FabSwingers.com forum: Is Emma Watson anti-feminist for exposing her breasts?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist?

My view apart from the fact it's not news and shouldn't be on a news site, is that the whole non story only happened because some women on twitter were insecure in their own bodies, and attacked her for being good looking and having an excellent make up artist.

Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras...

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

"Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist?

Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..."

Feminism is about choice, she chose to do it so yep more about jealousy I'd say, bloody tree huggers!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feminism shmenism Its shite how everyone is trying to be better than someone / equal to someone else

Just be yourselves, jeez.

. If they don't respect you for who you are, why try to change their mind, fuck em, life's to short.

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

I would shag her

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would shag her

Whilst respecting her feminist views of course

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

"I would shag her

Whilst respecting her feminist views of course

She express her feminist views with me

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It does raise a question about what is feminism for, she is female, sucessful, and I think possibly quite good in her chosen work. certainly rich enough to be as independent as she wants to be.

I do hope she is also confident enough to look at the twitter storm, shrug and think 'losers'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?"

The actress from harry potter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?"

The little girl in Harry Potter

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?"

That is because she is a good enough actor to create the character she is playing, I think... seen the name on quite a few credits, but without the pic on the BBC website I too would have wondered who she was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems the world is looking for an argument. In a supposed world where every effort, means and rules promote equality and tolerance, everyone has to have a label to be catagorised into. Race, colour, religion, sexual persuasion, hair colour, weight, shape..... FFS, will people stop looking for a fight!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?

The little girl in Harry Potter

Rather scarily that was 16 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't believe they cast her as Belle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?

The little girl in Harry Potter

Not so little anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to guess that a load of people with no idea what feminism actually is are going to slag off their perception of feminism and women in general on this thread...

Good luck to her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Must be a slow news day.

'Hermione get tits out' makes headline news

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Seems the world is looking for an argument. In a supposed world where every effort, means and rules promote equality and tolerance, everyone has to have a label to be catagorised into. Race, colour, religion, sexual persuasion, hair colour, weight, shape..... FFS, will people stop looking for a fight!!!! "

That is very true, I grew up through the era when it became legal acceptable and normal to be gay, Now the gay pride marchers are divided into different groups fighting about what gay means and who owns it.

Guess this is the same.

Either that or child actors are supposed to get fat and die of drug overdose at 20, not carry on acting.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist?

Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..."

and campaigning with no cloths shoving crucifixes up your anus in the Vatican which one group did 2 years ago ish. And the last time it was dove after 1706.

ok so coming from humanist male is probably not best but this type of feminism failes to tackle the main issues of FGM, of women still dying in child birth in 3rd world countries, equal rights in the middle east, domestic abuse and the rolling back of punishments and support for victims and their families in Russia and the fact as Lauren Pankhurst said on internatinal women's day "their is a masoygynist as the most powerful man in the world"

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist?

Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..."

I think that was a myth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats the type of feminism I love

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

The BBC put the anti-feminist slur headline based in some Twitter posts.

But then in the body of the story quote two feminism expert organisations who praise Emma Watson for work she has done and the photos.

This more like tabloid bollocks than what a public funded organisation should be doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would shag her

Whilst respecting her feminist views of course

Obviously only if it was her choice!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I looked at the article you're talking about...

I don't think she is anti-feminist for exposing her breasts, no. However, the article discusses her opinion that women are sexualized too often in relation to that decision to show her breasts. That raises more questions.

The problem, I think, is that people don't really think through complicated issues like feminism and sexualization. I can't speak for Emma Watson, but for me the sexualization of women by society can run counter to feminist principles. However, female empowerment also entails the ability to sexualize ourselves if we want to. So feminism would support the power of a woman to take control of her own body and mind how she sees fit - including exposing her breasts for a photo.

Sexualization, and it's connection to feminism, isn't a simple issue. It doesn't just come down to naked vs clothed. When people divorce these decisions from the power of the individual to choose or the message they are trying to convey then they lose the meaning of the terms themselves.

