FabSwingers.com forum: Transgender in prisons

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Listening to Jeremy vine on R2 & they are discussing the rapist whose been moved to a female prison as they are now living as female.

I find it worrying that a lifer can live as female for two years and give a commitment to stay living as female and they have to move them to a female prison even without any surgery.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ian Huntley is also now claiming he wishes to transition and therefore wants to be moved too.

Bit scary that prisoners with much to gain by moving might also trigger rule changes that affect the treatment of transgender people.

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By *layer oneMan
over a year ago

mirfield

Tell you what should happen is give him the surgery then have him have a taste of his own medicine by a big basterd twice see how he likes it ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should determine where too according to birth, what gender they were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ian Huntley is also now claiming he wishes to transition and therefore wants to be moved too.

Bit scary that prisoners with much to gain by moving might also trigger rule changes that affect the treatment of transgender people.

Probably because is he shit scared of the yorkshire ripper who's moved to his prison and said he hates child killers (cos murdering adults is fine

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

If I went to prison I'd be terrified to be in a male one. Luckily I'm not likely to but I can see the rules changing again to tie up loopholes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should determine where too according to birth, what gender they were."

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

It's a simple case of you can't argue for trans rights to be put in a prison based on the gender they identify and then start demanding separate rules for some cases.

If said people now identify as women, then no matter how vile they are they deserve the same treatment as others..

One however would hope that once transferred they would be put in segregation, much like any other prisoner who is a danger to others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Listening to Jeremy vine on R2 & they are discussing the rapist whose been moved to a female prison as they are now living as female.

I find it worrying that a lifer can live as female for two years and give a commitment to stay living as female and they have to move them to a female prison even without any surgery.

Discuss. "

Without discussing individual cases (no doubt we all have views on what fate should befall Ian Huntley) as a general principle,surgery or a persons physical state is not necessarily a pre requisite for gender transition. A person can transition while in prison and there would be a duty of care for the authorities to treat this correctly.Of course,there would have to be psychiatric evaluations to ensure that a person was genuine and not operating an ulterior motive.

Personally,I find it highly unlikely that anyone would go through this just to get close to women (particularly in a prison setting.

Despite what some may think,gender transition is not an easy route to take in the best of circumastances.Under a regime such as in prison it is probably doubly difficult.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I suppose people will always try to use apparent weaknesses in the system to their advantage.

The effect can only make it more difficult for genuine cases.

I think I better keep behaving within the confines of the law

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon

I dont think it should be allowed in prison. if they've already started the process then fine, but I dont see why IH shound be allowed. hes there as a punishment. feels hes in the wrong body? good. costs enough to keep him as it is.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Someone living as a woman is at serious risk in a male prison - though I can perceive that female prisoners could be at risk from a formerly male rapist. Should obviously be in a very controlled area, though don't know how secure we make them. Everyone's safety is a priority, including hers.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

OP, if it is the one in the news today, I think it isn't actually like that.

The prisoner was already serving life for r@ping two under-age girls. He then had an NHS funded sex change whilst in prison and was then moved to a female prison.

MrB

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Castration.

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

I hate to say it but who are you to judge?

How do you know they are not actually trans?

There past was due to anger and not being right.... Maybe thats where it stems from...

I'm just chucking it out there- I think everyone deserves equal rights and I believe people can and do change

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, if it is the one in the news today, I think it isn't actually like that.

The prisoner was already serving life for r@ping two under-age girls. He then had an NHS funded sex change whilst in prison and was then moved to a female prison.

MrB"

Yes. I believe you're right.

The vine show talked about that case but in the process they said you didn't need to have had surgery to get this special treatment. Just be committed to living as your new gender.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I hate to say it but who are you to judge?

How do you know they are not actually trans?

There past was due to anger and not being right.... Maybe thats where it stems from...

I'm just chucking it out there- I think everyone deserves equal rights and I believe people can and do change

Do you mean me?

I'm not judging just commenting that the system could be open to abuse and if abused could see the rules changed in a way that could make trans people stay in a prison unsuitable for their gender.

I'm not passing judgement on cases.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"OP, if it is the one in the news today, I think it isn't actually like that.

The prisoner was already serving life for r@ping two under-age girls. He then had an NHS funded sex change whilst in prison and was then moved to a female prison.

MrB

Yes. I believe you're right.

The vine show talked about that case but in the process they said you didn't need to have had surgery to get this special treatment. Just be committed to living as your new gender. "

In my mind, there are 2 very different scenarios.

The first is about people who are already living as a particular gender and can suffer horrendous persecution in jail as a result. Big news stories highlighted sad cases of that.

The second, is like the one in the news today. That man sexually attacked 2 girls and was sentenced to life. Once inside he has decided he wanted the surgery which has been paid for by the NHS. He has then been moved to a female jail.

There has been an outcry by his victims families and support groups.

I think the two types of cases shouldn't be mixed, as lots of people people will be very sympathetic to the first type and very angry about the second.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?"

