"

+1 Nicely put fella..

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Genguy...

after a long career and a personal tragedy, I left a company with a payout, I suddenly saw investments in stocks and shares plummet... and had a very tough year. It was harder than I had thought to get a role.. I was a Director with a Telco and it is surprising how the recruiters treat you like a human property.. they are akin to human estate agents, they sell you but don't care about you. I saw a six figure sum go to a very low five figure. I was very very low in life.......

I took a role on the minimum wage... working the reception, cleaning and maintaining a friends gay sauna.. I cleaned, wiped the shit of play beds and picked up condoms off the floor.. the GAYS can be messy

best thing I ever did... it took me out, gave me something to do.. got my mind active again after spending too much time on here..... a sense of purpose.

and I had a few great friends on here x

I went from £100k plus a year to the minimum wage....... was a huge leveller in life and one I will never, ever, ever forget....

then 2 roles came out of the blue and back up I went.. but never for a moment will I forget.

stay focused, something will come... good luck x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"if a person doesn't work, does it affect if you would consider meeting them or not? or change any opinion of them?"

Of course not why would it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, AV... I have read some stupid things on here before, but your posts on this thread must rank as an all time low, even for you!

Others are responsible for the decisions they make, including who you're prepared to work for.

So you worked for the MOD... The MOD has been responsible for killing civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan, probably other places too! That makes you guilty as the guy at the top! Why did you work there??? Surely you should not have taken the job as you knew what business they were in!

Where do you suppose those printers were going to find jobs? Are there loads of such jobs about? You are so concerned with your political _iewpoint that you have no idea about the real world. And to lay blame at the door of ordinary workers for something they have no control over, except giving up their jobs and security of families!

Not everyone can have to luxury of working in their ideal job!

"

I accept my culpability in MOD actions over the years. I enlisted knowing full well what the MOD did (and do) and whilst, I won't claim to be comfortable with all of it, the good vastly outweighs the bad.

Your argument fails because the MOD doesn't set out to deliberately destroy innocent lives. The NotW does.

The MOD doesn't do it for profit. The NotW does.

Nobody at MOD gets paid what Murdoch and his hench(wo)men get paid.

I could go on.

You mention my political _iewpoint. My political _iewpoint means I should be 100% supportive of workers about to lose their jobs regardless of the rights or wrongs of the situation.

I reserve the right to form my own opinions based on the facts as I see them.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"AV,

Your comments about unemployed people are crass and highly insensitive.

Where the hell do you get figures of £30k benefits and 3 bedroom homes from?

I get £3500p.a. Job Seekers allowance plus Council Tax relief....and that's it!

But if a major employer like the NoTW came up with a job offer, certainly any employer whose history might not be exactly the best, I'd NOT refuse the job because of my principles!

I'd take it because my pride wants me to work, not taking benefits. Certainly, I would take the job with eyes wide open, but for you to cast a slur on unemployed people is insensitive.

Maybe, you need to go on the dole and learn just what the hell it's really like!

Come down to Hull, and join the 18,000 people here who are looking for work in this city alone!"

I think some people need to live in the real world and not walk around blinkered seeing what they want to.

A short sharp shock in the real world is what some people need.

I really hope you are successful with finding my job, my son has just got himself sorted after a long strugglexxx

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"..

.........

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

................

I'd have thought new graduates, perhaps brought up on Harry Potter, would be exactly the kind of people to recognise Wapping as the spiritual home of the Dark Arts.

As for NI being a blue chip employer - we'd have to agree to differ on that."

happy to.... but humility is a great thing.

I usually like your posts... but this one.. you have forgotten from where you have come,,, and I dont know where you have come from.. or where you are... but in your words there is no caring.. no sensitivity of the struggles of others..

x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"AV,

Your comments about unemployed people are crass and highly insensitive.

Where the hell do you get figures of £30k benefits and 3 bedroom homes from?

.................."

As I said and show in the quote from above - from the NotW.


"...............

Some NotW workers may, in fact, be looking forward to unemployment because, according to the NotW, the unemployed all get get free 3-bedroom houses and 30k+ a year in benefits - so no harm done, eh?"

