FabSwingers.com forum: Controversial Pepsi Ad

By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Have you guys seen the controversial new Pepsi add with Kylie Jenner? It's now been pulled by Pepsi after high profile complaints that it was capitalising on the black lives matter movement and other protests. At first I agreed after just seeing a short clip of the ad, but now after watching the full ad I don't really see the whole fuss. It seems to me less like a protest, and more like a march like Pride or something like that.

In the end it's drawn a lot more attention to Pepsi than a regular ad would have done, so is it a case of all press is good press?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw a still of it a few days ago..

just one more publicity stunt imo..

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Because theres a certain type of person who goes out looking to get offended by something so they can get in the media and talk about how offended they are whilst pushing some agenda that most people don't give a crap about.

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ad was awful and easier the worst ad ever made.

To imply to police brutality that has claimed the lives of hundreds of people can be solved by a simple can of pepsi is in really really bad taste.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*easily

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because theres a certain type of person who goes out looking to get offended by something so they can get in the media and talk about how offended they are whilst pushing some agenda that most people don't give a crap about.

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad. "

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well"

Ok well done for adding things into the advert that weren't there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just seen it.....what's all the fuss about jeez.

I've got a link to it so you can see....but is it allowed to post it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well

Ok well done for adding things into the advert that weren't there "

Sorry? What did I add that wasn't there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's also been ripped for the use of Jenner and black cultural appropriation elements.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well

Ok well done for adding things into the advert that weren't there

Sorry? What did I add that wasn't there?"

At what point in the advert is there any brutality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well

Ok well done for adding things into the advert that weren't there

Sorry? What did I add that wasn't there?

At what point in the advert is there any brutality? "

I never said there was any brutality but the advert was in reference to police brutality which pepsi themselves even admitted to

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well

Ok well done for adding things into the advert that weren't there

Sorry? What did I add that wasn't there?

At what point in the advert is there any brutality?

I never said there was any brutality but the advert was in reference to police brutality which pepsi themselves even admitted to

Theres no brutality depicted in the advert. There are no words in the advert. Theres no logical reason you would see that advert and start bringing the word brutality into the conversation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bovvered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad.

And it's not about "a certain type of person" either

Because this kind of brutality has been shown at black lives matter marches, women's day marches and the protests outside the trump tower as well"

The advert was in very bad taste it mimicked a real life event concerning a black lives matter protest to advertise a soft drink . I agree with you

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The advert was in very bad taste it mimicked a real life event concerning a black lives matter protest to advertise a soft drink . I agree with you

Mrs "

Thank You! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card."

Groups like what ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?"
Those that complained over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it"

I didn't like it. What group am I?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it

I didn't like it. What group am I?"
No group, just someone who didnt like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it"

I'm an individual saying it's in bad taste - not part of any group

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Certain type of person"

"Groups like that"

Don't need to be a genius to know what they mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it

I didn't like it. What group am I?No group, just someone who didnt like it."

Sorry, I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. You say group, then no group...spit it out Shag?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it

I didn't like it. What group am I?No group, just someone who didnt like it.

Sorry, I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. You say group, then no group...spit it out Shag?! "
Maibe you didnt read what the op wrote what group it was? lol.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

""Certain type of person"

"Groups like that"

Don't need to be a genius to know what they mean "

Yes, the regressive left who want to ban everything they don't agree with. Unlike them I think you are perfectly entitled to voice a different opinion and say it's a shit advert if that's how you feel about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

first i've heard of it, can't be that great an ad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it

I didn't like it. What group am I?No group, just someone who didnt like it.

Sorry, I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. You say group, then no group...spit it out Shag?! Maibe you didnt read what the op wrote what group it was? lol."

I can read. I'm not making assumptions about your meaning, hence why I asked.

There are a number of potential groups referred to in the OP.

I'll have to assume you aren't really sure what point you're trying to make. Cool.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"first i've heard of it, can't be that great an ad

Coke did a similar thing about Indian and Pakistani people coming together. Nobody gave a stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it

I didn't like it. What group am I?No group, just someone who didnt like it.

Sorry, I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. You say group, then no group...spit it out Shag?! Maibe you didnt read what the op wrote what group it was? lol.

I can read. I'm not making assumptions about your meaning, hence why I asked.

There are a number of potential groups referred to in the OP.

I'll have to assume you aren't really sure what point you're trying to make. Cool.

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That is good and I know what it is, a company have the right to make whatever ad they want, sure you will alwais get those that dont like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"first i've heard of it, can't be that great an ad

Coke did a similar thing about Indian and Pakistani people coming together. Nobody gave a stuff. "

nope, that must have passed me by just as quietly, no clue about that one either.

these companies really should spend a couple of quid on a decent advertising budget ya know, they'd make a mint!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"first i've heard of it, can't be that great an ad

Coke did a similar thing about Indian and Pakistani people coming together. Nobody gave a stuff.

nope, that must have passed me by just as quietly, no clue about that one either.

these companies really should spend a couple of quid on a decent advertising budget ya know, they'd make a mint!

As John Wanamaker famously said "half the money i spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is i dont know which half"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I couldnt see anything wrong with it, usually you get groups like that that are playing the card.

Groups like what ?Those that complained over it

I didn't like it. What group am I?No group, just someone who didnt like it.

