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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well is there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is this where everyone puts their names here, or others recommend other profiles?

In answer to you question Dan, I dunno. I guess I'll find out one day.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Yes....... I mean no but on the other hand

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

In the sense of a benevolent being who watches over small children, tiny animals and only sends troubles to test the strong? Nah.

In the sense that we all have a spiritual connection to the world and other people that comes from inside ourselves? I think so, yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Who would win in a fight, Lemmy, or God?'

"Lemmy"

'Wrong! Lemmy IS God'

Brendan Fraser in Airheads answers your question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only during sex when I find god and Jesus usually. With lots of oh's!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this where everyone puts their names here, or others recommend other profiles?

In answer to you question Dan, I dunno. I guess I'll find out one day. "

Yes, to your first point. Hang on....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? "

You are my god, Dan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there?

You are my god, Dan "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a basic human desire to deny our own mortality and to refuse to accept that we have one shot at this. God's and religions facilitate those desires

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For some people believing brings them a comfort especially after losing someone close or when faced with the possibility or inevitably of their own death.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

With miss Argo around .. there is a god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe so

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter "

You're so bitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With miss Argo around .. there is a god "

Oh behave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter. "

I feel it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it "

I want to feel *it* too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hear the name a lot during sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't believe so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex

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That's oh God though .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a goddess, will that do?

Ruby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IMHO, God is man's creation rather than vice versa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? "

Mankind used to believe in many gods.

Nowadays some people believe in just one.

We're getting closer to the truth all the time.

(stolen and paraphrased)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex

That's oh God though . "

True. Are they praying?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it

I want to feel *it* too "

I'll show you *it*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? "

I'm curious as to why you've asked this question Dan?

A bit of attention needed?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"I hear the name a lot during sex

That's oh God though .

True. Are they praying? "

I normally say holy followed by fucking shit balls

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know about God but there definitely isn't a Devil, I'm ripe for picking when it comes to three wishes for my soul!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it

I want to feel *it* too

I'll show you *it* "

A word to the Pennywise, i want to do more than see *it*

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it

I want to feel *it* too

I'll show you *it*

A word to the Pennywise, i want to do more than see *it* "

Oh good god

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it

I want to feel *it* too

I'll show you *it*

A word to the Pennywise, i want to do more than see *it*

Oh good god "

I am GOD!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex

That's oh God though .

True. Are they praying?

I normally say holy followed by fucking shit balls "

That would be a first....I've not hear that prayer before

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it

I want to feel *it* too

I'll show you *it*

A word to the Pennywise, i want to do more than see *it*

Oh good god

I am GOD!!! "

Can I touch you, God?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't even get me started on this one.

Last time I was called bitter

You're so bitter.

I feel it

I want to feel *it* too

I'll show you *it*

A word to the Pennywise, i want to do more than see *it*

Oh good god

I am GOD!!!

Can I touch you, God? "

You can, my child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? "

Yes, Steven Gerrard!

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I'm an agnostic, but I can understand everyone who has a differing opinion to mine. It's just a shame that there are some twats that can't get out of bed in the morning and impose what they believe in on somebody else

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex"

I like being covered in that holy water too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? "

I heard he was a dj if that helps

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive grown up in a non religous family so i lean towards there not being and having studied science to quite a high level i believe there must have been something that put the thing that blew up in the big bang there. If that being is all powerful and omnipresent then there is no evidence for it and so i would say that they arent around

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex

I like being covered in that holy water too. "

Is that what they tell you it is?

Bless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely yes.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Well is there?

I heard he was a dj if that helps"

You're tempting me to put the link up now aren't you (grrrrr)

God Is a Dj

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvVatG16NE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There absolutley isnt a God, but isnt it nice to just believe sometimes?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

She's black

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She's black "

She's allanis morrisette.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex

I like being covered in that holy water too.

Is that what they tell you it is?

Bless "

Yes that's why I dressed as s nun.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Maybe it's batman

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend


"I hear the name a lot during sex

I like being covered in that holy water too.

Is that what they tell you it is?

Bless

Yes that's why I dressed as s nun. "

Oooo unveil your wimple

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

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"There absolutley isnt a God, but isnt it nice to just believe sometimes? "

Egyptian god = build a big stone thingie with a pointy top and hope that some tourists will come and see it several hundreds of years later after you can't be arsed to dig a hole in the ground to bury your dead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hear the name a lot during sex

I like being covered in that holy water too.

Is that what they tell you it is?

Bless

Yes that's why I dressed as s nun. "

That leads to a dirty habit

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"That leads to a dirty habit "

Oi, we'll have Nun of that in here Doc if you don't mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone think today's gods will one day be classed as mythology like the _oman/Greek gods are now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There absolutley isnt a God, but isnt it nice to just believe sometimes?

Egyptian god = build a big stone thingie with a pointy top and hope that some tourists will come and see it several hundreds of years later after you can't be arsed to dig a hole in the ground to bury your dead "

Modern day god = build a big building usually with pointy things on top and come worship me there. If its big enough tourists will visit too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In reality there is no god, it only exists in religions.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

I had the JH knock yesterday

"Morning sir, do you believe in God?"