Schools are slowly catching up. It's not your fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?"
Yes and in sweden there is a new term called hen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

Schools are slowly catching up. It's not your fault. "

Oh right i must read up on male and female genitalia and find who has what.....thanks

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

According to BBC he wrote in a prison newspaper 10 years ago he wanted to have a sex change, so not quick (I guess?). Perhaps the process would have been quicker if they had let his victims do the procedure??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

Schools are slowly catching up. It's not your fault.

Oh right i must read up on male and female genitalia and find who has what.....thanks

Lol. I see what you're digging at but it really isn't that simple.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

Ooo. Ouch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

If its paris green then he was a murderer he and 2 other guys tortured then murdered a man

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

If its paris green then he was a murderer he and 2 other guys tortured then murdered a man"

No, on BBC news today, Martin Ponting. R@ped two girls, so wasn't a female then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

If its paris green then he was a murderer he and 2 other guys tortured then murdered a man

No, on BBC news today, Martin Ponting. R@ped two girls, so wasn't a female then."

Ahhh i see,i will google it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, if it is the one in the news today, I think it isn't actually like that.

The prisoner was already serving life for r@ping two under-age girls. He then had an NHS funded sex change whilst in prison and was then moved to a female prison.

MrB

Yes. I believe you're right.

The vine show talked about that case but in the process they said you didn't need to have had surgery to get this special treatment. Just be committed to living as your new gender.

In my mind, there are 2 very different scenarios.

The first is about people who are already living as a particular gender and can suffer horrendous persecution in jail as a result. Big news stories highlighted sad cases of that.

There has been an outcry by his victims families and support groups.

I think the two types of cases shouldn't be mixed, as lots of people people will be very sympathetic to the first type and very angry about the second."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

Stretch inside haha ouch!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?"

You probably didn't miss anything but you were probably not told the full story either.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'd be interested to see how long it took for the transition process in prison compared to outside.

It's a very long waiting list on this side of the wall.

It might be worth a stretch inside

Stretch inside haha ouch!!"

Boom boom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No person in a prison in an enlightened country like ours should have their medical needs disregarded.

If someone claims to be suffering from gender dysphoria (which is recognised by the medical profession as a genuine issue) then that issue should be investigated and treated.

Having discussed similar matters with specialists in this field,I can tell you that you would not be able to pull the wool over their eyes,they can suss a fake.

The cost to the taxpayer is no different than it would be if the prisoner had undergone treatment on the outside ( unless they went private,of course),they would be sent for treatment via the NHS.The prison medics wouldn't do the surgery.

For what it's worth,my opinion is that a child killer,seeking some kind of sanctuary in a womens prison would have their eyes opened pretty quickly with a short sharp lesson in the power of maternal instinct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep them in solitary then they are not threatened or a threat to anyone, I'm sure a nice orange boiler suit would be classed as unisex, they wouldn't need to share a bathroom and the only guards they would need to interact with could call them whatever name they chose. Simple

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"No person in a prison in an enlightened country like ours should have their medical needs disregarded.

If someone claims to be suffering from gender dysphoria (which is recognised by the medical profession as a genuine issue) then that issue should be investigated and treated.

Having discussed similar matters with specialists in this field,I can tell you that you would not be able to pull the wool over their eyes,they can suss a fake.

I'm sorry, but I don't share your sympathy of this mans needs.

After what he has done, and our inability to care for other deserving cases in society, he shouldn't be even in the queue.

Basic healthcare yes, anything else no.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No person in a prison in an enlightened country like ours should have their medical needs disregarded.

If someone claims to be suffering from gender dysphoria (which is recognised by the medical profession as a genuine issue) then that issue should be investigated and treated.

Having discussed similar matters with specialists in this field,I can tell you that you would not be able to pull the wool over their eyes,they can suss a fake.

I'm sorry, but I don't share your sympathy of this mans needs.

After what he has done, and our inability to care for other deserving cases in society, he shouldn't be even in the queue.

Basic healthcare yes, anything else no."

If it is Huntly we are talking about,I can assure you I have very little sympathy.I was just talking in general terms,yes prisoners have the right to healthcare,no one is sentenced to solitary confinement or to have their healthcare disregarded.As to whether it is considered worthy to treat gender transition,in many cases the damage this condition does to a person is as serious and as real as many other conditions.No doubt it does cost money to treat people's health in prison but,how much more would it cost in compensation for people whose conditions were ignored? And what kind of society would it be that didn't take care of the health and well being of everyone,even prisoners? Not one that I'd want to live in.

I don't believe that prisoners are given favourable treatment or allowed to jump the queue,that definitely would not be right.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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the women will fuck him up more than the men ever could.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm sorry, but I don't share your sympathy of this mans needs.

After what he has done, and our inability to care for other deserving cases in society, he shouldn't be even in the queue.

Basic healthcare yes, anything else no.

I don't believe that prisoners are given favourable treatment or allowed to jump the queue,that definitely would not be right."

My comment was really on the guy in the news today, which sparked the thread. Rapist of 2 girls, has subsequently had a sex change in prison .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry, but I don't share your sympathy of this mans needs.

After what he has done, and our inability to care for other deserving cases in society, he shouldn't be even in the queue.

Basic healthcare yes, anything else no.

I don't believe that prisoners are given favourable treatment or allowed to jump the queue,that definitely would not be right.

