FabSwingers.com forum: The McCanns are at it again

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/19/new-legal-battle-for-mccanns-against-claims-they-faked-madeleines-abduction-6458128/

Looks like they're back in the news to battle a legal case that they're responsible for what happened to Maddie by faking the "abduction".

I have a feeling it won't be long till the net finally closes in on them. If they're so innocent, why didn't they answer all the questions by the police? It just proves they have something to hide.

If it all does come out in they end that they had something to do with it, not only would they be down for child neglect but also possible manslaughter, perverting the court of justice and even fraud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Kate and gerry

We know it was you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They do seem to have reappeared recently in the media, that may be due to the 10 year anniversary coming up and funds running low so it may be engineered to raise cash to fight yet another legal battle. This pair want to gag the world, I'm convinced they believe their own lie now, it's pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is so much evidence stacked up against them, that isn't just circumstantial. One day it will all come out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a parent I just don't want to believe it's possible that they had something to do with it. As a bit of a paranoid conspiracist I can't help but think there is something not right with them, their story and the whole situation. I just want the truth to finally come out, and to know that alive or dead Madrid didn't suffer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a parent I just don't want to believe it's possible that they had something to do with it. As a bit of a paranoid conspiracist I can't help but think there is something not right with them, their story and the whole situation. I just want the truth to finally come out, and to know that alive or dead Madrid didn't suffer."

Fucking autocorrect, not Madrid, Maddie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes it's been all over Facebook that now they want to sue the court of appeal. They're so guilty but it looks as though the media are finally getting it and printing the truth. Hopefully they will come unstuck and we will get to know what really happened to Maddie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No shortage of parents who inflict abuse on their children, which is why I have an open mind as to the possibilites, even without taking into account their dubious behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread is 15 minutes old and the general opinion is the same, I'd guess by the time it gets to 175 posts there isn't a McCann supporter in sight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure what to believe..they aren't innocent though

Is maddie dead or alive?.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm not sure what to believe..they aren't innocent though

Is maddie dead or alive?....."

We probably won't know until they finally admit the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No shortage of parents who inflict abuse on their children, which is why I have an open mind as to the possibilites, even without taking into account their dubious behaviour. "

Aye true, but how could you keep something like that secret, how could you propagate a lie, deny your own flesh and blood the decency of a proper burial? The abuse aspects I can almost understand having come to terms with my own past but I was in no doubt there was love there. To not confess to involvement in something as huge as this... how can they live with that?

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

The bottom line is ... Don't get complacent .. there are always people about who are out to take advantage of certain situations... I would never let my young children out of my sight or in danger.. especially when I was on holiday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not many children who go missing turn up alive after such a long time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

gossip

nothing

but

gossip

bother yourself with your own life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No shortage of parents who inflict abuse on their children, which is why I have an open mind as to the possibilites, even without taking into account their dubious behaviour.

The mind does boggle, but people can and do get caught up in defensive lies to the point where they almost believe it themselves. I don't think we will ever know the truth of this case.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

as per usual

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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago

Southampton

I've never quite worked out why, if it was a genuine abduction, that they only took Maddie. I know that paedophiles sometimes only want a certain age or type of child but they only took her not the other two? Parents definitely did it

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

as per usual "

Oh please! Get over yourselves!

What has being open minded about sex got to do with this subject?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've never quite worked out why, if it was a genuine abduction, that they only took Maddie. I know that paedophiles sometimes only want a certain age or type of child but they only took her not the other two? Parents definitely did it "

A multiple kidnap of small children would be pretty difficult for one person to pull off.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

If your child was missing why would you waste money fighting in the courts and not spend it trying to find her?

So much of the money generously donated by members of the public in good faith has been spent trying to gag the media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If your child was missing why would you waste money fighting in the courts and not spend it trying to find her?

So much of the money generously donated by members of the public in good faith has been spent trying to gag the media. "

But imagine the trauma of reading all that has been said if you were innocent with two other children also being exposed to the rumours? And the more was said, the less inclined people were to offer assistance or contemplate serious investigation of possible abduction?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If your child was missing why would you waste money fighting in the courts and not spend it trying to find her?

So much of the money generously donated by members of the public in good faith has been spent trying to gag the media. "

They can't win.

Fight it they're accused of wasting money & caring about the media. Don't fight and they'd be accused of being guilty.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roses are red

Violets are blue

Kate and gerry

We know it was you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

as per usual

Oh please! Get over yourselves!

What has being open minded about sex got to do with this subject?! "

clearly from this thread, nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok, so let's assume they are innocent... Now how do we explain the fact that the cadaver dogs found scent of a dead body in the apartment, they also detected something in the car that was hired after her dissaperance.