Sorry, I really don't understand what point you are trying to make. You say group, then no group...spit it out Shag?! Maibe you didnt read what the op wrote what group it was? lol.

I can read. I'm not making assumptions about your meaning, hence why I asked.

There are a number of potential groups referred to in the OP.

I'll have to assume you aren't really sure what point you're trying to make. Cool.

That is good and I know what it is, a company have the right to make whatever ad they want, sure you will alwais get those that dont like it."

Yup, and those that don't get why it's not cool. Anyway it's been pulled! So hurrah!

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

If one was a conspiracy theorist, maybe Pepsi made a deliberately controversial ad knowing it would draw more publicity than anything else?

Otherwise, it surprises me that it got passed. Given the number of people involved it is worrying that at no point did someone not say "err hold on guys this is a really bad idea"

I'm pretty sure the execs in charge ain't that dumb.

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"If one was a conspiracy theorist, maybe Pepsi made a deliberately controversial ad knowing it would draw more publicity than anything else?

Otherwise, it surprises me that it got passed. Given the number of people involved it is worrying that at no point did someone not say "err hold on guys this is a really bad idea"

I'm pretty sure the execs in charge ain't that dumb."

I think that is part of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If one was a conspiracy theorist, maybe Pepsi made a deliberately controversial ad knowing it would draw more publicity than anything else?"
It's apparently alienated a massive number of potential customers, so that would make me think not.

" Otherwise, it surprises me that it got passed. Given the number of people involved it is worrying that at no point did someone not say "err hold on guys this is a really bad idea"

I'm pretty sure the execs in charge ain't that dumb."

Maybe they're now just out of touch with what matters to people these days. I guess that's going to happen if you're privileged, arrogant and you don't care about others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I'm just a simple boy, simple in mind and thought.

I saw the ad a few days ago and thought (a) this is shite and (b) it's about a generic protest march - unspecified cause - and the usual shitty fluff that advertisers spout that drinking their product can make everything wonderful and happy.

Now the viewing public has decided to interpret this (in my opinion) as being about Black Lives Matter, Women's Rights, Immigration. How come nobody has interpreted it as about a G8 protest, the closure of a local saw-mill, squirrels rights, or whatever?

Yes I know police brutality is a big issue in America and it was maybe a stupid idea to go down this route (you can imagine the big bearded, man-bunned, red-braces wearing creative luvvy-types in the Pepsi media department back slapping themselves at how edgy the campaign would be) but it seems like another example of Generation Snowflake wanting to be outraged / offended about something else and, in truth, I expect most loved it as it gave them the perfect opportunity to run to social media and declare how offended they were and show just how damn liberal and 'right-on PC' they all are!

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well I'm just a simple boy, simple in mind and thought.

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

My understanding is that the BLM parallel was made in the use of the photographing of the Jenner Pepsi giving moment utilised in the ad --- people felt it was a reference to the BLM Ieshia Evans photo. It was as likely a reference to the 1960s Vietnam War protest photo however. Regardless it's still an utterly shite and IMO, distasteful ad.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I think the link between the ad and the black lives matters marches etc was a picture of a young blank woman standing on her own with a flower..... I heard something about it in the radio but was only half listening.

People have said that kendall jenner is paralleling that moment by approaching the police officer with a can of .

Obviously there is no brutality depicted in the advert but to make an advert with a march/protest in at a time where there have been several, especially in the states will undoubtedly cause questions behind the motives and draw criticism from those who thinks it trivialises important matters.

I've seen it and it's just a shit schmaltzy American ad that is trying to say 'our product transcends issues.... Everyone loves it no matter what side you're on'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a fucking ridiculously bad ad. Fuck knows who thought up that storyline but they must be incredibly out of touch with what society.

It has been responsible for some hilarious responses on twitter though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't seen it.

But the whole concept of advertising is to get people talking about the brand/product.

Looks like it worked perfectly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" but it seems like another example of Generation Snowflake wanting to be outraged / offended about something else and, in truth, I expect most loved it as it gave them the perfect opportunity to run to social media and declare how offended they were and show just how damn liberal and 'right-on PC' they all are!

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it. "

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake! "

I'm 46

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's nothing remotely offensive about the ad. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm 46

Key market 12-30

Other markets aren't excluded from watching

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake! "

I'm not sure how thinking something is crass and badly thought out and yes totally inappropriate makes me a snowflake?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake! "

I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Free publicity is better than them paying for it to be shown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm 46

Key market 12-30

Other markets aren't excluded from watching

You're missing the point. There is no generation snowflake, people of all ages can be principled.

But anyway, good to know right minded people are being alienated from buying drinks that are bad for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark. "

Well, as I said, I'm just a simple country boy. What I see was a possibly ill-conceived ad that tried to show, as someone else has said, that our sugary product can bring people at a cause-unspecified march together and unite.

What is the bit I'm exactly supposed to be incandescent with rage at? Why exactly should I be offended? Is it because some have interpreted this as a BLM thing? Even if so, what's the particularly offensive thing I've missed or is it that this ad 'trivialises' the cause? As far as I can see people have chosen to interpret this a BLM but my interpretation is 'we all have lots in common despite what might look like differences whatever the cause' and that thing in common is a love of Pepsi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pepsi is shit anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pepsi is shit anyway "

True say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

There are many reasons why it's appalling and you've touched on the trivialisation part, but even so, you don't seem to get how bad that is.