"Well I believe that possibly there is a God, however I believe everything associated with it all the various books is just made up shit by man to enable him to have power & influence over his fellow man".

The response was "In the book of xyz Jesus says....."

God give me strength

S

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Hmmmm maybe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had the JH knock yesterday

"Morning sir, do you believe in God?"

"Well I believe that possibly there is a God, however I believe everything associated with it all the various books is just made up shit by man to enable him to have power & influence over his fellow man".

The response was "In the book of xyz Jesus says....."

God give me strength

S"

The last time i had them knock i baffled them with science talk that much they left, felt like a victory to me

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"I had the JH knock yesterday

"Morning sir, do you believe in God?"

"Well I believe that possibly there is a God, however I believe everything associated with it all the various books is just made up shit by man to enable him to have power & influence over his fellow man".

The response was "In the book of xyz Jesus says....."

God give me strength

S

The last time i had them knock i baffled them with science talk that much they left, felt like a victory to me"

My dad used to tell them Jesus was just a spaceman

S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely if there were an omnipotent being, and they had the power to prevent suffering in the world, then they would do

As for suffering is a test of faith, that makes no sense. To encourage a belief structure the relief of suffering to the said believers would be a much greater encouragement, and prove to non believers the existence of a deity

The idea that a god would go to the trouble of causing pain and suffering through inactivity seems unlikely at best surely?

(yes...and don't call me Shirley)

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

In the bible it says god created adam and eve .

They had two sons ... kane and able

Who went out and begat a wife each.

Now where did their wives come from

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the bible it says god created adam and eve .

They had two sons ... kane and able

Who went out and begat a wife each.

Now where did their wives come from"

God must have created them in another book. It was a spin off, a bit like agents of shield or something.

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over a year ago


"In the bible it says god created adam and eve .

They had two sons ... kane and able

Who went out and begat a wife each.

Now where did their wives come from"

Spare ribs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This one is up to every individual, I have my opinion but I am keeping it to myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I simply don't know,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? "
yes. He's at old Trafford these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Supposedly so and his names Allah!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? yes. He's at old Trafford these days "

Eric's back?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well is there? yes. He's at old Trafford these days

Eric's back? "
I mean sex God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmm, as a catholic I'd like to think so, but the pain and suffering my sons went through when younger I think he's a sadistic bastard.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"Hmmm, as a catholic I'd like to think so, but the pain and suffering my sons went through when younger I think he's a sadistic bastard. "
" I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours but I think that gods got a sick sense of humour and when I die I expect to find him laughing"...truest lyrics ever!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A proper answer to the question - 'the God as all powerful being in heaven' version I don't believe in. A creative source of the Universe possibly but my only real answer Is I don't know. Does it's possible existence affect how I live my life, not consciously, however my upbringing and religious beliefs of my childhood and youth certainly have and set the conditions for subsequent life decisions. Unpicking and unraveling all of that has been a significant piece of my development as an adult.

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over a year ago


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over a year ago


" Blasphemous Comment Removed by God at 29/03/17 09:09:47]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the sense of a benevolent being who watches over small children, tiny animals and only sends troubles to test the strong? Nah.

In the sense that we all have a spiritual connection to the world and other people that comes from inside ourselves? I think so, yes."

well put..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

If god was real he/she/it would not need people on a swinging website (on an obscure tiny planet in a massive universe) to argue his existence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't be silly! Of course there isn't.

The idea of god(s) is a human construct of the few in order to control the "ignorant" masses.

I can understand how it worked in an unenlightened, primitive work with completely uneducated masses.....but now? Surely we have moved beyond the need for fairy tales?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the sense of a benevolent being who watches over small children, tiny animals and only sends troubles to test the strong? Nah.

In the sense that we all have a spiritual connection to the world and other people that comes from inside ourselves? I think so, yes.

well put.. "

I go along with this one too

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some saw my dick and went, "oh god!"

They kissed and worshipped it!

I guess I'm the god of dick, I exist!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"Hmmm, as a catholic I'd like to think so, but the pain and suffering my sons went through when younger I think he's a sadistic bastard. " I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours but I think that gods got a sick sense of humour and when I die I expect to find him laughing"...truest lyrics ever!!"

"What if God is real but religions one big lie?"

My fave from Everlast.

S

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the bible it says god created adam and eve .

They had two sons ... kane and able

Who went out and begat a wife each.

Now where did their wives come from

God must have created them in another book. It was a spin off, a bit like agents of shield or something. "

I always like to think god had a mate,like perhaps ken?,when he created heaven and earth,like a kind of cosmic subcontractor

Ken,

Hey god what you been up to?

God,

Now then, ken..been creating the cosmos today, am very proud of it!

Check out this new planet called earth,cool eh!

Ken,

Very nice, bit spartan though perhaps, what about some seas,clouds in the sky,that kind of thing?

God,

Sounds good, but I've more things to make, and not really time for window dressing, you fancy having a go?

Ken,

Sure, I'll give it a try, vast oceans,mighty mountain ranges, that okay for you?

God,

Yes, that kind of stuff ken,maybe few life forms,have fun with it.remember though, if you create bottled water, make sure it's filtered through volcanic rock for millions of years, and bottled at source in recycled packaging,oh and don't forget, best before June 2017

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't be silly! Of course there isn't.

