FabSwingers.com forum: One child families

By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

I recently seen an article about how our country is becoming over populated and the NHS and schools etc can't cope. They said that a law like China's got, that families should only have one child should be forced to combat the problem. What do you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being an only child is fucking shit

Ruby

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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it was never banned, you could pay extra taxes to have more than one child. many who couldn't afford that were forced into abortions.

and herein lies the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

China ended it's one child policy in 2015 because there were too many old people with a diminishing workforce able to pay for their care....society has become too top-heavy.

I don't know what the answer to overpopulation is, but it's on its way to being a serious global crisis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id say no more than 3 really or if it helps that if you have over so many kids then you only get state help and housing for the first however many say 3 again and it may stop these 15kid families where the parents never work

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By *unfun6969Man
over a year ago

this one

One+two child system in China has been abandoned.

Fruitless endevour only depletes future work force. Like Germany with planned parenting forced them to practically beg Turks to come in the 70s and 80s to fill their factories

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

"I recently seen an article about how our country is becoming over populated and the NHS and schools etc can't cope. They said that a law like China's got, that families should only have one child should be forced to combat the problem. What do you think."

Then the native British would be out numbered by immigrants so much quicker

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Id say no more than 3 really or if it helps that if you have over so many kids then you only get state help and housing for the first however many say 3 again and it may stop these 15kid families where the parents never work"
ok so what happens if a young widow with two kids marries meets and marries a young widower with four kids do two of those kids go without support ?.

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

Then the native British would be out numbered by immigrants so much quicker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash."

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby "

Would you kill off your kids just because they aren't being subsidized by the government?

I personally don't think child benefits should exist at all. I bet people would still have kids.

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

If you can't afford to feed, clothe and house them don't have them. If you have more than 2 you should pay more tax, grossly unfair on the rest of the population funding their education etc!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Id say no more than 3 really or if it helps that if you have over so many kids then you only get state help and housing for the first however many say 3 again and it may stop these 15kid families where the parents never workok so what happens if a young widow with two kids marries meets and marries a young widower with four kids do two of those kids go without support ?.

One or both of the parents go to work?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?"

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think there needs to be a cap on how many children you can receive benefit for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female "

not sure how they would police that, if its born the 'wrong sex' what do you do with the child

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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only the rich, in a system that exploits the working classes and poor, should be allowed to have kids.

that way you lose all your traumatised, downtrodden, used, abused, and financially struggling. good idea actually. and the rich have to do the shitty jobs for themselves.

the middle class becomes the poor and we start all over again.

and eventually there will be loads of rich toilet cleaners, rich takeaway workers, rich carers, rich everyone coz the entitled always demand that.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I found out recently there is a one child cap in Cambodia, unless your first child isn't a boy. Which might lead to an interesting imbalance a few years down the line. However Cambodia certainly isn't overpopulated, after Pol Pot killed off half of them not long ago.

I stopped at one for personal reasons. Neither I nor she regretted that.

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female

not sure how they would police that, if its born the 'wrong sex' what do you do with the child

No this was the problem people were aborting their unborn babies if they were the wrong sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Load of bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've 4 kids.never claimed social.don't have medical card so pay €60 every time I take them to docs even.if I pay my way i'll have another 4 if I want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you can't afford to feed, clothe and house them don't have them. If you have more than 2 you should pay more tax, grossly unfair on the rest of the population funding their education etc!!"

working parents pay for their own kids education, a child goes to pre school/school from 3 to 18 now thats 15 years, i have worked all my life and when i retire that will be about 50 years, i think I've paid my share

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By *inkySlinkyCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

"Id say no more than 3 really "

I chose to have three children but the last pregnancy was unexpectedly twins. Should I have sent one back?

Sally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Id say no more than 3 really or if it helps that if you have over so many kids then you only get state help and housing for the first however many say 3 again and it may stop these 15kid families where the parents never workok so what happens if a young widow with two kids marries meets and marries a young widower with four kids do two of those kids go without support ?.