Having said all of that, it also depends very heavily on your understanding of feminism. Modern feminism, in my opinion, has taken positions that I personally feel do more to harm the empowerment of women than to help it. But I don't suppose this is the place to discuss the nuanced contentions of modern feminist theories.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

just thought. . . Angela White is a lecturer in feminist studies bit is also a pornstar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its just media bollocks. The age of celebrity. Personally I don't watch the news or read the papers. I tend to pick up bits here and there while listening to the radio in the car. Stories like these are a dime a dozen and will be forgotten next week.

As for feminism...well, i like the Ghandi quote, "Be the change that you wish to see in the world"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess this is the same.

Either that or child actors are supposed to get fat and die of drug overdose at 20, not carry on acting. "

Out of interest what are you basing your perception of Gay Pride marches on?

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"I looked at the article you're talking about...

well I don't mind you talking in the forums about it, I have found what you have written deeply revealing, enligterning and unearthly fascinating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination"

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB"

A pleb is was during the imperial error the lowest of the citizen class. its like calling someone a peasant.

there is nothing sexial about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB"
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Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB.

Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

Is this an actual event? The pleb comment could be part of an ongoing sexual discrimination issue. Lots of women are discriminated against at work by ignorant people. A small number of people will play a discrimination card, but that doesn't mean a sexism in general isn't a problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB.

Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB.

Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?"

I aint never talked to her like she is shit, you just made that up off the top of yer head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB.

Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

I dont know where you work but where I work alot of the girls know the score and how to game it, they aint daft and they openly tell you about it and best way to get off anything

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Ohh sounds like a lovely place to work !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since feminism is about equal opportunities it's only fair that she can pose topples, after all harry Potter and neville Longbottom both did it, so why can't she? She's intelligent enough that it was her choice.

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

This probably isn't going to go down well but women use feminism and their sexuality when it suits them, a classic example is in the work place we are manipulative by nature. I'm as guilty as the next woman at times and have definitely benefited from being a female working in a male dominated environment in the past and why not everyone was happy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB.

Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?

I aint never talked to her like she is shit, you just made that up off the top of yer head

No I based it on your repeated eferals to her as a right pleb

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it.

Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination

If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex.

MrB.

Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman

And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks

And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?

I aint never talked to her like she is shit, you just made that up off the top of yer head

No I based it on your repeated eferals to her as a right pleb"
, so what!

Thats coz I was taking about her and not to her

You know people call trump a cunt all the time on here but they aint gonna in real life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I looked at the article you're talking about...

That was a very interesting contribution and, for me, only highlighted the minefield of this topic.it would seem to me that feminism has many shades beneath the same banner and the opinions will reflect this from relaxed to hardcore. It is a land of shifting sands...

Emma Watson's viewpoint, in the BBC interview I saw, was that feminism is about having equality and personal choice and it was her choice to be photographed in this way. That's fine then but what gets my goat about this is the timing of it to coincide with the promotion of a movie so is it truly about personal choice? Or is it about exploiting the likely furore to get publicity for said film?

If I was a total cynic I would suggest that amiss Watson and her PR team know what they are doing by having such a photo done knowing that it would inflame the more hardcore feministas and thereby drum up yet more coverage for her film.

Which, if the case, would not only be shameless but sully her feminist credibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I looked at the article you're talking about...

Well said Marc...

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

All the arguing aside, where are said boobs

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By *ikstupp2Man
over a year ago

london

"All the arguing aside, where are said boobs"
just googled em lol.ther not big but they suit her frame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boring

I just looked at the boobs picture

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?

The little girl in Harry Potter

The 26 year old woman who used to be in Harry Potter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?

The little girl in Harry Potter

The 26 year old woman who used to be in Harry Potter."

Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist

We all know she's no longer a little girl - but that's what she's remembered for!

It was in answer to somone that vouldnt place her - not to imply she's a little girl!

And anyway who gives a fuck if she's got her tits out or not!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I looked at the article you're talking about...

Which, if the case, would not only be shameless but sully her feminist credibility."

Very good point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?

The little girl in Harry Potter

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I think you will find she's an adult now

My oldest daughter kinda hero worships her and has recently written a piece on feminism for her English exam. She talked about mwalah, Emma Watson, Kurt cobain and dissed Axl. (Yes she is currently banned from the flat

). I don't really understand this feminism lark but I do think that we should be able to be in control of our own lives and we should take ownership of our thoughts and feelings.