If I have made crass or insensitive comments about unemployed people then I apolgise unreservedly - but I genuinely doubt I did.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... where do i start...

as has been discussed in other threads, most of the people now employed by NotW were not the same people who were there at the time of the alleged hacking....

AV... you tarred everyone with the same brish

so those people at the bottom are in effect paying for the sins of those at the top....

I may not like the paper, but I do have sympathy for those not involved...

I don't think I have heard such a heartless attitude in quite a while....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

.........

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

................

I'd have thought new graduates, perhaps brought up on Harry Potter, would be exactly the kind of people to recognise Wapping as the spiritual home of the Dark Arts.

As for NI being a blue chip employer - we'd have to agree to differ on that.

happy to.... but humility is a great thing.

I usually like your posts... but this one.. you have forgotten from where you have come,,, and I dont know where you have come from.. or where you are... but in your words there is no caring.. no sensitivity of the struggles of others..

x"

I can only reiterate that my feelings are for those who lives have been ruined by NotW for nothing but corporate profit and that I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for the people in their employ who made it possible for them to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now the News of the World is going out of print I was starting to wonder how I would get my weekly supply of whining, complaining, gossip, general outrage and complete bullshit.

Then I remembered I have a wife"

+1

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"..

.........

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

................

I'd have thought new graduates, perhaps brought up on Harry Potter, would be exactly the kind of people to recognise Wapping as the spiritual home of the Dark Arts.

As for NI being a blue chip employer - we'd have to agree to differ on that.

happy to.... but humility is a great thing.

I usually like your posts... but this one.. you have forgotten from where you have come,,, and I dont know where you have come from.. or where you are... but in your words there is no caring.. no sensitivity of the struggles of others..

x

I can only reiterate that my feelings are for those who lives have been ruined by NotW for nothing but corporate profit and that I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for the people in their employ who made it possible for them to do so."

at least you try...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

.........

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

................

I'd have thought new graduates, perhaps brought up on Harry Potter, would be exactly the kind of people to recognise Wapping as the spiritual home of the Dark Arts.

As for NI being a blue chip employer - we'd have to agree to differ on that.

happy to.... but humility is a great thing.

I usually like your posts... but this one.. you have forgotten from where you have come,,, and I dont know where you have come from.. or where you are... but in your words there is no caring.. no sensitivity of the struggles of others..

x

I can only reiterate that my feelings are for those who lives have been ruined by NotW for nothing but corporate profit and that I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for the people in their employ who made it possible for them to do so.

at least you try..."

No' very hard

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"I accept my culpability in MOD actions over the years. I enlisted knowing full well what the MOD did (and do) and whilst, I won't claim to be comfortable with all of it, the good vastly outweighs the bad. "

That makes you a murderer!!! But anyway, look at all the good the NOTW has done in its 160 years! It is ahead of the game in catching nasties and getting them jailed! It is the one thing that just about all agree on… You cannot blame the papers heritage for the last 20 years of wrongdoing!


"Your argument fails because the MOD doesn't set out to deliberately destroy innocent lives. The NotW does. "

Err… People can recover from a bad press! Try getting up and brushing yourself down after being killed!


"The MOD doesn't do it for profit. The NotW does. "

Not for profit??? You are having a baby giraffe! So just who is it that sells weapons to foreign powers that kill even more innocent people? The UK are the one of the biggest suppliers of arms and the MOD/Government (part of the same entity so by your reckoning..) have to approve those sales! AND get the export taxes at least!


"Nobody at MOD gets paid what Murdoch and his hench(wo)men get paid. "

Jealousy is such an ugly trait!


"I could go on. "

We had noticed!


"You mention my political _iewpoint. My political _iewpoint means I should be 100% supportive of workers about to lose their jobs regardless of the rights or wrongs of the situation. "
(should there be a question mark?)


"I reserve the right to form my own opinions based on the facts as I see them. "

I see the word “facts” no longer means something that is true, more what YOU want to be true! In your ivory tower you cannot see that most don’t have the choices that you very obviously have, but I just see the pot calling the kettle black!

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"..

.........

some definately.... some might.... and for some starting a career, excited with a new degree, picked up via a milk round to work for a blue chip.... probably not....

................