Nope she wouldnt be able to claim for kids that arent hers

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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we should just go back to a more simple time, when it really was survival of the fittest and let the weak die off. no more NHS, money gives you an advantage so we get rid of that, and let the truly superior exist. everyone else can die.

seems like a better way to improve the population.

also, less reliance on a robot workforce as that is 'cheating'.

why should genitically inferior people be allowed to have as many kids as someone more superior? we could all die off from that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had twins, I didnt choose to have two babies at once (don't even get me started on lack of extra help for that!), how would that work if you introduced a one child cap? Or parents of triplets?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses"

Both can go, in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion."

Why though? What do you benefit if either go?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Id say no more than 3 really or if it helps that if you have over so many kids then you only get state help and housing for the first however many say 3 again and it may stop these 15kid families where the parents never workok so what happens if a young widow with two kids marries meets and marries a young widower with four kids do two of those kids go without support ?.

Nope she wouldnt be able to claim for kids that arent hers "

it wouldn't work like that anyway if they did ever bring it in they only paid you for so many kids, it would only apply to people who went over the chosen amount after the law came in

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By *itsmcgee4Couple
over a year ago

Central

I hate the "if you can't afford them don't have them" attitude, because jobs can't be lost, spouses can't leave or die, kids aren't born with additional needs that cost more. Some people really need to get off their high horse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spend part of the budget on education and give out condoms for free.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

Why though? What do you benefit if either go?"

it shouldn't be for personal reasons it should be for reasons that benefit the whole human race.

hence why i support euthanasia for the feeble.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby "

I didnt say kill off did i just said dont get the benefit for, as it may encourage people to actually work as there is a growing culture who doesnt.

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses"

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I've got to say is ....

Logans Run !

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

"Being an only child is fucking shit

Ruby"

This.

I didn't hate it as a child but as an adult I really feel it. Especially when my dad passed away and with my mum being so ill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby

I didnt say kill off did i just said dont get the benefit for, as it may encourage people to actually work as there is a growing culture who doesnt. "

Are you sure? Or have you just watched one of those "benefits britian" programmes on channel 4 and became an expert..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Id say no more than 3 really

I chose to have three children but the last pregnancy was unexpectedly twins. Should I have sent one back?

Sally "

My point too Sally, we have 6 kids between us so must have to kill 3 off

We both work and have never claimed any child benefit, not sure why anyone is assuming this would be the case when you have more than 3 kids!

Ruby

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"All I've got to say is ....

Logans Run !

logans run was illogical. investing in someone only to kill them off before you got your monies worth.

that robot at the end was cool though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses "

Behave yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself"

Do you not think parents work?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

Why though? What do you benefit if either go?"

Ok, I'll be more specific and less flippant.

I think bank bonuses should exist, but within reason. I think child benefits should be based on family income, not on how many kids you have.

It's about proportionality. For both cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion."

Wow. I've never claimed it but god help any working parents that might lose their jobs for a while through no fault of their own!!

Ruby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby

I didnt say kill off did i just said dont get the benefit for, as it may encourage people to actually work as there is a growing culture who doesnt.

Are you sure? Or have you just watched one of those "benefits britian" programmes on channel 4 and became an expert.."

Never watch channel 4 its shite as are those kind of programmes.. nope I read this weird thing called the paper and look at the reports that they do on benefits etc..

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses "

I'm pretty sure bringing up a small person for 18 years entitles me to some money from the Government.

It was the princely sum of £10 a week last time I got it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby

I didnt say kill off did i just said dont get the benefit for, as it may encourage people to actually work as there is a growing culture who doesnt.

Are you sure? Or have you just watched one of those "benefits britian" programmes on channel 4 and became an expert..

Never watch channel 4 its shite as are those kind of programmes.. nope I read this weird thing called the paper and look at the reports that they do on benefits etc..

Sounds fun

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work?"
depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to."

only if they hit the benefits lottery jackpot and have a disabled one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to."

I know people with 5 kids who work and people with one kid who dont.. stupid statement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People be logical if we dont make the cuts on child benefits or something like they already did on disability benefit then the country will run out of money, we could say send home all the migrants but then you get another argument for that..