PTU XXX

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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feminism tends to be against the objectification of women (by men), but it also gives women the right to choose whether they objectify themselves.

there's other things too, like does being a woman put you into awkward situations you don't wanna be in?

like you can get your tits out for your job if you choose to do that, but did you have to do that against your will because, as a woman, you are desperate for money?

did you have to do it, or did someone else objectify you, this is mainly what feminism is against.

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

There not really out anyway

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent

I was once in a bar playing darts and Emma Watson was there. She was talking about buying a hat.

Some feminist!!

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Ok just googled it and wow people have pasted her head on so many pics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Reasonable tits for a skinny chick, but she'll soon forget about all that feminist nonsense when she snares herself a husband.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad!

"Feminism is open to interpretation"

– Whilst I tend to agree with you, should it be open to interpretation?

"Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it"

– Who shames you?

"There are huge areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by"

– Can you tell us any more about these areas? I am genuinely interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Must be a slow news day.

'Hermione get tits out' makes headline news"

Particularly since it was already "internet news" over a week ago and shes already responded to it in an interview basically saying hello feminism is about equality and choice , wear a dress, dont wear a dress, like you life like this , dont live you life like that ... whatever you choose! Its not a stick to beat other women with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reasonable tits for a skinny chick, but she'll soon forget about all that feminist nonsense when she snares herself a husband."

Yes, but if she does "snare herself a husband" then that will be through 'personal choice'?!

As someone else stated here, the feminism is "open to interpretation" and that means that these personal choices will always create conflicts between the two sides of the feminist scales.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..."

men with moobs don't wear a bra though. why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Which, if the case, would not only be shameless but sully her feminist credibility.

Or more likely ... magazines run articles on people of current interest to the public

Emma is playing a lead role in a big upcoming blockbuster so she fits that profile

Vanity fair often so images of this style so have done similar

The "outraged feminists" (not my description of all feminists just the ones that want to fight amongst themselves) were already pissed at her for playing belle as they see her as glorifyig and romanticising a character abused by a male so this was another opportunity to shoot down emma as "not being feminist"

I really dont understand when one feminist turns on the other to say you are not doing this properly ... surely it should all just be about highlighting the inequalities that exist in whichever areas you feel are relevant to you and it all comes together as a bigger picture ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So Emma Watson, voices her thoughts and opinions, last year, regarding female opportunities, or lack of, emphasising equality and feminism.

She stood on some powerful media platforms, and largely didn't attract the full exposure, she expected or felt her feminist views, demanded, on behalf of all women.

It was quite well timed, to coincide with the Trump/Clinton US Presidency race, whereupon every female was urged to vote Hilary, the sisterhood vote (no I'm not pro trump either) .

Anyway, Emma's feminist voice, fell on flat tits.

So she then spends several award ceremonies and other media PR, reiterating how women are downtrodden and subject to awful life circumstances, blah blah blah.

So new year arrives, and Emma gets her tits out. It captures the media attention, far more than what she actually said.

That's modern feminism apparently....

Sky news remarked upon it the other day "if David beckham poses in his pants, no one cares, so why the outrage over Emma's topless photo" ?

I'd suggest, that as Emma is trying to emphasise her intelligence and feminist beliefs, and be taken seriously, getting your tits out, may be your right, and a way to get your point across, but she set feminism back a few steps with the conduct.

David Beckham, has never uttered any words that mean anything, at any time, in his media career. He kicked a football. That's it.

He's not trying to be a spokesman for anything worthwhile. Beckham getting his tits out, is all he can do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Or more likely ... magazines run articles on people of current interest to the public

Emma is playing a lead role in a big upcoming blockbuster so she fits that profile

Vanity fair often so images of this style so have done similar

The PR campaign for this film will have been mapped out well before release and I just wonder what role Miss Watson's photo played in that, to garner max publicity?

But you are almost certainly correct about the motivations of some hardcore feminists who wish to decry her roles for not matching their own values... it just goes to show that like most causes these days it is becoming a battleground fought out online by two sides who cannot, or who are not willing, to see the others sides viewpoint. People just tune out, disengage from the topic and let others battle it out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact?