Then there is also the fact they disposed of a fridge freezer from the apartment and replaced it. Which has been reported by several people.

If a fridge broke down in my holiday rental I would report it to the company not replace it myself.

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

I think they innocent!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the whole maddie thing has never sat right with most people - at best they went for a drink and left the kids home alone(that is punishable and bad enough) - and at worst - well i darent even think - not sure we will ever know the truth but it sickens me

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

What has being open minded about sex on Fab( although that isn't a given either )have to do with anything else that is going on in the world?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I am not sure why they are wasting more money appealing this or even taking him to court in the first place. Once something is out there it can't be taken back and them highlighting it all the time is just making it more out there for all to read.

I can understand that they would want to keep their missing child in the media until she was found but all this is doing is defending themselves and costing shed loads of money that could be spent looking for the child. If they had just ignored it the book probably wouldn't have got so much publicity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!"

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least "

They still could be innocent for doing the child further harm though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty."

dont think people hate them for those reasons at all

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty."

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

as per usual

Oh please! Get over yourselves!

What has being open minded about sex got to do with this subject?!

clearly from this thread, nothing "

You're not making any sense. Just because I like kinky sex doesn't mean I can't find the whole Maddie disappearance and subsequent media circus conducted by her parents odd. Or are open minded people not allowed opinions?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The bottom line is ... Don't get complacent .. there are always people about who are out to take advantage of certain situations... I would never let my young children out of my sight or in danger.. especially when I was on holiday

It's the only thing we know they were guilty of and got away with, leaving there 3 small children alone while they went out, should have been prosecuted for that.

I've been abroad with my kids many times and never took my eyes off them for a second.

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least "

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

As a parent we all think that.

Sadly statistically it's most likely to be the parent or at least a member of close family, therefore you have to rule out that emotion that we feel that no parent would do that or act like that or suffer that.

The number 1 suspect straight off the bat for the police is the parent and you have to rule them out by evidence.

Personally I don't think the police ever managed to rule out the McCanns!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge"

Obviously people will tell others they shouldn't have an opinion on it or judge but there is nothing to say people can't

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

You think swingers leave their children alone to go have sex?!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

Seriously? Do you include yourself in the "most"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

Obviously people will tell others they shouldn't have an opinion on it or judge but there is nothing to say people can't "

There is no proof they did it? Innocent until proven guilty. People can think and say what they want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

say what now?!

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

Obviously people will tell others they shouldn't have an opinion on it or judge but there is nothing to say people can't

There is no proof they did it? Innocent until proven guilty. People can think and say what they want"
.

There's no evidence for a kidnapping either

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

Obviously people will tell others they shouldn't have an opinion on it or judge but there is nothing to say people can't

There is no proof they did it? Innocent until proven guilty. People can think and say what they want"

Innocent until proven guilty is the how the law works ... people can have their own _iews

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By *KMaxMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

And some! Fuck me, I would hate to be tried by a jury if this thread is anything to go by. Who needs Evidence, it's all over Facebook so they must be guilty!

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

It's the only thing we know they were guilty of and got away with, leaving there 3 small children alone while they went out, should have been prosecuted for that.

I've been abroad with my kids many times and never took my eyes off them for a second.

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge"

For a second?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

Speak for yourself???

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By *ornstudMan
over a year ago

alnwick

"gossip

nothing

but

gossip

bother yourself with your own life

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how wright you are

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think we'll never know what the real story is. They won't tell and if someone else is complicit in something untoward, they'll keep quiet too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

seriously !!!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

And some! Fuck me, I would hate to be tried by a jury if this thread is anything to go by. Who needs Evidence, it's all over Facebook so they must be guilty!"

So do you have any _iews on it or are you just going to pour scorn over other peoples _iews rather than join in the debate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the only thing we know they were guilty of and got away with, leaving there 3 small children alone while they went out, should have been prosecuted for that.

I've been abroad with my kids many times and never took my eyes off them for a second.

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

For a second? "

Yeah never left my side, were you there? My oldest tripped over once and fell in the deep end of a pool he was 3, cause he was right next to me I just reached down n pulled him out, that's called watching your kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are for the kid....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what we could never understand is why would you leave 3 young children in there appartment on there own in the first place. Even if they didnt have anything to do with it why werent they punished for leaving them .. At very least the other 2 should have been taken away from them. NOTHING was ever mentioned about that. They arent thick ppl far from it so why oh why was they allowed to get away with leaving them on there own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They will spend every penny of the Find Madeleine Fund aka their limited company suing anyone who disputes their version of events. Already almost £500K has been withdrawn as 'investments' according to the latest audited accounts.