Whatever is done and wherever anything is cut people are going to bitch and moan & then when funding runs out they will moan even more.

Damned if you damned if you dont

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses"

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to.

I know people with 5 kids who work and people with one kid who dont.. stupid statement

All depends on if you know how to work the benefits system

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

I'm pretty sure bringing up a small person for 18 years entitles me to some money from the Government.

It was the princely sum of £10 a week last time I got it."

its not much more now but when you look at how much i pay per month in tax i feel they are still in a win win situation giving me back a whole £20.70p a week

I would happily surrender my child benifit and keep the tax i pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to.

only if they hit the benefits lottery jackpot and have a disabled one.

Really?? I have a "disabled one" and I still work.

I'd far rather he didn't have his chronic life threatening condition than be raking in all this money you must think I get for having a "disabled one"

That's without raising another 2 and paying a mortgage on a single wage

I despair at some people

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley

"China ended it's one child policy in 2015 because there were too many old people with a diminishing workforce able to pay for their care....society has become too top-heavy.

I don't know what the answer to overpopulation is, but it's on its way to being a serious global crisis."

Probably would have been better if they'd carried on with the policy, worked through the short term top heavy population problem and ended up with a more manageable population size 40 or 50 years down the line.

There's a thread in the political forum asking what we're going to do 50 years from now when automation has replaced vast numbers of jobs and there's no work for potentially billions of people. We'd need to stop breeding or totally rethink our whole economic system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They have to come up with an extreme vetting plan soon, because in the rate that the population is growing, they need to build a house every 4min.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion."

And what about the children who will suffer because child benefit is no longer available? Oh I guess the answer is " it's the parents problem " but stuff the kids huh! Sounds all very right wing your statements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well said , I am as well . ITS SHIT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Young girls with poor education and minimum wage earners have children so they can get social housing as there is no way they would get one without children.

They would be destined to live in HMO's (bedsit land) like single guys have to do who are on low incomes.

Having children is seen as the only option to get their own place and increased benefits by alot of young girls/couples.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female "

No what difference would that make?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do think there needs to be a cap on how many children you can receive benefit for.

There's going to be. It's changing to first 2 kids only I believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

I'm right wing because I don't like child benefits and I'm in favor of limiting CEO bonuses?

Ok.

I wouldn't have kids if I couldn't afford them. Its as simple as that. I'm all for short to medium range welfare assistance for families in need based on total salary - but no, I don't think the number of kids you have should define the benefits you're entitled to, long-term. I'll go and re-register as a Republican now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hate the "if you can't afford them don't have them" attitude, because jobs can't be lost, spouses can't leave or die, kids aren't born with additional needs that cost more. Some people really need to get off their high horse "

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over a year ago

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female

No what difference would that make?"

The reason it made a difference in China was boys grow up to look after their parents and girls grow up to help look after their husband's parents, hence baby girls were killed off by parents who didn't want to be left destitute in their old age.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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funny how none of my opinions are popular. at one time they were very much in use and probably worked better than anything else suggested.

and then some decided to steal from those who were quite capable of surviving by working for themselves and their community, because they had the power to do so...to steal from peaceful people who worked hard and never caused anyone else any problems.

this system was hierarchy and now we are trying to justify taking away the rights the poor for being the most peaceful of all in this violent hierarchy system.

its why they are at the bottom, because they do not have a sociopathic desire to steal from anyone else. they do not even know they have rights any more as they were stolen from them for so long.

and if they try to fight back with violence, because that is how they were stolen from, they are in the wrong.

and i am so fucking bored...

but if we're gonna justify who should have kids and how many then maybe start looking to something more natural and less artificial. maybe look towards the people who have good qualities in bringing up genuine decent people. money means nothing.

*goes off to look for the housing topic*

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"If you can't afford to feed, clothe and house them don't have them. If you have more than 2 you should pay more tax, grossly unfair on the rest of the population funding their education etc!!"

This is true i only had one because thats all i could afford to be honest.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female

No what difference would that make?

