FabSwingers.com forum: Should women have time off work for their periods?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think they should, but, depending on a company's policies they should claim it as a sick day or not be paid for it.

(Speaking for myself, I'm lethargic, dizzy, hungry, in pain and grumpy on Day 1, so I tend to hide away for the sake of the rest of the world when possible.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No . It's a period not a disease or illness

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

As long as its reflected in their pay, sure

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"No . It's a period not a disease or illness "

Absolutely

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Its a natural process, adjust your expectations and woman up !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. I feel that women should get equal pay for equal work. If women start getting concessions merely for being women, they can't also argue for equal pay. Not to mention that it would be a great incentive not to hire women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes! If you suffer terribly!!! Leaking everywhere, having to carry around spare clothes, undies every month, it's awful. Having to say to your boss that you need to leave to go home to shower and change. The majority of my sick days are period related. I wish it was a case of dosing up with painkillers and getting on with it.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

"I think they should, but, depending on a company's policies they should claim it as a sick day or not be paid for it.

(Speaking for myself, I'm lethargic, dizzy, hungry, in pain and grumpy on Day 1, so I tend to hide away for the sake of the rest of the world when possible.)"

And set back women's equality 50 years

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes! If you suffer terribly!!! Leaking everywhere, having to carry around spare clothes, undies every month, it's awful. Having to say to your boss that you need to leave to go home to shower and change. The majority of my sick days are period related. I wish it was a case of dosing up with painkillers and getting on with it. "

I often get like that on my first day. Last month I had a super tampon in, super towel on & I still managed to bleed through a pair of pale grey leggings while I was out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is one of the reasons I have in the past looked for companies with more generous sick pay policies.

I can't work for at least a day a month, most months. I can barely get out of bed on those days. I'm in so much pain that I just basically sit and sob, and I bleed through super tampons in about an hour.

I mean, sure. I could go into work. But what would be the point? I'd just distract everyone else and bleed all over the upholstery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but we should have drugs!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!"

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I often get like that on my first day. Last month I had a super tampon in, super towel on & I still managed to bleed through a pair of pale grey leggings while I was out.

I'm like that for 5 out of 7 days, it's horrendous isn't it? Last month I had to explain to 4 colleagues why I had to pop home, thank god I only live 10 minutes away but I spend the whole time at work paranoid everytime I move.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mine almost killed me, because of huge fibroids, and had to take sick days, until my hysterectomy.

If you can have sick days for shit pouring out of your arse, or sick out of your mouth you should be able to be off sick with blood pouring from your vagina.

But, it's not contagious, so not counted as an illness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it."

I was offered surgery as the only viable option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it.

I was offered surgery as the only viable option. "

I'm currently waiting to see someone for a second opinion, since I was turned down by the first surgeon.

His suggestion was that since I am self employed and primarily work from home it doesn't really need addressing. Except next year I'll hopefully be starting a job where I have to turn up...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it.

I was offered surgery as the only viable option.

I'm currently waiting to see someone for a second opinion, since I was turned down by the first surgeon.

His suggestion was that since I am self employed and primarily work from home it doesn't really need addressing. Except next year I'll hopefully be starting a job where I have to turn up..."

So, it's ok for you to be in agony and flooding, because you can confine yourself to your home and not bother anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it.

I was offered surgery as the only viable option.

I'm currently waiting to see someone for a second opinion, since I was turned down by the first surgeon.

His suggestion was that since I am self employed and primarily work from home it doesn't really need addressing. Except next year I'll hopefully be starting a job where I have to turn up..."

That's ridiculous!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a manager of two women, I wouldn't have an issue with them taking a sick day for period pains but I'd have to keep an eye on it as company sick leave procedures might kick in and I wouldn't want to have to go down that route with them.

If they could manage working from home instead then great but if you are bleeding heavily and in pain then it is more applicable for a sick day than throwing up because you d*unk too much the night before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've mixed views, for some women it doesn't cause the debilitating effect that it does for others -- so should there simply be extra days because you're a woman who has periods? Perhaps not. There should be better support and understanding for those that truly suffer (to the point where they are incapacitated) and acceptance of it being understood to be a valid reason for utilising a sick day or being able to receive medical confirmation that you experience complications that require the occasional day off or reasonable adjustments of some description and hence have it factored into discussion and delivery of your job requirements, in the same way another debilitating medical condition should be factored in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it.

I was offered surgery as the only viable option.

I'm currently waiting to see someone for a second opinion, since I was turned down by the first surgeon.

His suggestion was that since I am self employed and primarily work from home it doesn't really need addressing. Except next year I'll hopefully be starting a job where I have to turn up...

So, it's ok for you to be in agony and flooding, because you can confine yourself to your home and not bother anyone else. "

IS ALRIGHT! WE CAN OD ON FEMINAX!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally think it shouldn't be allowed, but my periods aren't bad at all/non existent really so I guess that's why.

H xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fondly remember my first period, was absolutely lovely. Then every single one since has been a nightmare. Bleed for anything between 9-15 days, so heavy I was just constantly anaemic (it poured out of me), excruciating pain.. at 13. Went through every single test then, even the embarrassing ones and that was horrible at that age. They could find nothing wrong with me. So virgin 13 year old me as put on the pill. Finally found one that works but can't have a break as per a gynaecologists recommendation. Before all of that I was hardly ever in school because of them. So I do think women should be allowed time off if they are really bad. You're not going to get any work done when you're constantly cleaning up leaks or changing anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they should, but, depending on a company's policies they should claim it as a sick day or not be paid for it.