Newstatesman has a good description of the many, many things wrong with this ad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan. "

It's all about interpretation of the INTENT of the ad isn't it? I'm quite sure the message Pepsi intended isn't the one that many people have taken from it.

Don't get me wrong I'm not naive enough not to see why those that have chosen to interpret the ad in their way are upset. And if that was the true INTENT of the ad then of course I'd be equally as upset.

But I've taken my narrow blinkers off and had a think about whtat were they ACTUALLY trying to do with the ad. And I'm pretty damn sure it wasn't to trivialise the BLM cause or alienate a significant chunk of their market.

What they're guilty of, in my (clearly uneducated) opinion is being so focussed on what they THOUGHT they were saying (any my interpretation is "despite our differences we also have similarities and can unite") that they didn't realise what it might look like to others when 'out there' in the public domain.

Maybe I'm naive, uneducated or whatever. But I honestly don't believe the INTENT of the the ad was to take a side swipe at their black (or female, or immigrant - whatever) customers! But clearly the execution of the message was poorly conceived and thought through.

Anyway - that's my last word on this thread!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

It's all about interpretation of the INTENT of the ad isn't it? I'm quite sure the message Pepsi intended isn't the one that many people have taken from it.

Anyway - that's my last word on this thread!

Ah you see I think the excuse of "wasn't my intent" isn't excusable.

That's where we appear to differ.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'chosen' to interpret.

Maybe read the newstatesman article, see the ad through American eyes and stop patronising the people offended by it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only way it is offensive is that Pepsi has all that money and still can't make a decent advert....That's offensive lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'chosen' to interpret.

Maybe read the newstatesman article, see the ad through American eyes and stop patronising the people offended by it. "

Dan has the right to choose to interpret it how he would like. I have the right, you have the right to disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

It's all about interpretation of the INTENT of the ad isn't it? I'm quite sure the message Pepsi intended isn't the one that many people have taken from it.

Anyway - that's my last word on this thread!

Ah you see I think the excuse of "wasn't my intent" isn't excusable.

That's where we appear to differ.

Which is fair enough and I accept and understand your viewpoint

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By *ingersoloWoman
over a year ago

Oldham

To be honest I think it's just another advert that nobody would have taken any notice of if Madonna hadn't tweeted about it and mentioned the irony of her being dropped by Pepsi for her video where she ((whisper)) kissed a black man.

And call me a sceptic if you like but Pepsi May have been anticipating controversy by choosing the daughter of a man who was most famous for defending oj Simpson, and even though it was 25 years or something ago,... It is still current in people's minds, not just because it was so important originally but also because of the recent tv series.

If they wanted to get everyone talking they hit a home run with that one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be honest I think it's just another advert that nobody would have taken any notice of if Madonna hadn't tweeted about it and mentioned the irony of her being dropped by Pepsi for her video where she ((whisper)) kissed a black man.

If they wanted to get everyone talking they hit a home run with that one."

A) that's not her father

B) she's a world famous model

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan. "

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence! "

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

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By *ingersoloWoman
over a year ago

Oldham

If they wanted to get everyone talking they hit a home run with that one.

A) that's not her father

B) she's a world famous model "

oh aye I forgot she had a different Dad to her older siblings. (name should have gave it away but I don't really watch reality shows) still makes you wonder if it's a ploy by Pepsi doesn't it?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about? "

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense. "

Dan says he cant see anything offensive. You say he should go and read more about it. In other words, for dan to understand why he should be offended then he needs a third party to explain the offence. You see no irony in that?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

No, I think I've said Dan is entitled to interpret how he wants. I don't feel the need to have to utilise my energy in explaining my opinion of it being distasteful. It isn't mandatory that by having an opinion I have to further explain it. Dan indicated he'd not really looked into it, I suggested if he'd like to understand further other's upset, he could read up. Dan isn't offended. I still find it frustrating when people are glib about something stating they've not really looked into it -- and I'm still entitled to have that view too.

But you make whatever assumptions you want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice to see that this forum post as escalated to people feeling the need to inbox me and tell me how rubbish BLM is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see that this forum post as escalated to people feeling the need to inbox me and tell me how rubbish BLM is

Me too !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? "
i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

...

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

But you make whatever assumptions you want

The point is that adverts aren't meant to be researched. If a reasonably intelligent and unbiased person looks at an advert and can't see something offensive then it probably isn't offensive.

Snowflakes are people who keep seeing offense where the averages person doesn't.

The only explanations offered are that "it trivialises this" or "contributes to a culture of that" which is the subjective realm of opinions preferred by those without facts on their side.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find the advert in bad taste and offensive . I've not asked anyone else to be offended or had a go at them if they don't think it is .

Perhaps people not offended should try and follow suit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to see that this forum post as escalated to people feeling the need to inbox me and tell me how rubbish BLM is

Me too !!! "

People obviously have time on their hands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

But you make whatever assumptions you want

The point is that adverts aren't meant to be researched. If a reasonably intelligent and unbiased person looks at an advert and can't see something offensive then it probably isn't offensive.

Snowflakes are people who keep seeing offense where the averages person doesn't.

The only explanations offered are that "it trivialises this" or "contributes to a culture of that" which is the subjective realm of opinions preferred by those without facts on their side. "
Eh ? The people who make adverts do a lot of research

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Nice to see that this forum post as escalated to people feeling the need to inbox me and tell me how rubbish BLM is

Really!

