Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to The Lounge |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Other than saying I did two tours in NI. One in Londonderry I won't comment." You dont have to  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance." To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance. To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. " Come on MM, heroine please. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance. To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. Come on MM, heroine please. " I was never 100% sure | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not sure what I think really. Listening to Colin Parry who's son Tim was killed in the Manchester bombing, he said you can't forgive or forget the man he was but you can respect the man he became. " I agree with this. I don't rejoice in anybody dying. However, you can't deny the man's past. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say " We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance. To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. Come on MM, heroine please. But she never murdered anyone I was never 100% sure " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance. To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. Come on MM, heroine please. I was never 100% sure "lol Thatcher was neither | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance. To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. Come on MM, heroine please. But she never murdered anyone I was never 100% sure "No but her agents certainly did Let's not forget those on both sides and let those that live help shape and mould a better place for all of us to live in peace | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself. " . I find it highly doubtful that the majority don't recognise the cause, there are many causes, yet not everyone is a or has a reaction to them, Mrs blue eyes | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"That should read she never murdered anyone" Fucked more miners then Saville though | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I didn't agree with his politics and his past makes me sick however I recognise the change he made and acknowledge that part he played in bringing peace to my part of the world. Some of the comments here are misguided at best and vile at worst."
Best, most dignified comment so far! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I didn't agree with his politics and his past makes me sick however I recognise the change he made and acknowledge that part he played in bringing peace to my part of the world. Some of the comments here are misguided at best and vile at worst." I think lots of people have their reasons for their'vile'comments. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides.. The current situation is preferable.. I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict.. Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.." Well said. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides.. The current situation is preferable.. I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict.. Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.." Very well said | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
"The man deserves no respect Apologies for anyone I've offended, but he was a terrorist " was going to say that and have a party | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Rip martin Because of people like him and gerry Adams we live in peace now" bastard's the two of them burn in hell | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else." are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides.. The current situation is preferable.. I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict.. Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.." I tip my hat to u sir | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else. are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of. " does that go for us Scots too? Believe me..we are trying to piss off out of your country  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not Irish so can't really give an opinion But... Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP " Yes, most mass murderers are MPs first, usually prime minister.  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else. are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of. " Shame not everyone in our country can look forward to a better future  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died." She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died. She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!" She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died. She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!" wanna bet??? Il go with cunt too!!! Biggest 1 at that!!! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter,being British i have to say good riddance, just because he done some good later in his life,his past cannot be forgiven,saville is the prime example of that,no one forgives that bastard,hopefully gerry adams will be next." What on earth?! 1. Being British doesn't mean you have to unconditionally accept the state's actions. 2. Did you really just compare McGuinness to Saville? I can't quite get my head around that one. 3. You call McGuinness a terrorist, yet celebrate his death and wish death upon another political leader? Doublethink much? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not Irish so can't really give an opinion But... Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP " Nelson Mandela was a terrorist before he became president of south Africa. He killed people in brutal ways but by the time he died he was hailed as an almighty peace keeper. People can reform. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions. " You took the words right out of my mouth | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died. She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt! She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions. " Mr69: "most certainly" does not a fact make, & as a country's leader isn't that part of her job? To kill terrorist threats to the State? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP " That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics" Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance! Yeah he work on the good Friday agreement and tried to make amends. But I can NEVER forgive or forget what we went through that day let alone all the other terrorist activities that the IRA and UVF subjected the public to over the years. No the British were never perfect and having done my research on all side during the troubles I understand the grievances on all sides. But gurrilla warfare on any level that involves and kills innocent kids, women and men is unforgivable! " Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Read a book called 'Talking to Terrorists' by Peter Taylor and you'll get a better understanding of what MM did in his early life, and more importantly, why he get he had to. And the non-violent influence he had on what NI would become leading up to and post the Good Friday Agreement." Great Hatred, Little Room by Jonathan Powell is also an interesting read. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics" as I said before I'm not Irish and can't really comment All I know is how I would feel seeing a man become PM knowing he killed a member of my Family or friends ? Yes he was part of the peace agreement but part of that agreement was letting known murderers out of prison...on both sides Sorry but if you take a life..you need locking up | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe." To be fair the IRA were a legitimate militia. An organised operation lead and regimented. It was the British government outlawed the IRA by not recognising the IRA as a legitimate military operation, very clever when you think about as it means that the British army would not have to handle them under the Geneva Convention! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Occupy a country Alienate a segment of the population based on their religion. Take land and homes from the natives. Kill or imprison any native that voices any disapproval of britains actions. Label these ordinary people " terrorists" who dared stand up to tyranny. Assimilate a large portion of the world into their "empire". When tbe IRA beought its war to mainland britain it wasnt pretty, it was vile, it was murder But It was simply a taste of what the "empire" inflicted on half the planet. " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe. To be fair the IRA were a legitimate militia. An organised operation lead and regimented. It was the British government outlawed the IRA by not recognising the IRA as a legitimate military operation, very clever when you think about as it means that the British army would not have to handle them under the Geneva Convention! " Legitimate eh? They had a civil war first with their own people who didn't agree with them. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance! Yeah he work on the good Friday agreement and tried to make amends. But I can NEVER forgive or forget what we went through that day let alone all the other terrorist activities that the IRA and UVF subjected the public to over the years. No the British were never perfect and having done my research on all side during the troubles I understand the grievances on all sides. But gurrilla warfare on any level that involves and kills innocent kids, women and men is unforgivable! Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable? " Yes it is unforgivable! As you'll see! I have in no way shape or form took anyside other than my own personal experience. As a 14 year old kid I seen someone I used to play football against blew up on a cast iron bin he was sat on and I seen the pram that Johnathan was sat in! I draw my opinion from my own life experience and I'm sorry I can not forgive this person for being directly involved in a day that changed mine and a hell of a lot of people's lives. I understand he was an instrumental part of the peace achieved in NI and I recognise his efforts but I still will never forgive him or forget what he and his people did! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I wonder if anyone will get a meet through this thread "Mr69. Have you got a balaclava? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I didn't really follow the why's & wherefores of the NI conflict, However I did know there were three men I couldn't stand seeing on my TV because it usually meant shit followed.. Adams, McGuiness & Paisley So two down, one to go.. S" I feel the same when i see yere pm and yere sugar daddy in the usa | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. " Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I didn't really follow the why's & wherefores of the NI conflict, However I did know there were three men I couldn't stand seeing on my TV because it usually meant shit followed.. Adams, McGuiness & Paisley So two down, one to go.. S I feel the same when i see yere pm and yere sugar daddy in the usa" You & me both on that one! But I've an inkling our "friend" in the USA won't be around for a full term.. S | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance! Yeah he work on the good Friday agreement and tried to make amends. But I can NEVER forgive or forget what we went through that day let alone all the other terrorist activities that the IRA and UVF subjected the public to over the years. No the British were never perfect and having done my research on all side during the troubles I understand the grievances on all sides. But gurrilla warfare on any level that involves and kills innocent kids, women and men is unforgivable! Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable? Yes it is unforgivable! As you'll see! I have in no way shape or form took anyside other than my own personal experience. As a 14 year old kid I seen someone I used to play football against blew up on a cast iron bin he was sat on and I seen the pram that Johnathan was sat in! I draw my opinion from my own life experience and I'm sorry I can not forgive this person for being directly involved in a day that changed mine and a hell of a lot of people's lives. I understand he was an instrumental part of the peace achieved in NI and I recognise his efforts but I still will never forgive him or forget what he and his people did! " Fair enough. Well done for consistency! You often find though that lots of people who condemn the IRA for killing civilians will approve of British forces dropping bombs on cities and killing civilians. I consider that hypocritical. Personally I think that if your political cause involves you killing a single child it's not worth it. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides.. The current situation is preferable.. I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict.. Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.." .ive only got one point Gandhi! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe. To be fair the IRA were a legitimate militia. An organised operation lead and regimented. It was the British government outlawed the IRA by not recognising the IRA as a legitimate military operation, very clever when you think about as it means that the British army would not have to handle them under the Geneva Convention! Legitimate eh? They had a civil war first with their own people who didn't agree with them." Ah cmon ... The civil war was waged between Irish republicans and Irish nationalists, over the Anglo-Irish Treaty. The forces of the Provisional government supported the Treaty, while the Republicans saw it as a betrayal of the Irish Republic after the 1916 rising The Civil War was won by the Provisional government, which were heavily armed by the British government. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I didn't really follow the why's & wherefores of the NI conflict, However I did know there were three men I couldn't stand seeing on my TV because it usually meant shit followed.. Adams, McGuiness & Paisley So two down, one to go.. S" Your first line really says a lot. I think there are quite a few above you who are in the same boat. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe. To be fair the IRA were a legitimate militia. An organised operation lead and regimented. It was the British government outlawed the IRA by not recognising the IRA as a legitimate military operation, very clever when you think about as it means that the British army would not have to handle them under the Geneva Convention! " We would have loved them to be treated as a real millitary, instead of arresting them and having to abide by the rules of engagement set down in the yellow card (think it was jsp900) then having them whine about out tough treatment of them. If we were under the rules of warefare as laid out by the Geneva convention we could of just lined em up and shot em into a ditch. Ever read the articles of war and Geneva convention? For them to apply to you, you have to operate openly and in uniform. You cannot deliberately target civilians. Etc etc. Oh and there are rules to how you treat and deal with prisoners. While republican prisoners cried about being locked up, the cowardly fuckers on the outside never even had the common decency to let Robert Nirac's catholic family bury their son. He was a commissioned officer working undercover when he was caught. The IRA didn't have the bollox to leave him where he could be found because of what they did to him. For the IRA to hide a body rather than let it be found. . . . | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years. Outlawed its language. Outlawed its religion. Took lands and homes from ye. Only gave jobs to its implants. How would the british people react ?" 1066 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe. To be fair the IRA were a legitimate militia. An organised operation lead and regimented. It was the British government outlawed the IRA by not recognising the IRA as a legitimate military operation, very clever when you think about as it means that the British army would not have to handle them under the Geneva Convention! Legitimate eh? They had a civil war first with their own people who didn't agree with them. Ah cmon ... The civil war was waged between Irish republicans and Irish nationalists, over the Anglo-Irish Treaty. The forces of the Provisional government supported the Treaty, while the Republicans saw it as a betrayal of the Irish Republic after the 1916 rising The Civil War was won by the Provisional government, which were heavily armed by the British government. " Mr69: Hey up Yosser. Sounds right, 2 elected governments reaching a compromise. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years. Outlawed its language. Outlawed its religion. Took lands and homes from ye. Only gave jobs to its implants. How would the british people react ?" . You mean like the Normandy invasion where French became the official language of England for 400 years?. Or William of oranges bloodless revolution?. The list of "foreign" countrys that have invaded England over the last 2000 years is endless, they all did pretty much what the British empire did, in fact you could say the empire based its strategy on it, the Romans did exactly the same thing, i mean how do you think Ireland became Catholic? Everyone just converted overnight by choice | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance! Yeah he work on the good Friday agreement and tried to make amends. But I can NEVER forgive or forget what we went through that day let alone all the other terrorist activities that the IRA and UVF subjected the public to over the years. No the British were never perfect and having done my research on all side during the troubles I understand the grievances on all sides. But gurrilla warfare on any level that involves and kills innocent kids, women and men is unforgivable! Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable? Yes it is unforgivable! As you'll see! I have in no way shape or form took anyside other than my own personal experience. As a 14 year old kid I seen someone I used to play football against blew up on a cast iron bin he was sat on and I seen the pram that Johnathan was sat in! I draw my opinion from my own life experience and I'm sorry I can not forgive this person for being directly involved in a day that changed mine and a hell of a lot of people's lives. I understand he was an instrumental part of the peace achieved in NI and I recognise his efforts but I still will never forgive him or forget what he and his people did! Fair enough. Well done for consistency! You often find though that lots of people who condemn the IRA for killing civilians will approve of British forces dropping bombs on cities and killing civilians. I consider that hypocritical. Personally I think that if your political cause involves you killing a single child it's not worth it. " I agree whole heartedly with your last point! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself. " What he said. Times ten. People need to realise when you start empire building it has a very long lasting effect. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years. Outlawed its language. Outlawed its religion. Took lands and homes from ye. Only gave jobs to its implants. How would the british people react ?. You mean like the Normandy invasion where French became the official language of England for 400 years?. Or William of oranges bloodless revolution?. The list of "foreign" countrys that have invaded England over the last 2000 years is endless, they all did pretty much what the British empire did, in fact you could say the empire based its strategy on it, the Romans did exactly the same thing, i mean how do you think Ireland became Catholic? Everyone just converted overnight by choice" And did britain fight back to reclaim what is theirs? We're they deemed terrorists? Did they kill people in the conflict? See where im going? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died. She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt! She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions. Mr69: "most certainly" does not a fact make, & as a country's leader isn't that part of her job? To kill terrorist threats to the State?" Combatants are one thing. Innocent people are something else entirely. Under her leadership her military infiltrated loyalist death squads and put their agents in prime positions. The classic example being Brian Nelson. Brian Nelson then imported a shipment of weapons from South Africa with the full approval of the military. These weapons were then used to kill innocent catholic civilians, not combatants/terrorists, innocent civilians. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? " No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"In any political battle you can take two stances... To fight a war of words or to take up arms and fight to the death... Ireland spiralled into a battle many years ago, political and religious over those that wanted independence and those that wanted to be part of the United Kingdom.. The British army deployment yo act as a peacekeeper just embroiled them into a bloody battle that started for freedom but soon became more.. It became a business... I was brought up in London with the fear that at any time i could be killed by a bomb. Almost every year during my childhood a bombing took place in London.. Having served in NI in the early 90's in bomb disposal, I saw many people killed and maimed.. Not just squaddies, civilians, people not involved with any fighting, just caught in a crossfire.. 