My comment was really on the guy in the news today, which sparked the thread. Rapist of 2 girls, has subsequently had a sex change in prison .

I feel just as unsympathetic towards this person but, my point still stands that in a civilised society, even low life scum bags have the right to have their medical needs treated while in prison.

Whether they were ill when sentenced,became ill in jail or an underlying condition came to light should make no difference.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo."

I have a tendency to pretty much agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo."

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?"

How is it lifesaving?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?"

I guess you could argue a gastric band is life saving. But I'm tempted to say "hey, stop eating soo much."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?"

It can be,if it's the only thing standing between a person and suicide.That is the purpose of the psychiatric evaluations,to determine whether a person 'wants' the treatment or genuinely 'needs' it. Not everybody who asks for it is passed through the system,there is much more to it than just turning up and demanding it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?

I guess you could argue a gastric band is life saving. But I'm tempted to say "hey, stop eating soo much.""

I'm sure all options would be considered and the most effective used.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?"

At 18 I was parked outside A&E trying to build up the courage to damage my bits enough with a Stanley knife that they'd have to remove it.... if I'd known surgery was possible I wouldn't have been that desperate I guess.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?

Ok I'm down with that. Castrate the rapist for free. He can pay for the rest when he gets out.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?

I can't begin to imagine what people in that situation must go through.

But, those thoughts go out of the window in this instance for a man on a life sentence, who has done what he has done. In particular when victims don't get the support they need because of funding, and when other medical cases don't get dealt with because of funding.

Sorry, but he doesn't feature on my list of people to support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?

Quite possibly they would have wanted to treat the propensity to self harm before any gender issues.Iwould not advise anyone feeling the need to seek treatment to try methods that could be seen as co ercion.Apart from anything else,the blood loss from cutting your penis off may mean you wouldn't even make it inside the A*E

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I'm sorry Mr Fanfango the NHS can't afford your knee replacements, too many sex offenders are on HRT."

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?

I didn't. Partly because I thought I'd bleed to death before I got help and partly because I was scared they'd just fix it

And I was scared it'd hurt

I've come to terms with lots since then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""I'm sorry Mr Fanfango the NHS can't afford your knee replacements, too many sex offenders are on HRT." "

I wonder how many prisoners are on HRT,I don't have to wonder how much it costs though,I pay roughly a tenner a month and my souce is more expensive than NHS.Not enough to fund your knee surgery,I'm afraid.

So far,how mant prisoners have undergone GRS while in custody? It cost around 15,000. It's not cheap,sure but we are not really talking about bankrupting the country here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont know were folks are getting the idea that Trans suffer terrible persecution in Jail....They dont

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dont know were folks are getting the idea that Trans suffer terrible persecution in Jail....They dont"

But rapists and kiddy fiddlers do,

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?"

Yeah it seems you did... People with both, people with one then the other, people with neither, man with vagina, woman with penis.

Probably every variation you can think of

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By *obin_and_marionMan
over a year ago

Beaconsfield

"Dont know were folks are getting the idea that Trans suffer terrible persecution in Jail....They dont"

They are among the highest suicide rates

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

Yeah it seems you did... People with both, people with one then the other, people with neither, man with vagina, woman with penis.

Probably every variation you can think of "

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

""I'm sorry Mr Fanfango the NHS can't afford your knee replacements, too many sex offenders are on HRT."

So far,how mant prisoners have undergone GRS while in custody? It cost around 15,000. It's not cheap,sure but we are not really talking about bankrupting the country here."

No, even as a one-off it is wasted money. It sets a scene of pandering these vilest of offenders, when other crucial services are facing austerity cuts. Also what is the effect on the victims, what about the help and support they need?

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By *vadownMan
over a year ago

Wickham

Unfortunately I have no sympathy for child killers like IH suffering with mental stress through gender identity,tough.. suffer like the parents of the children you murdered. I hate the cunt they should have cut his throat and lobbed him in a ditch as an example.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Dont know were folks are getting the idea that Trans suffer terrible persecution in Jail....They dont

But rapists and kiddy fiddlers do,"

long may it continue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another loophole for scum to fall into

Same as " finding god "

If you still have your bits..

You should be in a male jail

Too many jails are softly softly...

Sorry but you've committed a serious offence

Screw your preferences

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now"

Haha they do.

We were in Thaland on holiday a while back. As our taxi slowly passed a Ladyboy bar, I started trying to explain the 'women' standing outside to my 13 year old daughter. She cut me short with 'You mean they are transgender' .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Dont know were folks are getting the idea that Trans suffer terrible persecution in Jail....They dont

They are among the highest suicide rates"

Maybe so, but its not because of other Cons...

I know what I am speaking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should determine where too according to birth, what gender they were.

I don't agree with this at all. My view is that anyone born male but genuinely living as a woman, at any point in the transition process, should be put in a woman's prison. In the case of someone already incarcerated like Ian Huntley, surely psychological assessments could establish if he's bullshitting for an easy ride? I also think anyone in his position whose crime involved hurting women shouldn't be allowed near women, regardless of any proposed transition. It's a messy situation, I guess they can only assess each case individually. "
"psychological assessments could establish if he's bullshitting or not" Yeah fucking right those sort of assessments are just tests do you know how many serial killers get past questioning time and again and don't get charged, lots is the answer to that and they fool lie detectors. Anyone with the will and ability can pass those assessments looking like pete burns.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Another loophole for scum to fall into

Same as " finding god "

If you still have your bits..