I'd noticed Fab's bonehead contingent had been a bit quiet lately. Maybe they've taken to Private Messaging people with their deranged views instead of posting them in the forums.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

Give Pepsi a chance

Aside from that poor attempt at humour ....

It was a poorly thought out ad.

But haven't we seen many similar images in the past ?

I seem to recall Coke doing similar things with flower power and demonstrations, and the flower in the rifle, or even Tiannamen Square ?

Big corps/ ad agencies will seek to utilise any imagery they can, and on the other hand campaigners will do so as well, and are as media savvy

I'm waiting for Banksy's next piece of artwork

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

I don't think anyone is defending Pepsi, I think some people just aren't offended by the ad. Others obviously are, but are offended by the ad, rather than the brand. Had or Dr Pepper or sprite done the same ad im sure they would have found it equally offensive.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's a place where likeminded vegan, gender-queer, non-conformists can take a break from their gender studies class and discuss issues without people mainsplaining, imposing their white privilege or presenting facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

But you make whatever assumptions you want

The point is that adverts aren't meant to be researched. If a reasonably intelligent and unbiased person looks at an advert and can't see something offensive then it probably isn't offensive.

Snowflakes are people who keep seeing offense where the averages person doesn't.

The only explanations offered are that "it trivialises this" or "contributes to a culture of that" which is the subjective realm of opinions preferred by those without facts on their side. "

Mmmm. Okay, by that train of thought then (and I'm not agreeing with your train of thought), the fact that the ad has been pulled perhaps demonstrates that enough people found it offensive.

By the way, your point is daft -- that's my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hahaha pmsl pseudo intellectual wankfest is it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

I suppose it's really no coincidence that people with a very limited understanding of an issue view them through a lens of trite stereotypes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol @ The assumption that all vegans are white

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

But you make whatever assumptions you want

The point is that adverts aren't meant to be researched. If a reasonably intelligent and unbiased person looks at an advert and can't see something offensive then it probably isn't offensive.

Snowflakes are people who keep seeing offense where the averages person doesn't.

The only explanations offered are that "it trivialises this" or "contributes to a culture of that" which is the subjective realm of opinions preferred by those without facts on their side.

Mmmm. Okay, by that train of thought then (and I'm not agreeing with your train of thought), the fact that the ad has been pulled perhaps demonstrates that enough people found it offensive.

By the way, your point is daft -- that's my opinion.

Also, you seem awful offended.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

" I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

Why not go and read more about it? I'm not here to prop up your lack of awareness, Dan.

Yeah Dan, go get a degree in 'how to be offended'!

If something is really offensive then you shouldn't need the new statesman to explain the offence!

I didn't mention new statesman. And your attempt to troll me is poor, come on -- try better.

Do you honestly see no irony in relying on other people to tell you what you should be offended about?

Sorry, where have I relied on other people? You're making no sense.

But you make whatever assumptions you want

The point is that adverts aren't meant to be researched. If a reasonably intelligent and unbiased person looks at an advert and can't see something offensive then it probably isn't offensive.

Snowflakes are people who keep seeing offense where the averages person doesn't.

The only explanations offered are that "it trivialises this" or "contributes to a culture of that" which is the subjective realm of opinions preferred by those without facts on their side.

Mmmm. Okay, by that train of thought then (and I'm not agreeing with your train of thought), the fact that the ad has been pulled perhaps demonstrates that enough people found it offensive.

By the way, your point is daft -- that's my opinion.

Also, you seem awful offended.

The people who refer to others as 'snowflakes' always have very thin skins.

It's very curious!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

Mansplaining has to be between a man and a woman...

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm not sure how thinking something is crass and badly thought out and yes totally inappropriate makes me a snowflake?

I'm starting to notice this a lot. If there is one thing that has become apparent its that the "I'm totally NOT racist and you're just offended at everything!!" crowd is starting to become just as insufferable as those on the far left.

I also find it rather dubious that the media started to use the term "controversial" and "offensive". When I read both the comments on Youtube people were panning the ad simply for the crime of it being fucking terrible...like, comically bad.

And this is what I am starting to see. People put out garbage content and when people disapprove of it or speak negatively on it...they'll jump and say "oh well you're just sensitive!!"

No mate, maybe your ideas just suck balls.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Lol @ The assumption that all vegans are white "

Where does it say or imply that? If you want to take it literally it implies that all vegans aren't white.

That's mansplaining by the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

Mansplaining has to be between a man and a woman... "

I know. I was just correcting the fact you wrote mainsplaining.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The ad was awful and easier the worst ad ever made.

To imply to police brutality that has claimed the lives of hundreds of people can be solved by a simple can of pepsi is in really really bad taste.

No it's not.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

Mansplaining has to be between a man and a woman...

I know. I was just correcting the fact you wrote mainsplaining.

Ah thanks, my fucking privileged autocorrect was trying to trivilise the matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

Mansplaining has to be between a man and a woman...

I know. I was just correcting the fact you wrote mainsplaining.

Ah thanks, my fucking privileged autocorrect was trying to trivilise the matter. "

My pleasure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yup, this is where we're going. And its....bizarre to say the least. Those same corporations are gonna start clocking on fast if they have not already.

