FabSwingers.com forum: Jeremy Vine / Road Rage

By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

So Jeremy Vine had one of those cylist vr driver arguements with a woman has now gone to jail for 9 months for "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour". Yes that's actually a crime. Yes she had previous convictions.

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion."

That pretty much covers it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion."

The more we accept aggressive and offensive behaviour in our society, the more we become desensitised to it.

The offender had a history of assaults and public order offences to her name, which no doubt were taken into account when sentencing.

Don't be a dick. Be a nice human.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion."

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

being i cyclist ..as well as a driver ..i think the nasty bitch deserves it.

she'll be out in a few months .

perhaps she'll be a more considerate driver next time ..and think twice about shooting her stupid mouth of next time someone gets in her way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you watch the video of the incident?

People's thoughts will vary of course but you'll only feel more strongly if it's something that's happened to you.

Only yesterday my wife had a taste of road rage from another driver, after he had cut her off almost hitting the front of her car, he sped away then slammed on, forcing my wife to swerve into the other lane, once she'd over taken him, he proceeded to speed up and tail gate her, slowing down then speeding up almost ramming into her, once they got onto a roundabout he undertook her on it and sped off, our son said he was actually on the phone when he did that.

My wife was clearly upset by his actions as she felt very intimidated by his actions, the lad looked in his 20s and driving a focus, clearly a boy racer who doesn't give a toss about any other road user.

Anyway, going back to your post, I've seen the video of the incident and she was a very impatient driver, her reaction was not warranted for the situation, regardless of it being against a man of that age, anyone on the receiving end of her abuse would have been clearly shaken.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are."

Are you saying that because he is older and has a good standard of living he should have accepted it and walked away?

Most 22 year olds don't behave that way despite their neurological decision making processes not having matured.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

The more we accept aggressive and offensive behaviour in our society, the more we become desensitised to it.

The offender had a history of assaults and public order offences to her name, which no doubt were taken into account when sentencing.

Don't be a dick. Be a nice human."

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure. He could have used the situation to try and help her change course. But he didn't and now any chance she had of a normal life is effectively over at age 22, over a road rage incident that wasn't even physical. Anyone who has never had a non-physical road rage incident can feel free to cast the first stone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are."

On that basis what do you think he did wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are."

i think suggesting her age should protect her from the law is ludicrous im afraid..do you think a 21 yr old guy battering someone should not be held respsonsible because of his age? in which case surely people should not have the vote, be able to drive, be able to own property as well? makes no sense to me,i think she deserved all she got..and serving a few weeks, which is what she'll serve, is completely fair

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

Are you saying that because he is older and has a good standard of living he should have accepted it and walked away?

I'm debating whether he would have been the bigger person for doing so

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By *aul DeUther-OneMan
over a year ago

Sussex

From the account that I read the woman who threatened him not only had previous police record but also used social media and posted a threat to another person while on bail so she is a three time offender.

it doesn't matter how old the cyclist is in relation to the car driver, or which is the male and which was the female aggressive driving close up behind and alongside cyclists is dangerous driving and threats of violence are both unacceptable behaviour. Pleading that she is a young single mother and was only complained against because she is black only makes her behaviour look worse.

So, no Jeremy Vine wasn't wrong to to report what happened he was doing his civic duty.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

Please read the post above where i said the legal case is a no brainer. This is a moral debate rather than suggesting the verdict or sentence was wrong.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

On that basis what do you think he did wrong? "

I'm suggesting he didn't need to go to the police about it. Write it off as one of those annoying things that you won't remember in a months time.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Did you watch the video of the incident?

Yes although it was a while ago. In my memory it is in a whole different league to what you describe below which i have no synpathy with the boy racer.

People's thoughts will vary of course but you'll only feel more strongly if it's something that's happened to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

Please read the post above where i said the legal case is a no brainer. This is a moral debate rather than suggesting the verdict or sentence was wrong. "

Then I don't believe he has a moral obligation.

Everyone purporting to be under privileged should be permitted to be angry and aggressive towards people better off?

The law needs to treat all equally or it will descend into madness!

Plenty of under privileged(whatever that means these days) never have any issues in life.

My perspective is she made a choice and now faces the consequences?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

Are you saying that because he is older and has a good standard of living he should have accepted it and walked away?

I'm debating whether he would have been the bigger person for doing so"

I doubt he asked her personal circumstances. You're asking that victims of crime should take the criminals personal circumstances into account before they report it, that usually isn't possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

On that basis what do you think he did wrong?