More and more people are reading the PJ official files and Goncalo Amaral's book and realising the lies they have been spinning since the beginning. Even the media is slowly turning - the articles are not so supportive to the McCanns and are mentioning the facts of the case more and more.

Their appeal against the Portuguese Supreme Court's finding has no basis in law, and is likely to be disallowed. They are unravelling.

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I wonder if the truth will ever come out?

As a mother you dont want to think a parent could be so cold and devoid of emotion to do this. As a realist you know its a very real possibility.

You have to feel for the extended family, siblings/grandparents for their loss

Mrs WD40

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

*some* not most.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think we will ever know the truth, but that poor little girl will never be at peace till her body is found.

I personally think the parents had something to do with it.

Sorry I find it strange that they brought a book out about it all

What next a film, it wouldn't suprise me in the least if this don't happen

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By *KMaxMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

And some! Fuck me, I would hate to be tried by a jury if this thread is anything to go by. Who needs Evidence, it's all over Facebook so they must be guilty!

So do you have any _iews on it or are you just going to pour scorn over other peoples _iews rather than join in the debate?"

I've seen news stories and read gossip, nowhere near enough to formally an opinion of guilt, and I would suggest that a huge majority of those who are convinced of their guilt have seen the same amount of 'evidence' that I have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does anyone remember the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia years ago?

Don't know why, but this thread reminded me of it.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

This case reminds me so much about Lindy chamberlain and the dingo that took her baby from a tent at Ayres Rock (Uluru) back in the 1980s. The case divided Australia, with many disbelieving that a dingo had the ability to carry off a baby in its mouth and 'undress' the baby without ripping the clothes to shreds. Suspicion and stories circulated about to fuel the need to damn this god fearing family. Both parents were charged and convicted on circumstantial, hearsay, manufactured and twisted evidence. The police original investigation was a travesty. After spending 3 years in jail, Lindy was finally released, when a piece of evidence that Lindy always claimed the baby was wearing was found, but had been dismissed, because it was missing from the rest of the clothing that was found (the body was never found). Subsequently, both parents after 35 years have been fully exonerated, though speculation still suggests human involvement.

I'm not 100% if the McCann's are totally innocent or guilty, I have an open mind though. I do think they are guilty of child neglect and abandonment, and I think this is what has convicted them through the media, with speculation of them being involved in her disappearance. If they are involved, then their circle of friends must be too. I do think though, it would be very difficult for several people to keep a secret all these years, without any slip ups.

I think people should just leave them alone until there is any hard evidence (if there is any!), which points to any guilt. Trial through the media is really appalling and the media love sensational stories, only to interested in selling their newspapers.

If I knew I was innocent and people were writing books about me saying I was guilty, I would certainly defend myself.

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By *reamweaversCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

I suspect they tried to cover up what was gross irresponsible parenting and have got lost within their own lie that went too far

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

And some! Fuck me, I would hate to be tried by a jury if this thread is anything to go by. Who needs Evidence, it's all over Facebook so they must be guilty!

So do you have any _iews on it or are you just going to pour scorn over other peoples _iews rather than join in the debate?

I've read the files on it from the Portuguese police, that are available all over the Internet. The parents are still the prime suspects in the case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone remember the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia years ago?

Don't know why, but this thread reminded me of it.

You beat me to it!

How weird

I was just googling stuff about that case earlier.

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

"Does anyone remember the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia years ago?

Don't know why, but this thread reminded me of it.

You beat me to it!

How weird

I was just googling stuff about that case earlier."

I certainly remember the case, as I was a teen in Australia during the time and how everyone was talking about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

It's hardly just the fab community that are massively suspicious and cynical of the McCanns is it?

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

Seriously? Do you include yourself in the "most"?"

I don't have kids

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People should remember British police only have a legal remit to investigate a crime overseas if both the victim and perpetrator are British citizens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone remember the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia years ago?

Don't know why, but this thread reminded me of it.

You beat me to it!

How weird

I was just googling stuff about that case earlier.

I certainly remember the case, as I was a teen in Australia during the time and how everyone was talking about it."

And I'm sure there would have been threads on here about that case if it had happened recently, proclaiming her guilt

On a side note, I lived in the Solomon Islands in the late 70's for a few years

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

You think swingers leave their children alone to go have sex?! "

I didn't say they left them alone to go and have sex, they could just popped up the shop or friends house to get a bowl of sugar.

I'm sure most swingers invited strangers round to their houses for sex while the kids are upstairs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

Honestly? Never, and I'm appalled at the suggestion.

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"Does anyone remember the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia years ago?

Don't know why, but this thread reminded me of it.

Yes I remember that case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep! "

There is a world of difference between leaving your kids home alone and inviting someone round for sex. The first is neglect, the second is harmless because YOU are HOME.