Release tone deaf rubbish and have idiots defend your shitty decisions because they think they're pushing back against the "snowflakes". Its shocking how people seem to be clamoring over themselves to defend crony capitalistic endeavors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

Mansplaining has to be between a man and a woman...

I know. I was just correcting the fact you wrote mainsplaining.

Ah thanks, my fucking privileged autocorrect was trying to trivilise the matter.

My pleasure

I guessed you were going for trivialise btw.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm not sure how thinking something is crass and badly thought out and yes totally inappropriate makes me a snowflake?

And this is what I am starting to see. People put out garbage content and when people disapprove of it or speak negatively on it...they'll jump and say "oh well you're just sensitive!!"

No mate, maybe your ideas just suck balls."

Nobody is bothered by people saying it sucks balls. Personally I just don't think that everything that sucks balls should be banned since the authoritarian banning of alternative opinions is the definition of facism.

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By *atteriesnotIncludedMan
over a year ago

Buxton

"Haven't seen it.

But the whole concept of advertising is to get people talking about the brand/product.

Looks like it worked perfectly "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm not sure how thinking something is crass and badly thought out and yes totally inappropriate makes me a snowflake?

And this is what I am starting to see. People put out garbage content and when people disapprove of it or speak negatively on it...they'll jump and say "oh well you're just sensitive!!"

No mate, maybe your ideas just suck balls.

It was not banned though, Pepsi pulled it. Media companies pull ads for a myriad of reasons all the time, many of those reasons involve adverts coming off poorly with the general public despite not being offensive.

Sorry but this is the example of the deliberately obtuse viewpoint I am talking about. One should educate themselves on the definition of free speech and this is not a free speech issue. Much of the general public seems to have no interest in correctly articulating their ideas/thoughts/premises to other people and would rather just scream "you're offended!!" when they fail to do so.

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By *obyn67Woman
over a year ago

Wonderland

The sight of Miss Jenner removing her wig and handing it to a black woman says all we need to know about the entire advert and it's understanding of BLM

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Haven't seen it.

But the whole concept of advertising is to get people talking about the brand/product.

Looks like it worked perfectly

Pepsi spent a fortune on that ad, because they wanted to get a fortune back.

What they didn't want is for a worldwide reaction of mockery of their brand to occur because they produced an advert so awful no-one can stop laughing at it, and 90% of the time will only ever be watched for the hilarity.

So while they may sell a few extra cans through dumb association, this didn't 'work' for them on any level.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm not sure how thinking something is crass and badly thought out and yes totally inappropriate makes me a snowflake?

And this is what I am starting to see. People put out garbage content and when people disapprove of it or speak negatively on it...they'll jump and say "oh well you're just sensitive!!"

No mate, maybe your ideas just suck balls.

Good point

That's your opinion and i disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

You get over it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

You get over it. "

Both of you get over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

You get over it. "

I'm over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

You get over it.

I'm over it

Hurrah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I'm not sure how thinking something is crass and badly thought out and yes totally inappropriate makes me a snowflake?

And this is what I am starting to see. People put out garbage content and when people disapprove of it or speak negatively on it...they'll jump and say "oh well you're just sensitive!!"

No mate, maybe your ideas just suck balls."

I'm also noticing the ironic lack if self awareness in some of the posts and comments (not just this thread, or even just in this forum) of those berating other people who they feel have taken offence at something they shouldn't have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

You get over it.

Both of you get over it

You should get on it

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By *ookingforlustMan
over a year ago

northants

I'm deeply outraged!!

The OP says it is Kylie Jenner in the ad when it's quite clearly Kendal Jenner!!

Apart from that, who gives a fuck?!

I'm saving my faux outrage for those poor kids in Syria......

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"funny how people jump to defend big corporations vociferously

Yeah this is a pepsi safe space, didn't you know? i didnt know, no idea what you mean by safe space

It's mansplaining

Shush please, men are talking. It's called mansplaining, because it's a man explaining thing. I'm glad that I cleared that up for you pretty girls

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I'm deeply outraged!!

The OP says it is Kylie Jenner in the ad when it's quite clearly Kendal Jenner!!

Apart from that, who gives a fuck?!

I'm saving my faux outrage for those poor kids in Syria......"

Yup, my bad, I fucked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pepsi is evil, so is ... I stay with Tonic

Sorry was there an advert?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's always someone who will feel offended by something. Get over it

You get over it.

Both of you get over it

You should get on it

Or under it

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

Black lives matter is a hate group.

They chant abusive things and cause violence wherever they go.

It's just an anti white hate group and should be treated as such.

Ignored and shamed.

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over a year ago

"Black lives matter is a hate group.

They chant abusive things and cause violence wherever they go.

It's just an anti white hate group and should be treated as such.

Ignored and shamed."

Riiiight.

Not the biggest fan of BLM. But I become awfully suspect of people who make this statement. Should I now go around calling Brexiteers racist because I have seen a few Brexit supporters/kippers saying racist things?

Both the left and the right has become full of asinine fucktards who make points like this. There are people sitting there equating BLM to the KKK, ya really.

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over a year ago

"I'm deeply outraged!!

The OP says it is Kylie Jenner in the ad when it's quite clearly Kendal Jenner!!

Apart from that, who gives a fuck?!

I'm saving my faux outrage for those poor kids in Syria......"

Yeah, except lets not pretend you actually fuck about the poor kids in Syria (or could even probably point it on a map).