I'm suggesting he didn't need to go to the police about it. Write it off as one of those annoying things that you won't remember in a months time. "

so at what level of crime do you think it is acceptable to go to the police?...when its reached physical violence?..or just a threat?...she acted aggressively,could easily have caused an accident,i see no reason why his age or income is relevant at all.

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure.. "

really how do u work that out !

and so what ..lots of underprivileged people dont behave like that..shes an aggressive arsehole ..

under privileged !!

she drives , got a nice car ,smart phone if she can afford to live in London shes doing all right .. do u not realize people always say theyve had a bad up bringing to justify their behavior..

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

On that basis what do you think he did wrong?

I'm suggesting he didn't need to go to the police about it. Write it off as one of those annoying things that you won't remember in a months time.

Personally my threshold would require physicality. Personally i think it is not becoming of a man to stand up in court and basically say that a young girl bullied you, unless it's ronda rousey.

I see the relevance being the consequences the prison sentence will have on a young persons life and future prospects relative to a fairly mundane incident that happened to be on camera.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites? "

So because he's a man he should have just sucked it up?

I suppose you think that domestic abuse is only perpetrated by men too.

I remember an experiment being conducted (all set up to gauge public reaction) where, firstly, they filmed a man being abusive to his (apparent) partner, and members of the public stepped in to break it up, tell him to back off etc, then they reversed it with the woman as the aggressor and many members of the public either ignored them or laughed and giggled.

Abuse is abuse. And believe me, I know. I've been on the receiving end.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

really how do u work that out !

and so what ..lots of underprivileged people dont behave like that..shes an aggressive arsehole ..

under privileged !!

she drives , got a nice car ,smart phone if she can afford to live in London shes doing all right .. do u not realize people always say theyve had a bad up bringing to justify their behavior.. "

She's definately from the hood

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

So because he's a man he should have just sucked it up?

I suppose you think that domestic abuse is only perpetrated by men too.

Abuse is abuse. And believe me, I know. I've been on the receiving end."

Nice bit of conflation but stay on topic please

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

Are you saying that because he is older and has a good standard of living he should have accepted it and walked away?

I'm debating whether he would have been the bigger person for doing so

I doubt he asked her personal circumstances. You're asking that victims of crime should take the criminals personal circumstances into account before they report it, that usually isn't possible.

The victim of naughty words really, not something i'd lose sleep over

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

really how do u work that out !

and so what ..lots of underprivileged people dont behave like that..shes an aggressive arsehole ..

under privileged !!

she drives , got a nice car ,smart phone if she can afford to live in London shes doing all right .. do u not realize people always say theyve had a bad up bringing to justify their behavior..

She's definately from the hood "

Have you been a victim of crime?

Don't care where you're from that doesn't provide an excuse for sub standard behaviour to.....ANYONE.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

really how do u work that out !

and so what ..lots of underprivileged people dont behave like that..shes an aggressive arsehole ..

under privileged !!

she drives , got a nice car ,smart phone if she can afford to live in London shes doing all right .. do u not realize people always say theyve had a bad up bringing to justify their behavior..

She's definately from the hood

Have you been a victim of crime?

Don't care where you're from that doesn't provide an excuse for sub standard behaviour to.....ANYONE."

I think you'd struggle to find many people in the UK that have never been the 'victim' of "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour"

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Having just watched the video, why did he stop in front of the car anyway...yes she was impatient by beeping at him to move, but he could have moved over at the point of him stopping as the road became clear.

To the OP...I suppose the police thought she broke the law which she has to pay the consequences, but it may not have happened if he had just pulled out of the way instead of stopping in the middle of the road. She may well have abused someone else further down the rad for something else though

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

"So Jeremy Vine had one of those cylist vr driver arguements with a woman has now gone to jail for 9 months for "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour". Yes that's actually a crime. Yes she had previous convictions.

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches? "

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Having just watched the video, why did he stop in front of the car anyway...yes she was impatient by beeping at him to move, but he could have moved over at the point of him stopping as the road became clear.

Hooray so thats 20 for jail time and 2 for stiches

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself"

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

Are you saying that because he is older and has a good standard of living he should have accepted it and walked away?

I'm debating whether he would have been the bigger person for doing so

I doubt he asked her personal circumstances. You're asking that victims of crime should take the criminals personal circumstances into account before they report it, that usually isn't possible.

^^ yes

I think this sums it up for me. We can potentially debate a moral argument in retrospect as we have more info but it's moot in the reality of the actual situation.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him"

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

What do you mean?"

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break"

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues."