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

And some! Fuck me, I would hate to be tried by a jury if this thread is anything to go by. Who needs Evidence, it's all over Facebook so they must be guilty!

So do you have any _iews on it or are you just going to pour scorn over other peoples _iews rather than join in the debate?

Most people have wrote I think, not I can prove.

So the case of a missing 4 year old girl, up and disappearing without a trace, no sign of a break in, actually the door was unlocked but the initial story by Kate was that the window had been forced open and it blew the curtains, no sign of damage to the shutters or the window, no signs of forcing, no evidence that it was actually ever open or opened at all, so her initial story of curtains blowing was actually not true, theres been no evidence of anybody seen in the area, virtually all these "suspects" that have been reported in the vicinity have turned out to be bogus.

They initially said they'll never leave Portugal until they're daughter is found,a very genuine thing a parent would say, however as soon as the Portuguese made them suspect they upped and left and didn't return, now if you really want to help find your daughter the best thing is to cooperate with the police as much as possible and stay there as long as possible, answer every question they have as honest as possibly, your innocent, there's obviously no proof of your guilt with time the police investigation will show that, the police do presume the parents because statistically it's most likely to be them in these cases.

So they left went back to the UK and spent considerable amounts of money firstly making the Madeline fund very hard to trace by off shore holding and making it a trust, then they hired some of the most dubious " investigators" you could find, that have done nothing but put misleading and bogus stories of "some new lead" or "missed evidence" , they spent a fortune making the Portuguese police out to be incompetent when there's no evidence of incompetence, they hired some of the best media people you could who have thrown story after story into the papers, none of which have done anything to find their daughter but merely to show what a "victim" they are.

Gerry constantly comes up with "oh we'll take a lie detector test or anything to find Maddy" but always manages to find some reason not to, ah so what you say, well the best way to put as much media, public and police attention into finding Maddy is to first rule out your prime suspects, themselves.

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

Honestly? Never, and I'm appalled at the suggestion. "

Wasn't personally aimed at you

So calm down

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I hope they find her and hopefully positively.

They live the torment daily for stupid error of judgement.

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

There is a world of difference between leaving your kids home alone and inviting someone round for sex. The first is neglect, the second is harmless because YOU are HOME."

Oh right

So it's ok to invite a total stranger to your house to have sex while kids are upstairs asleep?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This case reminds me so much about Lindy chamberlain and the dingo that took her baby from a tent at Ayres Rock (Uluru) back in the 1980s. The case divided Australia, with many disbelieving that a dingo had the ability to carry off a baby in its mouth and 'undress' the baby without ripping the clothes to shreds. Suspicion and stories circulated about to fuel the need to damn this god fearing family. Both parents were charged and convicted on circumstantial, hearsay, manufactured and twisted evidence. The police original investigation was a travesty. After spending 3 years in jail, Lindy was finally released, when a piece of evidence that Lindy always claimed the baby was wearing was found, but had been dismissed, because it was missing from the rest of the clothing that was found (the body was never found). Subsequently, both parents after 35 years have been fully exonerated, though speculation still suggests human involvement.

If I knew I was innocent and people were writing books about me saying I was guilty, I would certainly defend myself."

i think most people would leave them alone but they keep on putting themselves back in the picture -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?"

But on what evidence? Gut feeling? For 10 years the McCanns have been vilified in the press and social media for not acting how a lot of people think they should. To those who say 'I think they're guilty', I'd say try to imagine for a moment that they are actually innocent of harming Madeline and that she really was abducted 10 years ago. How much harder must it on them, and their other children, to be constantly living under a cloud of suspicion. I'll go on assuming the McCanns are innocent unless a court of law says otherwise.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?

This is my opinion.

There is not enough evidence for an arrest so I'm leaning towards they are innocent.

But for other posters to say they should have their other children taken from them I find quite worrying.

What sort of a country do you want this to be where children are taken from their parents because something seems fishy ?

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By *KMaxMan
over a year ago

Bristol

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hung drawn and quartered by the open minded fab community

And some! Fuck me, I would hate to be tried by a jury if this thread is anything to go by. Who needs Evidence, it's all over Facebook so they must be guilty!

So do you have any _iews on it or are you just going to pour scorn over other peoples _iews rather than join in the debate?

Nope...I've read the official police files. I'm also not gullible enough to believe everything the MSM reports

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By *ab femWoman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

You think swingers leave their children alone to go have sex?!

I didn't say they left them alone to go and have sex, they could just popped up the shop or friends house to get a bowl of sugar.

I'm sure most swingers invited strangers round to their houses for sex while the kids are upstairs! "

I completely disagree with your broad sweeping statement and I for one have never had a stranger in my house for sex when the kids are in. I actually don't even have anyone in the house when the kids are out either!