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over a year ago

Not familiar with the story but maybe she was using reverse psychology to show that her voice as a female isn't given the same platform as her 'female assets'.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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Feminism is a broad church and ultimately relates to core principles of equality and liberty.

There are always people attacking celebrity life and this seems similar. She's fine and I wish her well

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over a year ago

"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? "

How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her?

This is another thing that gets me with the way feminists are viewed ... it doesnt have to be evident in every single thing you do ... not every action is a calculated move to send a message ... you are still allowed to do things "just because you want to" ... maybe she just liked the pose the photographer suggested and thought i look good in that, yes show it in the magazine

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over a year ago

Besides her its werent even out anyway ... she showed some cleavage and ive probably seen just as much if not more in town on a saturday night in low cut dresses and definitely more on a beach in bikinis

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By *ovely_and_HimselfCouple
over a year ago

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Feminism, ultimately, is about equality.

It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone

In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property

It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue.

Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused

That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth'

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over a year ago

"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact?

How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her?

In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media?

I don't think her showing her breasts negates her feminist viewpoint....but at the very least it makes her a bit of a hypocrite, surely? To criticize the sexualization of women and then go to a photoshoot promoting her new film and showing her breasts? Even if the choice to show her breasts wasn't meant to have a message, the act itself contradicts her prior words.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact?

How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her?

In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media?

Her breasts are sexualised by default because of society and not because she sexualised them.

Does showing her own body in a realistic way really make her a hypocrite? I don't think it does.

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over a year ago

"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact?

How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her?

In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media?

Her breasts are sexualised by default because of society and not because she sexualised them.

Does showing her own body in a realistic way really make her a hypocrite? I don't think it does."

No. Criticizing how other women show their bodies does, though. She chose to voice concerns about oversexualization. She had to know doing a photoshoot in that top would raise questions about her other comments.

I don't personally give a crap what she wears or how much of her body she chooses to show. But I do think that if a prominent individual decides to make themself a voice for a specific cause, they need to recognize that their public image will be scrutinized accordingly. Ultimately it can do more harm than good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually dont think its a sexual picture in any way ... people are just assuming its sexual because they can see a hint of boob

So if someone has kids , decides to breast feed in public and gets a boob out has she sexualised herself?

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them.

It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body.

Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact?

How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her?

In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media?

Her breasts are sexualised by default because of society and not because she sexualised them.

Does showing her own body in a realistic way really make her a hypocrite? I don't think it does.

Well, my own personal opinion is that anyone saying a woman can't be this or that isn't actually a feminist.

But i think her comments have been taken out of context here.

And i'm not and emma watson expert so could be wrong, but she was talking about the sexualisation of women in general, and did mention names yes.

She was sexualised as a child, and as soon as she was 16 it was way more obvious in the media this had happened, so i don't think it matters what she does really, the media will attack her coz they sexualised her from when young/barely legal and they just want to continue doing that and not look like depraved perverts in the process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who cares if she shows a tit or not close this fuckin thread for god sakes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Feminists! Trying to do what men do ...badly!! Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be female...concentrate on what we do well...and stop looking for a leg up or statute to crowbar us into jobs we wouldn't normally be equipped to do..it just highlights our short comings and makes a mockery of all we've achieved in the last 60 years

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over a year ago

"Feminism is open to interpretation"

– Whilst I tend to agree with you, should it be open to interpretation?

"Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it"

– Who shames you?

"There are huge areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by"

– Can you tell us any more about these areas? I am genuinely interested.

I do think it should be open to interpretation, as with a lot of things. Feminism is going to mean different things to different people.

As for the body shaming, this is something that happens constantly by not having men and other women. A lot of people feel it's their right to tell women what they should do with their bodies. Most of the time, if a man was taking his clothes off for money, the reactions would be different. This is an area I feel conflicted in because while I don't want breasts sexualised to a point where even breastfeeding is frowned upon, I myself, show my breasts on here to be sexual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nCCg_x2F7v8

This is Emma's he for she UN speech and its brilliant... completely agree with the points about equal rights for boys as well as girls and gender being a spectrum rather than 2 opposing views

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Lots of good and some fun points made on the thread, the only photo I saw was the one on the BBC news website from her Vogue photo set.