I have never heard of that one to be honest, she just sounded like a lot of people who have road rage, whatever backgrounds they are from

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

I have never heard of that one to be honest, she just sounded like a lot of people who have road rage, whatever backgrounds they are from"

What

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

I have never heard of that one to be honest, she just sounded like a lot of people who have road rage, whatever backgrounds they are from

What

I said...I have never heard of that one to be honest, she just sounded like a lot of people who have road rage, whatever backgrounds they are from

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving"

No it's not an excuse. But when we look at great public figures we see forgiveness and compassion as great virtues. From Nelson Mandela working with people that once hated him just to his skin to Pope Jean Paul II visiting a man in prison after the guy shot him. They used their position for positive change. It's the correct legal decision but no good will come of it. Statistically the liklihood is she will be in and out of prison for the rest of her life... at our expense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

I have never heard of that one to be honest, she just sounded like a lot of people who have road rage, whatever backgrounds they are from

What

I said...I have never heard of that one to be honest, she just sounded like a lot of people who have road rage, whatever backgrounds they are from"

Ruggers....yes. Hahahaha!!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him"

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

Everyone has choices on how to behave, everyone has to live by the choices they make. She had a history of aggressive behaviour and chose not to change her ways. How many get out of jail free cards does someone get?

As for snitches get stitches.... Laughable. Advocating violence against those who do the right thing.

OK she didn't get physical on this occasion but she was clearly volatile enouvh to get out of her car and threaten violence. What if the next time she was in even worse of a mood and assaulted whoever it was that got in her way then?

There is no moral argument here. Just a sexist one. The old 'men should be men' 'take it like a man'view that keeps male domestic violence, physical verbal and emotional, a taboo subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

What do you mean?

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues."

Is this your professional private educated opinion?

I'm from a council estate where mum had less than 2 pennies to run together.

I'm pretty chilled.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Jeez where are all the bleeding heart liberals when you want them? Must be some knit your own tofu show on TV or something

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?"

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

Perhaps you should write a letter to JV and make a suggestion that he now intervenes for her future, whilst she serves her time. I'm not even being sarcastic.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

What do you mean?

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

Is this your professional private educated opinion?

I'm from a council estate where mum had less than 2 pennies to run together.

I'm pretty chilled.

Do you find that the average young people who grew up on your estate had above or below average behaviour management?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied. "

No they didn't. What they had was enough evidence for a conviction. If it was a 22 year old male from this so called hood would you be pleading for leniency as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues."

Utter bollocks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

And that is her own fault if that happens.

How do you know she won't use this incident to fix her life and not be such an arse in the future? Using background/ age etc is a bullshit excuse. Plenty of people from shit backgrounds have used that to fuel themselves and become better people.

Saying it's his fault for reporting her is just a whiny excuse. "The world owes me one" yeah right.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied. "

I personally wouldn't have done what he did, I don't think he helped the situation by stopping dead in front of her...but if he hadn't of reported it, it gives her a licence to act like that again and again, maybe this way she will learn to restrain herself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

As for snitches get stitches.... Laughable. Advocating violence against those who do the right thing.

There is no moral argument here. Just a sexist one. The old 'men should be men' 'take it like a man'view that keeps male domestic violence, physical verbal and emotional, a taboo subject. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches? "

I'm not sure what is mire repulsive your suggestion that he is a pussy or that he is a snitch who deserves stitches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied. "

I understand the sentiment of your critique (I'm a bleeding heart liberal after all) but I don't think simply dropping the charges/ignoring the fact she broke the law automatically would ensure behavioural change. Perhaps through facing the consequences of her actions and having to engage in forms of rehabilitation, such as support services working with offenders, perhaps this might be the intervention that makes a difference.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

Utter bollocks!"

Pure fact. Perhaps you should educate yourself with studies such as "Prisons of Poverty:

Uncovering the pre-incarceration incomes of the imprisoned". You can google it.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied.

I think the most classy thing he could have done is offer to drop the charges if she took steps to turn her life around and apologise.

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By *ve 66Woman
over a year ago

Blackwood

Peter Kay got off lightly then in last week's Car Share

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

If a car hits a cyclist it generally does them serious harm and often kills them.

Age and morals don't come into it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these? "

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

What do you mean?

I'm saying that people from under privileged backgrounds are more like to have anger management issues.

Is this your professional private educated opinion?

I'm from a council estate where mum had less than 2 pennies to run together.

I'm pretty chilled.

Do you find that the average young people who grew up on your estate had above or below average behaviour management? "

Your kidding right? Outside now?