Twitter and Youtube comments allow anyone to comment. Such platforms will mean people will share opinions. Many of those will be disapproving of whatever they choose to disapprove.

I am starting to notice that people seem to want to stop people from having any dissenting opinion on anything. Someone will critique an opinion as being insensitive or racist or sexist and instead of people to share a counter argument they'll instead just scream back that anyone disagreeing is a "snowflake". Idiots.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Black lives matter is a hate group.

They chant abusive things and cause violence wherever they go.

It's just an anti white hate group and should be treated as such.

Ignored and shamed.

Riiiight.

Most racists are brexiteers is not the same as most brexiteers are racists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like Pepsi I'm more of a kind of girl but these adverts wouldn't make me want to go out and buy a can of pop.

Should just show people sitting in the house having a take away and cracking open a nice cold can of . That would make me want to go out and but a can and get a Chinese.

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

I'd like to buy the world a Coke

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

By the way, I thought this ad was ok. Not good, not bad just ok.

Feel free to tell me why I should be offended by it though. Of course, when I say "feel free to" I really mean "please don't"...

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I don't like Pepsi I'm more of a kind of girl but these adverts wouldn't make me want to go out and buy a can of pop.

Should just show people sitting in the house having a take away and cracking open a nice cold can of . That would make me want to go out and but a can and get a Chinese. "

Thats very true. Pepsi has long had the more edgy advertising trying to keep up with current events, but it's never done anything to close the sales gap with .

As one of my friends in advertising explained "i get paid the same whether my advert shifts sales or not. But if make a really 'creative' advert that other advertisers admire and give an award to, then i can triple my salary as a contractor".

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"By the way, I thought this ad was ok. Not good, not bad just ok.

Feel free to tell me why I should be offended by it though. Of course, when I say "feel free to" I really mean "please don't"...

You shouldn't be offended, but you need better tastes in ads. Its a bad ad!

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By *LCC OP Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"I don't like Pepsi I'm more of a kind of girl but these adverts wouldn't make me want to go out and buy a can of pop.

Should just show people sitting in the house having a take away and cracking open a nice cold can of . That would make me want to go out and but a can and get a Chinese.

Thats very true. Pepsi has long had the more edgy advertising trying to keep up with current events, but it's never done anything to close the sales gap with .

I liked it when they either brought or chartered concord, painted it up with Pepsi all over it, but apparently they didn't know that they needed special paint to deal with supersonic speeds and all the paint peeled off

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I'm deeply outraged!!

The OP says it is Kylie Jenner in the ad when it's quite clearly Kendal Jenner!!

Apart from that, who gives a fuck?!

I'm saving my faux outrage for those poor kids in Syria......

Yeah, except lets not pretend you actually fuck about the poor kids in Syria (or could even probably point it on a map).

Twitter and Youtube comments allow anyone to comment. Such platforms will mean people will share opinions. Many of those will be disapproving of whatever they choose to disapprove.

The thing that gets me is the equating of the expression of a strong dislike for something with a call for it to be banned.

As for as I know no one has suggested that the state step in and pass a law to stop Pepsi making the ad. That's what banning is.

I see nothing wrong or "snowflake" like with people saying they are offended by the ad. If sufficient people express their offence then the ad will be withdrawn voluntarily as has happened here.

That's how the free market works.

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

I'm glad I don't like Pepsi..

Not seen the ad but if an advertising company decided it'd be a good idea, it obviously was..

Hence this thread...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives matter is a hate group.

They chant abusive things and cause violence wherever they go.

It's just an anti white hate group and should be treated as such.

Ignored and shamed.

Riiiight.

Both the left and the right has become full of asinine fucktards who make points like this. There are people sitting there equating BLM to the KKK, ya really. "

I never thought I'd see the day when I agree with superfreak . I'm buying a lottery ticket for tonight !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a commercial. A crap commercial. It doesn't (unless you choose to spin it into an argument to incite anger) tell anyone to go out and do something bad, it doesn't suggest that you must buy something to make you skinny, seek body perfection or own a car that says I'm considerably richer than you (but in debt) which is normally rammed down our throats. Watch it, use your brain and if it offends don't buy the product.but how many will buy it today because it's cheaper than an alternative company that has ridiculous marketing budgets.

Pepsi will always be known as the company that set fire to Michael Jackson anyway!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives matter is a hate group.

They chant abusive things and cause violence wherever they go.

It's just an anti white hate group and should be treated as such.

Ignored and shamed.

Riiiight.

Both the left and the right has become full of asinine fucktards who make points like this. There are people sitting there equating BLM to the KKK, ya really.

I never thought I'd see the day when I agree with superfreak . I'm buying a lottery ticket for tonight !!!"

IKR? I feel dirty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a commercial. A crap commercial. It doesn't (unless you choose to spin it into an argument to incite anger) tell anyone to go out and do something bad, it doesn't suggest that you must buy something to make you skinny, seek body perfection or own a car that says I'm considerably richer than you (but in debt) which is normally rammed down our throats. Watch it, use your brain and if it offends don't buy the product.but how many will buy it today because it's cheaper than an alternative company that has ridiculous marketing budgets.

Pepsi will always be known as the company that set fire to Michael Jackson anyway!"

Your reasons as to why it has possibly caused distaste are not the reasons why it has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives matter is a hate group.

They chant abusive things and cause violence wherever they go.