Personally I agree with the sentiment that this has nothing to do with feminism new or old, but is a sad state bought on by the baying hounds of twitter packs.

Probably no real femininist's among them until the baying got loud enough.

Plus of course the timing generates publicity for her new movie, that is how she makes a living. Nothing wrong with that... unless the tweets came from the film company of course

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over a year ago

As far as i understand feminism its about women wanting equality and not to be persecuted or seen as a sex object

Hmmmm let me see she chose to get her tits out yes but does that make her a sex object also yes.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

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are we not forgetting people that art had used nude as a way of showing vulnerability or strengh not arousal now Im not suggesting it in this case.

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over a year ago

"As far as i understand feminism its about women wanting equality and not to be persecuted or seen as a sex object

Hmmmm let me see she chose to get her tits out yes but does that make her a sex object also yes."

And therin lies the problem ... thats not the definition of feminism but its been skewed to br about sex and man hating

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over a year ago

"As far as i understand feminism its about women wanting equality and not to be persecuted or seen as a sex object

Hmmmm let me see she chose to get her tits out yes but does that make her a sex object also yes."

Men or women can be seen as sex objects fully naked or in suits, dresses jeans even burkas.

To be honest it neither raises or lowers my opinion of any political message she or others may wish to spout.

As mentioned above you have seen her acting in more films than you remember because she plays and bocomes the character, unlike for instance Jason Statham whos films I love to watch because he plays Jason Statham doing stuff that's fun to watch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly, choosing to make Emma Watson the face of modern Feminism (knowing her influence to young males on the internet (which is very extreme - look at reddit whenever her name is mentioned)) was kind of abusing the whole concept anyway.

IMO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Holy fuck it's a fucking tit, Jesus Christ why are we still dealing with this shit.

She consented to display her own body in such a way and this has nothing to do with her personal views which determine that all genders should be given equal opportunities in life - like everyone in the world should unless you're an asshole.

Unfortunately even some feminists have fallen into the trap of straw-feminism.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unfortunately even some feminists have fallen into the trap of straw-feminism. "

Oi, not having any of that PC crap in here, it is, always has been and always will be straw-man. Never will we accept straw-persons, straw-women, or straw-feminists....

It's medicine O'clock now and vodka is flowing freely this evening.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Would this be all better if women stopped telling other women how they should act and realise that different people have different values amd that is ok?

Equality is not about everyone agreeing with your interpretation of what is right.

It is about everyone getting the opportunity to act in a reasonable manner and make their way in life unimpeded by pointless barriers based on outmoded nonsense.

Let's not jump on a BBC bashing bandwagon like the predictable cretins do every time morons start rattling on about what "proper feminism" is.

The BBC are simply reporting on a story which has been made in social media by stupid fuckwits who need to be heard to exist and who rely on inequality to give them worth and a cause. Feminists of this nature need women to be seen as inferior of they lose all direction and worth, it is pathetic and destructive to the really important causes that must be addressed if great swathes of the world are not going to live in intolerable conditions.

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over a year ago

"Feminism, ultimately, is about equality.

It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone

In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property

It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue.

Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused

That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth' "

Awesome so i assume you will be in full favour of and campaigning for women to do thier fair share of dying in the workplace?

After all if a supposed 3% pay differnce was worth fighting for the fact women only make up 5% of workplace deaths mwans you really want to fight hard for that extra 45% to make things equal yeah?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

worlds a funny ol' place, getting so het up over a couple of boobs.......

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Feminism sheminism .. How much dosh did she get for flashing her tits .. what better way is there for a celebrity girl to get publicity ... It's breast exposaar

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"Feminism, ultimately, is about equality.

It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone

In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property

It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue.

Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused

That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth'

Awesome so i assume you will be in full favour of and campaigning for women to do thier fair share of dying in the workplace?

After all if a supposed 3% pay differnce was worth fighting for the fact women only make up 5% of workplace deaths mwans you really want to fight hard for that extra 45% to make things equal yeah?

that doesn't make sense to do that.

we maybe could team up with unions and fight for better working conditions for all and health and safety measures?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would this be all better if women stopped telling other women how they should act and realise that different people have different values amd that is ok?