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?

There's no evidence whatsoever that she was abducted!. The only thing we know is she is missing, how and why has not yet been proved either way, to keep saying she's been abducted when there's no evidence of an abduction and then to say people are going off gut feelings is well hypocritical at best

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Think most swingers have left there kids alone at some point or another or even invited strangers round to their houses for sex, while their kids are upstairs asleep!

You think swingers leave their children alone to go have sex?!

I didn't say they left them alone to go and have sex, they could just popped up the shop or friends house to get a bowl of sugar.

I'm sure most swingers invited strangers round to their houses for sex while the kids are upstairs!

Did I say you did?

Can we get back on topic

I think they are innocent

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Who here, in all honesty, knows what happened that night, knows what they would have done in a the same situation or how they would have reacted to such a tragedy?

I think the coverage of this story is callous. As are a number of responses on this thread.

There's a famine in South Sudan, a bomb blast killed 34 in Mogadishu this morning and another in Pakistan on Thurs killed 88 and injured 343.

And you lot are obsessed about this case.

That tells me more about you than about the sad case of a little girl who'll probably never be found.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the day she applies for a passport the eye blemish will show up and the AI will pick her out ????dont shoot the messenger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who here, in all honesty, knows what happened that night, knows what they would have done in a the same situation or how they would have reacted to such a tragedy?

I think the coverage of this story is callous. As are a number of responses on this thread.

There's a famine in South Sudan, a bomb blast killed 34 in Mogadishu this morning and another in Pakistan on Thurs killed 88 and injured 343.

And you lot are obsessed about this case.

That tells me more about you than about the sad case of a little girl who'll probably never be found. "

All it tells me is not everyone follows the news...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who here, in all honesty, knows what happened that night, knows what they would have done in a the same situation or how they would have reacted to such a tragedy?

I think the coverage of this story is callous. As are a number of responses on this thread.

There's a famine in South Sudan, a bomb blast killed 34 in Mogadishu this morning and another in Pakistan on Thurs killed 88 and injured 343.

And you lot are obsessed about this case.

That tells me more about you than about the sad case of a little girl who'll probably never be found.

All it tells me is not everyone follows the news... "

actual news is a bit more difficult though i guess....attention grabbing headlines are far easier to entertain people with spurious,nasty suppositions on something none of actually have many 'facts' about..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A multiple kidnap of small children would be pretty difficult for one person to pull off.

Was it only one kidnapper then? "

Is there any report of more than one person 'hanging around'? And yes, many paedophiles have a preferred "type".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?

This is my opinion.

There is not enough evidence for an arrest so I'm leaning towards they are innocent.

But for other posters to say they should have their other children taken from them I find quite worrying.

What sort of a country do you want this to be where children are taken from their parents because something seems fishy ?"
we arent saying the kids should be taken because theres something fishy about her abduction. we are saying that even if they didnt have any part in it the fact still remains that they left 3 young kids in apartment on there own. not teenagers but very young kids. that in it self is neglect.. We as parents would never ever do that.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

It always amuses me that sniffer dogs found the scent of death.. Did anyone actually asks the dogs for their expert opinion or was it just the scent of the previous users pork steaks that leaked juices through the polythene bag.

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Who here, in all honesty, knows what happened that night, knows what they would have done in a the same situation or how they would have reacted to such a tragedy?

I think the coverage of this story is callous. As are a number of responses on this thread.

There's a famine in South Sudan, a bomb blast killed 34 in Mogadishu this morning and another in Pakistan on Thurs killed 88 and injured 343.

And you lot are obsessed about this case.

That tells me more about you than about the sad case of a little girl who'll probably never be found.

All it tells me is not everyone follows the news...

It sells newspapers.

It feeds hate.

It reflects badly on us all.

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty."
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Hauled over the coals?.

By whom, they were made suspects in Portugal for a very short time, according to the detective in change, they were ordered to drop that from people high up (there could be many reasons from the dodgy to simply looking after tourism).

The press was actually extremely Pro mcanns for the first few years of Maddy's disappearance so where the general public who donated millions into the find Maddy fund, the social services have never investigated the mcanns or put any orders on them, the British police have never investigated them.

How you get to hauling them over the coals I really don't know.

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Honestly I find the whole reaction to this thread and elsewhere pretty distasteful. Its some of the ugliest stuff Ive ever seen. Nobody knows whats happened but the witch hunt has been in full swing for nearly a decade.

Despite the fact that we're all old enough to be familiar with that poor Australian woman whose child was killed by dingos but lived through years of torturous accusations and a conviction by the courts for murder of her own child the majority of people are quite happy to do the exact same thing over and over again.