Which is why I don't understand the Cambodian restrictions, as the girl stays with her parents, the boy goes to his wife's parents. So if a family has 3 girls before they have their first son they end up with 6 additional mouths to feed.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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anyone justifying donald trump can have as many kids as he wants to is...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!"

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change "

Yes of course peoples situations change but there are a few people who just dont think it through properly.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Pensions cost 42% of the welfare bill. Child/family benefits cost 17%.

The older people who have never worked still get their benefits. Children haven't had a chance to work for theirs yet but are going to be the people paying for those pensions.

Capping the number of children elsewhere has led to gender imbalance and aging populations that lead to failing economies.

There are many of us who can't or don't have children, or have lost the child they did have. Even when you aim for just two you might have twins, triplets or other multiples so one of those counts towards my 'entitlement' to one.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female

No what difference would that make?

Yeah, can't figure that one out, though it would skew the population towards males, maybe they were aiming for a more physical workforce across the whole country?

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change "

I understand about people's situations change. I'm on about the ones who have kids and have never worked and their parents have never worked. You only have to watch that shit Jeremy Kyle.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Young girls with poor education and minimum wage earners have children so they can get social housing as there is no way they would get one without children.

They would be destined to live in HMO's (bedsit land) like single guys have to do who are on low incomes.

Having children is seen as the only option to get their own place and increased benefits by alot of young girls/couples."

It's not as easy as that.

Teenage pregnancy rates are down to 23 per 1,000 conceptions last year compared to 55 per 1,000 in 1971. One of the reasons attributed for this social media shaming teenagers for getting pregnant.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Not a bad idea but maybe just having two would be a better idea?

Would that depend on the sex of the child male or female

No what difference would that make?

Yeah, can't figure that one out, though it would skew the population towards males, maybe they were aiming for a more physical workforce across the whole country?"

Not really. They need fewer labourers and more professionals, as those were the ones killed by Khmer Rouge.

However there is a large move towards young couples getting their own places. They are definitely trying to move away from being a farming culture.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to.

only if they hit the benefits lottery jackpot and have a disabled one.

Really?? I have a "disabled one" and I still work.

I'd far rather he didn't have his chronic life threatening condition than be raking in all this money you must think I get for having a "disabled one"

That's without raising another 2 and paying a mortgage on a single wage

I despair at some people

sarcasm.

as a carer, as well as a parent, i'm well aware of the attitudes people have.

i am promoting the most unpopular ones as well as the popular offensive ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change

Yes of course peoples situations change but there are a few people who just dont think it through properly."

Totally agree but I don't think this subject should be so black and white

I don't agree with people who sit on benefits as a life style choice

But for some going on benefits isn't an option, if you have had a good job for 25 years and end up losing that job through no fault of your own I don't believe they should cap your benefits depending on how many kids you have, you have paid into the system for 25 years so why should you not get help for all your children under 18 while you look for another job?

I don't think it should be a cap that applies to everybody's regardless of you circumstances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to.

only if they hit the benefits lottery jackpot and have a disabled one.

Really?? I have a "disabled one" and I still work.

I'd far rather he didn't have his chronic life threatening condition than be raking in all this money you must think I get for having a "disabled one"

That's without raising another 2 and paying a mortgage on a single wage

I despair at some people

sarcasm.

as a carer, as well as a parent, i'm well aware of the attitudes people have.

i am promoting the most unpopular ones as well as the popular offensive ones."

Let's hope so aye else there is no hope if that is your attitude towards families with disabled children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change

I understand about people's situations change. I'm on about the ones who have kids and have never worked and their parents have never worked. You only have to watch that shit Jeremy Kyle."

I'm to busy working to watch that

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By *odramafunCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire/staffordshire

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby "

So do we! But both work and all kids will be brought up the same and contribute to society... Don't feel like we are causing a problem ... X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

Its just a thread for people who have kids vs people who dont

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Do you not think bankers have worked for their bonuses

Behave yourself

Do you not think parents work? depends if they have loads of kids. Then they don't have to.

only if they hit the benefits lottery jackpot and have a disabled one.

Really?? I have a "disabled one" and I still work.