Really? Tell me your not going to run for your constituency.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion.

Legally the case is a no brainer but morally did this need to be dealt with by the po po? The ages and frankly privileged lifestye of one are relevant to the moral case, if not the legal.

Legally she is an adult responsible for her actions. However, scientifically we can prove that the neourological decision making processes are not fully mature at that age. His are.

On that basis what do you think he did wrong?

I'm suggesting he didn't need to go to the police about it. Write it off as one of those annoying things that you won't remember in a months time. "

For her just to go on and do it again. I think he was rite to report her. Hopefully she will be made to do a driving course and learn from it. I doubt it tho.

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not read the above posts but don't think this would have been even investigated if it wasn't Jeremy Vine and I also think the fact a white, famous man complained about a normal black woman had a lot to do with the severity of the sentence.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these? "

I'm saying it doesn't have to happen. Just accepting that it does because it has is defeatest and validates their behaviour. No one A has the right to threaten or intimidate anyone regardless of their social standing.

Saying it's because if where she grew up is ridiculous.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I've not read the above posts but don't think this would have been even investigated if it wasn't Jeremy Vine and I also think the fact a white, famous man complained about a normal black woman had a lot to do with the severity of the sentence."

A normal black woman

wow!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't read all the replies so may be repeating other posts. I 100% believe that her previous convictions and total lack of remorse were significant factors in the sentence she received. These offences happen all the time and a custodial is pretty much unheard of. To get a prosecution even when the victim is hospitalised is unusual.

The victim is irrelevant and to an extent so is the fact that this was road rage. I suspect the judge saw an unrepentant aggressive thug wuth previous for similar snd decided to throw the book at her

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

I'm not sure what is mire repulsive your suggestion that he is a pussy or that he is a snitch who deserves stitches.

You are welcome to find my opinion replusive. But i refer the honourable gentleman to the defibition of a snitch which is "a person who tells someone in authority (such as the police or a teacher) about something wrong that someone has done : someone who snitches." So he categorically is a snitch. Whether snitches should get stitches was a moral question and not necessarily the opinion of the author.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"If a car hits a cyclist it generally does them serious harm and often kills them.

Age and morals don't come into it."

If my aunt had bollucks then she'd be my uncle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied.

I think the most classy thing he could have done is offer to drop the charges if she took steps to turn her life around and apologise. "

I wonder if, once the process was in play, if that was actually even possible. I don't know. I don't know that I'm interested in a classy action though. I'm concerned she is supported to turn her life around with whatever support she needs to do that. And that he's okay after being in an unsettling and verbally abusive situation, although I assume he has moved on successfully.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing? "

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

For clarity one month of her sentence was for road rage. The other 8 were part of a suspended sentence for among other things ABH.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

Saying it's because if where she grew up is ridiculous. "

Where she grew up correlates with the increased probability that it will happen.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I haven't read all the replies so may be repeating other posts. I 100% believe that her previous convictions and total lack of remorse were significant factors in the sentence she received. These offences happen all the time and a custodial is pretty much unheard of. To get a prosecution even when the victim is hospitalised is unusual.

The victim is irrelevant and to an extent so is the fact that this was road rage. I suspect the judge saw an unrepentant aggressive thug wuth previous for similar snd decided to throw the book at her"

The debate isn't about the legal case, nobody is criticising the sentence or the po po

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

A normal black woman

wow! "

Half the people of this thread are arguing that her background doesn't matter and she's rich enough to drive a car so is she an average Josephine or not?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied.

I think the most classy thing he could have done is offer to drop the charges if she took steps to turn her life around and apologise.

Got any bleeding heart friends you can call in for cavalry? I need backup

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

Saying it's because if where she grew up is ridiculous.

Where she grew up correlates with the increased probability that it will happen. "

But we don't have to accept that probability. Probability is not a certainty. Plenty of people love impoverished lives (not that I believe for one second that this woman did so) and don't turn to anger and violence.

If your child was being naughty would you punish it or simply say 'probability shows it was likely to happen'

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

A normal black woman

wow!

Half the people of this thread are arguing that her background doesn't matter and she's rich enough to drive a car so is she an average Josephine or not? "

Nope....you lost me on this one. Trying to make an argument for arguments sake.

The post I quoted was clearly stereotyping black women as aggressive and abusive. Imo obviously

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

Saying it's because if where she grew up is ridiculous.

Where she grew up correlates with the increased probability that it will happen.