1994 saw a ceasefire which was destroyed less than two years later by an IRA bomb... Why... I can answer that with one word.. GREED.. The greed of the criminal element selling weapons, drugs and involved in organised prostitution rings.. In Italy they called this type of criminal the Mafia.. In Ireland they were called the IRA and later the Real IRA.. It is known that Mcguinness was instrumental in many of the events that took place, many of the murders have been traced back to him. . The pen is always mightier than the sword and there can never be justification for acts of terror or violence against innocent people.. . So all those that think he was great, Justify to me why innocent civilians in London, Manchester, Birmingham, Guildford and all the hundreds of bombings and murders in Ireland had to die?" Dublin and Monaghan were also bombed by by members of your military and with the aid of military intelligence. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"In any political battle you can take two stances... To fight a war of words or to take up arms and fight to the death... Ireland spiralled into a battle many years ago, political and religious over those that wanted independence and those that wanted to be part of the United Kingdom.. The British army deployment yo act as a peacekeeper just embroiled them into a bloody battle that started for freedom but soon became more.. It became a business... I was brought up in London with the fear that at any time i could be killed by a bomb. Almost every year during my childhood a bombing took place in London.. Having served in NI in the early 90's in bomb disposal, I saw many people killed and maimed.. Not just squaddies, civilians, people not involved with any fighting, just caught in a crossfire.. 1994 saw a ceasefire which was destroyed less than two years later by an IRA bomb... Why... I can answer that with one word.. GREED.. The greed of the criminal element selling weapons, drugs and involved in organised prostitution rings.. In Italy they called this type of criminal the Mafia.. In Ireland they were called the IRA and later the Real IRA.. It is known that Mcguinness was instrumental in many of the events that took place, many of the murders have been traced back to him. . The pen is always mightier than the sword and there can never be justification for acts of terror or violence against innocent people.. . So all those that think he was great, Justify to me why innocent civilians in London, Manchester, Birmingham, Guildford and all the hundreds of bombings and murders in Ireland had to die?" They didnt need to die, neither did a whole segment of the irish population need to be alienated. The only people in ireland who wanted to be part of the empire are descendents of protestants given land by the british government in our country... You guys think that irish innocents werent killed in front of friends and family by british forces? Those same forces who armed protestant paramitaries in NI? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. " These "excuses" are 100's of years old yes..but were also current at the time. Who invited your forces to our country? Those same forces that armed the uvf etc. Against the catholic population? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? " Oh and have you ever seen first hand the work of the British empire? Have you ever seen refugees and victims of ethnic cleansing? See, while the Hatfeilds and Mcoys feud is still a thing for you, we understand the difference between relevant history and current events. I must really suck as a human being because my Irish great grandfather served in India in the cavalry. Yeah my family, doing the empires dirtys. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"i will never forgive the queen for shakeing his hand " Mr69: she thought he was Colm Meaney. She loved DS9... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"i will never forgive the queen for shakeing his hand " it's her job,done in the name of peace. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. These "excuses" are 100's of years old yes..but were also current at the time. Who invited your forces to our country? Those same forces that armed the uvf etc. Against the catholic population?" I've never armed a loyalist, I've searched loads, them moving around, their houses, their cars, their sheds. Exactly the same as we did the republicans. You seem to think their was some massive collision between the whole British army and everyone else. The first British soldier killed in the Modern round of the troubles was shot by escaping loyalists. Do you think we would ever sit around and let some one arm people who would be using the stuff against us the next day? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? Oh and have you ever seen first hand the work of the British empire? Have you ever seen refugees and victims of ethnic cleansing? See, while the Hatfeilds and Mcoys feud is still a thing for you, we understand the difference between relevant history and current events. I must really suck as a human being because my Irish great grandfather served in India in the cavalry. Yeah my family, doing the empires dirtys. " My father, ww2 Grandfather and 2 grand uncles ww1, both uncles lost their lives. I support them, completely different conflicts | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Not sure what I think really. Listening to Colin Parry who's son Tim was killed in the Manchester bombing, he said you can't forgive or forget the man he was but you can respect the man he became. " Tim was killed in Warrington Hun not Manchester. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. These "excuses" are 100's of years old yes..but were also current at the time. Who invited your forces to our country? Those same forces that armed the uvf etc. Against the catholic population? I've never armed a loyalist, I've searched loads, them moving around, their houses, their cars, their sheds. Exactly the same as we did the republicans. You seem to think their was some massive collision between the whole British army and everyone else. The first British soldier killed in the Modern round of the troubles was shot by escaping loyalists. Do you think we would ever sit around and let some one arm people who would be using the stuff against us the next day? " Its a proven fact that british forces colluded and armed loyalist terror groups | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"i will never forgive the queen for shakeing his hand " She did so to try and put and end to the troubles, make a new start.. A new beginning for relations between Ireland and the UK. We will never know how she felt doing it, I can only imagine that it stuck in her throat.. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years. Outlawed its language. Outlawed its religion. Took lands and homes from ye. Only gave jobs to its implants. How would the british people react ?. You mean like the Normandy invasion where French became the official language of England for 400 years?. Or William of oranges bloodless revolution?. The list of "foreign" countrys that have invaded England over the last 2000 years is endless, they all did pretty much what the British empire did, in fact you could say the empire based its strategy on it, the Romans did exactly the same thing, i mean how do you think Ireland became Catholic? Everyone just converted overnight by choice And did britain fight back to reclaim what is theirs? We're they deemed terrorists? Did they kill people in the conflict? See where im going?" . Yes all of the above and some cases like William of orange no violence. But then i havent seen much violence between English French and Dutch citizens blaming each other for occupations that occurred hundreds of years ago when that type of activity was the norm. Its the very distant past and it needs to be in the past, of course all of us could drag up aspects of history that were bad to our ancestors or our "country" thats what nationalism depends on, it requires you to have an allegiance as if we have something personal to gain or lose. MM doesnt mean that much to me, he had no impact on my life but Ill accept he influenced others both for better or worse,i just hope people on both sides can let it go | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I can see the history of what your empire did wasn't a favourite subject for many. "At the time it was your Empire as well. History is full of atrocities nobody's ancestors are totally innocent. He was what he was. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. These "excuses" are 100's of years old yes..but were also current at the time. Who invited your forces to our country? Those same forces that armed the uvf etc. Against the catholic population? I've never armed a loyalist, I've searched loads, them moving around, their houses, their cars, their sheds. Exactly the same as we did the republicans. You seem to think their was some massive collision between the whole British army and everyone else. The first British soldier killed in the Modern round of the troubles was shot by escaping loyalists. Do you think we would ever sit around and let some one arm people who would be using the stuff against us the next day? Its a proven fact that british forces colluded and armed loyalist terror groups" It's a proven fact the IRA murdered there own people, sold drugs and ran protection rackets. And colluded with loyalist paramilitaries to keep each other's leaders safe. Dunno if they knew when they swapped rifles for handguns to Scottish gangsters that the rifles would come back in loyalist hands, but I don't think they would of cared. And I'm not saying it's you, because we are having a debate, but the person giving me a load of retarded brain washed regurgitated propaganda into my inbox should #A grow up, #B grow a pair and openly post your beliefs and #C read a history book not just pamphlets  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
 | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"i will never forgive the queen for shakeing his hand " She's guilty of as much if not more than he was... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. These "excuses" are 100's of years old yes..but were also current at the time. Who invited your forces to our country? Those same forces that armed the uvf etc. Against the catholic population? I've never armed a loyalist, I've searched loads, them moving around, their houses, their cars, their sheds. Exactly the same as we did the republicans. You seem to think their was some massive collision between the whole British army and everyone else. The first British soldier killed in the Modern round of the troubles was shot by escaping loyalists. Do you think we would ever sit around and let some one arm people who would be using the stuff against us the next day? Its a proven fact that british forces colluded and armed loyalist terror groups It's a proven fact the IRA murdered there own people, sold drugs and ran protection rackets. And colluded with loyalist paramilitaries to keep each other's leaders safe. Dunno if they knew when they swapped rifles for handguns to Scottish gangsters that the rifles would come back in loyalist hands, but I don't think they would of cared. And I'm not saying it's you, because we are having a debate, but the person giving me a load of retarded brain washed regurgitated propaganda into my inbox should #A grow up, #B grow a pair and openly post your beliefs and #C read a history book not just pamphlets "Haha its not me mate, i enjoy the debate and its very interesting to see tbe feelings about this particular conflict are very much alive in peoples hearts and minds. Neither side covered themselves in glory in this conflict. I am not pro IRA I am not pro britain either. Lots of lives were lost unnecessarily in this conflict. My only point is peeps on this thread celebrating and taking delight in the death of martin mcguinness when britain has been responsible for a hell of a lot more atrocities against innocents then the ira ever were. Doesnt matter how long ago these things happened, saying it was x amount of years ago doesnt justify it to a lot of people in these lands. Language, religion, lands, human rights etc. Were taken from.these people so how can they be blamed for fighting back ? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself. " Very well said | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else. are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of. " I think you need to read up more on the history of your country. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" At the time it was your Empire as well. " Now that takes some beating for the most ludicrous comment ever! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself. Very well said "The cause.. Yeh I know that cause.. Collections in the pubs of North London and beatings for those that didn't drop a pound in the bag.. The cause that saw the murder of hundreds of civilians.. And don't try and blame the British government of the 80's and 90's for that.. The cause that saw the sale of arms to other terrorist organisations, the sale of heroin on the streets and the sale of young girls into the sex trade.. That cause may have been legitimate up to the end of the 70's but beyond that and in mcguinness's time it was business... An easy way to make money by a criminal organisation.. Give any criminal a political or religious front and they then look like a legitimate cause.. The troubles could have ended decades earlier if it hadn't been for the greed of a few men... So I ask again, Give the justification for murder in the name of the cause... | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself. Very well said
The cause.. Yeh I know that cause..
