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Panorama: The benefit cap

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Are you also watching it now on bbc1? It is interesting, they are following few families as the new cap is introduced.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as it's more in depth than benefit street. Car crash tv

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As long as it's more in depth than benefit street. Car crash tv"
Yes, it is more in dept and different cases, few had to go to food banks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the angle that needs exploring rather than the hate mail guide spouted in the media

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"That's the angle that needs exploring rather than the hate mail guide spouted in the media "
That is right it is, as it shows how it is to live with it.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

There was only one of the featured people I felt sorry for but the rest I had no sympathy for.

They get far more than I earned last year,they need to learn to manage,I resent paying taxes for these people

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By *inkySlinkyCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

I thought the grandma bringing up her four grandsons deserved more as it would have cost the state quadruple if they went into care . Sally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us...

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By *ere2pleasureUMan
over a year ago

Kington

Now let's see a programme about corporate tax evasion and the sanctions applied to such corporates. The banks and what they have done with the benefits they received from the taxpayer and how they too have been sanctioned..

It's the huge corporates and banks that cause this financial situation, yet the little people at the bottom are the ones suffering!

Agree that not all those featured have my sympathy though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't watch these programs, too close to home some of the situations. I really wish that the reality of life on benefits was given a higher media profile than the one perpetrated by the government spin doctors.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course there should be a cap on benefits,just as police shouldn't give a burglar a mobile n then pay £44,k bill,this country has gone crazy,stop allowing immigration unfettered,don't allow people to stay on benefits indefinitely,train them for the jobs and pay a living wage,educate people how to look after themselves,unbelievable but.....Looking at the number of unfit obese younger people some on invalid scooters wtf,basically the nanny Pamby bs has broken this country,get people working,cooking n eating real food n exercise it's not rocket science,then again we can afford rockets these days,but can provide foreign aid to country's that do?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us..."

Post of the thread.

Although, unlike you, I have a few suggestions about how to improve things, but people don't like them....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Although, unlike you, I have a few suggestions about how to improve things, but people don't like them.... "

Do say more

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I thought the grandma bringing up her four grandsons deserved more as it would have cost the state quadruple if they went into care . Sally"
Yes that was the one I felt sorry for

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Although, unlike you, I have a few suggestions about how to improve things, but people don't like them....

Do say more"

It involves enforced wealth redistribution.....

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us..."
Rubbish I have had a very hard time but I have pride and I am a fighter.

The family where he says he spends £40 on beer and fags,I could not have afforded that even if I wanted to.The woman who was getting close to £50,000 could not manage,I was discusted by it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Although, unlike you, I have a few suggestions about how to improve things, but people don't like them....

Do say more

It involves enforced wealth redistribution....."

Well I'm all for that one

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Although, unlike you, I have a few suggestions about how to improve things, but people don't like them....

Do say more

It involves enforced wealth redistribution.....

Well I'm all for that one "

Glad to hear it, commrade.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

As someone that volunteers helping run the local food bank this benefit cap is a bag of wank! it's making poor people poorer. It's already hit for some people and our footfall as already tripled, were even struggling to provide for people in need and these aren't the people you see on the corrupt government shows that show the worst of the worst on benefits these are good honest people/families

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost...."

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that

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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us..."

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By *ancadamMan
over a year ago

Stockport


"We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us..."
amazing post....spot on...thank you.....sums it all up...the mismanagement of a country for the sake of ideology.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that"

...If only you knew how wrong you are in your assumption...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

with the exception of the guy who needed beer more than his kids I felt sorry for all of them especially that mans family .

Its kind of telling that some people would see them further punished .Makes me cringe

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that

...If only you knew how wrong you are in your assumption..."

Then you should know better than to label the mother that starves herself to feed her children and make her bills greedy and unable to live within her means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that

...If only you knew how wrong you are in your assumption..."

Maybe mate....I myself have had many ups and downs in life.

But showing compassion and empathy is what is needed sometimes.....and shuffle they say there is no one more anti smoking then a ex smoker.

Sometimes people who have been down and got back up, think everyone should do it if they can....but it's not always the case!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some not shuffle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that

...If only you knew how wrong you are in your assumption...

Then you should know better than to label the mother that starves herself to feed her children and make her bills greedy and unable to live within her means"

Weave what ever words and pictures you like darling...

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost...."

Really? I work hard, am a single parent. I earned under £1000 last month. Half of that goes on my rent. Council tax, water rates, electricity, tv licence, I would say gas, but regularly go without when my son is at his dads.