If your child was being naughty would you punish it or simply say 'probability shows it was likely to happen' "

You do have to accept probability because that's what probability is. Obviously some people make good choices irrespective of their background which is why the porbability isn't a certainty. Children being naughty at some point and needing punishment is a certainty. Parents punish children to correct future behaviour. Do you believe our prison system achieves the same and reforms the majority of people that go through it?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

A normal black woman

wow!

Half the people of this thread are arguing that her background doesn't matter and she's rich enough to drive a car so is she an average Josephine or not?

Nope....you lost me on this one. Trying to make an argument for arguments sake.

The post I quoted was clearly stereotyping black women as aggressive and abusive. Imo obviously

I read it as she was an ordinary person as opposed to him being a public figure. Perhaps the OP can clarify?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

I bet she'd get more sympathy if i posted this in the american forum and changed london to washington.

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over a year ago

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I bet she'd get more sympathy if i posted this in the american forum and changed london to washington. "

You can't do that, Jeremy would have to move !...oh hang, then again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She broke the law, the judicial system jailed her. Their ages aren't significant and people who report crimes aren't snitches. All in my opinion."

I agree

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

At 86 replies the court of fab public opinion has made it's decision, the objection is overruled and Mr Vine may keep his man card.

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

Just seen the video on you tube. at one point the road is wide enough for him to pull over a little and let her pass it was almost like he was looking for a confrontation with the car driver .

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Just seen the video on you tube. at one point the road is wide enough for him to pull over a little and let her pass it was almost like he was looking for a confrontation with the car driver ."

Agree, they were both to blame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

I'm not sure what is mire repulsive your suggestion that he is a pussy or that he is a snitch who deserves stitches.

Okay...

When you declared he was a pussy, stated that Vine got her jailed (he didn't, her behaviour got her jailed) and belittled him for being the victim of you made I think you made your viewpoint pretty clear. Add to that the use of the word snitch in the context you used is clearly an attempt to look at best anti-authoritarian but in reality nothing more than a wannabe gangster and finally you pose a question whether we should strive to remove violence from society when any right thinking civilised person would find unneccesary violence and aggression abhorrent.

Sorry but I think it's a reasonable assumption what that the snitches need stitches comment isn't justcan attempt to prompt debate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just seen the video on you tube. at one point the road is wide enough for him to pull over a little and let her pass it was almost like he was looking for a confrontation with the car driver .

Agree, they were both to blame"

It's called the primary position. It's recommended by the highway code and police

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The victim is irrelevant and to an extent so is the fact that this was road rage. I suspect the judge saw an unrepentant aggressive thug wuth previous for similar snd decided to throw the book at her

The debate isn't about the legal case, nobody is criticising the sentence or the po po"

So what is the debate about? Your opening post refers to here being sent to prison and clearly implies that is unjust by questioning the validity of the charges brought against her and saying that Vine should never have perused it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I bet she'd get more sympathy if i posted this in the american forum and changed london to washington. "

Why's that?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

I'm not sure what is mire repulsive your suggestion that he is a pussy or that he is a snitch who deserves stitches.

Okay...

Sorry but I think it's a reasonable assumption what that the snitches need stitches comment isn't justcan attempt to prompt debate"

Aggression is part of the human condition. You may find the human condition in it's raw form to be abhorrent but i disagree that all civilised people would agree with you. I would draw the line before physical violence.

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By *ranfondoMan
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

it was a result for the law, common sense and the highway code.... simple...

Drivers can't keep going around with a sense of entitlement for the road, parking and where they access.....

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Just seen the video on you tube. at one point the road is wide enough for him to pull over a little and let her pass it was almost like he was looking for a confrontation with the car driver .

Agree, they were both to blame

It's called the primary position. It's recommended by the highway code and police"

"When riding in the primary position, trainees should travel at a reasonable speed, as part of the traffic flow. If, however, traffic is building up behind them and the road ahead is clear, they may wish to move to the secondary position to avoid obstructing other road-users unnecessarily."

Jeremy actually stopped in the middle of the road to tell the woman he was allowed to be in the road ( which he was ) making the car behind having no choice but to stop.... when he could have moved over about another yard further down the road

I am not sure thats in the highway code

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her? "

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there? "

I'm saying he would have been the bigger person if he extended the hand of friendship (after the event) to try and use his privilege to help turn her life around. I think he's more interested in making a point about cyclists vrs drivers as evidenced by him refusing to move over and stopping in the middle of the road.

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over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

Okay looking at it objectively I can actually see your point.