Collections in the pubs of North London and beatings for those that didn't drop a pound in the bag..
The cause that saw the murder of hundreds of civilians.. And don't try and blame the British government of the 80's and 90's for that..
The cause that saw the sale of arms to other terrorist organisations, the sale of heroin on the streets and the sale of young girls into the sex trade..
That cause may have been legitimate up to the end of the 70's but beyond that and in mcguinness's time it was business... An easy way to make money by a criminal organisation..
Give any criminal a political or religious front and they then look like a legitimate cause..
The troubles could have ended decades earlier if it hadn't been for the greed of a few men...
So I ask again,
Give the justification for murder in the name of the cause..."The cause of the troubles?
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider? Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer? He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community. While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider. Knee capping Breeze blocking 50/50 Tar and feathering Head job Six pack Bar beating Petrol lighter bath how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head? I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night. Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire? Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were? No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo. I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other. The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority. Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany. This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident. Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets. And mainland pubs. These "excuses" are 100's of years old yes..but were also current at the time. Who invited your forces to our country? Those same forces that armed the uvf etc. Against the catholic population? I've never armed a loyalist, I've searched loads, them moving around, their houses, their cars, their sheds. Exactly the same as we did the republicans. You seem to think their was some massive collision between the whole British army and everyone else. The first British soldier killed in the Modern round of the troubles was shot by escaping loyalists. Do you think we would ever sit around and let some one arm people who would be using the stuff against us the next day? Its a proven fact that british forces colluded and armed loyalist terror groups It's a proven fact the IRA murdered there own people, sold drugs and ran protection rackets. And colluded with loyalist paramilitaries to keep each other's leaders safe. Dunno if they knew when they swapped rifles for handguns to Scottish gangsters that the rifles would come back in loyalist hands, but I don't think they would of cared. And I'm not saying it's you, because we are having a debate, but the person giving me a load of retarded brain washed regurgitated propaganda into my inbox should #A grow up, #B grow a pair and openly post your beliefs and #C read a history book not just pamphlets
Haha its not me mate, i enjoy the debate and its very interesting to see tbe feelings about this particular conflict are very much alive in peoples hearts and minds.
Neither side covered themselves in glory in this conflict.
I am not pro IRA
I am not pro britain either.
Lots of lives were lost unnecessarily in this conflict.
My only point is peeps on this thread celebrating and taking delight in the death of martin mcguinness when britain has been responsible for a hell of a lot more atrocities against innocents then the ira ever were.
Doesnt matter how long ago these things happened, saying it was x amount of years ago doesnt justify it to a lot of people in these lands.