I admit I am a smoker, but I rarely go out (other than to work) and when i do go out it is generally to house parties. Last time i went "out out" was Halloween. I only eat at work (stuff that will go in the bin at the end of the night)

I haven't had a holiday in 14 yrs. I don't drive so either walk or get the bus in really bad weather. My hair hasn't been cut in over a year.

I buy the cheapest clothes I can, and really don't have many (3 pairs of trousers and 3 or 4 tops that fit due to losing 4 stone in this past year)

I regularly go without 'normal' things so my child can eat and have what he needs.

I'd say I'm far from greedy.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that

...If only you knew how wrong you are in your assumption...

Then you should know better than to label the mother that starves herself to feed her children and make her bills greedy and unable to live within her means

Weave what ever words and pictures you like darling..."

Not your darling and I don't need to weave them, I've lived it! So now I empathise with and help people in my community in similar situations to what I've dealt with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Learning to be content with what ones got got is the answer to this thread...

Most poverty in this country is self imposed, both the rich and the poor are greedy, desirous of more and more..

Learning to live within ones means is something this nation has long lost....

youve clearly never worked closely enough with the poor if you think that

...If only you knew how wrong you are in your assumption...

Maybe mate....I myself have had many ups and downs in life.

But showing compassion and empathy is what is needed sometimes.....and shuffle they say there is no one more anti smoking then a ex smoker.

Sometimes people who have been down and got back up, think everyone should do it if they can....but it's not always the case!"

A honest response from somebody that knows tne score....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had mixed views. Some could work. There are plenty of minimum wage jobs about. Not perfect but with that goes working tax credit. The kinship carer had 50k coming in a year but wouldn't include her guardianship allowance in paying her bills when surely paying the rent is a priority. Kinship carers do a fantastic job and a lot do not get an allowance. The blonde lady was just costing us a fortune. 7 kids 3 in foster care. 4 with other people. I came away thinking yes there are some cases where financial help was needed but also thought that some needed a good kick up the jacksy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't watch programmes like, my blood would boil with the piss takers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have a responsibility and a duty to give our children a better future than we enjoyed. We are also the 6th richest country in the world. Panorama was an advert for the abject failure of a system that makes people homeless and hopeless then punishes them for their position.

All politicians should be made to live on benefits in cold damp unsanitary broken housing for at least three months forced to fight their way through the beaurocracy they have created and discover how so many disenfranchised people suffer under the systems they have created.

Do I have an answer of how to improve things... no I wish I did.

But those who complain about the unemployed the uneducated the unwashed the unloved the disabled mentally ill at should remember two things...

Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us..."

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't watch programmes like, my blood would boil with the piss takers."

Agree!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't watch any benefits programmes. Why should someone not working get more money per year than someone working full time? And still they claim poverty?

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"I can't watch any benefits programmes. Why should someone not working get more money per year than someone working full time? And still they claim poverty? "

Because it's only the ones that play the system that are, others genuinely can't afford eat if they, otherwise food banks wouldn't exist as they'd serve no purpose

Most benefit programmes only show you what the government wants you to think, at least this paranorama programme tried to show the other side more and give a balanced viewpoint

Truth is the system fails more people than it helps and if your fortunes change and you too are claiming benefits the honest way you'll crash down to earth with a bang! And I'm speaking from experience there

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek


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Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being I their position

And but for our good fortune in the thinking of an eye... they could be us...

"

I had a situation in September where I had 2 weeks holiday, there was an issue with payroll and my holiday wasn't processed correctly so in effect I had 2 weeks off unpaid. It has taken me 6 months to catch up with my bills properly. I think there are plenty of people as close to the edge as I am, and also plenty that can't comprehend it. Fair play to those who never find themselves in a position like that, and shame on those that do cheat the system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had mixed views. Some could work. There are plenty of minimum wage jobs about. "

Last time I applied for minimum wage jobs there were over 100 people applying for each position.

And I was being turned down because I was too experienced, and so I wouldn't stick with them in the long term.

FYI.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't watch any benefits programmes. Why should someone not working get more money per year than someone working full time? And still they claim poverty? "

Your argument is the wrong way round.

"How comes our employers can get away with paying people less than the government has decided it costs to live on?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had mixed views. Some could work. There are plenty of minimum wage jobs about.

Last time I applied for minimum wage jobs there were over 100 people applying for each position.

And I was being turned down because I was too experienced, and so I wouldn't stick with them in the long term.