Keyboard warriors smugly sitting in front of their screens happily proclaiming the guilt of the McCanns when in truth they know nothing about what happened. We've seen this disgraceful behaviour before when people start deciding the guilt or innocence of people without having enough information. If they had a shred of decency they'd actually consider the horrific situation that exists if they are innocent. And how they contribute to that with their mindless blabbering online.

But they wont because they "know" what happened.

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

It's a disappearance, there's no evidence to suggest she was abducted.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty..

Hauled over the coals?.

How you get to hauling them over the coals I really don't know.

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle"

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Honestly I find the whole reaction to this thread and elsewhere pretty distasteful. Its some of the ugliest stuff Ive ever seen. Nobody knows whats happened but the witch hunt has been in full swing for nearly a decade.

But they wont because they "know" what happened.

Correct, sadly

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty..

Hauled over the coals?.

How you get to hauling them over the coals I really don't know.

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle"

I thought the British police did go over and investigate ...

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty..

Hauled over the coals?.

How you get to hauling them over the coals I really don't know.

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!"
.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"After the break, more speculation..."

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

It's the only thing we know they were guilty of and got away with, leaving there 3 small children alone while they went out, should have been prosecuted for that.

I've been abroad with my kids many times and never took my eyes off them for a second.

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

For a second?

Thanks for pointing out what watching your kids is.... did they go to bed?

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty..

Hauled over the coals?.

How you get to hauling them over the coals I really don't know.

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

I thought the British police did go over and investigate ..."
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They have been all over Europe investigating many many leads, but they've never investigated the mcanns

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something that none of you have mentioned so far....

They DRUGGED their children so they could go out and not have to listen to them creating a fuss/crying or wanting a drink etc.

This alone is punishable..

As for poor Maddie 'disappearing' well we all have our own conclusions.... the drugs were too strong that night maybe?

GUILTY of child neglect at the very least!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least "

Exactly this, whether they were involved or not, whatever happened to her after they left her alone with her younger siblings is on their heads.

Any parent that leaves children (especially that young) alone in an apartment in a foreign country doesn't deserve children. The fact that they were out drinking with friends just makes it worse in my opinion. I'm sure the parents on here wouldn't do that either, well I'd hope not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If your child was missing why would you waste money fighting in the courts and not spend it trying to find her?

So much of the money generously donated by members of the public in good faith has been spent trying to gag the media. "

And they also paid 6 months of there mortgage out of the fund until a certain national paper brought it to everyone's attention and then they stopped

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Something that none of you have mentioned so far....

They DRUGGED their children so they could go out and not have to listen to them creating a fuss/crying or wanting a drink etc.

This alone is punishable..

As for poor Maddie 'disappearing' well we all have our own conclusions.... the drugs were too strong that night maybe?

GUILTY of child neglect at the very least!"

Was there a court case that passed me by ?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Something that none of you have mentioned so far....

They DRUGGED their children so they could go out and not have to listen to them creating a fuss/crying or wanting a drink etc.

This alone is punishable..

As for poor Maddie 'disappearing' well we all have our own conclusions.... the drugs were too strong that night maybe?

GUILTY of child neglect at the very least!

Was there a court case that passed me by ? "

Alternate facts, ok?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting"

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

But thats not how they work. They give false positives because all they do is measure stress responses. The theory being that if youre lying your more likely to be stressed. Also talking about your possibly abducted, murdered daughter that half the country thinks you killed could also be stressful.

Polygraphs are used by the CIA etc. sometimes as a tactic to flush out the truth and in cases where they investigate their own because investigating their own shouldnt lead to false positives because theyre better trained to deal with stress and they do these tests as a matter of routine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucking autocorrect, not Madrid, Maddie

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

It's tiny involuntary responses that occurs when you ask your brain to lie, they are actually extremely accurate in the vast majority of cases but not 100%.

Yes they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

It's tiny involuntary responses that occurs when you ask your brain to lie, they are actually extremely accurate in the vast majority of cases but not 100%.

Yes they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet."

Theyre accurate in less than 90% of cases according to studies.

They give both false positives and false negatives.

If youre in a highly stressful situation, such as being accused of the murder of your own daughter, you can fail the test despite being innocent. The reason theyre not used is because they incorrectly found people guilty.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

It's tiny involuntary responses that occurs when you ask your brain to lie, they are actually extremely accurate in the vast majority of cases but not 100%.

Yes they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet.

Theyre accurate in less than 90% of cases according to studies.

They give both false positives and false negatives.

where does that leave all of Jezzas culprits then ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet."

10 years worth of training?

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Theyre accurate in less than 90% of cases according to studies.

They give both false positives and false negatives.

where does that leave all of Jezzas culprits then ?"