You should be in a male jail

Too many jails are softly softly...

Sorry but you've committed a serious offence

Screw your preferences "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine it someone kills your child, parents or girlfriend and then hear they are moving to a female wing. I bet you'd be really pleased for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

I don't support or empathise with any killers/rapists etc, but the attitude of some towards trans people on this thread is shocking. Taking the criminal aspect out of it, the lack of understanding and respect towards anyone with gender issues is awful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

But then again, those born with only two brain cells will always be stupid; so kinda balances out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

I get that, but some comments have been along the lines of "you're a man if you're born with a penis, no exceptions". There's really no excuse for that kind of ignorance, there'll be perfectly innocent trans fabbers reading that."
I don't think you'll find the people behind those comments making excuses for them so best to leave them to it or else they'll just make worse comments because it's upsetting people and that's the goal.

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By *eliciousladyWoman
over a year ago

Sometimes U.K

"the women will fuck him up more than the men ever could."

Do you really think so? I very much doubt it..

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

Transphobia is rife because of narrow minded outdated values and bigotry.It's good to hear that education is moving with the times.Smartarse comments about missing something in biology only goes to show that some people's attitudes will always be stuck in a different generation.This has no bearing about what I think about child killers but more to do with how transgendered people are regarded in society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the women will fuck him up more than the men ever could.

Do you really think so? I very much doubt it.."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

Say that when a transgender male kills someone belonging to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether or not GRS should be available on the NHS (to those evaluated to NEED it) is not really an issue,I'm sure we all agree that the NHS 'should' be able to help all those in NEED of all kinds of help.The fact that the Gender Identity Clinics have up to 3 year waiting lists for a first appointment is proof that they don't just dish out 'sex change' operations at the drop of a hat. I believe there is only one surgeon in the UK currently doing NHS GRS.

Even someone in jail would have to go through the same system,in fact it would probably take longer for them to even get a referral to a clinic (they'd probably have to convince a sceptical prison GP first). If they were just trying it on for an easier life,they just wouldn't get anywhere.Someone,somewhere is evaluating these people at every step of the process.

All along,I have just argued that even prisoners should have their medical needs treated,if this is their need then so be it but the stringent criteria should still have to be met. I've also never argued that rapists and paedo's should get an easy time in jail.I certainly didn't shed a tear when it was reported that Huntly had been given a kicking or when Sutcliffe got stabbed in the eye. I wouldn't condone it but I wouldn't protest it either.Anyway,treatment of this nature is not the preserve of killers and sex offenders,the same goes for anyone in genuine NEED.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

Say that when a transgender male kills someone belonging to you

Say what when a trans person kills someone? That every other trans person deserves to be disrespected because of it?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Whether or not GRS should be available on the NHS (to those evaluated to NEED it) is not really an issue,I'm sure we all agree that the NHS 'should' be able to help all those in NEED of all kinds of help.The fact that the Gender Identity Clinics have up to 3 year waiting lists for a first appointment is proof that they don't just dish out 'sex change' operations at the drop of a hat. I believe there is only one surgeon in the UK currently doing NHS GRS.

And those who think that a woman of any kind would have it easier in a women's prison seriously need to get a reality check. On a visit to a female prison (not as a inmate!), some of the women there would give most of the guys over here nightmares

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should determine where too according to birth, what gender they were.

I don't agree with this at all. My view is that anyone born male but genuinely living as a woman, at any point in the transition process, should be put in a woman's prison. In the case of someone already incarcerated like Ian Huntley, surely psychological assessments could establish if he's bullshitting for an easy ride? I also think anyone in his position whose crime involved hurting women shouldn't be allowed near women, regardless of any proposed transition. It's a messy situation, I guess they can only assess each case individually. "psychological assessments could establish if he's bullshitting or not" Yeah fucking right those sort of assessments are just tests do you know how many serial killers get past questioning time and again and don't get charged, lots is the answer to that and they fool lie detectors. Anyone with the will and ability can pass those assessments looking like pete burns. "

Having gone through years of psychological testing I can assure you that they are not just rubber stamp excercises.Even when you are a paying,private patient you are met with scepticism at evey step.It's really not as easy as some seem to believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Yeah I'm sure but generally women are less angry than men, GENERALLY. NOT ALWAYS AND ESPECIALLY NOT IN PRISON I'M SURE THAT'S LOTS OF ANGRY NUTJOB FACE KICKING WOMEN IN PRISON TOO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I'm sure but generally women are less angry than men, GENERALLY. NOT ALWAYS AND ESPECIALLY NOT IN PRISON I'M SURE THAT'S LOTS OF ANGRY NUTJOB FACE KICKING WOMEN IN PRISON TOO."

Fuck that shouting hurt my ears and eyes

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Every one will love me(not) for saying give Huntley a rope..

The only reason I would be happy to leave Europe is this stupid human rights rule for prisoners who lost any rights when they took people's lives.