The idea of god(s) is a human construct of the few in order to control the "ignorant" masses.

I can understand how it worked in an unenlightened, primitive work with completely uneducated masses.....but now? Surely we have moved beyond the need for fairy tales?"

How arrogant can you get?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It does make me laugh when people say they don't want religion rammmed down their throats yet they feel it ok to call people who do believe silly and uneducated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely if there were an omnipotent being, and they had the power to prevent suffering in the world, then they would do

As for suffering is a test of faith, that makes no sense. To encourage a belief structure the relief of suffering to the said believers would be a much greater encouragement, and prove to non believers the existence of a deity

The idea that a god would go to the trouble of causing pain and suffering through inactivity seems unlikely at best surely?

(yes...and don't call me Shirley)

"

Interesting points.

Like most sensible comments on here most assumptions seem to be based upon no knowledge or past negative experiences unrelated to god but need to blame an outside force rather than own responsibility. ..basic human behaviour really.

Science has been used above... those who know science and laws of nature will know that there is opposites in everything, positive/negative, opposing forces, reactions etc.

So I ask why do so many assume there is no devil and yet assume there is a god?

Maybe there is a god who is good and the devil who is evil and a constant battle going on (which actually is very evident when you see the world we live in, even inside ourselves we have goid and bad tensions going on all the time).

Human nature doesn't like anyone else to be better or more important. If we admit to an ultimate power then we have mentally submitted which is against our nature, so it's easy to deny the existence of any therfore make us the most important. However we don't/ can't cope with full responsibility so we then tend to say there is a being whom we can pass on the blame of bad things (pass ownership) but not credit with the good (retain that for ourselves).

Just to interject some sensibility for those genuinely interested)

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"I simply don't know,,,, "

Only simple people don't know innit sis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I simply don't know,,,,

Only simple people don't know innit sis"

Yup......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It does make me laugh when people say they don't want religion rammmed down their throats yet they feel it ok to call people who do believe silly and uneducated.

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True. The inability to swim beyond the glass bowl.

Akin to the clique, who all immediately deny they're in it and stand together on the matter lol.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury


"Don't be silly! Of course there isn't.

The idea of god(s) is a human construct of the few in order to control the "ignorant" masses.

I can understand how it worked in an unenlightened, primitive work with completely uneducated masses.....but now? Surely we have moved beyond the need for fairy tales?"

Could you pop over to Islamabad and let them know..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't be silly! Of course there isn't.

The idea of god(s) is a human construct of the few in order to control the "ignorant" masses.

I can understand how it worked in an unenlightened, primitive work with completely uneducated masses.....but now? Surely we have moved beyond the need for fairy tales?

How arrogant can you get? "

Oh i think there are posters about to rise to that challenge!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No gods

No masters

No heaven

No hell

No afterlife

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think Putin will let them know in due course

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Could you pop over to Islamabad and let them know.."

Sounds like a plan, tickets are already booked

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see no evidence to support the existence of a God, however the idea provides comfort to many, and so long as they don't want to push it on me, have at it, I say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely if there were an omnipotent being, and they had the power to prevent suffering in the world, then they would do

As for suffering is a test of faith, that makes no sense. To encourage a belief structure the relief of suffering to the said believers would be a much greater encouragement, and prove to non believers the existence of a deity

The idea that a god would go to the trouble of causing pain and suffering through inactivity seems unlikely at best surely?

(yes...and don't call me Shirley)

Interesting points.

Like most sensible comments on here most assumptions seem to be based upon no knowledge or past negative experiences unrelated to god but need to blame an outside force rather than own responsibility. ..basic human behaviour really.

Science has been used above... those who know science and laws of nature will know that there is opposites in everything, positive/negative, opposing forces, reactions etc.

So I ask why do so many assume there is no devil and yet assume there is a god?

Maybe there is a god who is good and the devil who is evil and a constant battle going on (which actually is very evident when you see the world we live in, even inside ourselves we have goid and bad tensions going on all the time).

Human nature doesn't like anyone else to be better or more important. If we admit to an ultimate power then we have mentally submitted which is against our nature, so it's easy to deny the existence of any therfore make us the most important. However we don't/ can't cope with full responsibility so we then tend to say there is a being whom we can pass on the blame of bad things (pass ownership) but not credit with the good (retain that for ourselves).

Just to interject some sensibility for those genuinely interested)"

Cracking comment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No gods

No masters

No heaven

No hell

No afterlife

"

You missed off no smoking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lovecraft has the right idea about deities . Not gods just ancient alien like beings incomprehensible to all mortal life. Beyond good evil right and wrong .

Saying that the world now has the mighty God Emperor Trump

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Why did people from the middle-East need the bible or the Quran etc? Because they didn't have refrigeration, contraception, soap and running water, or a criminal justice system.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

Maybe there is a creator, He created the big bang & is just sitting watching the outcome with not one jot of benevolence or malice, just sitting there letting it all go with the flow making notes, going "Oh wow that's pretty" at some things and thinking "Stupid fckers" when planets destroy each other in some part of the galaxy or other.

Everything that happens here is just us & the various multitudes of different types from the I need to believe, I want there to be more, I need power, mentalities.