Equality is not about everyone agreeing with your interpretation of what is right.

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Women slag women off more than men, if feminism was meant to bind them its done a shit job lol.

There was a poll on Facebook that was on about internet harassment, turned out it was women harassing women more than men

We cant be arsed as were too busy with porn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Females suffer from genetical rivalry you see it everyday on the farm.

The males tend to posture but rarely fight and when they do its quick and done with, females hardly ever fight providing they got male leadership but when they do, its a brutal fight to the death

Males are there to keep them from killing each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Feminism, ultimately, is about equality.

It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone

In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property

It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue.

Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused

That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth'

Awesome so i assume you will be in full favour of and campaigning for women to do thier fair share of dying in the workplace?

After all if a supposed 3% pay differnce was worth fighting for the fact women only make up 5% of workplace deaths mwans you really want to fight hard for that extra 45% to make things equal yeah?

I would think this is mainly in the forces, fishing, farming and fuel extraction industries? So male dominated. Maybe women are smarter than you think.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

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If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker

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over a year ago

"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker

Or make Libs' day and swap it over?

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over a year ago

"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker

How about 'Lib's women'?

I think all women should do it and I'd recommend a tattoo over permanent marker.

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over a year ago

"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker

Or make Libs' day and swap it over?"

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

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"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker

How about 'Lib's women'?

I think all women should do it and I'd recommend a tattoo over permanent marker."

Good job you have a short monkier or those pert arsed ladies would be struggling with a small typeface

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter got a B off her teacher for her speech on feminism. It goes to the exam board now for her actual grade.

PTU xxx

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"My daughter got a B off her teacher for her speech on feminism. It goes to the exam board now for her actual grade.

PTU xxx"

put your heart into something and you will acheve.

well done to your daughter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well done to the girl for getting her tits out.

The world could do with lots more women doing the same thing...especially when I'm there...

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"Well done to the girl for getting her tits out.

The world could do with lots more women doing the same thing...especially when I'm there...

I know its false sycotamy and a phalice argument, women should be able to walk around without a top on in public like men. . .oh wait a min an now. lol

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

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Femenist are proud to be women as far as I know and therefore pride in there bodies should be important.Showing breasts does not need to have any sexual conertation it depends upon the circumstanes surely

I am sure you ladies will correct me if you think I am wrong

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"Femenist are proud to be women as far as I know and therefore pride in there bodies should be important.Showing breasts does not need to have any sexual conertation it depends upon the circumstanes surely

I am sure you ladies will correct me if you think I am wrong

goes with argument further up how art potrays nudes. either as a strength or sines of vulnrability.

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By *ack2071Man
over a year ago

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By *ack2071Man
over a year ago

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"Think everyone has lost the most important thing in this thread

A. Emma Watson gets her tits out.

B. Any pictures

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby

it's what a true feminist would do as they support equality for all lol

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues..

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex

"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. "

women can be misogynists too. they are women who put other women down because they hate women, and that includes themselves for being women.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. "

Isn't it misandrist?

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over a year ago

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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist.

Isn't it misandrist?"

misandrists hate men, if that's what he meant by opposite?

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist.

Isn't it misandrist?

misandrists hate men, if that's what he meant by opposite?"
bi is when you love both

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over a year ago

"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Women's nipples are illegal?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Women's nipples are illegal?

They are if they rob banks

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

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I am sure you ladies will correct me if you think I am wrong

goes with argument further up how art potrays nudes. either as a strength or sines of vulnrability. "

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"Women's nipples are illegal?

They are if they rob banks

lol.

in the uk being nude or topless isn't illegal unless there was an intention to offend or distress someone.

not sure how you intentionally offend with your nipples but someone figured a law was needed for that.

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

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She is just getting publicity for her new movie, it must be really bad if she needs to go to such lengths

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women.

you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view.

Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist.

Isn't it misandrist?

misandrists hate men, if that's what he meant by opposite?bi is when you love both

and pansexials love everything. lol

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over a year ago

"My daughter got a B off her teacher for her speech on feminism. It goes to the exam board now for her actual grade.