No doubt if he were allowed to mix with others they would be very happy to demasculate him without anaesthetic.

No he shouldnt get a sex change on NHS.Leave him where he is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I'm sure but generally women are less angry than men, GENERALLY. NOT ALWAYS AND ESPECIALLY NOT IN PRISON I'M SURE THAT'S LOTS OF ANGRY NUTJOB FACE KICKING WOMEN IN PRISON TOO.

Fuck that shouting hurt my ears and eyes

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yiu got to make sure people understand your point otherwise you end up arguing the toss for an hour and usually go down a tangent where your not even arguing about the original misunderstanding

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

I'm OK with them getting it, the hormones for years, the ops etc. But they wait in the que with everyone else for it all.

& they don't get moved till they are done & dusted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

Say that when a transgender male kills someone belonging to you

Say what when a trans person kills someone? That every other trans person deserves to be disrespected because of it? "
where did I say that?

I said if a male still has his bits he should go to a male prison...if she has had surgery...she goes to a female prison..if your male and your in said jail and decided you want surgery...wait until your free...your in jail for a reason...I as a tax payer is paying you being there ...I ain't paying for you to have an op that's non emergency

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah I'm sure but generally women are less angry than men, GENERALLY. NOT ALWAYS AND ESPECIALLY NOT IN PRISON I'M SURE THAT'S LOTS OF ANGRY NUTJOB FACE KICKING WOMEN IN PRISON TOO."

It's possibly due to lower testosterone levels that women are often less prone to angry,violent outbursts.There could be some practical benefits to giving HRT to some prisoners. (there is another way of reducing testosterone dramatically and in the case of rapists and paedo's,I din't think it should be ruled out).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now

Haha they do.

Yep, my kids are fully aware of trans people, and that both gender and sexuality aren't black and white.

Say that when a transgender male kills someone belonging to you

Say what when a trans person kills someone? That every other trans person deserves to be disrespected because of it? where did I say that?

Which is all very nice but not at all relevant in response to the comments I made, hence why i asked what you meant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What was the question?

How did I offend all trans folk?

I don't think I did

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By *ickstributerMan
over a year ago

Ocala/Belleview/mayo

"Tell you what should happen is give him the surgery then have him have a taste of his own medicine by a big basterd twice see how he likes it .."

... This!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

Yeah it seems you did... People with both, people with one then the other, people with neither, man with vagina, woman with penis.

Probably every variation you can think of

No i didnt miss anything,shools never talked about men with vaginas or women with dicks,i doubt if they do now"

It's just that your school biology was basic. Gender is more complicated than that - many animals are not diecious, and many more can change gender according to environemtal factors stimulating the production of certain homones in the body. I'm certain that a human who had chnages to their hormonal balance (for a myriad of reasons) might not feel that they are the gender tat they were born into.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What was the question?

How did I offend all trans folk?

I don't think I did

Yeah you're still not understanding much. Never mind.

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

lancashire

"Listening to Jeremy vine on R2 & they are discussing the rapist whose been moved to a female prison as they are now living as female.

I find it worrying that a lifer can live as female for two years and give a commitment to stay living as female and they have to move them to a female prison even without any surgery.

Discuss. "

Does not matter if you live as female for 2 years and apply and are successful you are granted a GRC. In effect you birth certificate is changed to female. That's if your born in the uk. For me it was different all I needed was a letter from my gp and parents and to fly back to Canada pay then $80 dollars sit around for 45 minutes and done. That's Canada and varies from state to state apparently Norway is even easier.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"Every one will love me(not) for saying give Huntley a rope..

The only reason I would be happy to leave Europe is this stupid human rights rule for prisoners who lost any rights when they took people's lives.

No doubt if he were allowed to mix with others they would be very happy to demasculate him without anaesthetic.

No he shouldnt get a sex change on NHS.Leave him where he is

Tt was Dostoyevsky who said: "The degree of civilisation in a society is revealed by entering its prisons."

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Ian Huntley is also now claiming he wishes to transition and therefore wants to be moved too.

Bit scary that prisoners with much to gain by moving might also trigger rule changes that affect the treatment of transgender people.

I think he would think twice once the women get hold of him, always said the best punishment a rapist can have is set a bunch of women onto them. There wont be much left afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hmmm,every tv on here claims to be transsexual,,no surgery,,no hormones,,i really don't know,,lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ian Huntley is also now claiming he wishes to transition and therefore wants to be moved too.

Bit scary that prisoners with much to gain by moving might also trigger rule changes that affect the treatment of transgender people.

I think he would think twice once the women get hold of him, always said the best punishment a rapist can have is set a bunch of women onto them. There wont be much left afterwards. "

lol,,yea shoot the prick,,prison waste of money on a scumbag like that

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?"

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues. "

Not when i wss in school they didnt

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues. "

I remember doing a thing about clownfish, they change sex from Male to female. The female being the dominant member of the social group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt"

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?"

has it?,,i hope so

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt"

Things change, if people don't change with them it could be considered kind of ignorant.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so"

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance. "

oh I agree,who on earth would,nt

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance. "

And maths

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

oh I agree,who on earth would,nt"

but hey human beings are strange creatures,,some of the most bigoted people ive met have been transgendered,jewish,,gay,,etc,,its a mad world

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo."