I'd far rather he didn't have his chronic life threatening condition than be raking in all this money you must think I get for having a "disabled one"

That's without raising another 2 and paying a mortgage on a single wage

I despair at some people

sarcasm.

as a carer, as well as a parent, i'm well aware of the attitudes people have.

i am promoting the most unpopular ones as well as the popular offensive ones.

Let's hope so aye else there is no hope if that is your attitude towards families with disabled children

puts it in perspective though doesn't it?

how is a popular offensive opinion more acceptable than one that isn't? both are offensive.

i think you also don't know what sarcasm means.

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

As a single mum of 3 I'm stereotypically crippling the state in one way or another.

I work two jobs,I work bloody hard to salvage a career and an identity. However I feel no guilt in claiming help with my rent or childcare. (Which are both means tested) However if I gave up work the state would actually support me less.. go figure that one!

I didn't have my children expecting to be in the situation I'm in. I certainly didn't have them to get a house! However because I had my first child at 16 that will always be the assumption people make.

So many people casting judgments and making suggestions without any idea of how it would effect people in those situations.

Having also worked in financial services for many years I'd agree some of the bonuses are ridiculous.

I don't know what the solutions are, however hitting out at the poorest in society is never the answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change

Yes of course peoples situations change but there are a few people who just dont think it through properly.

Totally agree but I don't think this subject should be so black and white

I don't agree with people who sit on benefits as a life style choice

I don't think it should be a cap that applies to everybody's regardless of you circumstances "

See, I agree with you in principle. But surely there are better, smarter ways of helping people in these (and similar) situations than the current child benefits system?

I think there needs to be a rethink about how society gives assistance to those in need. There are better, and fairer, ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

Its just a thread for people who have kids vs people who dont"

So because I don't have children you automatically assume which side of this argument I agree with ?

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

Its just a thread for people who have kids vs people who dont

So because I don't have children you automatically assume which side of this argument I agree with ?

Mrs"

I think he also wrongly assumes who has kids and who doesnt, or who have lost kids so are entitled to an opinion too

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By *ink Panther.Woman
over a year ago

Preston

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

Its just a thread for people who have kids vs people who dont"

I think you'll find I have 2 and I don't expect other tax payers to maintain them!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

Its just a thread for people who have kids vs people who dont

So because I don't have children you automatically assume which side of this argument I agree with ?

Mrs

I think he also wrongly assumes who has kids and who doesnt, or who have lost kids so are entitled to an opinion too"

I dont know youre life.. so im not intrested in youre opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread is a great example on how ignorant some people are.

Its just a thread for people who have kids vs people who dont

So because I don't have children you automatically assume which side of this argument I agree with ?

Mrs

I think he also wrongly assumes who has kids and who doesnt, or who have lost kids so are entitled to an opinion too

I dont know youre life.. so im not intrested in youre opinion"

Haha you seem to be when you question it, cannot question something that doesnt interest you otherwise you wouldnt even read it.. or was that too logical?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I once read a fantastic short story where once the women where pregnant they had 9 months to choose who in their family would be sacrificed to make way for the new baby. If by the time the baby was born the mother had failed to nominate someone the baby would be sacrificed. I don't know who wrote it but it was bloody good n very thought provoking.

PTU xxx

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By *.1079 OP Man
over a year ago

caistor

"I once read a fantastic short story where once the women where pregnant they had 9 months to choose who in their family would be sacrificed to make way for the new baby. If by the time the baby was born the mother had failed to nominate someone the baby would be sacrificed. I don't know who wrote it but it was bloody good n very thought provoking.

PTU xxx "

Sounds like a new thread who would you sacrifice. Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

PTU xxx

Sounds like a new thread who would you sacrifice. Lol"

The thought did cross my mind.

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this is a great idea stops people having kids for cash.

We have six kids between us, shall we kill 3 of them off?!

Ruby

So do we! But both work and all kids will be brought up the same and contribute to society... Don't feel like we are causing a problem ... X "

Same here x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

A couple woman well documented in the media have numerous children. One refuses to work and gets a darn site more infact double what I earn in a month she goes on holidays abroad has designer clothes etc and openly admits to having more children to claim more in benefits. The other woman worked as a mechanic gave it up because part time she could t cope with the hours and looking after her 8 kids as it reduces her benefit. Both get houses paid for and get family tax etc It's well documented in the papers and on news they have also been on tv shows to discuss.