I'd have thought new graduates, perhaps brought up on Harry Potter, would be exactly the kind of people to recognise Wapping as the spiritual home of the Dark Arts.

As for NI being a blue chip employer - we'd have to agree to differ on that.

happy to.... but humility is a great thing.

I usually like your posts... but this one.. you have forgotten from where you have come,,, and I dont know where you have come from.. or where you are... but in your words there is no caring.. no sensitivity of the struggles of others..

x

I can only reiterate that my feelings are for those who lives have been ruined by NotW for nothing but corporate profit and that I find it very hard to work up any sympathy for the people in their employ who made it possible for them to do so.

at least you try..."

Hear Hear!

AV,,

You are certainly allowed to have your own opinion, as do I.

But you cheapen yourself to compare the NoTW and the MOD!

If you were that concerned about the principles you condemn in the NoTW workforce, how is it you stayed in the MOD and contradict those principles.

How is it you didn't have the balls to stay out in the first place, or once you discovered what the MOD was up to, how come your principles didn't make you think to get out?

The closure of the NoTW will impact on many people; their lower level personnel, those personnel who've just joined the company, their suppliers and their respective personnel, the list is endless.

Yet according to what you've spouted on in here, you blame them just as badly as those right at the top! Wrong!

Opinionated you may be, but you are utterly out of touch with reality!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If using lethal force in accordance with NATO/ HMG/ MOD ROE counts as murder there's a lot more of us around than most people would like to think, including some who've been honoured, some posthumously, by their country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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How is it you didn't have the balls to stay out in the first place, or once you discovered what the MOD was up to, how come your principles didn't make you think to get out?

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I knew exactly what MOD was 'up to' as you so pejoratively put it and calculated, correctly as I believe with the benefit of the hindsight of nearly 30 years service, that I'd leave it a better place than I found it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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The closure of the NoTW will impact on many people; their lower level personnel, those personnel who've just joined the company, their suppliers and their respective personnel, the list is endless.

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If you sup with the Devil you better use a long spoon 'cos it will surely come back and bite you.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"If using lethal force in accordance with NATO/ HMG/ MOD ROE counts as murder there's a lot more of us around than most people would like to think, including some who've been honoured, some posthumously, by their country."

Ahh, I see! Trying to illicit sympathy for your _iewpoint by pointing out that if you are guilty, so are they! But if the NotW workers are guilty as you say, then it has to be extended to all workforces... Everywhere!

But remember, I don't think that a workforce is responsible for the bosses actions! .... You do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If using lethal force in accordance with NATO/ HMG/ MOD ROE counts as murder there's a lot more of us around than most people would like to think, including some who've been honoured, some posthumously, by their country.

Ahh, I see! Trying to illicit sympathy for your _iewpoint by pointing out that if you are guilty, so are they! But if the NotW workers are guilty as you say, then it has to be extended to all workforces... Everywhere!

But remember, I don't think that a workforce is responsible for the bosses actions! .... You do! "

I can't promise I'm not guilty of the act. Naval warfare is invariably conducted at long distance and over the horizon.

All I can promise is that every act was in compliance with the Rules of Engagement. I'd hope every member of the Armed Forces can say the same.

It doesn't particularly make me proud but it doesn't keep me awake.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"All I can promise is that every act was in compliance with the Rules of Engagement. I'd hope every member of the Armed Forces can say the same."

Oh well, if that is how you can call NotW employees and excuse yourself... Glad you can sleep at night!

I feel really bad now, because a guy was killed many years ago at a fireworks factory I worked at! By your reckoning, I am as responsible as the person who caused the accident!

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"If using lethal force in accordance with NATO/ HMG/ MOD ROE counts as murder there's a lot more of us around than most people would like to think, including some who've been honoured, some posthumously, by their country.

Ahh, I see! Trying to illicit sympathy for your _iewpoint by pointing out that if you are guilty, so are they! But if the NotW workers are guilty as you say, then it has to be extended to all workforces... Everywhere!

But remember, I don't think that a workforce is responsible for the bosses actions! .... You do!

I can't promise I'm not guilty of the act. Naval warfare is invariably conducted at long distance and over the horizon.

All I can promise is that every act was in compliance with the Rules of Engagement. I'd hope every member of the Armed Forces can say the same.

