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Shannon Matthews the mothers story

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

About to start on 5....anyone watching it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nope

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By *inkySlinkyCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

Yes.

Sally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder how much she's been paid for that?

All they wanted was the money!

Absolutely shameful......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

I still believe that some people should never be parents.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wonder how much she's been paid for that?

All they wanted was the money!

Absolutely shameful......"

I wouldn't have thought anything as I don't think she will be in it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Out of morbid curiosity.

I wouldn't call her a mother though. Mothers don't allow their child to be abducted and hidden for money while lying to the whole country about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wonder how much she's been paid for that?

All they wanted was the money!

Absolutely shameful......

I wouldn't have thought anything as I don't think she will be in it.

If it's her story, in her words then she'll get something for it!"

That was my first thoughts.....but it's just people talking about her.

So no its not as the title suggests.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just read about it, not really the Mothers' story is it.

More dire investigative journalism

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just read about it, not really the Mothers' story is it.

More dire investigative journalism "

Yep

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

No, no TV anyway

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No, no TV anyway "

You taking the piss.....tv in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She done her time, paid her debt to society, leave her be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She done her time, paid her debt to society, leave her be"

Well she hasnt has she? Doesnt matter how much time she does the psychological damage she did to her child will last a lifetime and that can never be repaid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She done her time, paid her debt to society, leave her be"

On the whole I agree with that but what she done was a different kind of sick so it's understandable people are going to have strong feelings against her. It'll follow her to her dying day and so it should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The law says differently. By all accounts she was/is quite a damaged person herself (abused). I just don't see the point in demonising her any further...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get what you're saying but the law doesn't control people's emotions. Should she be left to get on with her life? Yeah. Will she be allowed to get on with her life? Probably not. That's what happens when you commit a crime as shocking as hers and nothings gonna change that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The law says differently. By all accounts she was/is quite a damaged person herself (abused). I just don't see the point in demonising her any further... "
she left her daughter with a paedophile!! Surely if she had been abused she would never let him anywhere near her daughter.. sorry but she is as bad as him in the scenario she created

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get what you're saying but the law doesn't control people's emotions. Should she be left to get on with her life? Yeah. Will she be allowed to get on with her life? Probably not. That's what happens when you commit a crime as shocking as hers and nothings gonna change that."

You can see my point and I quite agree with your points too. But for some it isn't enough and for those people she will always be someone who wasn't treated harshly enough... In a court of law she has been judged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The law says differently. By all accounts she was/is quite a damaged person herself (abused). I just don't see the point in demonising her any further... she left her daughter with a paedophile!! Surely if she had been abused she would never let him anywhere near her daughter.. sorry but she is as bad as him in the scenario she created"

You are incorrect. It was her partner Craig who was judged to be the paedophile as you put it. The uncle Karen Matthews's daughter was with was and has never been charged with any sexual offences against children...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The law says differently. By all accounts she was/is quite a damaged person herself (abused). I just don't see the point in demonising her any further... she left her daughter with a paedophile!! Surely if she had been abused she would never let him anywhere near her daughter.. sorry but she is as bad as him in the scenario she created

You are incorrect. It was her partner Craig who was judged to be the paedophile as you put it. The uncle Karen Matthews's daughter was with was and has never been charged with any sexual offences against children... "

She still left her daughter in his care and had him around her, who in their right mind does that!

She caused her daughter all that harm and the poor kid lost all her family as she cant even see her grandparents all because her mum wanted to cash in.

She should have served a hell of a lot longer sentence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not defending her actions, Scarlett. What she did was wrong and unlawful and she was judged so by those better served to say than any of us after taking into consideration legal precedent, the full facts of the case, the harm to her daughter and Karen Matthews' own pyschological reports.

How long would you have given her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am not defending her actions, Scarlett. What she did was wrong and unlawful and she was judged so by those better served to say than any of us after taking into consideration legal precedent, the full facts of the case, the harm to her daughter and Karen Matthews' own pyschological reports.

How long would you have given her?"

Life! She ruined her daughters and familys life so thats what she should serve.

Have you actually seen how pitiful and leniant sentences are here in the UK, we need to have a tougher approach like america does and stop these cushy prisons, she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Life! She ruined her daughters and familys life so thats what she should serve.

Have you actually seen how pitiful and leniant sentences are here in the UK, we need to have a tougher approach like america does and stop these cushy prisons, she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did"

Those "tougher" American prisons really make that much difference? The statistics don't bear that out. The US has four times as many people in their prisons compared to us (and before anyone says it is a bigger country this is based on prison population per 100,000 citizens). Tougher prisons are not a deterrent, Scarlett. If that's your yardstick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was sad to watch..

The mom obviously has huge issues herself

And was very much attention seeking..

Taking into account her whole life I think justice was served.

Hoping Shannon lives a happy life now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Life! She ruined her daughters and familys life so thats what she should serve.

Have you actually seen how pitiful and leniant sentences are here in the UK, we need to have a tougher approach like america does and stop these cushy prisons, she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did

Those "tougher" American prisons really make that much difference? The statistics don't bear that out. The US has four times as many people in their prisons compared to us (and before anyone says it is a bigger country this is based on prison population per 100,000 citizens). Tougher prisons are not a deterrent, Scarlett. If that's your yardstick.