(Speaking for myself, I'm lethargic, dizzy, hungry, in pain and grumpy on Day 1, so I tend to hide away for the sake of the rest of the world when possible.)"

So if its a sick day all women would be fired under company sickness policy within 1 year of employment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No but we should have drugs!!

Or easier access to surgical procedure to stop the problem, if we're prepared to undergo it.

I was offered surgery as the only viable option.

I'm currently waiting to see someone for a second opinion, since I was turned down by the first surgeon.

His suggestion was that since I am self employed and primarily work from home it doesn't really need addressing. Except next year I'll hopefully be starting a job where I have to turn up..."

Nice.

They really have no idea, do they.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. I feel that women should get equal pay for equal work. If women start getting concessions merely for being women, they can't also argue for equal pay. Not to mention that it would be a great incentive not to hire women."

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those women who need a day off sick, could take one. But if the company doesn't promote you because you took 12+ sick days last year, but Gary only took 2, you can't then complain about unequal treatment because you are a woman.

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've mixed views, for some women it doesn't cause the debilitating effect that it does for others -- so should there simply be extra days because you're a woman who has periods? Perhaps not. There should be better support and understanding for those that truly suffer (to the point where they are incapacitated) and acceptance of it being understood to be a valid reason for utilising a sick day or being able to receive medical confirmation that you experience complications that require the occasional day off or reasonable adjustments of some description and hence have it factored into discussion and delivery of your job requirements, in the same way another debilitating medical condition should be factored in. "

There have been lots debates about conditions such as endometriosis being treated as a life long condition, and lots of research about what causes it etc etc. Lots of women don't go to the doctor about it because so many others (I'm including doctors in this!) tell you that it's normal and that you should just grin and bear it. I hate it, I hate having to call work and say yet again I'm too ill to go in, or if I do work, constantly be sat down. I don't get sick pay so some months having to lose two days of wages is a nightmare.

I understand that there would be people who would use it as an excuse to not work and in some ways it could be hard to govern but it is something that needs to be looked at.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those women who need a day off sick, could take one. But if the company doesn't promote you because you took 12+ sick days last year, but Gary only took 2, you can't then complain about unequal treatment because you are a woman.

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I love William Goldings' quote about women and equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

Fuck Gary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands."

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

"Those black people who need a day off sick, could take one. But if the company doesn't promote you because you took 12+ sick days last year, but Gary only took 2, you can't then complain about unequal treatment because you are a black person."

"Those suffering depression who need a day off sick, could take one. But if the company doesn't promote you because you took 12+ sick days last year, but Gary only took 2, you can't then complain about unequal treatment because you have depression."

"Those *with any other illness* who need a day off sick, could take one. But if the company doesn't promote you because you took 12+ sick days last year, but Gary only took 2, you can't then complain about unequal treatment because you have an illness."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand that there would be people who would use it as an excuse to not work and in some ways it could be hard to govern but it is something that needs to be looked at. "

Nods. And you know actually I don't think there are many people who'd use it as an excuse to play the system....that's still often the argument people are forcefed for no system change and acceptance of the status quo. Like the old everyone on benefits is lazy and refusing to get a job bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

Again, fuck Gary and his patriarchal supporters!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

Will Gary walk behind me mopping up blood from where I've been sitting and discreetly let me know that I've huge bloody patch on my clothes. If he does, I may consider him worthy of pinching my promotion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" As long as its reflected in their pay, sure

This.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Cry me a river.

23 percent is the estimated global gender pay gap according to the ILO's report 'Women at Work Trends 2016'

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By *ames6ft5Man
over a year ago

North London / Herts

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Men get paid more than women over the age of 30 for the same role on average.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry Bradford factor not barrnet forumla thats NI spending lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Men get paid more than women over the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Yep take a wild stab in the dark why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula"

Because that's the way the world works....is not a good argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

Because that's the way the world works....is not a good argument. "

Yes it is.

You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

Because that's the way the world works....is not a good argument.

Yes it is.

You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

Nope, reductionist argument point making. Jog on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula"

Actually there was a study done a while back stating that black men were the group most likely to suffer mental health problems. So yeah. As you say - that's just the way the world works.

Alright if you're an average white dude I guess - playing life on easy mode.

The fact is that talented people are passed over because companies refuse to understand individuals requirements. Allowing a person who had very heavy and painful periods a day or two off every month is likely to make them more productive and motivated the rest of the month, if they're not worrying about it, dreading it, and pumping their body full of hormones and drugs to try and avoid it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

Because that's the way the world works....is not a good argument.

Yes it is.

You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

Nope, reductionist argument point making. Jog on. "

Thst was her exact argument that you just praised.

People who tske more sick days dont get promoted because they sre unreliable.

The proposed situation 12 one day sicknesses is a terrible out come on the bradord factor and as such would have most employees facing dismissal let alone beinf rejected for promotion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

Because that's the way the world works....is not a good argument.

Yes it is.

You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

The one that is likely to be better at the job.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Men get paid more than women over the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Yep take a wild stab in the dark why"

Oh,you were doing so well too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

Whoever does better in the interview

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

Because that's the way the world works....is not a good argument.

Yes it is.

You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

Nope, reductionist argument point making. Jog on.

Thst was her exact argument that you just praised.

People who tske more sick days dont get promoted because they sre unreliable.

The proposed situation 12 one day sicknesses is a terrible out come on the bradord factor and as such would have most employees facing dismissal let alone beinf rejected for promotion

Whatever makes you feel better, lovely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula

Actually there was a study done a while back stating that black men were the group most likely to suffer mental health problems. So yeah. As you say - that's just the way the world works.