S

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over a year ago


" Why did people from the middle-East need the bible or the Quran etc? Because they didn't have refrigeration, contraception, soap and running water, or a criminal justice system. "

Plus, no income tax, no vat,where it all comes from is a mystery, etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science"

Or a cure for weak minds.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

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"Maybe there is a creator, He created the big bang..... "

Slight flaw in that thinking; who created the creator?

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over a year ago


"Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science

Or a cure for weak minds."
exactly. Or an excuse to commit atrocities

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over a year ago


"Maybe there is a creator, He created the big bang.....

Slight flaw in that thinking; who created the creator?"

Exactly, was he created by the chicken or the egg!

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over a year ago


"Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science"

Crap argument.

Science is for those who don't believe in religion or a god.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"Maybe there is a creator, He created the big bang.....

Slight flaw in that thinking; who created the creator?"

Industrial Light & Magic?

S

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

Time is a human invention to give people order. Time is not universal..

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over a year ago


"Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science

Crap argument.

Science is for those who don't believe in religion or a god. "

But if you understand science e.g. physics and chemistry and biology you would know religion is a load of bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God,

Oh and ken,if you create any sentient life, be sure and leave them some kind of instruction manual, call it a booble,or something

Ken,

No worries god,I'll leave a few lying around, like in a dentist waiting room

God,thanks ken,you'll have to create dentists first though?

Ken,leave it with me, do think you need to look in now and again, just to show your face like?

God

Dont think so ken,if you make them clever enough, they'll work it out from themselves

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By *VBethTV/TS
over a year ago

Chester

I think religions mainly exist to soften the fear of death, hence most of them taking you on to eternal blah. The rest was fleshed out (invented) over the centuries because "don't worry about dying, you just go up to the clouds to live forever" didn't make a good book. And of course they have also been used as an excuse for people to be arseholes to each other.

Give me science and the knowledge that I only get one life so let's enjoy it.

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By *eisurepleasureMan
over a year ago

belfast

What do atheists shout when they cum?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science

Crap argument.

Science is for those who don't believe in religion or a god.

But if you understand science e.g. physics and chemistry and biology you would know religion is a load of bollocks "

But just because your science proves facts of existence of man and evolution.It can't prove god doesn't exist or is real. You can't prove it with science. It's still a bad argument.

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over a year ago


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God "

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

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By *omaMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

God is whatever you want it to be . . created by man to ease the fear of death. . by promising eternal life after we leave the 3rd rock from the Sun!

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By *arlock69Man
over a year ago

Batley... (near Leeds)

We are all Gods in are our way...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Of course there isn't.

Religion is for people who can't understand science"

Total two lop lol...sorry but I nearly coughed ( fab stopped me using the normally accepted word for coughing up on a blockage in my throat) on my bacon butty there.

How is that? Just Google a few minutes and interestingly some of the top most respected scientists would disagree.

The thing about science is that it changes as new thing are discovered...Only a small portion of science has never changed...its not that 'constant' that most people assume it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We are all Gods in are our way..."

True indeed.

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

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No untill proven otherwise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is something bigger than all of us yes, call it what you will, Mother Earth, The Cosmos, Devine Energy give it any name that makes you happy but do I believe it's a human form that sits on a cloud watching us, picking who does and doesn't get on the guest list to his party? No!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance? "

If you remove your mind from the constraints of measured time its easy. To another being the big bang to now could be equal in time to no more than a banger going off on Nov 5th. We could all be one big experiment and to an omnipotent being the big bang was the start of their experiment yesterday, just before their lunch. Your whole life or the life oof this planet could be a nanosecond to another.

If we lived on a planet that took 1000 days to get around a slightly bigger sun how old would you be? You'd be the same age you are now by our existing measurement of time, but you'd probs be dead by 40

Time is the killer of free thinking..

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance? "

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God,

Hey ken,have you created something called fabswingers?

Ken,

No, not me God,why?

God,

Well as I've been checking up on this planet that you refurbished for me,I've noticed that there's this thing called a swingers site and nobody seems to believe that I exist!

Ken,

Cheeky buggers!sorry about that, mate, maybe you need to let them know that you do

God,

Well perhaps if i invent something called a female orgasm,they might call our my name in worship,what do you think?

Ken,

Sounds like a plan, I've just invited something called a religion, it's going to get them all to love and care for each other in your name

God,

Thanks ken, don't see what could possibly go wrong with that

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over a year ago

Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

"

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty.

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over a year ago


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that? "

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate.

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over a year ago


"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty. "

Love exists in action to I'd have said. It starts as a thought... then turns into compassion and then a response ( action)

I don't see love as purely a thought. There's different forms of love too. The west has lost alot of its concept as weve tried to answer everything by science. ..not everything can nor will be answered by science....After all its limited by our knowledge and understanding. ...After nd we all Ave different levels and capabilities of knowledge and understanding.

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over a year ago


"Well is there? "

Good god Dan (can I say that). What have you started with such a simple question?

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over a year ago

God,

Hey ken, have you seen this nonsense there writing about me on this fabswingers forum!

Ken,

Yes i have, really sorry about that, these humans seems to have developed into. Cocky buggers, and there ruining your nice clean planet

God.

Too right, do you think we should pull the plug and start again

Ken,

Up to you mate but id do something quick if it were me

God

Don't worry ken,i have got a plan!