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My friends husband works in a maximum security prison in texas for some it is a huge deterrent. You realise her time served was sat in what would pass as a holiday home in america there wasnt any real fear just no way for her to abuse her daughter in there and now she is out I think it wont be long until she does something stupid again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Life! She ruined her daughters and familys life so thats what she should serve.

Have you actually seen how pitiful and leniant sentences are here in the UK, we need to have a tougher approach like america does and stop these cushy prisons, she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did

Those "tougher" American prisons really make that much difference? The statistics don't bear that out. The US has four times as many people in their prisons compared to us (and before anyone says it is a bigger country this is based on prison population per 100,000 citizens). Tougher prisons are not a deterrent, Scarlett. If that's your yardstick.

My friends husband works in a maximum security prison in texas for some it is a huge deterrent. You realise her time served was sat in what would pass as a holiday home in america there wasnt any real fear just no way for her to abuse her daughter in there and now she is out I think it wont be long until she does something stupid again. "

Any stats on the reoffending rate there compared to the UK, or a country with what you'd consider an even more lenient sentencing and prison system? For instance the Netherlands?

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By *amrod400Man
over a year ago

belfast

Scarlet... u talk about these jails in America being deterrents, I suggest you watch Louis Theroux program on pedophiles in America the place was like a retirement village for pedophiles and life was that good in it this place they didn't want out of it ...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did"

I have never heard that one. As far as the program stated she is working as a volunteer in a charity shop now.

One of the things stated in the program from a so called expert is.....parents will always be very judgemental in cases like these.

I myself think it was discusting what she did.....but I think she was a very damaged person with a mental age of a teenager.

So in fairness I feel it is time to move on now and I hope this is the last of these programs about the case as it stirs up too many emotions and does nobody any good.

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

My heart goes out to her children think their all with people who will take better care of them. I'm from Dewsbury i can tell you Karen Mathews did a lot of damage to Dewsbury's reputation which was low anyway' Dewsbury is on it's arse i really believe part of the reason why is because of her .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My heart goes out to her children think their all with people who will take better care of them. I'm from Dewsbury i can tell you Karen Mathews did a lot of damage to Dewsbury's reputation which was low anyway' Dewsbury is on it's arse i really believe part of the reason why is because of her ."

Obviously her part will not of helped but where I live the towns are all on there arses....but I think that goes for the whole of the North apart from the big cities....but thats another story in itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Life! She ruined her daughters and familys life so thats what she should serve.

Have you actually seen how pitiful and leniant sentences are here in the UK, we need to have a tougher approach like america does and stop these cushy prisons, she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did

Those "tougher" American prisons really make that much difference? The statistics don't bear that out. The US has four times as many people in their prisons compared to us (and before anyone says it is a bigger country this is based on prison population per 100,000 citizens). Tougher prisons are not a deterrent, Scarlett. If that's your yardstick.

My friends husband works in a maximum security prison in texas for some it is a huge deterrent. You realise her time served was sat in what would pass as a holiday home in america there wasnt any real fear just no way for her to abuse her daughter in there and now she is out I think it wont be long until she does something stupid again.

Any stats on the reoffending rate there compared to the UK, or a country with what you'd consider an even more lenient sentencing and prison system? For instance the Netherlands? "

Recidivism rates in the UK and the US generally run at about 70-80% in any given period, whereas those soft Scandies and Benelux countries have a recidivism rate of between 30-50%

Probably not the answer most want to hear, but them's the facts.

Punitive populism doesn't work.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Life! She ruined her daughters and familys life so thats what she should serve.

Have you actually seen how pitiful and leniant sentences are here in the UK, we need to have a tougher approach like america does and stop these cushy prisons, she's come out and still trying to make money selling stories etc. Lots of people go through worse than she ever did but they wont harm their children like she did

Those "tougher" American prisons really make that much difference? The statistics don't bear that out. The US has four times as many people in their prisons compared to us (and before anyone says it is a bigger country this is based on prison population per 100,000 citizens). Tougher prisons are not a deterrent, Scarlett. If that's your yardstick.

My friends husband works in a maximum security prison in texas for some it is a huge deterrent. You realise her time served was sat in what would pass as a holiday home in america there wasnt any real fear just no way for her to abuse her daughter in there and now she is out I think it wont be long until she does something stupid again.

Any stats on the reoffending rate there compared to the UK, or a country with what you'd consider an even more lenient sentencing and prison system? For instance the Netherlands?

Recidivism rates in the UK and the US generally run at about 70-80% in any given period, whereas those soft Scandies and Benelux countries have a recidivism rate of between 30-50%

Probably not the answer most want to hear, but them's the facts.

Punitive populism doesn't work."

I am a lawyer. I used to do lots of criminal defence work and I can assure everyone that my clients hated going to prison and would be desperate for me to keep them put. Which would be strange if they were like holiday camps.

I also visited a lot of prisons and it would be difficult to describe more depressing soul destroying places.

I suspect that those who run the holiday camp line get their info about prison either from the tabloid Press or some bloke they met down the pub who knows a bloke whose brother went to prison and he was given an iPad and had regular visits from high class hoppers.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

Hookers not hoppers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hookers not hoppers "

I was thinking blinged up specs hopper!

I've just finished a degree in in criminology where we spent some time in prisons, and if they're holiday camps, don't ever send me on holiday there!

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