FYI."

Move to west Norfolk , employers cannot find the staff. Not because of the wage but because the locals do not want the position. I know at least four country pubs who desperately need kitchen staff.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"I had mixed views. Some could work. There are plenty of minimum wage jobs about.

Last time I applied for minimum wage jobs there were over 100 people applying for each position.

And I was being turned down because I was too experienced, and so I wouldn't stick with them in the long term.

FYI."

I was turned down for 8 positions during my time on benefits because I was over qualified for them

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

As much as I sympathise with people in that position, there is no way someone should be able to claim more from benefits than the average family should earn thru working

They are always going to show the more extreme cases where families have genuine reasons where they would be caught up in this, but for the majority of cases the incentive should be to go out there and work

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Some employers also won't entertain you if you've been out of work and in benefits for a prolonged period of time also

So for some they end up in a no win situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had mixed views. Some could work. There are plenty of minimum wage jobs about.

Last time I applied for minimum wage jobs there were over 100 people applying for each position.

And I was being turned down because I was too experienced, and so I wouldn't stick with them in the long term.

FYI.

Move to west Norfolk , employers cannot find the staff. Not because of the wage but because the locals do not want the position. I know at least four country pubs who desperately need kitchen staff."

In a idyllic world this could be done.

But say someone living in the northeast of England.....different house/rent prices....resettlement all for a kitchen job that may only be 30 hours a week!

It sounds good when putting people down...but the true reality is they will stay in the benefit trap as they will need tax credits,rent rebates, council tax rebates.

So they would still be on benefits and living in the poverty trap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my situation I'm a career for my 2 disabled sons, I get paid a pittance by the government for caring for them and have a very restrictive life due to caring for them. I can't work because they need constant care and social care is being cut to the basics so at the moment trying to get them some form of daycare is proving nigh on impossible. But because of the way society is I'm lumped in with the workshy as many call them.

Many people judge without knowing fully each persons story. Life isn't so black and white, I could tell you stories that would horrify you of the depths some families have sunk to and these are the ones that society should protect but the government and media don't want everyone to know the reality of benefits.

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By *ea_CoffeeCouple
over a year ago

Near Kettering

What pisses me off about programmes like this is the fact that they highlight those people living on bennefits as the only people struggling.

whilst most on bennefits are suffering and I do sympathise with those genuinely in trouble. What about the family's that are living in poverty despite the fact that either one or both parents are in full time work earning a minimum wage?

Where is the program highlighting the fact that some families would be financially better off staying at home unemployed?

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In my situation I'm a career for my 2 disabled sons, I get paid a pittance by the government for caring for them and have a very restrictive life due to caring for them. I can't work because they need constant care and social care is being cut to the basics so at the moment trying to get them some form of daycare is proving nigh on impossible. But because of the way society is I'm lumped in with the workshy as many call them.

Many people judge without knowing fully each persons story. Life isn't so black and white, I could tell you stories that would horrify you of the depths some families have sunk to and these are the ones that society should protect but the government and media don't want everyone to know the reality of benefits. "

Very well put

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't watch any benefits programmes. Why should someone not working get more money per year than someone working full time? And still they claim poverty?

Your argument is the wrong way round.

"How comes our employers can get away with paying people less than the government has decided it costs to live on?""

Good point!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal "

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal "

To be honest I never watched the program....but I have seen plenty like it and by what I can gather this guy was one in a minority on the show....and yes you will always get a small minority that are work shy!

But what that guy does is stick in everyone's mind who go along with the media and government views that all people out of work are the same.....it could not be further from the truth but there seems plenty who wish to believe this "fake news".

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I don't think it's fair that people on benefits are going to have to wear one of these Benefit Caps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's fair that people on benefits are going to have to wear one of these Benefit Caps."

Are they made by Burberry?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It was quite sad with the woman with 4 kids, she could have benefits, but she had one kid too much, so had to choose which one to keep and she had no furnitures, lets hope it will be allright.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person. "

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's fair that people on benefits are going to have to wear one of these Benefit Caps.

Are they made by Burberry? "

The chavs choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's fair that people on benefits are going to have to wear one of these Benefit Caps.

Are they made by Burberry?

The chavs choice "

You say that as if it's a bad thing to belong to a particular subculture who likes particular fashion.

(I really fucking hate this classism of looking down on people just because they like certain things.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There another channel 5 benefits propaganda show on now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was quite sad with the woman with 4 kids, she could have benefits, but she had one kid too much, so had to choose which one to keep and she had no furnitures, lets hope it will be allright."