It doesn't particularly make me proud but it doesn't keep me awake."

AV.

You are clearly delusional.

You don't have a clue do you?

You simply have no ruddy idea what life is like for the majority of us these days.

I could battle on trying to get you to see sense, from the perspective of the real world, but you'd only wriggle out of facing up to what happens to real people.

Problem is, if I really wanted to say to you what should be said, A) I'd still not get through and B) I'd be removed from these forums for a long time!

Thing is, why should I have to reduce myself to your blinkered level?

I'm better than that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If using lethal force in accordance with NATO/ HMG/ MOD ROE counts as murder there's a lot more of us around than most people would like to think, including some who've been honoured, some posthumously, by their country.

Ahh, I see! Trying to illicit sympathy for your _iewpoint by pointing out that if you are guilty, so are they! But if the NotW workers are guilty as you say, then it has to be extended to all workforces... Everywhere!

But remember, I don't think that a workforce is responsible for the bosses actions! .... You do!

I can't promise I'm not guilty of the act. Naval warfare is invariably conducted at long distance and over the horizon.

All I can promise is that every act was in compliance with the Rules of Engagement. I'd hope every member of the Armed Forces can say the same.

It doesn't particularly make me proud but it doesn't keep me awake.

AV.

You are clearly delusional.

You don't have a clue do you?

You simply have no ruddy idea what life is like for the majority of us these days.

I could battle on trying to get you to see sense, from the perspective of the real world, but you'd only wriggle out of facing up to what happens to real people.

Problem is, if I really wanted to say to you what should be said, A) I'd still not get through and B) I'd be removed from these forums for a long time!

Thing is, why should I have to reduce myself to your blinkered level?

I'm better than that "

Feel free to PM me. I promise not to report anything you say.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"

AV.

You are clearly delusional.

You don't have a clue do you?

You simply have no ruddy idea what life is like for the majority of us these days.

I could battle on trying to get you to see sense, from the perspective of the real world, but you'd only wriggle out of facing up to what happens to real people.

Problem is, if I really wanted to say to you what should be said, A) I'd still not get through and B) I'd be removed from these forums for a long time!

Thing is, why should I have to reduce myself to your blinkered level?

I'm better than that "

And he would be selective in what he answered!

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

Actually, you know what? I am going to leave this to AV... His _iew is certainly not the _iew of most, I'd wager. Everytime I post, he gets more publicity.. So here I stop!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Actually, you know what? I am going to leave this to AV... His _iew is certainly not the _iew of most, I'd wager. Everytime I post, he gets more publicity.. So here I stop!"

Deo Gratias.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

My take on it is this :

IF all those involved in this immoral affair were SACKED, on the spot as often happens in private companies, there would be a lot of vacancies available.

Not just in newspapers, but in the police and parliament too. How many enquiries found themselves not to blame of any wrongdoing?

Fraud by numerous MP's. eg You committed fraud by claiming £80,000 of expenses you weren't entitled to. Just pay it back and we'll call it quits. It shouldn't work like that.

Baby P: Something like 63 professionals were involved, and all culpable to a degree. "Professionals" for godsake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's all very well but none if it is particularly relevant to the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Swinging though, a shag is a shag

Yes: but I wouldn't be funding it in anyway shape or form!

me neither and I seriously doubt id find myself attracted to someone that had no work ethics and was a lazy shite,I do have to have some sort of rapport with people that we play with,there are times when I actually speak to playmates about stuff other than sex

"Like minded people" means more than just same sexual preferences, so agree with you, I couldn't, and have never met anyone that didn't have a work ethic.

I've had some great chats with playmates, especially as they've all been quite senior people in private companies and I'm a trade unionist! "

We wouldn't be interested in someone who did have a work ethic because this would indicate that they are what we call 'sleep-walkers'. The Protestant work ethic is silly. There is nothing virtuous about working. We work to finance our existence and that is all.

"Work is the refuge of those who have nothing better to do".

Oscar Wilde.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"That's all very well but none if it is particularly relevant to the thread."

ah its the joys of the forums.. classic example of differences of opinions too... why cant people except others have different _iews and move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If using lethal force in accordance with NATO/ HMG/ MOD ROE counts as murder there's a lot more of us around than most people would like to think, including some who've been honoured, some posthumously, by their country."