I work and due to fertility issues can't have kids yet I pay tax which goes to support women like those two. Why is that fair? Why should I pay £400 a month in tax? Why did I have to pay for fertility treatment because through no fault of my own I can't lay on my back think of England and get pregnant.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have. "

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

I wish I was on a large wage!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

Adopt me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

I wish I was on a large wage!! "

Me too lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"China ended it's one child policy in 2015 because there were too many old people with a diminishing workforce able to pay for their care....society has become too top-heavy.

I don't know what the answer to overpopulation is, but it's on its way to being a serious global crisis."

China ended this policy,but not for the public reasons you have stated although it is linked to the care of older people . Chinese people really care for their elderly,but after the one child rule (depending where they live,sex of the child,and financial situation)there was a massive shortage of females for a whole generation,and as we all know,females give birth,less females,less births,less workers,the boys take care of the parents,then nothing.

It's been changing and family's have being encouraged over the lady decade to try and even it out,the problem isn't just over population.its over populated with males,like FAB.

Source - lived in China for 15 years

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place ."

you can get your own place without having kids.

things that are needs should not be making profits. and i live in housing that does not make profits so it is possible.

it's classed as a charity though, which i think giving people their basic needs should not be charitible, it is a right from being born, and even more so if you're born into s system that does not pay fair wages to all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

Adopt me

Ha ha I did used to pay 378 a month till I gave up work last year.

I now earn min wage till my new journey starts in the next few months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its a great idea but I only have one child anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here. "

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place ."

I agree.

I'm one of the people on a shitty wage without children who has to rent somewhere I can barely afford.

But I would never have children to get housed!

This benefit has to stop!

I pay a lot of taxes as well and I resent it going to these people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"China ended it's one child policy in 2015 because there were too many old people with a diminishing workforce able to pay for their care....society has become too top-heavy.

I don't know what the answer to overpopulation is, but it's on its way to being a serious global crisis.

It's been changing and family's have being encouraged over the lady decade to try and even it out,the problem isn't just over population.its over populated with males,like FAB.

Source - lived in China for 15 years"

It's two sides of the same coin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

Adopt me

You asking ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place .

you can get your own place without having kids.

things that are needs should not be making profits. and i live in housing that does not make profits so it is possible.

No way can anyone I know on minimum afford their own flat or house ??

They have to live in HMO's as thats all they can afford.

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By *layboi69Man
over a year ago

alfreton

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I don't think it's a good idea personally.

Though capping benefit for people who have a baby each year to get a pay rise would be a great idea.

And yes this really does happen.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley

"Ok to put a spanner in the works!.

So yes benefits for people like them should be capped. They need to remember a child is a blessing not a god given right to free handouts that others can't have.

You pay £400 a month in tax?

Wow you must be on a helishly large wage?

Fancy being my girlfriend?

Adopt me

Ha ha I did used to pay 378 a month till I gave up work last year.

I now earn min wage till my new journey starts in the next few months "

Tax and NI last month was over 550 quid and (as we we're also talking about aging, unsupportable populations), just been told I now have to pay 50% more into my pension to get 33% less back on retirement.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place .

you can get your own place without having kids.

things that are needs should not be making profits. and i live in housing that does not make profits so it is possible.

No way can anyone I know on minimum afford their own flat or house ??

They have to live in HMO's as thats all they can afford."

they can with help from benefits, or like you say HMO. i get help from benefits.

when i lived in london i had to house share, but up north it's cheaper because we are less valued up here so house prices can't go up too much as nobody can pay for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place .

you can get your own place without having kids.

things that are needs should not be making profits. and i live in housing that does not make profits so it is possible.

No way can anyone I know on minimum afford their own flat or house ??