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"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that? "

What's illogical is that you seem to be claiming that we subcontracted a god to make the planet for us.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate. "

I think you are misunderstanding what "illogical" means. It means something that is internally contradictory. Thus a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent and yet permits suffering is internally contradictory in that such a God would have the power to prevent suffering, would know how to do it and would want to do it. A God who creates the universe and then takes no further part in it is not contradictory in the same way

As for all suffering being caused by human beings. Earthquake, hurricanes, plague etc etc

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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"Well is there? "

As a concept yes

As suggested by any of the human invented God concepts no xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was, then we were playing chess and i just had enough and smited his ass and sent him down to the pit

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty.

Love exists in action to I'd have said. It starts as a thought... then turns into compassion and then a response ( action)

I don't see love as purely a thought. There's different forms of love too. The west has lost alot of its concept as weve tried to answer everything by science. ..not everything can nor will be answered by science....After all its limited by our knowledge and understanding. ...After nd we all Ave different levels and capabilities of knowledge and understanding."

If I love my partner and go and buy her flowers,the act of buying flowers is an objective external event. The feeling of love exists only in my brain. Thus whilst love can lead to objective acts, love itself is purely subjective.

Thus I might believe God exists and because of this dedicate my life to helping the poor. The latter acts are objective. My belief about God is purely subjective

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"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

What's illogical is that you seem to be claiming that we subcontracted a god to make the planet for us."

God speaking,

I actually subcontracted ken to build it,and your making a mess down there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Science also proves evolution is bollocks. We were put here. Look at how big the universe is?

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over a year ago


"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty. "

I think it's the non religious that expect God to exist objectively like trees, dogs that they can point to.

The bible clearly states that, "God is spirit" and He lives in them that believe in Him.

The only way the early Christians could prove their belief in God and His existence was their visible ACTS of kindness and love.

Love in this sense is not a feeling but a force for doing good to all man.

And of course the religious people don't have monopoly of love - even non religious people do good.

Imagine what the world would be like if we can all love one another. Is that not what Jesus said, "love your neighbour as yourself". That's not a bad thing, is it?

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over a year ago


"Science also proves evolution is bollocks. We were put here. Look at how big the upniverse is?"

Ken speaking,

Don't even think it!

Stay where I bloody well put you!!!

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty.

I think it's the non religious that expect God to exist objectively like trees, dogs that they can point to.

The bible clearly states that, "God is spirit" and He lives in them that believe in Him.

The only way the early Christians could prove their belief in God and His existence was their visible ACTS of kindness and love.

Love in this sense is not a feeling but a force for doing good to all man.

And of course the religious people don't have monopoly of love - even non religious people do good.

Imagine what the world would be like if we can all love one another. Is that not what Jesus said, "love your neighbour as yourself". That's not a bad thing, is it? "

I have no problem with any of that but the logical conclusion to that is that God only exists in the human mind and before human beings existed God did not exist.

I highly doubt many Christians, Muslims, Jews etc would agree with that.

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"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate.

I think you are misunderstanding what "illogical" means. It means something that is internally contradictory. Thus a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent and yet permits suffering is internally contradictory in that such a God would have the power to prevent suffering, would know how to do it and would want to do it. A God who creates the universe and then takes no further part in it is not contradictory in the same way

As for all suffering being caused by human beings. Earthquake, hurricanes, plague etc etc "

Illogical to our human minds maybe, maybe we cannot see a bigger picture.

Sometimes I let my kids learn by experience rather than prevent the incident.... doesn't mean I loved them any less...maybe more so that they learn and don't make a bigger and mistake.

How do you know, god hasn't intervened in many possibly horrendous events... you wouldn't know because you wouldn't have know as they didn't happen. ...just saying.

Science can be illogical at times...I'm sure you wouldn't deny it's existence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This sums up Christianity for me......

Leviticus 15:19- 30

When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. ...

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Well according to your insurance company there is, as they won't pay put for acts of god. There must be a god, if they have acts of god.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them

Giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate.

I think you are misunderstanding what "illogical" means. It means something that is internally contradictory. Thus a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent and yet permits suffering is internally contradictory in that such a God would have the power to prevent suffering, would know how to do it and would want to do it. A God who creates the universe and then takes no further part in it is not contradictory in the same way

As for all suffering being caused by human beings. Earthquake, hurricanes, plague etc etc

Illogical to our human minds maybe, maybe we cannot see a bigger picture.

Sometimes I let my kids learn by experience rather than prevent the incident.... doesn't mean I loved them any less...maybe more so that they learn and don't make a bigger and mistake.

How do you know, god hasn't intervened in many possibly horrendous events... you wouldn't know because you wouldn't have know as they didn't happen. ...just saying.

Science can be illogical at times...I'm sure you wouldn't deny it's existence.

"

The difference between you and God as traditionally conceived is that you are not all powerful and all knowing. Hence you may sometimes need to allow suffering for a greater good. By definition God doesn't.

Lots of innocent people suffer horribly in horrendous events over which they have no control and over which they are not to blame. The logical deduction from that is that there is no being who is good could stop that suffering and wanted to stop it.