She had 7 kids but three were already in care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available. "

Not under the same conditions.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"I don't think it's fair that people on benefits are going to have to wear one of these Benefit Caps.

Are they made by Burberry? "

Crass and insensitive stereotype bravo

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over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions. "

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely. "

It may as well have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done. "

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done.

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you "

Yes, of course it wasn't your point. But it's my point that the changes implemented have made even the claiming of benefits, access to work being one, so difficult that they may as well not exist in the first place.

The expense in running the benefits system, and catching cheats, far outweighs any savings it makes and merely adds to the longer term social costs. Whatever you feel about lazy ner do wells

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think it's fair that people on benefits are going to have to wear one of these Benefit Caps.

Are they made by Burberry?

Crass and insensitive stereotype bravo "

why thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess the point of the program which was exploring did the benefit cap encourage long term unemployed back into work.

Was answered with a resounding no, none of the people in the program have a job now.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

A lot of people that do work and moan about people on benefits don't realise the benefits that are in place to help top up their own incomes also

I'm better off now in my 16hour a week job than I was on benefits under the cap, and than I was from previously working full time before redundancy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A lot of people that do work and moan about people on benefits don't realise the benefits that are in place to help top up their own incomes also

I'm better off now in my 16hour a week job than I was on benefits under the cap, and than I was from previously working full time before redundancy

"

I don't have a problem with society helping people out, it's just when people take the piss. Nobody wants to work, I get that it's shit having to get up every morning and drag yourself to a place that you only go because they bribe you. But god damnit that's how the world works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

one definition of economics is "the allocation of scarce resources that have alternative uses".

To understand what is happening people need to understand the basics of money, banking, supply and demand and some economics fallacies.

there have been lots of very easy to understand economic books written for the layman since the banking crash of 2008.

It's a good idea to also read economic written from various different schools of economics and political ideologies. books that do not.

the government have capped benefits but also increased minimum wage nd jobs are being off-shored and automated. We are told we need immigrants because there is a skills gap but no one links that to the education system not giving children the skills they need in the workplace.

we have to pay high taxes for the people who are on the doll because it benefits them to be on the doll than to go back to work.

we see people on programs that can obviously work but there are not enough good paying jobs and we also see people who are signed off by their doctor for genuine medical reasons being forced to find non-existant jobs.

Spotting contradictions and then trying to understanind why there are soo many contradictions is good start.

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over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done.

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you

Yes, of course it wasn't your point. But it's my point that the changes implemented have made even the claiming of benefits, access to work being one, so difficult that they may as well not exist in the first place.

The expense in running the benefits system, and catching cheats, far outweighs any savings it makes and merely adds to the longer term social costs. Whatever you feel about lazy ner do wells"

Well, we obviously don't agree at all. I'd never refer to "lazy ner do wells" and your point originally was unclear, that's all. Jeez!

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By *eliciousladyWoman
over a year ago

Sometimes U.K

Although am not living in UK, it's an interesting debate to read.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done.

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you

Yes, of course it wasn't your point. But it's my point that the changes implemented have made even the claiming of benefits, access to work being one, so difficult that they may as well not exist in the first place.

The expense in running the benefits system, and catching cheats, far outweighs any savings it makes and merely adds to the longer term social costs. Whatever you feel about lazy ner do wells

Well, we obviously don't agree at all. I'd never refer to "lazy ner do wells" and your point originally was unclear, that's all. Jeez! "

I was referring to 'you' in the global sense. I'm sorry you took it personally. Also I'm sorry you don't agree the benefits system is designed to prevent people claiming rather than help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done.

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you

Yes, of course it wasn't your point. But it's my point that the changes implemented have made even the claiming of benefits, access to work being one, so difficult that they may as well not exist in the first place.

The expense in running the benefits system, and catching cheats, far outweighs any savings it makes and merely adds to the longer term social costs. Whatever you feel about lazy ner do wells

Well, we obviously don't agree at all. I'd never refer to "lazy ner do wells" and your point originally was unclear, that's all. Jeez!

I was referring to 'you' in the global sense. I'm sorry you took it personally. Also I'm sorry you don't agree the benefits system is designed to prevent people claiming rather than help. "

I globally wouldn't refer to claimants as "lazy ner do wells" -- is that better?

I objected to the use of the phrase that you used, I didn't take it personally.