Isn't all surgery, elective? I would hope that the patient's consent is absolutely necessary before they cut one open

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ust Us TogetherCouple
over a year ago

Newport

All males that r@pe women should be put in a women's prison.....

(system won't let me spell the word in the message??)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"All males that r@pe women should be put in a women's prison.....

(system won't let me spell the word in the message??)

There's some words fab won't allow you to use.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Imagine it someone kills your child, parents or girlfriend and then hear they are moving to a female wing. I bet you'd be really pleased for them."

So long as they are still on prison what does it matter if its in the female estate or male (you don't get female 'wings', male and female offenders are kept in separate estates)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

There are some woefully moronic and ignorant posts on this thread on both sides of the argument.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont"

And an education is all about becoming a wage-slave

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont"

Use a lot of quadratic equations and the contextual analysis of the works of Keats in your job do you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont

Use a lot of quadratic equations and the contextual analysis of the works of Keats in your job do you? "

Yes,next question

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont

Use a lot of quadratic equations and the contextual analysis of the works of Keats in your job do you?

Yes,next question"

"Hey Brian, can you properly track Tyne trajectory and velocity of this tennis ball, while also fully explaining just how it feels?"

You have a wacky job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont

Use a lot of quadratic equations and the contextual analysis of the works of Keats in your job do you?

Yes,next question

"Hey Brian, can you properly track Tyne trajectory and velocity of this tennis ball, while also fully explaining just how it feels?"

You have a wacky job.

Im a wacky person

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Man-penis,woman-vagina,or did i miss something in biology at school?

They don't usually cover much detail - or any at all - about transgender related issues.

Not when i wss in school they didnt

It's good that education has moved on to incorporate advances in knowledge and understanding,wouldn't you agree?

has it?,,i hope so

I can confirm that at my school all aspects of gender are discussed and no topic is taboo. The only things the youth of today need to be taught is respect, consent, compassion and acceptance.

And maths

And English

English and maths will help them get a job,knowing about transgender people probably wont

Use a lot of quadratic equations and the contextual analysis of the works of Keats in your job do you?

Yes,next question

"Hey Brian, can you properly track Tyne trajectory and velocity of this tennis ball, while also fully explaining just how it feels?"

You have a wacky job.

Im a wacky person"

Totally in agreement

Whilst back on planet Earth .....

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

i heard it and it made me angry ..this monster isnt transgender .

hes having a laugh at the tax payers expense.

if ,as he claims he's a woman inside his head , he wdnt have done what i he did..hes the justa nasty shit thats now in a womans prison. they shuda just chopped hes cock off and left him in the mans prison..

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

He's trans. Give him the surgery. Next.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With the likes of IH, he's evil and manipulative, therefore he probably thinks he can fool people into getting his own way. He's picked on a subject that's highly emotive and surrounded in political correctness, whilst transgender people are labeled as such; instead of just being Dave or Jane or whatever their name may be others will abuse the term and cast doubt or misunderstanding on any genuine transgender people.

However, in my humble opinion, these criminals should be given nothing but basic health care and counselling where appropriate, it's bad enough that IH will be a burden on the tax payer until the day he dies, without giving him anything else.

Ginger

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

What puzzles me is why when someone isn't a trans-woman, would want life-changing surgery. If they are really male, then wouldn't the consequences be disastrous for them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What puzzles me is why when someone isn't a trans-woman, would want life-changing surgery. If they are really male, then wouldn't the consequences be disastrous for them?"

They said on the radio that they don't need surgery or even take hormones to be treated as female. Just live as such and make a commitment to continue to do so.

I guess it work the other way round too for female to male.

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By *hickennchipsWoman
over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Born a man then ur a man that's what I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question is do you punish the majority to prevent a few that misuse it

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"What puzzles me is why when someone isn't a trans-woman, would want life-changing surgery. If they are really male, then wouldn't the consequences be disastrous for them?

They said on the radio that they don't need surgery or even take hormones to be treated as female. Just live as such and make a commitment to continue to do so.

I guess it work the other way round too for female to male. "

Whilst I am respectful of the feelings and rights of TG folk, I also want my feelings and rights to be protected

I do not want a person, who still has a male body, entering the female changing room in my gym and stripping naked in front of us. That does happen in my gym as there is such a TG person. However, the law states that they are female. Oh, well, I guess I and any other woman who does not agree with the law, can leave and find another gym

I would want that even less, if for whatever reason, I was locked up in prison with no way of avoiding them in the showers and other common areas

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"i heard it and it made me angry ..this monster isnt transgender .

hes having a laugh at the tax payers expense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without reading the thread...

Simple solution = the "good news is we expedited your surgery and will be removing your penis thus afternoon" test to see if they are bluffing

True psychopaths can be wonderful liars

Being cynical... It's a brilliant trick to pull off, play the system to get either (relative) safety or access to women

Maybe they are genuine... Who knows

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Without reading the thread...