Well thats just entertainment and lets be honest, the people on that show arent the brightest

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

It's tiny involuntary responses that occurs when you ask your brain to lie, they are actually extremely accurate in the vast majority of cases but not 100%.

Yes they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet.

Theyre accurate in less than 90% of cases according to studies.

They give both false positives and false negatives.

Fuck me were going round in circles,I just said there not 100% accurate which is why there not used in courts and will never be used in courts.

However they are a legitimate tool in investigating, the chances of both of them providing false positives on a lot of questions would be very high, you don't just ask them are you guilty!!.

You ask them lots and lots of questions about their time at the pool, the timing of going back to visit, drugs, what they did in the following weeks and you ask them lots of questions you can already prove as leading questions and then you compare the results on the hundreds of questions you've asked and then compare both of their results and it gives you reasonable but not 100% accuracy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a scantily clad lady to ask the questions on a lie detector test and I'm sure the most innocent of men would fail it

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

It's tiny involuntary responses that occurs when you ask your brain to lie, they are actually extremely accurate in the vast majority of cases but not 100%.

Yes they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet.

Theyre accurate in less than 90% of cases according to studies.

They give both false positives and false negatives.

Fuck me were going round in circles,I just said there not 100% accurate which is why there not used in courts and will never be used in courts.

However they are a legitimate tool in investigating, the chances of both of them providing false positives on a lot of questions would be very high, you don't just ask them are you guilty!!.

We are going round in circles because youre not a knowledging that stressful situations invalidate the test results.

Say it with me now: High levels of stress invalidate the results.

They would both find that situation stressful so they're both likely to throw up false positives.

The tests are below 90% accuracy in CONTROLLED circumstances. Not life and death, future of your wife/husband and your kids hanging in the balance kind of stress.

One more time: High levels of stress invalidates the results.

End circle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty."

Why haven't the mccanns been done for neglect?? Too middle-class and not working class,

The facts are

1 the left their children alone in a hotel apartment

2 not content with that the drugged said children so they could go out drinking with friends

They are at best guilty of child neglect and should of been prosecuted and had their other 2 children taken off them

At worse they overdosed their own child killed her and then covered it up with a fake abduction

Either way they should be in court facing criminal charges

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over a year ago

But they wont because they "know" what happened.

Well said. Innocent until proven guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought she accidentally died by falling in the apartment and they couldn't call for assistance because she was heavily sedated, as were the twins who have been reported to have slept soundly through the commotion of police back and forth the apartment.

When Kate did the check where they discovered she had gone she came out saying they've taken her, didn't say Maddie but Gerry knew who she was on about, could easily have been Amelie the girl twin. Gerrys large sports bag which he was seen with every day up until the abduction day but hasn't been found since. CSI human blood dogs detected baddies blood in the apartment and the hire car.

Also Kate when she did the appeal she looked quite fresh faced and had changed her earrings from the ones she had on that night. In times like that would you think to change your jewellery and make yourself look nice?

I dunno, it's speculation, either way they should never ever have left those kids alone. They'd also use the kids club from morning to evening everyday through the holiday, it's like if you're gonna take your kids on holiday take them with you, no need to stick them in day care, pretty pointless if you ask me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think they innocent!

They left their child alone for starters....that in itself makes them guilty of neglect at the very least

Exactly this, whether they were involved or not, whatever happened to her after they left her alone with her younger siblings is on their heads.

Exactly right m8 we wouldn't leave our young children alone ever

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

You know theres a reason that lie detectors are never used in criminal cases right? Its cause they dont work!.

No that's just not true, they work perfectly well but they can be beaten by genuine nut jobs and people trained to beat them.

That's why the UK doesn't use them in criminal courts.

The FBI still use them, the CIA still use them, military intelligence still use them, Interpol use them, there a very helpful tool in investigating but not prosecuting

Well if they worked like you say they do then they could be used to prove guilt but not innocence?

It's tiny involuntary responses that occurs when you ask your brain to lie, they are actually extremely accurate in the vast majority of cases but not 100%.

Yes they can be beaten by highly trained people, but you do need to be highly trained to beat one, you certainly couldn't do it just by looking up some stuff on the internet.

Theyre accurate in less than 90% of cases according to studies.

They give both false positives and false negatives.

Fuck me were going round in circles,I just said there not 100% accurate which is why there not used in courts and will never be used in courts.

However they are a legitimate tool in investigating, the chances of both of them providing false positives on a lot of questions would be very high, you don't just ask them are you guilty!!.

We are going round in circles because youre not a knowledging that stressful situations invalidate the test results.

Say it with me now: High levels of stress invalidate the results.

They would both find that situation stressful so they're both likely to throw up false positives.