Your second point makes no sense. You're attempting to put words in my mouth -- just don't, it's silly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done.

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you

Yes, of course it wasn't your point. But it's my point that the changes implemented have made even the claiming of benefits, access to work being one, so difficult that they may as well not exist in the first place.

The expense in running the benefits system, and catching cheats, far outweighs any savings it makes and merely adds to the longer term social costs. Whatever you feel about lazy ner do wells

Well, we obviously don't agree at all. I'd never refer to "lazy ner do wells" and your point originally was unclear, that's all. Jeez!

I was referring to 'you' in the global sense. I'm sorry you took it personally. Also I'm sorry you don't agree the benefits system is designed to prevent people claiming rather than help.

I globally wouldn't refer to claimants as "lazy ner do wells" -- is that better?

I objected to the use of the phrase that you used, I didn't take it personally.

Your second point makes no sense. You're attempting to put words in my mouth -- just don't, it's silly. "

Add I said the 'you' was meant in a global sense, as in anyone. Not you, please don't take it personally.

You told me you didn't agree at all with me. As it was in response to my comment on the benefits system, I'm not sure how else I was supposed to take that other than you don't agree the benefits system hinders rather than helps.

You don't need to try to get personal or make a strawman by trying to turn this back on me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The guy that spent 40 quid a week on beer and fags, there was no reason for him not to be working. He said he hurt his hand, they made the point that he was happily playing his wii.

If seen a lot of professional bad backs in my time, why get a job when you can toss it off all day long and still get paid.

Some of the others where single parents and I understand there can be child care issues which make going to work difficult or not financially worth it.

Really we should be looking at ways to mitigate this pressure as a society, if we want people to contribute by working then access to affordable child care should be universal

And good education, and self esteem and access to work...

It used to be that if you were disabled, you could apply to the access to work scheme for help with making a work place accessible for you so you could do your job. The tory govt decided that now the onus was on the employer to make their workplace accessible. Ergo, employers are now, in effect, being penalised for employing a disabled person.

I am in no way supportive of the Tory government (at all) but just to clarify that Access to Work is still available.

Not under the same conditions.

Thanks for clarifying that's what you meant. It's such an under-utilised scheme that I was just keen people were aware it hasn't gone completely.

It may as well have done.

Not my point. But as I say, I'm not pro-welfare reform changes that have been brought in at all. So I'm not disagreeing with you

Yes, of course it wasn't your point. But it's my point that the changes implemented have made even the claiming of benefits, access to work being one, so difficult that they may as well not exist in the first place.

The expense in running the benefits system, and catching cheats, far outweighs any savings it makes and merely adds to the longer term social costs. Whatever you feel about lazy ner do wells

Well, we obviously don't agree at all. I'd never refer to "lazy ner do wells" and your point originally was unclear, that's all. Jeez!

I was referring to 'you' in the global sense. I'm sorry you took it personally. Also I'm sorry you don't agree the benefits system is designed to prevent people claiming rather than help.

I globally wouldn't refer to claimants as "lazy ner do wells" -- is that better?

I objected to the use of the phrase that you used, I didn't take it personally.

Your second point makes no sense. You're attempting to put words in my mouth -- just don't, it's silly.

Add I said the 'you' was meant in a global sense, as in anyone. Not you, please don't take it personally.

You told me you didn't agree at all with me. As it was in response to my comment on the benefits system, I'm not sure how else I was supposed to take that other than you don't agree the benefits system hinders rather than helps.

You don't need to try to get personal or make a strawman by trying to turn this back on me. "

I've no idea why you're building an argument, it seems daft. I clarified A2W is still in operation as I simply felt it wasn't clear from your first statement -- you clarified. All good. You threw in a phrase I didn't want to be associated with, I detached myself. You are welcome to use that phrase in whatever way you'd like, I don't like the phrase and do not want to be associated with it, it has made me concerned with my prior statement of agreement with you. It's very clear that was what I was referring to. Let's leave it there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets revolt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might add that was a joke before the govt panic and take me off somewhere in a jumpsuit

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"lets revolt "

Lots here are aleady revolting

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

They are talking about it on question time and one said, if they would tell him this 30 years ago of how it would be today with benefits with the cuts, he wouldnt believe it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't watch any benefits programmes. Why should someone not working get more money per year than someone working full time? And still they claim poverty?

Your argument is the wrong way round.

"How comes our employers can get away with paying people less than the government has decided it costs to live on?""

You're right there. Thank you.

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