PTU xxx

put your heart into something and you will acheve.

well done to your daughter."

Thank you x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They need to choose a new name. Feminists are sexless women that hate men and hate women that are in any way attractive. They wear baggy grey clothes and doc marten boots and moan about everything.

Hate the term. It got fucked up.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"She is just getting publicity for her new movie, it must be really bad if she needs to go to such lengths"

I hope her next one is worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought that feminist was just a fancy word for women being (unts to each other.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't believe this has got so many posts!

Who gives a fuck!?

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

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"I can't believe this has got so many posts!

Who gives a fuck!?

is a thread discussing feminism not neccesaraly emma Watson.

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By *epper123Woman
over a year ago

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I am a feminist and am none of the things people claim they are. I don't reveal parts of my body for the titillation of anyone ....

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over a year ago

"They need to choose a new name. Feminists are sexless women that hate men and hate women that are in any way attractive. They wear baggy grey clothes and doc marten boots and moan about everything.

Hate the term. It got fucked up. "

I happen to know a few feminists. None of them are anything like what you describe.

They're all perfectly normal women who don't hate anything in particular but want to be treated on equal terms as anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I can't believe this has got so many posts!

Who gives a fuck!?

is a thread discussing feminism not neccesaraly emma Watson."

It was more a thread discussing twitter morons posing as xyz group, to vilify celebrities who are doing what they do for a living.

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over a year ago

She's just a not so good actress who got lucky in a franchise. See also Daniel Radciffe.

Read their subsequent reviews then reference them against the Hollywood greats.

Not likely to meet Oscar any time .

So get involved in minor celeb stuff.

Yawn yawn.

Tits nothing yo get excited over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's great how feminism has literally never taken hold on society beyond what's actually needed (suffrage, equal rights in law etc).

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"She's just a not so good actress who got lucky in a franchise. See also Daniel Radciffe.

Read their subsequent reviews then reference them against the Hollywood greats.

Not likely to meet Oscar any time .

So get involved in minor celeb stuff.

Yawn yawn.

Tits nothing yo get excited over."

i like how your auto correct changed tis to tits.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"She's just a not so good actress who got lucky in a franchise. See also Daniel Radciffe.

Read their subsequent reviews then reference them against the Hollywood greats."

Holywood greats? who would that be then?

both are considerably better actors than me. and being 20 somethings there is time for good films to come their way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its her body she can do what the fuck she likes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously?

They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women.

They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously?

They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women.

They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that. "

but then humanism ignores that fact that women are disadvantaged.

funny how there's hardly any recognition for people in poverty, like where's the 'ism for those people coz they are more disadvantaged than anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's great how feminism has literally never taken hold on society beyond what's actually needed (suffrage, equal rights in law etc)."

A great distraction from anything really worth doing.

Want equality, you start with a living wage campaign for all rather than a fictitious campaign that all women are fundamentally underpaid... which is fundamentally and verifiably wrong as any sound statistician or economist will agree, the devil being in the detail...notbthe headline

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over a year ago

They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously?

They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women.

They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that.

but then humanism ignores that fact that women are disadvantaged.

funny how there's hardly any recognition for people in poverty, like where's the 'ism for those people coz they are more disadvantaged than anyone."

You made my point for me.

Some women are disadvantaged in some situations

Some men are disadvantaged in some situations

Some children are disadvantaged in some situations

Mostly because of where they are born or live

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously?

They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women.

They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that.

but then humanism ignores that fact that women are disadvantaged.

funny how there's hardly any recognition for people in poverty, like where's the 'ism for those people coz they are more disadvantaged than anyone.

You made my point for me.

Some women are disadvantaged in some situations

Some men are disadvantaged in some situations

Some children are disadvantaged in some situations

Mostly because of where they are born or live

well, humanism seems to cover everything. but, it does ignore each isms struggle and their own quest for equality.

i do get loads of people are disadvantaged but in different ways, as well as similar ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there an ism for convinced by the media that there world is against you when everything is mostly fine in your western world comfort bubble

Nice points made above about the gender death gap

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over a year ago

"I actually dont think its a sexual picture in any way ... people are just assuming its sexual because they can see a hint of boob"

Same here.