Alright if you're an average white dude I guess - playing life on easy mode.

Which study was this as its "white dudes" who are to be the biggest victims of sucide.

Bradford factor which most companies use rates multiple 1 day illnesses as the worst measure.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

If I could pay someone £2000 for 20 days work per month or someone else £2000 for 19 days work per month. All other relevant things being equal. It would not be a hard business decision to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You want to promote somone to an important position.

Who have 2 equal workers.

Both good employees both qualified both capable.

One takes 12+ sickness days a year one takes 2.

Which do you promote?

Whoever does better in the interview "

Quite true.

I know loads who can do twice as much work in a day than others.

Having s day off usually involves catching up on the work that piled up anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Men get paid more than women over the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Yep take a wild stab in the dark why

Oh,you were doing so well too. "

Years experience tends to hevily contribute in remuneration

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally think it shouldn't be allowed, but my periods aren't bad at all/non existent really so I guess that's why.

H xx"

Have you no empathy for women who suffer terribly with dysmenorrhea? You're saying, because it doesn't affect you, others shouldn't get time off?

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By *ames6ft5Man
over a year ago

North London / Herts

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Men get paid more than women over the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Yep take a wild stab in the dark why"

Good point why bother? You'll get tired of mysogenistic posting as a downtrodden cis white male soon enough, and delete your profile again. Or the expectations or sense of male entitlement will frustrate you when you come across real women on here rather than statistics. Only you know the reasons

Carry on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally think it shouldn't be allowed, but my periods aren't bad at all/non existent really so I guess that's why.

H xx

Have you no empathy for women who suffer terribly with dysmenorrhea? You're saying, because it doesn't affect you, others shouldn't get time off? "

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By *XmfcoupleXxCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

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over a year ago

See I know a woman and a man who were in the equivalent jobs. He on paper is more qualified than she is. She actually earns more than him, accomplishes significantly more than him, bails him him out when he is less effective and enables the business to grown more than he does. She has better relationships with most of the key stakeholders and is highly respected. However she has 48 times more time off 'sick' than he has. Who is more valuable to the organisation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can empathise ladies. I'm an affected Haemophilia carrier so suffer from horrendously bad periods. I manage to work by taking blood clotting medication otherwise I would not be able to leave the house for at least 3 days. I am lucky to have something that works for me but for those who suffer debilitating periods who cannot find a solution I sympathise whole heartedly with you. Those of you who have "normal" periods don't realise how lucky you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of my roles at work, is assisting colleagues with welfare and equality issues. Though I haven't specifically come across a case like the example made, I have dealt with older women who are going through "The change". This is similar in that it affects women in different ways and at different times and can be utterly horrendous or not quite as horrendous.

My view is that if a person is ill, be it physical or psychological, then that person is entitled to time off to recover. Just because it is a reoccurring condition should have no exception! Would we complain about someone going for monthly treatment for any other issue? I doubt it.

As for equality, this doesn't mean same work same pay. Thankfully we have the Employment law and also discrimination law, so if you didn't get a job based on your sickness record, and your sickness was for particularly painful period pains, on a regular basis, I would say you had a pretty good claim of discrimination based on gender, because that wouldn't happen to a man!

I could've just put yes they should on the top of this message but employees must understand that this can be a serious issue for some

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

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By *andVBCouple
over a year ago

Wrexham

Put another way "Should anyone with good reason expect flexibility and support from their employer?". Yes, yes they should.

There will be bad eggs that game the system, there always are. Most will appreciate the support and go above and beyond what is expected of them to repay the kindness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mine almost killed me, because of huge fibroids, and had to take sick days, until my hysterectomy.

If you can have sick days for shit pouring out of your arse, or sick out of your mouth you should be able to be off sick with blood pouring from your vagina.

But, it's not contagious, so not counted as an illness. "

That's slightly different though isn't it . That's not just periods

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put another way "Should anyone with good reason expect flexibility and support from their employer?". Yes, yes they should.

There will be bad eggs that game the system, there always are. Most will appreciate the support and go above and beyond what is expected of them to repay the kindness."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"One of my roles at work, is assisting colleagues with welfare and equality issues. Though I haven't specifically come across a case like the example made, I have dealt with older women who are going through "The change". This is similar in that it affects women in different ways and at different times and can be utterly horrendous or not quite as horrendous.

I could've just put yes they should on the top of this message but employees must understand that this can be a serious issue for some"

I'm substituting the use of the word 'employees' in your last sentence for 'eejits' on this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

It's usually bad enough that one has to seek medical treatment. They could bring a sick note in, after they have been confirmed by a gp.

I used to sit in work wearing 3 extra large sanitary towels and still leak through. When I stood up a flood of blood would leave my body.

It's not self inflicted. It's not brought on my bad diet or smoking. A man will never have the joys of dysmenorrhea. Women can't choose to have periods.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See I know a woman and a man who were in the equivalent jobs. He on paper is more qualified than she is. She actually earns more than him, accomplishes significantly more than him, bails him him out when he is less effective and enables the business to grown more than he does. She has better relationships with most of the key stakeholders and is highly respected. However she has 48 times more time off 'sick' than he has. Who is more valuable to the organisation?"

48 times?

So if he takes a week off sick she takes a year?

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By *XmfcoupleXxCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??"