The trouble is, it's hard when faced with aggressive behaviour to react in such an altruistic manner? Maybe he could with hindsight have simply avoided her, but she could also have behaved differently?

Let's face it we all make motoring mistakes. We can honk the horn and scream abuse, OR we can ease off the accelerator and let the person who pulled out in front of us carry on without incident.

I don't think it's fair to introduce her background in the hood as a factor. Many in the hood, like to brag about it as a status! Not somewhere to aspire to escape from sadly

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over a year ago

She has a history. Meaning her life was going down the wrong route. She is a very under privileged girl and he is a very privileged public figure..

We had bugger all when we were kids, it isn't an excuse to break the law. If she was that under privileged she wouldn't even be driving

So you think the police should have said " there there, go n your way and don't be naughty again because you are under priveleged driving your car"?

No i think he didn't need to report it or press charges. The police had their hands tied.

I think the most classy thing he could have done is offer to drop the charges if she took steps to turn her life around and apologise.

Got any bleeding heart friends you can call in for cavalry? I need backup

Haha! My heart may be bleeding but I'm still with the fact that the offence should be reported, and that facing the judicial consequences is as likely, if not more, to help turn her life around as JV letting her off and don't think his reporting the incident should reflect negatively on him. Although he should have pulled out the way as mentioned by others on the thread and perhaps the situation would not have escalated, however he's not responsible for her choice to escalate it and nor should he be condemned to be her saviour due to his privilege in contrast to her's.

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over a year ago

"For clarity one month of her sentence was for road rage. The other 8 were part of a suspended sentence for among other things ABH."

I'm not sure if the OP is ignoring your post because this fact is inconvenient or for another reason.

She was not jailed for 9 months for simply shouting her mouth off, her sentencing which this conviction activated included convictions for theft, assault and resisting arrest. She deserved what she got as she clearly hadn't learned from her previous indiscretions.

Wether JV should have reported her or just turned the other cheek is a separate issue but considering her history I would suggest it was fortunate he did report her.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

Okay looking at it objectively I can actually see your point.

Let's face it we all make motoring mistakes. We can honk the horn and scream abuse, OR we can ease off the accelerator and let the person who pulled out in front of us carry on without incident.

I don't think it's fair to introduce her background in the hood as a factor. Many in the hood, like to brag about it as a status! Not somewhere to aspire to escape from sadly "

I totally get that in the moment you aren't going to have nice thoughts and he was above average calm in the video. I just meant that maybe he could have approached her later and offered to drop the charges if she shows a bit of remorse and does something positive to improve her circumstances.

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over a year ago

I often get into these arguments with friends and I'm always torn. I enjoy off road cycling, love it infact. I find cycling on Tarmac boring and mundane, but as a cyclist, I understand why people do it.

As someone who drives hundreds of miles a week, I see 3 different types of cyclists, the ones who follow the rules as they should, the ones who follow none of the rules, and the worst ones, the ones who follow which ever rule suits them the most, they are unpredictable and the most dangerous.

I've lost my temper with cyclists before for being careless and even dangerous, because if I hit a cyclist, it's not going to hurt me, it could easily kill him/her

I don't know the full story, but if he was being reckless and she had a go, then good for her, if she was just being a dick then see ya later

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"For clarity one month of her sentence was for road rage. The other 8 were part of a suspended sentence for among other things ABH.

I'm not sure if the OP is ignoring your post because this fact is inconvenient or for another reason.

Wether JV should have reported her or just turned the other cheek is a separate issue but considering her history I would suggest it was fortunate he did report her."

I didn't comment because it doesn't effect my point. I never said the sentence was wrong. I have no complaints about the way the court or police dealt with it. I'd rather it didn't go to them in the first place or he dropped it after he'd made his point.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I often get into these arguments with friends and I'm always torn. I enjoy off road cycling, love it infact. I find cycling on Tarmac boring and mundane, but as a cyclist, I understand why people do it.

I've lost my temper with cyclists before for being careless and even dangerous, because if I hit a cyclist, it's not going to hurt me, it could easily kill him/her

I don't know the full story, but if he was being reckless and she had a go, then good for her, if she was just being a dick then see ya later "

Bit of both. He was determined to make a point about why he needed to cycle in the middle of the road and not especially fast and she was impatient.

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over a year ago

Wow... just wow. Stitches for snitches

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Wow... just wow. Stitches for snitches"

Cool thats a 3rd vote for stiches. Keep 'em coming people

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over a year ago

"Just seen the video on you tube. at one point the road is wide enough for him to pull over a little and let her pass it was almost like he was looking for a confrontation with the car driver .