Simple solution = the "good news is we expedited your surgery and will be removing your penis thus afternoon" test to see if they are bluffing

True psychopaths can be wonderful liars

Being cynical... It's a brilliant trick to pull off, play the system to get either (relative) safety or access to women

Maybe they are genuine... Who knows

Won't work

All that is needed is a frock. Or maybe, that is not needed either

I could stand up tomorrow and state that I am a bloke as I feel like one, am attracted to women and can swap two tyres on my car to obtain an even wear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an obvious stunt in my opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so,,,,,

are there tranny prisons?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so,,,,,

are there tranny prisons?

That's probably a smarter solution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so,,,,,

are there tranny prisons?

That's probably a smarter solution "

a what?

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

"Listening to Jeremy vine on R2 & they are discussing the rapist whose been moved to a female prison as they are now living as female.

I find it worrying that a lifer can live as female for two years and give a commitment to stay living as female and they have to move them to a female prison even without any surgery.

Discuss. "
Another case of extreme liberalism taking the piss

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"so,,,,,

are there tranny prisons?

That's probably a smarter solution "

I doubt that there are many inmates who would, as the present law stands, qualify for one

Your earlier solution was smarter as that would put the fear of God into any guy. But as the law stands, as explained earlier by Rachael, they don't require surgery or even any medication; just a statement to the effect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

slap me n I,ll get you in the showers biatch

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

slap me n I,ll get you in the showers biatch

You seen my strap-on, girl? Don't be so sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

Do you think I could be a warder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

slap me n I,ll get you in the showers biatch

You seen my strap-on, girl? Don't be so sure

pah,,I don't do strapons,,lol

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

slap me n I,ll get you in the showers biatch

You seen my strap-on, girl? Don't be so sure

pah,,I don't do strapons,,lol

But I do

Especially with girls like you who are smart-arses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"oooh I wonder what the uniform would look like in a tranny prison

F**k the uniforms; I wonder who will be given the contracts for the supply of 'slap'

slap me n I,ll get you in the showers biatch

You seen my strap-on, girl? Don't be so sure

pah,,I don't do strapons,,lol

But I do

Especially with girls like you who are smart-arses

smart arse?,,oh fanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What puzzles me is why when someone isn't a trans-woman, would want life-changing surgery. If they are really male, then wouldn't the consequences be disastrous for them?

They said on the radio that they don't need surgery or even take hormones to be treated as female. Just live as such and make a commitment to continue to do so.

I guess it work the other way round too for female to male.

Whilst I am respectful of the feelings and rights of TG folk, I also want my feelings and rights to be protected

I would want that even less, if for whatever reason, I was locked up in prison with no way of avoiding them in the showers and other common areas "

I was once asked on another site,what use a GRC is.I said it's useful for placing over their lap in the changing room. I am now banned for life from that site. That's the trouble with that lot,they just won't accept anyone elses point of view,see things from any other angle.A lot of women don't want to be confronted with a penis in the changing room but their opinion no longer counts.Unfortunately.

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over a year ago

"What puzzles me is why when someone isn't a trans-woman, would want life-changing surgery. If they are really male, then wouldn't the consequences be disastrous for them?

They said on the radio that they don't need surgery or even take hormones to be treated as female. Just live as such and make a commitment to continue to do so.

I guess it work the other way round too for female to male.

Whilst I am respectful of the feelings and rights of TG folk, I also want my feelings and rights to be protected

I would want that even less, if for whatever reason, I was locked up in prison with no way of avoiding them in the showers and other common areas

Who's 'that lot'

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"What puzzles me is why when someone isn't a trans-woman, would want life-changing surgery. If they are really male, then wouldn't the consequences be disastrous for them?

They said on the radio that they don't need surgery or even take hormones to be treated as female. Just live as such and make a commitment to continue to do so.

I guess it work the other way round too for female to male.

Whilst I am respectful of the feelings and rights of TG folk, I also want my feelings and rights to be protected

I would want that even less, if for whatever reason, I was locked up in prison with no way of avoiding them in the showers and other common areas

A lot of white people didn't want black people using their gyms either.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

A man posing as transgender to obtain access to a women's gym should be banned because they're a creep. Women being creepy in gyms should also be banned. Transgendered people being creepy should also be banned. In fact anyone who can't handle abiding by the law and respecting other's boundaries has no place in a gym.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Elective surgery such as this shouldn't be available on the NHS anyway. Imo.

If it's life saving,can it be considered elective?

How is it lifesaving?

Ok I'm down with that. Castrate the rapist for free. He can pay for the rest when he gets out."

That seems like a reasonable compromise.

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

lancashire

"hmmm,every tv on here claims to be transsexual,,no surgery,,no hormones,,i really don't know,,lol"

if you are gonna insult others, at least be creative. After all your bra has more stuffing than a build-a-bear workshop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hmmm,every tv on here claims to be transsexual,,no surgery,,no hormones,,i really don't know,,lol

if you are gonna insult others, at least be creative. After all your bra has more stuffing than a build-a-bear workshop."