Yes. Don't get me wrong I do sympathize with woman who have these issues, I myself have suffered horribly with bad periods for years I know how terrible it can be. However I do think it would be very easy to just use it as an excuse though! I have plenty of friends who use their periods to get out of work and they are not genuine!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mine almost killed me, because of huge fibroids, and had to take sick days, until my hysterectomy.

If you can have sick days for shit pouring out of your arse, or sick out of your mouth you should be able to be off sick with blood pouring from your vagina.

But, it's not contagious, so not counted as an illness.

That's slightly different though isn't it . That's not just periods "

We aren't talking about "just periods". We're talking about painful and debilitating dysmenorrhea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

48 times?

So if he takes a week off sick she takes a year?"

Yes that's the maths!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women get paid more than men under the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Men get paid more than women over the age of 30 for the same role on average.

Yep take a wild stab in the dark why

Carry on.

Wut?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

The proposed situation 12 one day sicknesses is a terrible out come on the bradord factor and as such would have most employees facing dismissal let alone beinf rejected for promotion

Yes but then those very same women would start claiming their periods were a disability and an expection to the Bradford Factor must be made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The proposed situation 12 one day sicknesses is a terrible out come on the bradord factor and as such would have most employees facing dismissal let alone beinf rejected for promotion

Yes but then those very same women would start claiming their periods were a disability and an expection to the Bradford Factor must be made."

Look see -- Garry ain't so bad at all!

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By *XmfcoupleXxCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

My point remains.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Mine almost killed me, because of huge fibroids, and had to take sick days, until my hysterectomy.

If you can have sick days for shit pouring out of your arse, or sick out of your mouth you should be able to be off sick with blood pouring from your vagina.

But, it's not contagious, so not counted as an illness.

That's slightly different though isn't it . That's not just periods

We aren't talking about "just periods". We're talking about painful and debilitating dysmenorrhea. "

The op wasn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

Then deal with the bad eggs. Don't treat everyone as if they are rotten

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By *XmfcoupleXxCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

My point remains. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mine almost killed me, because of huge fibroids, and had to take sick days, until my hysterectomy.

If you can have sick days for shit pouring out of your arse, or sick out of your mouth you should be able to be off sick with blood pouring from your vagina.

But, it's not contagious, so not counted as an illness.

That's slightly different though isn't it . That's not just periods

We aren't talking about "just periods". We're talking about painful and debilitating dysmenorrhea. "

Yes but the question was should women be allowed to take off time for periods and my answer was no. If the woman has other period related conditions then that's different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

In all of those cases the same would be true... bloody Gary is more deserving of the promotion, if all else is equal but Gary attended 2 more weeks last year than a rival...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck sake....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea..."

Nope one's finished eating...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have any of you ladies tried a moon cup? My periods are lighter, last for less and painfree now I use one.

It's not going to answer all of your problems but might be worth exploring.

S x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

Nope one's finished eating..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

In all of those cases the same would be true... bloody Gary is more deserving of the promotion, if all else is equal but Gary attended 2 more weeks last year than a rival... "

If all else is equal, the only difference being that he was there for two weeks more, they did the same work but over different time periods. Gary took longer to do the same work so would be less deserving.

As Estella says - fuck Gary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

Nope one's finished eating..."

Pft women can't cook. Everyone knows that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

Nope one's finished eating...

Pft women can't cook. Everyone knows that

Ah foolish, now *everyone* knows all your posts are idiotic jokes

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Definitely Not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

Like the ones phoning in sick when they have a hangover or fancy a day off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

Nope one's finished eating..."

Actually just started cooking, had to pop out to pick up my granddaughter and drop her home...

I disagree on the mysoginist label though, it obviously depends on the type of work how important / unimportant missing a days attendance may be.

If you work independently and outside of public contact that can often be flexible, in which case taking 12 Wednesdays off and replacing them with 12 Saturdays or 24 long days is fine. But it's not good if you are in a line of people adding the wot sit to the widget to make thingamejigs, the whole factory stops because you are not there.

It's harsh, but true.. my health issues are the reason I now work for myself most of the time, and only work for others on short term contracts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

Nope one's finished eating...

Actually just started cooking, had to pop out to pick up my granddaughter and drop her home...

I disagree on the mysoginist label though, it obviously depends on the type of work how important / unimportant missing a days attendance may be.

It's harsh, but true.. my health issues are the reason I now work for myself most of the time, and only work for others on short term contracts."

Of course you disagree. You're hardly going to embrace it, eh?

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

Like the ones phoning in sick when they have a hangover or fancy a day off. "

But we have policies and procedures in place to deal with those!

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

Like the ones phoning in sick when they have a hangover or fancy a day off.

But we have policies and procedures in place to deal with those! "

Only if you know they are doing it fraudulently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course you disagree. You're hardly going to embrace it, eh?

Well some times when it suits me

I don't see why I should be sympathetic in this case though, I lost out on promotion due to being a single parent, and in the end lost a very lucrative career due to cancer. If you are not up to delivering the requirements of the job, get a different job, simple as really

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea..."

By misogynist, did you mean a man who disagreed with a woman about an issue which you have decided only women can have an opinion on?

That seems to be the prevailing definition around here and it is sad that our rights are being fought for in such a mistrustful and disingenuous way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. There will be too many women who use it as an excuse and exploit it!

How about with a supporting GPs cetificate for those who suffer unmanagable periods for medical reasons??

So because your mates aren't very honest all women are to be treated as such, love your sympathy sista!

I'm saying there are people already who try to get out of work because of it who aren't genuine bringing this in would only make it easier for people to take advantage of the situation

Like the ones phoning in sick when they have a hangover or fancy a day off.