They have to live in HMO's as thats all they can afford.

they can with help from benefits, or like you say HMO. i get help from benefits.

when i lived in london i had to house share, but up north it's cheaper because we are less valued up here so house prices can't go up too much as nobody can pay for them."

Im up north and rent for a flat is minimum £500 a month a little terrace house £600.

They cant afford to pay that?

Even a bedsit in shared house is about £75- £100 a week and they can hardly afford that.

More affordable housing needs to be built for low income earners.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible. "

because it's actually nice to have children and a big family. the more you have the cheaper it gets to have them as you can pass stuff down to other kids. you're heating a house for 6 people takes the same amount as it would for one person.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

I do worry about you sometimes x

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"More money should be spent on education.

Then it's just possible that people wont want to have multiple children to receive benefits.

To me it's upsetting that people are that fucking stupid!

I know I'll probably get shot for saying this - but I think giving away money for doing nothing should be stopped.

Everyone can do something.

More affordable housing should be built for people on minimum wage too so people dont have to have kids to be able to have their own place .

you can get your own place without having kids.

things that are needs should not be making profits. and i live in housing that does not make profits so it is possible.

No way can anyone I know on minimum afford their own flat or house ??

They have to live in HMO's as thats all they can afford.

they can with help from benefits, or like you say HMO. i get help from benefits.

when i lived in london i had to house share, but up north it's cheaper because we are less valued up here so house prices can't go up too much as nobody can pay for them.

Im up north and rent for a flat is minimum £500 a month a little terrace house £600.

They cant afford to pay that?

Even a bedsit in shared house is about £75- £100 a week and they can hardly afford that.

More affordable housing needs to be built for low income earners."

my home is cheaper than those. 3 bedroom. like i said it's not run for profit, it's run to house people who need a home.

the bedsits across the road from me are less than £50 a week also. and they are run for profit and complete shitholes run by a slumlord.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

Why though? What do you benefit if either go?

Ok, I'll be more specific and less flippant.

I think bank bonuses should exist, but within reason. I think child benefits should be based on family income, not on how many kids you have.

It's about proportionality. For both cases."

Also i think the op wasnt actually about families claiming benefits and more that our countries resources cannot cope with growing population...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Britians birthrate is sub 2.0

Ie withour immigration our population would be falling.

Which is bad.

There is no logical reason for a birth rate control if anything we need incentives

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

I do worry about you sometimes x"

was brought up in poverty, heard it all, seen it all, seen the best and worst of everyone. and i really don't care.

i'll be dead one day, my life is for living and i'm gonna be true to myself and honest with myself.

can't wait to be a granny to at least 12 kids, yay.

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over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

I do worry about you sometimes x

was brought up in poverty, heard it all, seen it all, seen the best and worst of everyone. and i really don't care.

i'll be dead one day, my life is for living and i'm gonna be true to myself and honest with myself.

can't wait to be a granny to at least 12 kids, yay."

Bless ya xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses"

Why would they?

Private companies can pay thier employees wages however they choose.

Should factories stop thier bonus schemes too.

Or thier special stock offerings for workers

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over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Why would they?

Private companies can pay thier employees wages however they choose.

Should factories stop thier bonus schemes too.

Or thier special stock offerings for workers"

You could go on for ever with that..I dont care who gets what as i'm only interested in myself benefiting

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over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Both can go, in my opinion.

If you can't afford the kids don't have them, simple!!!

Maybe they could afford them when they had them, some peoples situations change

Yes of course peoples situations change but there are a few people who just dont think it through properly.

Totally agree but I don't think this subject should be so black and white

I don't agree with people who sit on benefits as a life style choice

I don't think it should be a cap that applies to everybody's regardless of you circumstances "

I dont think anyone would dispute the provision of temporary assistance ... and that kind of thing wouldnt be capped ... what is being capped it the "automatic money per child" system that exists at the moment

Someone further up said they raised a child for 18 years why shouldnt they get some money back for it ... i know it might not be much but a tually why should you? Why is having a child seen as a service to the country the government should contribute to?

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over a year ago

"Young girls with poor education and minimum wage earners have children so they can get social housing as there is no way they would get one without children.