I'm sure those on the recieving end of lethal force would argue they were murdered - if they were alive to do so of course. Your argument is subjective and by no means definitive as you cannot possibly speak for every soldier in the British Armed Forces. It should come as no surprise that there exists within the Armed Forces an Advisory Committee on Conscientious Objectors who make judgements on whether personnel can be discharged for their refusal to take part in a given campaign if they feel it would be wrong to do so. Six people - two from the Royal Navy and four from the RAF - were granted the right to leave the armed forces because of moral, political or religious objections.

Source: London Evening Standard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You mention my political _iewpoint. My political _iewpoint means I should be 100% supportive of workers about to lose their jobs regardless of the rights or wrongs of the situation.

I reserve the right to form my own opinions based on the facts as I see them."

You mean when it's convenient to abandon your socialist principles when the opportunity to attack a capitalist devil presents itself then your are quite prepared to do so.

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Original thread was in regard to meeting folk who were employed or unemployed.

As many folk state it comes down to personal cicumstances in regard to working.

Jobs vanish get outsourced, talent gets jaded. Humility is mentioned as well as respect for others.

I dont give a flying fuck about the NOTW it is a cheap cynical attempt to mislead misinform and cloud my judgement.

However when you look at the Newspapers/ media outlets who owns yahoo news or google news stories.

At one time Reuters was the premier news reporting organisation.

Rumour you do appreciate that freedom of speech is a right in this country, by stating MOD are murderers are you ignoring the good things in life they also do. Humanitarian aid is always good PR from dispatching food bags out the back of a herc in 1984 to demining the fields in Former Jugoslavia. It is a fact that murder is a easy act to commit. By calling your fellow man murderers is simplistic though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's all very well but none if it is particularly relevant to the thread.

ah its the joys of the forums.. classic example of differences of opinions too... why cant people except others have different _iews and move on. "

Because some people HAVE to have the last word; like to appear superior to others; believe their _iew is the only one; are bored and like winding others up; are lonely and this is the only attention they get, for the sheer devilment as they like pissing competitions: who knows!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope a meets a meet i wanna shag em not go inta business wi em xx

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"Rumour you do appreciate that freedom of speech is a right in this country, by stating MOD are murderers are you ignoring the good things in life they also do."

Hi Flash.. Not my _iew at all fella! If you read my previous posts you will see I said it to illustrate a rediculous supposition that everyone, from the boardroom to the cleaners at NotW and including external suppliers, are responsible for the hacking that was done and deserved no sympathy in losing their jobs!

(Yeah, I know I was going to leave this thread, but it is one hell of a job trying to read everything that has been typed! )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you HAD read the thread you'd know that's not what I, or anyone else, said.

I appreciate the facts don't chime with your point of _iew but you can't change them to suit your case.

They're there for all to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..

There'll always be situations like that but my post was "I can't work up much sympathy for the NOTW staff."

Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?

They all carry a share of the blame.

I'd excuse the people who made the paper and the ink - they couldn't have known where it would end up just as someone who makes bullets can't know that some of them will end up in Zimbabwe.

What a strange comment to make

In what way is it strange? The machine that is News International, a machine that eats up and spits out people, can only function if every link, however modest, in the chain is functioning.

Even the toilet cleaner's apprentice only had to read the NotW to know the kind of people they were working for."

but they still need to put bread on the table!!! we have all worked at or for people that we do not agree with!!!but still got bills, kids, car, house ajob is a job unless you are lucky to find a vocation!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

have to say as a army wife people who slag the army off piss me off as they know very little about what we all go thro not only the guys and girls working in the army but the familys who are left behind . honestly if you havent got something nice to say dont say anything at all ....

BUT back on topic

yes it wud put me off meeting someone if they were a benifit Bum by this i mean someone who wants to be on them and isnt trying to do anything about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"have to say as a army wife people who slag the army off piss me off as they know very little about what we all go thro not only the guys and girls working in the army but the familys who are left behind . honestly if you havent got something nice to say dont say anything at all ....