Agree, they were both to blame

It's called the primary position. It's recommended by the highway code and police

I am not sure thats in the highway code"

It's a long time since I've watched thay video and find Vine repulsive enough to have no desire to watch it again but from memory it's a suburban street, the other advantage of the primary position is that it means you can't get doored by a parked car which happens a lot occasionally with fatal consequences. And much of suburban London is a 20 limit, a cyclist will likely be travelling at 15-20mph so the delay is negligible to motorists. And of course cyclists are traffic, I wouldn't class a solitary car as traffic building up behind in the sanexway as no motorist would ever pull over to let a single faster moving car, they would expect the car behind to wait fir a suitable place to overtake safely.

That said Vine's actions are fairly hard to defend. He is undeniably antagonistic and dies nothing other than exacerbate the situation. In his defence itvis fucking terrifying when an ahressive motorist starts shouting at you, cars are an effective and deadly weapon and too many motorists don't realise that. Personally I get the fuck away from angry motorists, in 30+ years of cycling I've been spat at, punched, driven at and on one memorable occasion thought I was in danger of being shot so I really can't be done with the confrontation so I'd have got our the way and let her get passed as a preservation tactic and just for the quiet life. But (again from memory) she was raging before he stopped

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over a year ago

"Wow... just wow. Stitches for snitches

Cool thats a 3rd vote for stiches. Keep 'em coming people

Not quite

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas. "

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card

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over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

Personally I wouldn't offer any hand of friendship to some who's impatience could have killed me and who was completely unrepentant and unapologetic

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

That said Vine's actions are fairly hard to defend. He is undeniably antagonistic and dies nothing other than exacerbate the situation.

I really can't be done with the confrontation so I'd have got our the way and let her get passed as a preservation tactic and just for the quiet life.

WTF! Thats exactly what I've been saying. Almost word for word. What are we arguing for! We're on the same side.

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card "

Ps I bet the parents bringing up there kids to be good citizens in those five areas love people basically saying your life's over if you're from here as you can't possibly be a productive member of society.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card

Why do some many people struggle with the concept of probability?

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over a year ago

"For clarity one month of her sentence was for road rage. The other 8 were part of a suspended sentence for among other things ABH.

I'm not sure if the OP is ignoring your post because this fact is inconvenient or for another reason.

Wether JV should have reported her or just turned the other cheek is a separate issue but considering her history I would suggest it was fortunate he did report her.

In your opening post you said "yes that's actually a crime" your derisory reference to the crime is by default a reference to the sentence. If you dismiss the offence so readily it surely follows that you dismiss the sentence?

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card

Why do some many people struggle with the concept of probability? "

I struggle with people making excuses for wrong behaviour.

If you want to change your life it's got to come from within yourself.

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over a year ago

That said Vine's actions are fairly hard to defend. He is undeniably antagonistic and dies nothing other than exacerbate the situation.

I really can't be done with the confrontation so I'd have got our the way and let her get passed as a preservation tactic and just for the quiet life.

WTF! Thats exactly what I've been saying. Almost word for word. What are we arguing for! We're on the same side. "

No we are not. Just because Vine was am antagonistic dick in no way defends her actions. She was the aggressor throughout, Vine could have tried to diffuse the situation but she provoked his reaction with her initial aggression.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"For clarity one month of her sentence was for road rage. The other 8 were part of a suspended sentence for among other things ABH.

I'm not sure if the OP is ignoring your post because this fact is inconvenient or for another reason.

Wether JV should have reported her or just turned the other cheek is a separate issue but considering her history I would suggest it was fortunate he did report her.

No i don't see that logic at all sorry.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card

Why do some many people struggle with the concept of probability?

I struggle with people making excuses for wrong behaviour.

If you want to change your life it's got to come from within yourself."

Probability isn't an excuse it's a fact.

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

That said Vine's actions are fairly hard to defend. He is undeniably antagonistic and dies nothing other than exacerbate the situation.

I really can't be done with the confrontation so I'd have got our the way and let her get passed as a preservation tactic and just for the quiet life.

WTF! Thats exactly what I've been saying. Almost word for word. What are we arguing for! We're on the same side.

From a moral standpoint, if Vine is partially to blame then why should she take 100% of the consequences?

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card

Why do some many people struggle with the concept of probability?

I struggle with people making excuses for wrong behaviour.

If you want to change your life it's got to come from within yourself.

Probability isn't an excuse it's a fact."

Honest question for you, do you think these people should be let off crimes ?

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over a year ago

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

Okay looking at it objectively I can actually see your point.