It's just an anti white hate group and should be treated as such.

Ignored and shamed.

Riiiight.

Both the left and the right has become full of asinine fucktards who make points like this. There are people sitting there equating BLM to the KKK, ya really.

I never thought I'd see the day when I agree with superfreak . I'm buying a lottery ticket for tonight !!!

IKR? I feel dirty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

I don;t find it insulting either just seems to nighlights those that repeatedly use it as often as those that oftem have an inability to actually discuss or debate something and just resort to lazy insults

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago

Wherever the party is!

"By the way, I thought this ad was ok. Not good, not bad just ok.

Feel free to tell me why I should be offended by it though. Of course, when I say "feel free to" I really mean "please don't"...

You shouldn't be offended, but you need better tastes in ads. Its a bad ad! "

It looks like something that all the young uns might be in to. Obviously not aimed at me but I'm sure their intended target "gets it"

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over a year ago

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay). "

Because those arent all insults?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Because those arent all insults? "

I don't find it insulting to be called a snob, no.

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over a year ago

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Because those arent all insults?

I don't find it insulting to be called a snob, no. "

Oh ok. Its usually meant as such.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay). "

Here's a thought. Why not avoid labels or insults of all sorts and discuss the issue rather than attacking the person or their suspected motives.

Once you start labelling someone, they then respond to that label and the original issue is obscured as insults are traded.

Play the ball not the man as we say in football.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Because those arent all insults?

I don't find it insulting to be called a snob, no.

Oh ok. Its usually meant as such. "

I find it a factually accurate statement in my case. It's hard to feel insulted by things that are true.

Sometimes its done in a context that implies "what you just said is lacking compassion" and i may or may not modify my behaviour accordingly. Likewise i think snowflakes should consider whether they arent being a little over sensitive at times.

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over a year ago

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Because those arent all insults?

I don't find it insulting to be called a snob, no.

Oh ok. Its usually meant as such. "

It is a pejorative term, yes. But remember much of the stance being taken by the person who doesn't find it insulting is about how they are attacking those that take offence to things, so it would be counterproductive to take insult to an insult.

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over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark. "

The issues are perceived.

In your bubble it's a big deal because you soak yourself in a bath of perceived oppression and injustice

Get some perspective and get off the internet

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over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

The issues are perceived.

In your bubble it's a big deal because you soak yourself in a bath of perceived oppression and injustice

Get some perspective and get off the internet"

It amuses me how you like to hound me, and be rude when you know nothing about me.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Here's a thought. Why not avoid labels or insults of all sorts and discuss the issue rather than attacking the person or their suspected motives.

Once you start labelling someone, they then respond to that label and the original issue is obscured as insults are traded.

Play the ball not the man as we say in football.

Yes this is true. But humour has it's place in debate too.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Because those arent all insults?

I don't find it insulting to be called a snob, no.

Oh ok. Its usually meant as such.

No i really am just a snob and not ashamed of it. We could start another thread on 'how snobbery holds society together' if you like but its a bit of a rabbit hole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Because those arent all insults?

I don't find it insulting to be called a snob, no.

Oh ok. Its usually meant as such.

No i really am just a snob and not ashamed of it. We could start another thread on 'how snobbery holds society together' if you like but its a bit of a rabbit hole. "

Fair enough.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Here's a thought. Why not avoid labels or insults of all sorts and discuss the issue rather than attacking the person or their suspected motives.

Once you start labelling someone, they then respond to that label and the original issue is obscured as insults are traded.

Play the ball not the man as we say in football.

Yes this is true. But humour has it's place in debate too. "

Perhaps, but it's always seemed to me that when you start saying "only snowflakes/racists (or whatever) would say that" you have essentially conceded the argument.

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over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

The issues are perceived.

In your bubble it's a big deal because you soak yourself in a bath of perceived oppression and injustice

Get some perspective and get off the internet

It amuses me how you like to hound me, and be rude when you know nothing about me.

I'm not... You just tend to be the one dishing out the insanity of the oppressed liberal

I'm a liberal myself.. But in the true sense of it

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Here's a thought. Why not avoid labels or insults of all sorts and discuss the issue rather than attacking the person or their suspected motives.

Once you start labelling someone, they then respond to that label and the original issue is obscured as insults are traded.

Play the ball not the man as we say in football.

Yes this is true. But humour has it's place in debate too.

Perhaps, but it's always seemed to me that when you start saying "only snowflakes/racists (or whatever) would say that" you have essentially conceded the argument. "

Again true. It's very much in my category of first world problems that i'll discuss when time permits than something i really care about. So not really bringing my 'A game' and yes on occassion slipping into lazy labels, but at least I know when i'm doing it. I really am taken back that anyone really finds it offensive, does anyone remember the 'mountain dew' advert with the goat? That was actually offensive!

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over a year ago

Fuss over nothing - as usual!

Five times as many people disliked this advert as liked it. Looks more like an avalanche than a few snowflakes to me, and I'm happy to be part of it.

We have a generation of snowflakes at the moment, so that stat doesn't surprise me. I only watched the video to see what the fuss about (hey, the advertising worked! Good work creative ad-persons!

) and it's key target market is clearly the 12-30 age range - Generation Snowflake!

I find it frustrating when people brush over things glibly rather than educate themselves as to what the issue is. Smileyface Happyface Exclamation Mark.