Language, religion, lands, human rights etc. Were taken from.these people so how can they be blamed for fighting back ?"If I had been born across the water, maybe I would of been a paramilitary. Probably not because I'm not and haven't ever been that patriotic. I only joined the army because I had literally no where else to go, but it did give me a lot. And I saw and experienced things very few of my friends and certainly not the people I mix with now will have ever experienced. I know some people came away with a pathological hatred of some things. I don't recall being particularly scared, just bored most of the time. But I do know both the Loyaist and Republican paramilitaries were as hypocritical and corrupt as each other. If I had to bomb up and put the INIBA under my combat jacket and do it again, because part of the United Kingdom was unraveling at the seams, would I? Yeh I think I would, two multiples and a few police vs 300 Molotov cocktail an acid bomb throwing rioters? Smashing in a suspects front door at 3am? Lying up on a crossing point for 5 days? I'm glad I did it, not because I'm some brain dead nationalist, but because I enjoyed it. I did an extra tour with another unit once.  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" At the time it was your Empire as well. Now that takes some beating for the most ludicrous comment ever! "Not really. How many Irish have served voluntarily under the crown? And still do. Lots of regiments have a harp on their badge, they ain't all from Ulster. And Irish paratroopers bounce! | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. " Just block them? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"ah londonderry the only english word with 6 silent letters in it " We used to call it 'stroke city' it was on maps as Londonderry/Derry and officers used to call it Londonderry stroke Derry. Ravers over there used to say they were from stroke city too so they didn't identify their denomination based on what they call their home town. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. " I don't recall any suspects being shot through the chest in Finchley even though according to one of your prime minister's, the north of Ireland was as British as Finchley. Didn't you have a thing about "reasonable force" in your rules? Would three bullets in the chest of an unarmed person be classified as reasonable force? I don't think it would in Finchley. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"ah londonderry the only english word with 6 silent letters in it " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? " Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. " I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. I don't recall any suspects being shot through the chest in Finchley even though according to one of your prime minister's, the north of Ireland was as British as Finchley. Didn't you have a thing about "reasonable force" in your rules? Would three bullets in the chest of an unarmed person be classified as reasonable force? I don't think it would in Finchley. " I don't think it's ever necisarry to shoot an unarmed person. 'You may open fire when your life or the life of another is in danger.' Going to work with a gun then crying about getting shot at ........... IRA thinking that is. I think pumping a two or three group into an armed terrorist is more than a reasonable thing to do. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. " Maybe you should read up on the Stalker inquiry and see that there was certainly a shoot to kill policy. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA. "Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. I don't recall any suspects being shot through the chest in Finchley even though according to one of your prime minister's, the north of Ireland was as British as Finchley. Didn't you have a thing about "reasonable force" in your rules? Would three bullets in the chest of an unarmed person be classified as reasonable force? I don't think it would in Finchley. I don't think it's ever necisarry to shoot an unarmed person. 'You may open fire when your life or the life of another is in danger.' Going to work with a gun then crying about getting shot at ........... IRA thinking that is. I think pumping a two or three group into an armed terrorist is more than a reasonable thing to do. " Yet unarmed people were shot on a regular basis...go figure  | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. I don't recall any suspects being shot through the chest in Finchley even though according to one of your prime minister's, the north of Ireland was as British as Finchley. Didn't you have a thing about "reasonable force" in your rules? Would three bullets in the chest of an unarmed person be classified as reasonable force? I don't think it would in Finchley. I don't think it's ever necisarry to shoot an unarmed person. 'You may open fire when your life or the life of another is in danger.' Going to work with a gun then crying about getting shot at ........... IRA thinking that is. I think pumping a two or three group into an armed terrorist is more than a reasonable thing to do. " I don't know any republican who has ever complained about that,apart from the question of your empire fucking up our country. What people did complain about was the tendency of your military to shoot unarmed suspects in situations where they knew them to be unarmed. Again I point to your own army's rules of engagement and the phrase "reasonable force" | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour. "Well that sums you up nicely #numpty | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. " Thats because you put heady in sandy and ignorey facts that dont suity you. Stalker found clear evidence that a shoot to kill policy was enforced and the British government lost court cases and had to pay compensation to families of the people they murdered unjustifiably. Is that simply enough for you to understandy? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour. "Given that you may have been there during the peace process, it's a bit rich to be condemning anyone else for being bloodthirsty. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. Maybe you should read up on the Stalker inquiry and see that there was certainly a shoot to kill policy." I read stalkers book. That was special branch being gung ho. Kinda like the SBS soldier who shot a retarded kid who went back to a arms cache in a grave yard he had reported, to see if the guns were still there and picked one up. Mind you I probably couldn't tell the difference between a teenager and an adult in low light through a CWS either. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour.
Given that you may have been there during the peace process, it's a bit rich to be condemning anyone else for being bloodthirsty. "I was there pre ceasefire that's before the peace protesting troops off the street people used to try and pick fights with us. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. Maybe you should read up on the Stalker inquiry and see that there was certainly a shoot to kill policy. I read stalkers book. That was special branch being gung ho. Kinda like the SBS soldier who shot a retarded kid who went back to a arms cache in a grave yard he had reported, to see if the guns were still there and picked one up. Mind you I probably couldn't tell the difference between a teenager and an adult in low light through a CWS either. " Yes, those were the weapons that had already been tampered with and rendered useless, thereby posing no threat if I'm thinking of the correct case? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"A great great man rest in peace Martin " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. Maybe you should read up on the Stalker inquiry and see that there was certainly a shoot to kill policy. I read stalkers book. That was special branch being gung ho. Kinda like the SBS soldier who shot a retarded kid who went back to a arms cache in a grave yard he had reported, to see if the guns were still there and picked one up. Mind you I probably couldn't tell the difference between a teenager and an adult in low light through a CWS either. Yes, those were the weapons that had already been tampered with and rendered useless, thereby posing no threat if I'm thinking of the correct case? " Dunno about the stalker one. If you 'jark' weapons where inteligence put a transponder hidden in the stock or hand guard you don't render it inoperable as you are wanting them to move around and trace them to an ASU. Who would unless they are stupid test fire them before using them on a job. You don't put an ambush in on inoperable weapons then try to use some one holding one as justification for opening fire. That kinda thing gets you in trouble at the inquest. No member of the security forces got to open fire without having to justify it. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour.