But we have policies and procedures in place to deal with those! "

How do you know they are lying?

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By *XmfcoupleXxCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

By misogynist, did you mean a man who disagreed with a woman about an issue which you have decided only women can have an opinion on?

That seems to be the prevailing definition around here and it is sad that our rights are being fought for in such a mistrustful and disingenuous way."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course you disagree. You're hardly going to embrace it, eh?

Well some times when it suits me

I'm sorry to hear you appear to have had a bad experience and have decided that everyone should be treated badly as a consequence (paraphrasing) .... rather selfish I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

By misogynist, did you mean a man who disagreed with a woman about an issue which you have decided only women can have an opinion on?

That seems to be the prevailing definition around here and it is sad that our rights are being fought for in such a mistrustful and disingenuous way."

Nope, that's not what I meant.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

By misogynist, did you mean a man who disagreed with a woman about an issue which you have decided only women can have an opinion on?

That seems to be the prevailing definition around here and it is sad that our rights are being fought for in such a mistrustful and disingenuous way.

Nope, that's not what I meant.

Cool. May I ask what you did mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course you disagree. You're hardly going to embrace it, eh?

Well some times when it suits me

I'm sorry to hear you appear to have had a bad experience and have decided that everyone should be treated badly as a consequence (paraphrasing) .... rather selfish I think. "

I didn't have a bad experience, I chose to do a lesser job for lower pay so I could have the privaledge of looking after my children when their mother died,

Part of the cost of that was others got promotion, while I got home at 5pm.

The I'll health issue was later, and getting pensioned off was the best deal for other me and the company, messing up my job could have cost others their jobs, so I had to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where'd all the misogynists go? P'raps they're having to cook their own tea...

By misogynist, did you mean a man who disagreed with a woman about an issue which you have decided only women can have an opinion on?

That seems to be the prevailing definition around here and it is sad that our rights are being fought for in such a mistrustful and disingenuous way.

Nope, that's not what I meant.

Cool. May I ask what you did mean?"

Do you disagree with my first post answering the OP?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course you disagree. You're hardly going to embrace it, eh?

Well some times when it suits me

I'm sorry to hear you appear to have had a bad experience and have decided that everyone should be treated badly as a consequence (paraphrasing) .... rather selfish I think.

I didn't have a bad experience, I chose to do a lesser job for lower pay so I could have the privaledge of looking after my children when their mother died,

Part of the cost of that was others got promotion, while I got home at 5pm.

The I'll health issue was later, and getting pensioned off was the best deal for other me and the company, messing up my job could have cost others their jobs, so I had to go. "

But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't"

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've only read the OP (I fear reading the thread might make

I don't. It should be taken as sick leave, unpaid if all the sick leave has been used, and should be managed in the same way as other recurrent absence.

I have managed hundreds of women over the course of my career and come across most gynaecological issues in the workplace. I have also been the woman debilitated by her periods (I bled gushingly every single day, bar 10, for over a year at one stage).

I am sympathetic but I also have a business to run (currently with an entirely female workforce).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it. "

It's the same with many womens issues though.

People chucking opinions around about things that never have and never will affect them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it. "

Exactly. I find other women the least sympathetic, and that's in general real world life too. Perhaps when people have had to walk to the bathroom with a bathroom towel clamped between their legs so that they don't leave a trail of blood for their children to spot and get upset by, they may change their minds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes in extreme cases. And those who suffer regularly should get a Dr's note which backs up their condition, to avoid having to repeatedly explain their sick time.

I know the argument that ladies could abuse the system, but I honestly couldn't think of anything more mortifying than having to explain to my male boss, and male HR representative that I've had sick time due to heavy and painful periods.

The thought I'd have to do that would be enough for me to never use it as an excuse, unless absolutely necessary.

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By *teveNW81Man
over a year ago

wigan

Nail on the head!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

That's what holidays/flexi days are for. I used to save my hours to take three days off each month. I've had two blood transfusions due to my periods. I also had an implant to stop the bleed even though I was sterilised.

I had an all might meeting...I had to leave as I'd gone through a box of tampons and always nights. I just had to work around it, I would not have expected special treatment. Just like I didn't when going through the menopause!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it. "

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

I realise we all feel the effects differently and make individual choices about this. I chose to drag myself into work (wearing incontinence pads) and have no social life because I had to work. I took my rest at the weekend, not seeing or speaking to anyone, in order to be strong enough to work. It may have made me an oddball and work isn't life but I really didn't expect any special dispensation for being female.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you work where you can have flexi days then great! I don't! I as much as possible go into work but there are times when it's not possible. I've just had the coil fitted, I will most likely have a hysterectomy in the next couple of years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to be a real lack of trust in colleagues and employees.

Yes they could take the piss but surely giving them flexibility when it comes to something stressful like this is likely to engender a sense of loyalty to the company/manager?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

That sounds terrible!

I just think it needs to be seen as a chronic condition. Like with any condition, time off should be allowed. Unfortunately, if you mention having a day off because of a period, it can be easily dismissed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No . It's a period not a disease or illness "

Maybe for you!For me isn't an issue!

But my best friend gets really ill,with sickness,dizziness and a lot of pain! Her periods are two weeks and heavy ! She never works the first day!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Hysterectomy saved my life. My mental health was deteriorating even more than normal by the time I was bleeding every day. I couldn't believe how much energy 'normal' people must have had after I experienced life without a constant loss of gore.