Look at it this way : if I saw a small child floundering in a canal with his friends looking on and took no steps to save him because the child dying teaches the other children a valuable lesson about learning to swim you would call me a monster. But that's what religious believers say God is doing when it comes to earthquakes and so on.

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"This sums up Christianity for me......

Leviticus 15:19- 30

When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. ..."

Judaism you meant?

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If there wasnt a God I wouldn't exist

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"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty.

Love exists in action to I'd have said. It starts as a thought... then turns into compassion and then a response ( action)

I don't see love as purely a thought. There's different forms of love too. The west has lost alot of its concept as weve tried to answer everything by science. ..not everything can nor will be answered by science....After all its limited by our knowledge and understanding. ...After nd we all Ave different levels and capabilities of knowledge and understanding.

If I love my partner and go and buy her flowers,the act of buying flowers is an objective external event. The feeling of love exists only in my brain. Thus whilst love can lead to objective acts, love itself is purely subjective.

That is using pure philosophy as it's definition....but that's just one possible definition.

Thus I might believe God exists and because of this dedicate my life to helping the poor. The latter acts are objective. My belief about God is purely subjective "

Couldn't disagree more. Love is most definitely not just subjective.

Some people will argue that because morality is relative, that means there’s no such thing as objective morality. The same may be said for love. This type of morality isn't based upon anything right or wrong it's based upon situation ethics and dare I say it... relative truth very prevalent in this age.

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"This sums up Christianity for me......

Leviticus 15:19- 30

When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. ...

Judaism you meant? "

The Book of Leviticus (/l?'v?t?k?s/; from Greek ?e??t????, Leuitikon — from rabbinic Hebrew torat kohanim[1]) is the third book of the Old Testament from the Bible

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

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"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty.

Love exists in action to I'd have said. It starts as a thought... then turns into compassion and then a response ( action)

I don't see love as purely a thought. There's different forms of love too. The west has lost alot of its concept as weve tried to answer everything by science. ..not everything can nor will be answered by science....After all its limited by our knowledge and understanding. ...After nd we all Ave different levels and capabilities of knowledge and understanding.

If I love my partner and go and buy her flowers,the act of buying flowers is an objective external event. The feeling of love exists only in my brain. Thus whilst love can lead to objective acts, love itself is purely subjective.

That is using pure philosophy as it's definition....but that's just one possible definition.

Thus I might believe God exists and because of this dedicate my life to helping the poor. The latter acts are objective. My belief about God is purely subjective

Couldn't disagree more. Love is most definitely not just subjective.

Some people will argue that because morality is relative, that means there’s no such thing as objective morality. The same may be said for love. This type of morality isn't based upon anything right or wrong it's based upon situation ethics and dare I say it... relative truth very prevalent in this age.

"

My point is that both love and morality are abstract concepts invented by human beings and dependent on human beings for their existence.

When dinosaurs roamed the earth love and morality did not exist as you cannot sensibly talk about those concepts in the absence of human beings. However trees and water existed because those things are independent of human beings.

The distinction is between things that exist even when human beings don't exist and things that can't exist unless there is a human mind thinking about them. If people want to say God exists in the latter sense I would agree. In the former sense I would disagree.

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"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate.

I think you are misunderstanding what "illogical" means. It means something that is internally contradictory. Thus a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent and yet permits suffering is internally contradictory in that such a God would have the power to prevent suffering, would know how to do it and would want to do it. A God who creates the universe and then takes no further part in it is not contradictory in the same way

As for all suffering being caused by human beings. Earthquake, hurricanes, plague etc etc

Illogical to our human minds maybe, maybe we cannot see a bigger picture.

Sometimes I let my kids learn by experience rather than prevent the incident.... doesn't mean I loved them any less...maybe more so that they learn and don't make a bigger and mistake.

How do you know, god hasn't intervened in many possibly horrendous events... you wouldn't know because you wouldn't have know as they didn't happen. ...just saying.

Science can be illogical at times...I'm sure you wouldn't deny it's existence.

The difference between you and God as traditionally conceived is that you are not all powerful and all knowing. Hence you may sometimes need to allow suffering for a greater good. By definition God doesn't.

Lots of innocent people suffer horribly in horrendous events over which they have no control and over which they are not to blame. The logical deduction from that is that there is no being who is good could stop that suffering and wanted to stop it.

Look at it this way : if I saw a small child floundering in a canal with his friends looking on and took no steps to save him because the child dying teaches the other children a valuable lesson about learning to swim you would call me a monster. But that's what religious believers say God is doing when it comes to earthquakes and so on. "

I follow some of your logic...

Two things that come to mind.

Your assumption is that God would think like a man in that response and think preventing is always best. If God is able to see further maybe the earthquake actually prevented something far worse.( I was in Nepal for a few months helping just after the earthquake and was amazed at the good that came out of something so terrible.)

Secondly your assumption don't take into account evil that is at work, if there is a god then there most likely is a devil too. Nor does it consider natural forces and laws of nature.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

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over a year ago

Can an omniscient God, who knows the future, find the omnipotence to change his future mind?

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over a year ago


"Well is there? "

I guess it's what ever gets you through this life maybe. I believe and I'm not religious or anything bit you can see a bit of God in everyone when they do nice things for people

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"Whether we believe God exists or not - we all believe we ought to 'love'.