Can't say that I saw ANYTHING sexually provocative about the photos concerned.

As was pointed out by at least one of the interviewees in the article, if Emma were a man, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Also, having looked at some of the Twitter posts directed at Emma, I notice that many of the people screaming at her to 'cover up' are also posting tweets calling for a ban on the hijab, burqa, and other such items of clothing...

In other words, they think it's wrong for Radical Muslims to force women to cover their bodies, but perfectly acceptable to condemn a woman as 'anti-Feminist' if she shows too much flesh...

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

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"I actually dont think its a sexual picture in any way ... people are just assuming its sexual because they can see a hint of boob

Same here.

Can't say that I saw ANYTHING sexually provocative about the photos concerned.

As was pointed out by at least one of the interviewees in the article, if Emma were a man, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

In other words, they think it's wrong for Radical Muslims to force women to cover their bodies, but perfectly acceptable to condemn a woman as 'anti-Feminist' if she shows too much flesh...

you know what you are right. i have decided to look at the photos as I realised i was talking about something I have not seen, and I agree with you the photos are more art than sexuial, although I date say someone will find it titerlating.

it all reminds me of when Myly Cirus - wreckingball came out. What was a women showing her vulnerability about someone she loved but the love not reciprocated was confused as a something to do with sex.

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over a year ago

"They need to choose a new name. Feminists are sexless women that hate men and hate women that are in any way attractive. They wear baggy grey clothes and doc marten boots and moan about everything.

Hate the term. It got fucked up. "

This is a perfect example of straw feminism, that image you just conjured is either a very small minority of people. Or it is a fabricated example that anti-feminists have perpetuated to negatively portray feminists.

All of my friends are feminists, male and female. Because feminism at its core means equality for all.

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over a year ago

"I agree with you the photos are more art than sexual, although I dare say someone will find it tittilating."

Exactly.

When I saw the photos, my first thought was of 'The Birth of Venus' by Botticelli...hardly what might be described as 'pandering to the male gaze.'

To paraphrase Emma's friend and colleague Gloria Steinem:

"Art is as different from pornography as love is from [sexual abuse,] as dignity is from humiliation, as partnership is from slavery, as pleasure is from pain."

Anyone who sees Emma's photos as being pornographic SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE IS NAKED is perpetuating the myth that female nudity - and nudity in general - is somehow shameful and disgusting.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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over a year ago

I am genuinely impressed with the number of young guys with sensible respectful and educated comments on this thread

... not that i think young guys are arseholes ... i am just surprised they are vocal on issues like feminism

Maybe the shift thats needed is coming with the next generation as the "old school" mentality becone the minority

If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way "

You can, but it will take a long long time. We have come a long way on many issues in my life time, even further over the last century, monetry equality is an impossible dream in the capitalist world we live in, but the realist in me will settle for giving everyone a fighting chance at an OK life.

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over a year ago

"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way

Sadly i dont think we currently can

im talking about countries like saudi arabia where it is not even legal for a woman to drive or countries where young girls are subjected to genital mutilation

In these countries the rules are still made by the people who oppress these women ... including i presume the rules on what is taught in the little education given ... its a catch 22 ... until women get a voice at the top it wont change... but they wont get a voice at the top til it changes

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over a year ago

"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way

Sadly i dont think we currently can

im talking about countries like saudi arabia where it is not even legal for a woman to drive or countries where young girls are subjected to genital mutilation

Like I said a long long time, We only got the vote for women in the UK 90 years ago.

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

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"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way

Sadly i dont think we currently can

im talking about countries like saudi arabia where it is not even legal for a woman to drive or countries where young girls are subjected to genital mutilation

Like I said a long long time, We only got the vote for women in the UK 90 years ago."

and that's relitivly recent compared toother western nations.

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over a year ago

Feminism is about embracing who you are as a woman.

It's not about trying to be like men or competing with men.

It's understanding how powerful a woman you are.

If she wants to show her breasts I'm don't think that defines her one way or another.

I'm happy for a gentleman to hold a door for me, pull out my seat or evenot lift something heavy, whilst appreciating I have as much to offer and am of equal value

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