It is life-changing in a positive way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't" "

I don't have a lack of sympathy. sometimes life is a shit sandwich, other times its fish fingers and ketchup.

I just don't believe in equally rewarding people for achieving less, If you can't compete equally in a given job, get a different job, where you can. doesn't matter if the reason is because you have periods or because your arm fell off. Prove to me you can make the same number as widgets with one are as Gary can with 2 I will either pay you equally or sack Gary...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

What about dispensation for being unwell? I've agreed that I don't think it's an automatic right, but I do think there's still a lot of stigma around this type of medical illness rather than others and there needs to be system change on that. My arguments come when people start making over simplistic arguments to justify keeping the discussion closed down like "imagine there's nowt between these two candidates and Gary gets the job blah blah misrepresenting what equal opps is claptrap" (you'd have to read the thread). There's still stigma around certain individual's capability and competency over time in these discussions of women's health, mental health etc etc and it's all too easy to go the system is the system -- can't we have open, progressive dialogue and look where there can be systems change and the status quo can sometimes be challenged. Anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

It is pretty much a case of those who have not been through it cannot understand it.

As I said I am fortunate enough that medication does enough of a job for me to be able to go to work. Otherwise it would be near impossible for me to leave the house for at least 3 days each month. So I can see exactly where you are coming from xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't"

I don't have a lack of sympathy. sometimes life is a shit sandwich, other times its fish fingers and ketchup.

But it doesn't matter what job I have, if I'm having a bad month due to my period I won't be able to work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Days of for a period ? Next you women will want time off for child birth ! I've seen call the midwife.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't"

I don't have a lack of sympathy. sometimes life is a shit sandwich, other times its fish fingers and ketchup.

But it doesn't matter what job I have, if I'm having a bad month due to my period I won't be able to work. "

Get a job where flexible working is available, move your hours around.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

That sounds terrible!

It was terrible and I never dismiss what any woman tells me they are experiencing. I have never ended a woman's employment because of their gynae issues but I have changed their work patterns and roles and encouraged them to do what they can to address the issue, including the mental ill-health that can be experienced.

There have been times when my sympathy HAS been stretched with women who are only ever in too much pain for work but manage to well enough for all nighters and sex marathons with their boyfriends. For those, the issue may include their period but is usually about some unhappiness in their role which needs to be addressed. Those women help none of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't"

I don't have a lack of sympathy. sometimes life is a shit sandwich, other times its fish fingers and ketchup.

You're so totally missing my point. And making it about one arbitrary scenario, whilst ignoring those who put forward answers to you based on your scenario. Do you disagree with my answer to the OP? I'm merely disagreeing that an answer to the OP is about the simplistic scenario you put forward, because I think it makes you come across *insert word here*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Days of for a period ? Next you women will want time off for child birth ! I've seen call the midwife.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't"

I don't have a lack of sympathy. sometimes life is a shit sandwich, other times its fish fingers and ketchup.

But it doesn't matter what job I have, if I'm having a bad month due to my period I won't be able to work.

Get a job where flexible working is available, move your hours around. "

If you would like to suggest one or find me one, then carry on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You might want to read all my comments not just one

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By *eliciousladyWoman
over a year ago

Sometimes U.K

"Its a natural process, adjust your expectations and woman up !"

Yep, struggle on. Obviously some suffer more than others do, doesn't mean taking time off work though. Many women have suffered much more and cope.

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By *ames6ft5Man
over a year ago

North London / Herts

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

It's the same with many womens issues though.

People chucking opinions around about things that never have and never will affect them

Firstly, I am of the view debilitating period pain and related serious gynaecological health issues like endometriosis should absolutely be treated fairly under workplace sickness policy. I also appreciate that all benefits/rights/entitlements need to be balanced against business constraints and a sensible balance struck. If an economy cannot support something it cannot support something - but women being effective contributors in the work place is fundamental to a modern post-industrial economy. I think we don't, by and large, go too far wrong in the UK and with EU judgements.

However I do think it's a dangerous path to use the argument that if you can't or haven't personally experienced something you cannot make a meaningful contribution to the debate. That's a very difficult position to take. On menstrual issues most men can and do read, they can talk to and listen to those who have or do suffer. Many men have sisters, girlfriends, long term partners, friends, and of course mothers. Just as a woman can be a public health official making judgements on prostate cancer detection and treatment strategies, men can have a valid view on period pain and it's consideration in workplace sick policies. Hell, a woman can even take a view on man flu believe it or not.

"People chucking opinions around about things that never have and never will affect them "

- my point is we can all do this, and all have to do this every day. If you're not willing to objectively assess and debate an issue or troll then a community generally (not always) finds you out and your words carry ever decreasing currency. This is how we deal with this.

I seem to have badly broken my rule today of not engaging in serious fab threads - it is a fools errand, I will stop. Face Pic Friday and other shenanigans in the morning

James x

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

Nail on the head!"

Well said...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You might want to read all my comments not just one "

I concur, you did elaborate from your opening point -- which could be read either way. And you did expand that debilitating illness stemming from periods was a different situation. I don't think the poster saw that. Which can be understood in haste.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

I do make dispensation for being unwell but it's on an individual basis. I understand the stigma, the artificial 'weightings' people give to different types of illness and the gendering of these. I still don't expect a dispensation for being female and the absence is an absence. I treat it as such.

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By *airymagicWoman
over a year ago

goblin city

Right let's get a grip, you can't cope having a period use a holiday up.

Don't drag the rest of us down with your cray Cray, my periods are horrific but I'll be damned if it effects my carer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nail on the head!