According to the bible God = Love.

Therefore if Love exists, God exists.

Love exists only as a feeling in human brains. It doesn't exist objectively like trees and dogs. If people say God exists in the same way as love exists then clearly God does exist - as a concept in human brains. However most religious believers want God to exist objectively. That's the difficulty.

Love exists in action to I'd have said. It starts as a thought... then turns into compassion and then a response ( action)

I don't see love as purely a thought. There's different forms of love too. The west has lost alot of its concept as weve tried to answer everything by science. ..not everything can nor will be answered by science....After all its limited by our knowledge and understanding. ...After nd we all Ave different levels and capabilities of knowledge and understanding.

If I love my partner and go and buy her flowers,the act of buying flowers is an objective external event. The feeling of love exists only in my brain. Thus whilst love can lead to objective acts, love itself is purely subjective.

That is using pure philosophy as it's definition....but that's just one possible definition.

Thus I might believe God exists and because of this dedicate my life to helping the poor. The latter acts are objective. My belief about God is purely subjective

Couldn't disagree more. Love is most definitely not just subjective.

Some people will argue that because morality is relative, that means there’s no such thing as objective morality. The same may be said for love. This type of morality isn't based upon anything right or wrong it's based upon situation ethics and dare I say it... relative truth very prevalent in this age.

My point is that both love and morality are abstract concepts invented by human beings and dependent on human beings for their existence.

When dinosaurs roamed the earth love and morality did not exist as you cannot sensibly talk about those concepts in the absence of human beings. However trees and water existed because those things are independent of human beings.

The distinction is between things that exist even when human beings don't exist and things that can't exist unless there is a human mind thinking about them. If people want to say God exists in the latter sense I would agree. In the former sense I would disagree. "

Love is not created by man...its inside it's part of dna.

I've seen animals love responses to their young their own and towards humans. There's lots of scientific evidence to prove that too....

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate.

I think you are misunderstanding what "illogical" means. It means something that is internally contradictory. Thus a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent and yet permits suffering is internally contradictory in that such a God would have the power to prevent suffering, would know how to do it and would want to do it. A God who creates the universe and then takes no further part in it is not contradictory in the same way

As for all suffering being caused by human beings. Earthquake, hurricanes, plague etc etc

Illogical to our human minds maybe, maybe we cannot see a bigger picture.

Sometimes I let my kids learn by experience rather than prevent the incident.... doesn't mean I loved them any less...maybe more so that they learn and don't make a bigger and mistake.

How do you know, god hasn't intervened in many possibly horrendous events... you wouldn't know because you wouldn't have know as they didn't happen. ...just saying.

Science can be illogical at times...I'm sure you wouldn't deny it's existence.

The difference between you and God as traditionally conceived is that you are not all powerful and all knowing. Hence you may sometimes need to allow suffering for a greater good. By definition God doesn't.

Lots of innocent people suffer horribly in horrendous events over which they have no control and over which they are not to blame. The logical deduction from that is that there is no being who is good could stop that suffering and wanted to stop it.

Look at it this way : if I saw a small child floundering in a canal with his friends looking on and took no steps to save him because the child dying teaches the other children a valuable lesson about learning to swim you would call me a monster. But that's what religious believers say God is doing when it comes to earthquakes and so on.

I follow some of your logic...

Two things that come to mind.

Your assumption is that God would think like a man in that response and think preventing is always best. If God is able to see further maybe the earthquake actually prevented something far worse.( I was in Nepal for a few months helping just after the earthquake and was amazed at the good that came out of something so terrible.)

Secondly your assumption don't take into account evil that is at work, if there is a god then there most likely is a devil too. Nor does it consider natural forces and laws of nature."

You're doing the God moves in mysterious ways argument. It's pretty far fetched in my view to suggest that killing small children in earthquakes is for a greater good. A much more rational argument is that there is no God. In any event God is supposed to be all powerful so whatever could he wants to achieved could be achieved without the killing.

On your latter point if you are saying that God has no power over the devil or laws of nature, then yes that sort of God is logically possible. However this is not the Christian Jewish or Muslim God. That God is omnipotent and can do anything.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

For people who believe in one, or several, yes.

It is their god and their belief.

For others, no.

Both are good answers, so long as both respect the belief of the other.

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over a year ago


"If there wasnt a God I wouldn't exist "

Ken,

Er something you'd like to share, God?

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over a year ago


"For people who believe in one, or several, yes.

It is their god and their belief.

For others, no.

Both are good answers, so long as both respect the belief of the other."

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Nope. But that's just my belief.

With how much suffering and misery there is in the world, he/she would have to be one fucked up sadist to let it continue without saying enough is enough. An almighty that just sits back and does nothing is no god.

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"I genuinely can't see how anyone can believe there is a benevolent God who cares for human beings and wants the best for them giving the evidence of massive undeserved suffering I can't see how that is logically possible. I can see how that sort of belief provides comfort and reassurance but still...

A God who created the universe but does not care about people and doesn't interfere in the world is logically possible but people don't seem to want to believe in such a God

How is it logical that someone creates something and then takes no interest in its upkeep and maintenance?

How is it not logical? I ask a builder to build a house for me. He does that. I pay him, take possession of the house and then it's care and maintenance is up to me. The builder never thinks about it again.