They would be destined to live in HMO's (bedsit land) like single guys have to do who are on low incomes.

Having children is seen as the only option to get their own place and increased benefits by alot of young girls/couples."

That wasn't the case for me then.

I was a young mum had my son at 17 stayed why my mum and dad till my son was a year and a half as there was no house for me, plus I still worked and that was 18 Year ago.

So your theory doesn't apply to every young girl.

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over a year ago

"Young girls with poor education and minimum wage earners have children so they can get social housing as there is no way they would get one without children.

They would be destined to live in HMO's (bedsit land) like single guys have to do who are on low incomes.

Having children is seen as the only option to get their own place and increased benefits by alot of young girls/couples.

That wasn't the case for me then.

I was a young mum had my son at 17 stayed why my mum and dad till my son was a year and a half as there was no house for me, plus I still worked and that was 18 Year ago.

So your theory doesn't apply to every young girl."

Or every council, believe me under my council you do not get a house just because you have a child

They are only obligated to make sure you have a roof over you head and round here most pregnant young girls either stay at home or end up in a hostel

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over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

To me, that's not sensible though, it's selfish. Having children because you want a big family when you can't afford it just doesn't make sense. I want things because they're nice, but I can't afford them, therefore I don't buy them.

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By *ystical_InkedBBWWoman
over a year ago

somewhere in the Shire of Derby

Try telling that to alt-right groups, theyre always screaming that the British need to be producing more offspring

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

i was only poor because i'm not selfish though. i didn't have nice things but i have a nice family. i went without for them and was happy to do so.

my kids are great, they aren't street rats and i invested quite a lot into them. and time was what i had to invest in them because i was poor.

why can't i be selfish also? why can onl ypeople who don't want the poor to have kids be selfish?

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over a year ago

i was only poor because i'm not selfish though. i didn't have nice things but i have a nice family. i went without for them and was happy to do so.

my kids are great, they aren't street rats and i invested quite a lot into them. and time was what i had to invest in them because i was poor.

why can't i be selfish also? why can onl ypeople who don't want the poor to have kids be selfish?"

Because you are not being selfish with your own resources ... you are being selfish with someone elses

You say you wish you could have more kids because you are bored now they have grown? Then go use that time ... work, volunteer, find a hobby ... you dont just reproduce for something to pass the time

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over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

i was only poor because i'm not selfish though. i didn't have nice things but i have a nice family. i went without for them and was happy to do so.

my kids are great, they aren't street rats and i invested quite a lot into them. and time was what i had to invest in them because i was poor.

why can't i be selfish also? why can onl ypeople who don't want the poor to have kids be selfish?"

So you were selfish jad 4 kids had housing benefit and tax credits etc. I cant have kids I now can't afford ivf I also can't afford my own home. So me being selfish can I have some of the tax back you have had from my 25 years working please.

Oh and if your kids are having kids the money they are getting.

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over a year ago

This is getting a bit personal now and needs to stop

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over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

I would have liked more children but I didn't because I couldn't afford too, it was as simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

I would have liked more children but I didn't because I couldn't afford too, it was as simple as that."

I have lots of friends that have this thought process too. I'd love children, but I can't afford them. Even when I was with my last long-term partner, we worked out that we'd need to have more savings before trying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People want child benefits stopped but dont bat an eyelid to bankers bonuses

Funny as isn't it. The people who rule our country are to blame for the state of it but no, let's blame people for having too many kids...

Earlier on it was another thread about housing.

Pisses me off! So many opinionated people on here.

Personally though, I don't understand why an already struggling family have more children. It just doesn't appear logical to me. That's not being judgemental, it's being sensible.

also, poverty brings you more spare time and gives you less of a sense of worth, having more children gives you a purpose and takes up that spare time.

i never wanted any kids, i had 4. now they don't need me i'm on some shitty fuck site bored outta my tits.

i'd love to have more kids and more family coz i don't like many people outside of my family. i think most people are fucked up, myself included, but only the people who get me are ok to bother with.

I would have liked more children but I didn't because I couldn't afford too, it was as simple as that."

I always wanted three kids till I had two then I only wanted one