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

lancashire

"hmmm,every tv on here claims to be transsexual,,no surgery,,no hormones,,i really don't know,,lol

if you are gonna insult others, at least be creative. After all your bra has more stuffing than a build-a-bear workshop.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox. "

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

Yes, you are f**king defined by what is between your legs; that may not be the law but it is in the real mainstream world. Try to fool a straight man that one is a woman when one has a penis dangling between ones legs and then wonder why he kicked ones head in the bedroom; legal or not, GRC or not!

The TG person, who I mentioned in my gym sporting a penis, could very well use one of the cubicles to change. But oh no, the law says that they are female and they are quite comfortable dangling that and their penis, in our faces. They need the counselling (it is not, 'council') to understand why it is that they think that the rest of the planet should bend over to their will

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surprising what people willl do for a easy ride

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

We have similar laws in Germany. One can legally change gender but surgery is mandatory. There are only very exceptional circumstances where a person is legally permitted to change their gender without surgery

In Germany, one cannot even change their name from a typically male name to a typically female name, unless one can prove that they are transitioning under professional medical supervision

Now that sounds like a sensible way to do things. The rights of TG folk are protected and the rights of non-TG folk are protected too

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club"

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too"

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world"

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot. "

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot. "

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate"

So answer my question, how has this lady offended you besides being who she is? Seems pretty bigoted to me...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis? "

Yes, 'she' has offended me by changing in our full view with male bits when they are in a female changing area. They could do the decent thing and use one of the several private cubicles available in the female changing area

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

lancashire

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate"

Explain hermaphrodite then?

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!"

But you've already stated she's not a man but a transgendered female? And this offends you.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate

Explain hermaphrodite then?"

Gender is binary, apparently.

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

lancashire

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!"

It makes complete sense to me and it's all down to having respect for other people. So transgender flashing there bollocks around in a female changing area. No it not right and I agree with you.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!

It makes complete sense to me and it's all down to having respect for other people. So transgender flashing there bollocks around in a female changing area. No it not right and I agree with you."

And women who don't want to see women change? Trans shouldn't be forced to hide like they're ashamed. A set of genitals is not going to hurt you until the owners of said genitals do hurt you with them. Just having them is not a crime. I'm proud of our Trans female gym friend!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate

Explain hermaphrodite then?"

You explain it. I haven't seen one in my gym changing area. But I have seen a man using the female changing area because the gym management tell us that he is a woman; he has some bit of paper which says so!

There is a male changing area too in the gym which men use. They are not permitted to waltz into the female changing are and get naked in front of women who are too. Just like I cannot just walk into a male changing area

I am talking about the real world; not some swinger's club!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!

It makes complete sense to me and it's all down to having respect for other people. So transgender flashing there bollocks around in a female changing area. No it not right and I agree with you."

Understand this. My friend and I are probably the only women in that gym who are happy for a TG with male bits to use the female changing area. But it would be decent if they used a private cubicle until such time that they are actually female

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate

Explain hermaphrodite then?

I am talking about the real world; not some swinger's club!"

Friends and I sports with a FtM trans chap who has no intention of getting a strapadictomy, he showers with us and changes with us and generally gets about his business and until I'm invited to touch his genitals they are literally none of my business.

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By *ade_of_StarsCouple
over a year ago

Whitburn

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!

It makes complete sense to me and it's all down to having respect for other people. So transgender flashing there bollocks around in a female changing area. No it not right and I agree with you.

The insincerity and bigotry of that last comment made me vomit out of my eyes.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

You tell me how your human rights have been interfered with by said Trans lady? Has she offended you with anything other than having a penis?

I use the female changing area in the gym because I do not want to be confronted by men when stark naked!

It makes complete sense to me and it's all down to having respect for other people. So transgender flashing there bollocks around in a female changing area. No it not right and I agree with you.

That has to be the second most stupid comment on this thread

That or you are deliberately being obtuse

So a man walking into the female changing area isn't doing any harm unless he decides to stick his penis in one of us

Like I said, reality-check, mate

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By *ayde BlanchardTV/TS
over a year ago

lancashire

"I'm going to expand on my comment a little.

But to say transgendered women (note: women) aren't welcome? That's kind of hateful and i think it best you seek council and work out alone until you sort your issues out.

You are not defined by what's between your legs, otherwise I'd be a Himalayan Mountain Ox.

That has to be the most stupid comment on this thread. It does nothing but alienate a lot of women, who are otherwise supportive of TG issues, turn their backs on them

What utter f**king nonsense. It is called a 'female changing area'. Not a 'legal female with a penis changing area'! And it is a gym; not a bl**dy swinger's club

I hope you don't have children to pass on these views too

I do hope that you don't have any which you fathered to pass your views that you are the only one who matters and screw the rights and feelings of he rest of the world

If my male spawn decided he were actually a she. I would happily rejoice in his right to wang out I the female changing room.

You're a closed minded bigot.

Yeah, right; anyone who doesn't agree that a 'woman' with a penis is still a man, is a 'bigot'

You need a reality-check, mate

Explain hermaphrodite then?

I am talking about the real world; not some swinger's club!"

It boils down to this you use the changing area of your legal gender. Ok does not matter what you have between your legs. The purpose of a grc is what you legal gender is. I personally think discretion is key. I also get what your saying and the person transgender or whatever should show that respect and be discreet.

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