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It was a retired sailor who was being accused but I take your point nonetheless.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"have to say as a army wife people who slag the army off piss me off as they know very little about what we all go thro not only the guys and girls working in the army but the familys who are left behind . honestly if you havent got something nice to say dont say anything at all ....

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Crystal.. I didn't say anything against the services. I was puting the _iew of another poster forward as an example of how it could be applied to him! Namely, that everyone at the NotW is responsible for the hacking, even the cleaners! And as such, they deserve no sympathy! In other words, if he really believed that, then as an MOD worker (Navy I see!) by his reckoning he was also guilty! I do not believe it to be the case in either the MOD or the NotW!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"have to say as a army wife people who slag the army off piss me off as they know very little about what we all go thro not only the guys and girls working in the army but the familys who are left behind . honestly if you havent got something nice to say dont say anything at all ....

Crystal.. I didn't say anything against the services. I was puting the _iew of another poster forward as an example of how it could be applied to him! Namely, that everyone at the NotW is responsible for the hacking, even the cleaners! And as such, they deserve no sympathy! In other words, if he really believed that, then as an MOD worker (Navy I see!) by his reckoning he was also guilty! I do not believe it to be the case in either the MOD or the NotW!

"

Once again.


"If you HAD read the thread you'd know that's not what I, or anyone else, said.

I appreciate the facts don't chime with your point of _iew but you can't change them to suit your case.

They're there for all to see."

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden


"have to say as a army wife people who slag the army off piss me off as they know very little about what we all go thro not only the guys and girls working in the army but the familys who are left behind . honestly if you havent got something nice to say dont say anything at all ....

Crystal.. I didn't say anything against the services. I was puting the _iew of another poster forward as an example of how it could be applied to him! Namely, that everyone at the NotW is responsible for the hacking, even the cleaners! And as such, they deserve no sympathy! In other words, if he really believed that, then as an MOD worker (Navy I see!) by his reckoning he was also guilty! I do not believe it to be the case in either the MOD or the NotW!

Once again.

If you HAD read the thread you'd know that's not what I, or anyone else, said.

I appreciate the facts don't chime with your point of _iew but you can't change them to suit your case.

They're there for all to see."

The second parts of each section are AV's comments!

1. Thats a bit harsh, the ordinary shop floor workers aren't responsible for the awful tactics the reporters, editors used, also their suppliers of paper, ink etc etc are going to suffer. Z"

Not responsible but must still share some of the blame. From the carriers who hauled the rolls of paper into Wapping to the corner newsagent who sold the rag - they should all hang their heads in shame.

2. How can you say that? How could the paper supplier or the cleaner possibly have any idea what was going on? You're trolling, surely? Z"

The paper supplier and the cleaner and the security guard and the tealady and every other member of staff and the distribution chain only needed to read the trash printed by their employer to know what was going on.

3. Even the people at the bottom of the pile? The ones who had nothing to do with what went on?"

They all carry a share of the blame.

4. What a strange comment to make "

In what way is it strange? The machine that is News International, a machine that eats up and spits out people, can only function if every link, however modest, in the chain is functioning. Even the toilet cleaner's apprentice only had to read the NotW to know the kind of people they were working for.

Now that really is my last post on the subject. As the poster has blocked us, they require no further replies!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly.

No suggestion that "that everyone at the NotW is responsible for the hacking, even the cleaners! And as such, they deserve no sympathy!"

The entire workforce share some of the blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Exactly.

No suggestion that "that everyone at the NotW is responsible for the hacking, even the cleaners! And as such, they deserve no sympathy!"

The entire workforce share some of the blame.

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On that basis, the workforce of Bombardier share the blame equally for losing the contract to build 1,200 new rail carriages. If they hadn't delivered a previous contract TWO YEARS late the govt may have not deemed Siemans as offering the overall best value for money.

If new rail carriages are ordered and then not delivered on time it means that costs are incurred keeping old rolling stock going, so it's their own damn fault they're shortly to be made redundant eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Public sector procurement is a complex business.

It's possible Bombardier's past performance had some effect on the Tory Government's decision to award the Thameslink contract to the German - based Siemens, but I doubt it.

Nowadays far greater weighting is given to price than any other consideration.

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