Well said...

I don't disagree with this -- until medical complications and illness is part of the experience of the period. I'd hope that would be the same for those agreeing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Right let's get a grip, you can't cope having a period use a holiday up.

Don't drag the rest of us down with your cray Cray, my periods are horrific but I'll be damned if it effects my carer

You get a carer for when you have your periods! Pfffft!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

Which was my positioning too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

That sounds terrible!

I 100% agree! Also, giving that flexibility is such a good idea, but I do agree that I don't think everyone should be given a default day off a month, because, like you say, there will be those who abuse it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

That sounds terrible!

Personally my reasoning against a default day off is not worry of abuse of it but that not every woman needs it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want equality you have to compete equally.

Also IF large amounts of women started taking an extra 2 to 4 weeks + a year off of work, the damage to women in the workplace would be huge.

I don't want equality.

I want equity that acknowledges we were dealt different physical hands.

I really wish people could educate themselves that equal ops is not treat the same.

I mean, imagine if you changed the quote:

All of those examples are how the world works though.

If you take more sick days for any reason from colds to cancer (not sure why black counts a s sick day though) you will be lower on the scale for promotion.

Also what your proposing 12 singke day absences fucks you royslly on the barnet formula"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone knows where I could buy a tampax from ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

That sounds terrible!

Personally my reasoning against a default day off is not worry of abuse of it but that not every woman needs it. "

Yes, maybe I should've been clearer but that too. There will be those who don't need it and those who abuse it.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility? "

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

Having a period is not the same as being ill ... what some of you have described as extreme circumstances is not your general run of the mill period .... endemetriosis etc are illneses ... so sick days are valid ... its not a day off for a period its a day for an illness

But much like someone else has said they still count against you as sick days ... not because you are a woman but because you are unfortunate enough to also have an illness , the same as someone with depression, or ibs, or migraines, or arthirits, back problems ... anythjng else that can flare up regularly ... its just the shitty hand that life can deal some people ... i like to think of myself as a feminist until i read some of this bullshit where people dont just want equality they want put on a pedestal for being a woman and it makes me roll my eyes and think no wonder they treat us like arseholes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But your lack of sympathy seems to be a case of "I didn't get to...so they shouldn't"

I don't have a lack of sympathy. sometimes life is a shit sandwich, other times its fish fingers and ketchup.

But it doesn't matter what job I have, if I'm having a bad month due to my period I won't be able to work.

Get a job where flexible working is available, move your hours around. "

Endometriosis/fibroids etc can occur at any time in a woman's life. They will probably already be in a job. You want them to go hunting for a new job, where they would have to disclose their medical problems. Do you think they would be hired?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

Exactly. You manage the absence based on that individual's circumstances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

You cannot tell me there is no medication or contraception that can be provided to reduce these symptoms

if you are bleeding through a bathroom towel rather than a sanitary towel i cant understand how your body is coping with that level of blood loss on a regular basis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

I may be wrong, but I felt that even those supporting the idea on the thread were only doing so on the basis of what was potentially further illness, diagnosed or not, not just expecting a day off for a run of the mill period. Although OP perhaps is meaning run of the mill period, but even then who knows if the elaborations she discusses on her own experiences may be something more serious?

Not sure anyone was asking or proposing being put on a pedestal. Seems a little harsh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

You cannot tell me there is no medication or contraception that can be provided to reduce these symptoms

if you are bleeding through a bathroom towel rather than a sanitary towel i cant understand how your body is coping with that level of blood loss on a regular basis "

The body doesn't cope

I became severly anaemic a few years ago before being put on blood clotting medication which fortunately works for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You might want to read all my comments not just one

Oh yes o completely understand - just wanted to point out I had made other comments

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

You cannot tell me there is no medication or contraception that can be provided to reduce these symptoms

if you are bleeding through a bathroom towel rather than a sanitary towel i cant understand how your body is coping with that level of blood loss on a regular basis "

There are things but they don't work for everyone. There was nothing I could take and your body does suffer. That's the point. The only thing that absolutely works is an hysterectomy, but even then some doctors are reluctant to perform one and will make you wait for the menopause, dismissing it as 'just a period'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You might want to read all my comments not just one

Oh yes o completely understand - just wanted to point out I had made other comments "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

You cannot tell me there is no medication or contraception that can be provided to reduce these symptoms

if you are bleeding through a bathroom towel rather than a sanitary towel i cant understand how your body is coping with that level of blood loss on a regular basis "

In an idea world there are a few things that could work, for me they haven't so far. I use a towel for when I've got up and I know that there is about to be a severe leakage problem as I move. I don't want my young children to see blood running down my legs. Unfortunately I don't have that option at work, I work with young children so rather than them witness that, i take time off if I need too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

Not sure anyone was asking or proposing being put on a pedestal. Seems a little harsh."

People have specifically posted saying i dont want equality i want equity for my circumstances ... that to me is looking for a pedestal for being a "poor biologically disadvantaged woman" and i completely disagree with it

And if we are only supporting the idea of time of for further illness then the entire thread is a moot point because it actually has nothing to do with periods ... its exactly as you have described ... time off for further illness ... but thats not the name of the thread its time off for periods

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

Not sure anyone was asking or proposing being put on a pedestal. Seems a little harsh.

I guess it's because they are issues which mainly become prevelant during a womans' period.

I don't think any right minded person would expect time off work for having a 'normal' period.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

Not sure anyone was asking or proposing being put on a pedestal. Seems a little harsh.

The equity comment was posted about illness. That was my understanding.