Let's face it we all make motoring mistakes. We can honk the horn and scream abuse, OR we can ease off the accelerator and let the person who pulled out in front of us carry on without incident.

I don't think it's fair to introduce her background in the hood as a factor. Many in the hood, like to brag about it as a status! Not somewhere to aspire to escape from sadly

OK I understand that, and the judicial system does facilitate firms of reconciliation. Maybe some of us haven't fully grasped your point that you're debating.

But we are all responsible for our behaviour and we have to face the consequences for actions.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

That may be your point now but it wasn't your initial one. Your opening post stated that Jeremy Vine was a pussy for being intimidated and threatened by a woman and that because he had a priviliged life he should have let bygones be bygones.

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over a year ago

I've lost my temper with cyclists before for being careless and even dangerous, because if I hit a cyclist, it's not going to hurt me, it could easily kill him/her

I don't know the full story, but if he was being reckless and she had a go, then good for her, if she was just being a dick then see ya later

Bit of both. He was determined to make a point about why he needed to cycle in the middle of the road and not especially fast and she was impatient. "

Still hard to make an accurate judgement without seeing what happened. But I'd say it's better to be sat behind a cyclist in middle of road (ready to turn right) than to see one swerve across 2/3 lanes of traffic to get there

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

So because she grew up in London she had to have a shit attitude and be gangsta to survive ?

Give me a break

London contains 5 of the UK's 10 most economically deprived areas.

That's ok then, let's let anyone from those five areas break the law and have a get out of jail free card

Why do some many people struggle with the concept of probability?

I struggle with people making excuses for wrong behaviour.

If you want to change your life it's got to come from within yourself.

Probability isn't an excuse it's a fact.

Honest question for you, do you think these people should be let off crimes ?"

No but I'm also not comfortable having hundreds of thousands of people with no real prospects of a normal life and hence a perpetual cycle of crime that i am both at risk of and paying for. Two factors account for the lions share of whether an ex-con will re-offend; whether they can get a job and have a stable relationship. The problem is that ex-cons are lepers in the job market which has not exactly been that good for anyone in the past 8 years. Having watched a panorama documentary about our prison system, i have zero confidence it will do anything to rehabilitate her.

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over a year ago

"For clarity one month of her sentence was for road rage. The other 8 were part of a suspended sentence for among other things ABH.

I'm not sure if the OP is ignoring your post because this fact is inconvenient or for another reason.

Wether JV should have reported her or just turned the other cheek is a separate issue but considering her history I would suggest it was fortunate he did report her.

It does effect your point because I quote your original post;

"woman has now gone to jail for 9 months for "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour"

That is not correct, she has gone to jail for 9 months for threatening and abusive behaviour plus Assault, Theft and Resisting Arrest.

If you are going to try and make a point then you can't use incorrect information to set the context.

As for not reporting it, I would say reporting someone who is guilty of assault, theft and avoiding arrest for further aggressive behaviour is doing the public a favour. If she hadn't received the previous convictions I'm sure she would have walked away with just a caution, nobody to blame but herself. Oh yeah and the hood of course

I will resist from following this thread any further as it's distracting me from looking for a fuck

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By *y Favorite Pornstar OP Couple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Personally i think a 51 year old man who gets a 22 year old girl jailed because she scared him with some naughty words = a pussy, but what sayeth the forumites?

Is it right to continiously strive to remove aggression from our social interactions or should snitches get stiches?

The 51yo man didn't get the young girl jailed..

...The young girl did that to herself

The streets did it to her before she did it to him

Oh for gods sake that is the most ridiculous of a the ridiculous statements you have made on this thread!

So just to be clear, you deny upbringing or socio-economic status make it more probable that an individual will make bad choices and become involved in incidents such as these?

A constant cycle of being subjected to that desensitised her to how to behave yes I accept that.

But 2 wrongs don't make a right. She is now inflicting that upon other people. She's not in abject poverty by the look of it?

How many children in Malawi are randomly behaving like that simply because they have nothing?

But at what point in this story is a right going to occur? Do you honestly believe prison will reform her?

I thought the sentence was irrelevant in this debate?

You seemed to and I apologise if I'm mistaken, be claiming that Jeremy Vine, being an affluent successful individual had a duty not to report it and help the supposed victim of society?

Prison may well not reform her. But she won't be assaulting anyone whilst there?

Honestly I'm more challenged by the issue of whether this 22 year old is ever going to be a constructive member of society than whether he got his feelings hurt. I use expletives to punctuate that dynamic.