Given that you may have been there during the peace process, it's a bit rich to be condemning anyone else for being bloodthirsty.
I was there pre ceasefire that's before the peace protesting troops off the street people used to try and pick fights with us. "pre ceasefire? What age were yout? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour.
Given that you may have been there during the peace process, it's a bit rich to be condemning anyone else for being bloodthirsty.
I was there pre ceasefire that's before the peace protesting troops off the street people used to try and pick fights with us.
pre ceasefire?
What age were yout?"During which tour? For clarification I'm referring to the ceasefire as the total cessation of violence one. Not all the other ones they kept breaking. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. Maybe you should read up on the Stalker inquiry and see that there was certainly a shoot to kill policy. I read stalkers book. That was special branch being gung ho. Kinda like the SBS soldier who shot a retarded kid who went back to a arms cache in a grave yard he had reported, to see if the guns were still there and picked one up. Mind you I probably couldn't tell the difference between a teenager and an adult in low light through a CWS either. Yes, those were the weapons that had already been tampered with and rendered useless, thereby posing no threat if I'm thinking of the correct case? Dunno about the stalker one. If you 'jark' weapons where inteligence put a transponder hidden in the stock or hand guard you don't render it inoperable as you are wanting them to move around and trace them to an ASU. Who would unless they are stupid test fire them before using them on a job. You don't put an ambush in on inoperable weapons then try to use some one holding one as justification for opening fire. That kinda thing gets you in trouble at the inquest. No member of the security forces got to open fire without having to justify it. " It would cause trouble in a normal democracy. Inquests were adjourned over and over so that these details weren't released. It has been admitted years ago that those weapons had their firing pins tampered with to render them useless. I think you accidentally hit on the nub of the problem there yourself. There were numerous cases like this. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour.
Given that you may have been there during the peace process, it's a bit rich to be condemning anyone else for being bloodthirsty.
I was there pre ceasefire that's before the peace protesting troops off the street people used to try and pick fights with us.
pre ceasefire?
What age were yout?
During which tour? For clarification I'm referring to the ceasefire as the total cessation of violence one. Not all the other ones they kept breaking. "1997 ??? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"A great great man rest in peace Martin "party time in East Belfast one less bastard in the world | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"I'd love the person in my mails giving it big to explain what a shoot to kill policy is? We were told to fire no more rounds than necessary at the largest part of the body. Shooting two or three 5.56 through someone's chest tends to kill em. That's kinda what guns are for? Me no understandy the idea that we had some special kill the Irish policy. Just block them? Nah I'm kind of interested we had photo books of most of them. We had traced and linked people who we used to notes movements when they came up on the ID checks. The fact that we weren't throwing em in the back of a van and taking em some where quiet to execute em.... The SAS never snatched and murdered Gerry or Martin the tout ( gods honest that's what we called him) I'm interested in what this shoot to kill thing is. I don't know what this "we" thing is. You didn't shoot any provos so if you did shoot someone they weren't in the IRA.
Wish I had shot one TBH we had a case of really good scotch sat in the OPs room for the first confirmed kill of a tour.
Given that you may have been there during the peace process, it's a bit rich to be condemning anyone else for being bloodthirsty.
I was there pre ceasefire that's before the peace protesting troops off the street people used to try and pick fights with us.
pre ceasefire?
What age were yout?
During which tour? For clarification I'm referring to the ceasefire as the total cessation of violence one. Not all the other ones they kept breaking. "Clarification may be needed. The 1st ceasefire was before your military career could have begun, 31st August 1994. This lasted until February '96 when the IRA returned to war. In July '97 they announced another ceasefire which has held since. During the breakdown of the ceasefire there was very little military activity in the north as the IRA concentrated on bombing commercial targets in Britain. | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"A great great man rest in peace Martin party time in East Belfast one less bastard in the world"Thankfully not all in east Belfast are sectarian biggots but some would still tar and feather you for being a TV ?? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
"A great great man rest in peace Martin party time in East Belfast one less bastard in the world"Fuck... Not Jamie Bryson as well? | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
" At the time it was your Empire as well. Now that takes some beating for the most ludicrous comment ever! Really as I recall Ireland was part of the United Kingdom. As well as we Welsh and Scots the Irish supplied their fair share of troops. Hang on regiments were named after the Irish " | |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| |||
(closed, thread got too big) | |||
| Reply privately |
| back to top |  |