And if the conclusion drawn is a no to the thread title as it is semantically written, it doesn't make it a moot post to begin with. Surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

You cannot tell me there is no medication or contraception that can be provided to reduce these symptoms

if you are bleeding through a bathroom towel rather than a sanitary towel i cant understand how your body is coping with that level of blood loss on a regular basis

The body doesn't cope

I became severly anaemic a few years ago before being put on blood clotting medication which fortunately works for me

Then that absolutely is an illness ... and i cant understand why there is any debate as to having time off ... man or woman anyone in the workplace is entitled to time off for being sick

But the further comments below sound like there is a bigger issue with the medical profession if they are reluctant to perform a hysterectomy when it is required rather than it being a workplace issue ... if there is no available medication that works then a medical procedure that is available should be accesible surely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol"

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out "

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out "

Shake it all about??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out "

Or in

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Periods are a part of life. Before I get poor me blah blah, I have always worked and ended up with a hysterectomy at 46. One womans excruciating pain another woman just lives with. I used to carry a toilet bag, spare clothes, tampons, pads, knickers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you? "

In a pussy ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you?

In a pussy ?

You've seen one??

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you?

In a pussy ?

But where does the pussy get them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you?

In a pussy ?

You've seen one??"

Probably pulled it out with his teeth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you?

In a pussy ?

You've seen one??

Probably pulled it out with his teeth

Oooh he is a sexy beast that man..

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Can anyone re-cap? I've been out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well..... This turned into a blood bath quickly didn't it lol

Hahaha

Get the tampax out

Oh you've figured out where to buy them now have you?

In a pussy ?

You've seen one??

But where does the pussy get them?

Only seen one in a movie once.

I havd heard an urban legend, the pussy get them from a little store for period

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Oh too late. Oh well. Anyone fancy a fuck, rather than getting your knickers in a twist on a swinging forum?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The body doesn't cope

I became severly anaemic a few years ago before being put on blood clotting medication which fortunately works for me

Then that absolutely is an illness ... and i cant understand why there is any debate as to having time off ... man or woman anyone in the workplace is entitled to time off for being sick

It is down to the doctor you see. I am lucky that when I made the decision that I wanted an hysterectomy I was given the date, surgeon and type of hysterectomy I requested. Someone close to me has been refused even though all the non-surgical options she has diligently tried over the last five years have all failed.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Clem, I heard on the radio today that knickers were only worn by prostitutes in the olden days. Ladies went without.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course Clem -- general consensus was no, women shouldn't get a day off just because their wombs shed but women's further menstrual complications where they are clinically debilitating should be understood as any other medical condition. Concerns re the continuing dismissal of the validity in some places of legitimate menstrual illness. Discussions on work promotions based on sick leave. Gary appears to do well both with a promotion and getting fucked. Viva women's equality just don't say periods should be heralded as sacred. They shouldn't. And FnB once saw a tampax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Period.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

Amd while we are on the subject never trust a creature that bleeds for a week and doesn't die

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would be happy to catch up that day later in the month though. But where is the flexibility?

but this is a completely different view point to those just just want extra days off for being a woman with periods

Not sure anyone was asking or proposing being put on a pedestal. Seems a little harsh.

The equity comment was posted about illness. That was my understanding.

And if the conclusion drawn is a no to the thread title as it is semantically written, it doesn't make it a moot post to begin with. Surely?"

The whole way down this thread people refer to "womens issues" and are connecting this time off and being treated "unfairly" because of it as something that only women will experience and should have an opinion in when in fact all the valid arguements for time off refer to an illnes ... not the period itself ... just because the illness relates to having a period doesnt make it any less of an illness ... so it should be managed in the same way as any other illness which transcends gender ... its no longer an issue ... so maybe my wording was wrong but by moot point what i was trying to say is all these people seem to be arguing for the op here and about their dreadful periods and having it hard as a woman and needing time off for it when to me it feels like a moot point because they are actually referring to genuine illness which already there are systems in place to deal to

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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I didn't know that about knickers. But I'm pleased to be wearing some! Thanks for the re-cap! Id have thought time off should be available for menstrual pain. Should it be paid? Open to debate. Should women who use this leave be open to scrutiny over periodicity....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're discussing it. There's many who feel the illness associated with their period is belittled or dismissed because people are pushing it into being "just a period" -- if the discussion gave anyone a sense of legitimisation that no, that's an illness not run of the mill (and that could be readers rather than posters) then it's a worthwhile thread. There are many things with due process in place in the world, doesn't mean people are getting it -- sometimes just having a discussion is ok. I just found it abrasive to dismiss a discussion as moot in that way, whilst not disagreeing with your stance on the main answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women who suffer terribly with periods due to conditions like endometriosis or fibroids need to be allowed that time to rest without the pressure of feeling they're taking a day off unfairly.

I find it funny reading these threads. Many people who don't suffer or have even had a period in their life, passing judgement on it.

I had endometriosis and fibroids, which added to my already prevalent anaemia, and not made any easier my my autoimmune disease.

That sounds terrible!

Personally my reasoning against a default day off is not worry of abuse of it but that not every woman needs it.

Yes, maybe I should've been clearer but that too. There will be those who don't need it and those who abuse it. "

How do you make the decision of whsts taking the piss and what is justified?

It would be a nightmare for a business.

Would a doctor even give a note or an exam for it what would he jidge it one?

Is it goint ro be like fuel leaks you have so many drips per miniute before you qualify as sick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You really think you're funny, don't you? I'm definitely laughing at you.

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