The issues are perceived.

In your bubble it's a big deal because you soak yourself in a bath of perceived oppression and injustice

Get some perspective and get off the internet

It amuses me how you like to hound me, and be rude when you know nothing about me.

I'm not... You just tend to be the one dishing out the insanity of the oppressed liberal

I'm a liberal myself.. But in the true sense of it "

Again, you know nothing about my opinion. But assume you do. That amuses me greatly.

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over a year ago

OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about? "

Christ, you bore me.

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about? "

There are a few people on this thread who said they found it offensive - any reason your just focusing on one ?

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

There are a few people on this thread who said they found it offensive - any reason your just focusing on one ?"

He has a problem with me. It's alright.

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over a year ago

Anyone else get slightly raged when asking for a and they say is Pepsi ok

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over a year ago

The Kardashians/Jenners are media whores and are probably enjoying the attention.

With regards Pepsi, I never drink it, it puts my teeth on edge, so no campaign would work on me.

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over a year ago

"Anyone else get slightly raged when asking for a and they say is Pepsi ok

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"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

Christ, you bore me. "

You see this is the idiocy of hardcore liberalism, there's always a cop out when challenged.

I'm simply enquiring about your opinion... Seeing as you rightly said I don't know it

As you were snowflake

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

There are a few people on this thread who said they found it offensive - any reason your just focusing on one ?

He has a problem with me. It's alright.

I actually think you are OK, but I despise the movement you are signed up to

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

Christ, you bore me.

You see this is the idiocy of hardcore liberalism, there's always a cop out when challenged.

I'm simply enquiring about your opinion... Seeing as you rightly said I don't know it

As you were snowflake "

No, you've been offensive to me in your opening comment. You have a prior issue with me as you like to try and tell me what I think, and I'm under no obligation to answer you or justify my opinion to you. Also if you actually read the thread you can see the convo I've had with Dan. You can see where I've explained why some others have seen references that have framed their perceptions. You attack me as if I don't understand what a perception is. You only ever ask me a question when I first challenge how you've leapt to conclusions first and perhaps if you want to discuss something that asking a question would be a good start. You bore me.

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

There are a few people on this thread who said they found it offensive - any reason your just focusing on one ?

He has a problem with me. It's alright.

I actually think you are OK, but I despise the movement you are signed up to "

I'm not signed up to a movement.

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Am more a man tbh

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over a year ago

"Anyone else get slightly raged when asking for a and they say is Pepsi ok

I always want to reply - is Monopoly money ok ?

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over a year ago

You were complaining about people glibly dismissing the issue and I was wondering what the hell the damn issue is?

It was a genuine question which you seem to have been "triggered" by

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

There are a few people on this thread who said they found it offensive - any reason your just focusing on one ?

He has a problem with me. It's alright.

I actually think you are OK, but I despise the movement you are signed up to

I'm not signed up to a movement.

You call yourself a feminist though?

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By (user no longer on site)
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"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

Christ, you bore me.

You see this is the idiocy of hardcore liberalism, there's always a cop out when challenged.

I'm simply enquiring about your opinion... Seeing as you rightly said I don't know it

As you were snowflake

*then asking a ...

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over a year ago

"OK... What was the issue you were suggesting people educate themselves about?

There are a few people on this thread who said they found it offensive - any reason your just focusing on one ?

He has a problem with me. It's alright.

I actually think you are OK, but I despise the movement you are signed up to

I'm not signed up to a movement.

You call yourself a feminist though? "

I call myself Estella.

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over a year ago

"Anyone else get slightly raged when asking for a and they say is Pepsi ok

I always say 'ah well it's far inferior but it'll have to do'

Having said that Pepsi Max Cherry is my mass commercially produced soft drink of choice!

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over a year ago

"You were complaining about people glibly dismissing the issue and I was wondering what the hell the damn issue is?

It was a genuine question which you seem to have been "triggered" by

No, you attacked. Your question came when I pointed out your assumptions. Again.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"I'm not even sure why 'snowflake' is an insult: beautiful, unique and when grouped together, potentially lethal.

It seems to have replaced politically correct as the insult of coice towards liberals/lefties.

It's not really an insult, more a label. Kind of like snob, toff or queen (gay).

Here's a thought. Why not avoid labels or insults of all sorts and discuss the issue rather than attacking the person or their suspected motives.

Once you start labelling someone, they then respond to that label and the original issue is obscured as insults are traded.

Play the ball not the man as we say in football.

Yes this is true. But humour has it's place in debate too.

Perhaps, but it's always seemed to me that when you start saying "only snowflakes/racists (or whatever) would say that" you have essentially conceded the argument.

As I suspect you agree "offensiveness" is based on subjective emotion. Most people would think that jokes that made light of Lee rigbys fate would be seen as offensive. So such jokes are thought to be "offensive" in an objective sense.

In other words, nothing is offensive per se. It all depends on people's subjective emotions. Hence if sufficient number of people find this ad offensive it will be offensive. Whether or not you and I have the experience of personal offence is neither here nor there.

What has happened with this ad is actually a textbook example of free market operations. An ad is produced, people vociferously protest against it, the company realises they have fucked up with the ad and that it might effect their sales. Ad is therefore withdrawn. It's slightly strange that those defending the ad think they know better than the hard nosed capitalists at the head of PepsiCo.

(closed, thread got too big)

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