What's illogical about that?

1. You were not here before 'god' and so could not nor did not ask him to create you or the universe.

2. The builder is human...don't think god is.

3. Have you asked god to do anything? If so has he?

3. Undeserved suffering? Actually all suffering is created by you and me...not god IMO. I cannot think of one example of any suffering that actually is not caused by man directly or indirectly. (This us what I referenced to early about man not wanting to take responsibility for own actions)

4. There is good at work all around us...can this not be attributed to a higher being who is trying to help where we destroy, kill and plunder the weak or different allowing us to understand the wrong we do when we destroy or plunder?

Just playing devils advocate or is that gods advocate.

I think you are misunderstanding what "illogical" means. It means something that is internally contradictory. Thus a God who is omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent and yet permits suffering is internally contradictory in that such a God would have the power to prevent suffering, would know how to do it and would want to do it. A God who creates the universe and then takes no further part in it is not contradictory in the same way

As for all suffering being caused by human beings. Earthquake, hurricanes, plague etc etc

Illogical to our human minds maybe, maybe we cannot see a bigger picture.

Sometimes I let my kids learn by experience rather than prevent the incident.... doesn't mean I loved them any less...maybe more so that they learn and don't make a bigger and mistake.

How do you know, god hasn't intervened in many possibly horrendous events... you wouldn't know because you wouldn't have know as they didn't happen. ...just saying.

Science can be illogical at times...I'm sure you wouldn't deny it's existence.

The difference between you and God as traditionally conceived is that you are not all powerful and all knowing. Hence you may sometimes need to allow suffering for a greater good. By definition God doesn't.

Lots of innocent people suffer horribly in horrendous events over which they have no control and over which they are not to blame. The logical deduction from that is that there is no being who is good could stop that suffering and wanted to stop it.

Look at it this way : if I saw a small child floundering in a canal with his friends looking on and took no steps to save him because the child dying teaches the other children a valuable lesson about learning to swim you would call me a monster. But that's what religious believers say God is doing when it comes to earthquakes and so on.

I follow some of your logic...

Two things that come to mind.

Your assumption is that God would think like a man in that response and think preventing is always best. If God is able to see further maybe the earthquake actually prevented something far worse.( I was in Nepal for a few months helping just after the earthquake and was amazed at the good that came out of something so terrible.)

Secondly your assumption don't take into account evil that is at work, if there is a god then there most likely is a devil too. Nor does it consider natural forces and laws of nature.

You're doing the God moves in mysterious ways argument. It's pretty far fetched in my view to suggest that killing small children in earthquakes is for a greater good. A much more rational argument is that there is no God. In any event God is supposed to be all powerful so whatever could he wants to achieved could be achieved without the killing.

On your latter point if you are saying that God has no power over the devil or laws of nature, then yes that sort of God is logically possible. However this is not the Christian Jewish or Muslim God. That God is omnipotent and can do anything. "

I'm just trying to ask and look outside the box...We all like logic because of our finite brain though most of us only use 10 -15% of its capacity at best.

God is not human and so maybe logic doesn't work in trying to understand him. It's not denying it actually trying to understand something we can't comprehend. I'm an engineer and science has proven that a bumble bee should not fly...but it can. I've seen it. Mathematics and science have 'proved' that it can't. Which is right?

(This string is too long to continue trying to re scroll down on my phone. If it jumps I have to try and re scroll again. The system for this sucks and I and many others have raised it with admin over the years.)

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"If there wasnt a God I wouldn't exist "

Just slag yer mummy & yer daddy off why not you heathen ffs

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"Well is there? "

Nope.

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By (user no longer on site)
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i never used to think so but as it turns out his son is on fab so yeah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God,

No god indeed,just watch me shut this thread down shortly!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This sums up Christianity for me......

Leviticus 15:19- 30

When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. ...

Judaism you meant?

The Book of Leviticus (/l?'v?t?k?s/; from Greek ?e??t????, Leuitikon — from rabbinic Hebrew torat kohanim[1]) is the third book of the Old Testament from the Bible

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Yes, that is Judaism.

If you want to have issues with Christianity - start from when Jesus was born, the New Testament not before he was born, the Old Testament.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if he does exist he's a bit of a cunt and i renounce him. the company seems much better in hell anyhow

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"i never used to think so but as it turns out his son is on fab so yeah "

Hesus Christy, if I've told you once, I've told a tho.......

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By *rincess peachWoman
over a year ago

shits creek

Can't say I believe there is, but that's the whole point though, what you believe.

I think for some it offers comfort and a coping mechanism when things are looking shitty. Times when you're struggling, hope can be the only thing you have. People are always looking for rhyme and reason, and sometimes it's easier to believe in something than it is to admit things can be pure and simply hard. No reason, no rhyme, just really fucking hard and downright unfair.

I live my life as an honest decent person, even when I'm looking down the barrel I'll still help others where possible. Keeps my conscience clear and I sleep at night (to a certain degree).

Actions and behaviours are the responsibility of the individual. To use religion as an excuse (and it is an excuse) is a way of diminishing ownership of ones behaviour.

Be a good person because you are, be a good person because you want to be.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

When all's said and done, no there isn't

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