The tests are below 90% accuracy in CONTROLLED circumstances. Not life and death, future of your wife/husband and your kids hanging in the balance kind of stress.

One more time: High levels of stress invalidates the results.

End circle."
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I don't think your actually reading what I wrote.

So yes we agree, on a per question basis 90% reliability.

That's why I said there a useful investigation tool, that's why the CIA still use them and Interpol and the FBI.

Your not asking them ONE question, your building a number of questions into the inter_iew with also a number of qualified questions (IE ones you actually know are true or false), your then examining all the questions including all the qualifying questions, if you see the same anomalies in both sets on numerous occasions you can get some useful data from them, you can then compare both Kate and Gerry's inter_iews to see if any or all or bits of the data overlap.

It's not about true/false on did you murder your daughter, that's a simplistic explanation of how polygraphs work and how the tests are constructed and set up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the only thing we know they were guilty of and got away with, leaving there 3 small children alone while they went out, should have been prosecuted for that.

I've been abroad with my kids many times and never took my eyes off them for a second.

The rest of it we don't know so can't judge

For a second?

Thanks for pointing out what watching your kids is.... did they go to bed? "

Of course they did?? In our family room?? With me and there mum in the room with them?? What's your point??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty."

You honestly think that the dogs mistook the scent of death for meat?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty..

Hauled over the coals?.

How you get to hauling them over the coals I really don't know.

Anyhow to answer your last sentence, take a lie detector test, it seems that everybody is happy to belive all the results on Jeremy kyle

I thought the British police did go over and investigate ....

They have been all over Europe investigating many many leads, but they've never investigated the mcanns"

You can't say that with any certainty, like any investigation the police will only share what they want the public to know.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

Fuck me were going round in circles,I just said there not 100% accurate which is why there not used in courts and will never be used in courts.

However they are a legitimate tool in investigating, the chances of both of them providing false positives on a lot of questions would be very high, you don't just ask them are you guilty!!.

We are going round in circles because youre not a knowledging that stressful situations invalidate the test results.

Say it with me now: High levels of stress invalidate the results.

They would both find that situation stressful so they're both likely to throw up false positives.

The tests are below 90% accuracy in CONTROLLED circumstances. Not life and death, future of your wife/husband and your kids hanging in the balance kind of stress.

One more time: High levels of stress invalidates the results.

End circle..

I don't think your actually reading what I wrote.

So yes we agree, on a per question basis 90% reliability.

That's why I said there a useful investigation tool, that's why the CIA still use them and Interpol and the FBI.

It's not about true/false on did you murder your daughter, that's a simplistic explanation of how polygraphs work and how the tests are constructed and set up"

No, not on a per question basis. The ENTIRE tests are effective in LESS than 90% in CONTROLLED circumstances.

The tests have been ruled next to useless in criminal proceedings because there is no degree of accuracy. If your idea that comparing two peoples stories together held any weight then theyd be used in any crime with two or more criminals. But they dont.

CIA/Interpol use them against their own because these people will not panic and get stressed in these situations and are well trained to do debriefings so they are far, far, far less likely to give a false positive than the general population.

Youre arguing a ridiculous point that the courts and science and testing and the police have all agreed on and they agree youre wrong. Lie detectors on the general public is a useless endeavour that gives no clarity. When he agreed to the lie detector He obviously thought they were reliable but now Im sure hes been told otherwise only he cant back down now because the Jeremy Klye crowd who are impressed by pseudoscience will be convinced of his guilt if he gets overly stressed during the questioning and gives a false positive.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

"Keeping an open mind on this,

The media will always try and create a story that doesn't exist to discredit the latest media story in a bid to sell their paper..

Over sensationalise something and eventually it becomes truth..

All the evidence against them is purely circumstantial and unsubstantiated by some extremely poor witnesses motivated by cash.

They have been hauled across the coals by the police, media and public alike...

With that in mind, imagine you were in their place, what would you do to prove your innocence when everyone else has you guilty.

You honestly think that the dogs mistook the scent of death for meat?"

The dogs didnt say "Hey guys, smells like dead bodies over here." They reacted towards the boot, we dont know why because we cant ask them. The dogs are trained to find bodies because theyre given treats when they do so yeah they could react to food that way because in an indirect way thats why they react to the smell of bodies, to get the treat.

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I'm not bothering replying to you, were not having a two way dialect anymore, your just repeating the same thing over and over despite what I told you previously.

Your clearly intent on being right for the sake of being right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lie detectors only work on probability so not an exact science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lie detector test, truth drug. That is what I would be willing to do.

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By *xplicitlyricsMan
over a year ago

south dublin

I'm not bothering replying to you, were not having a two way dialect anymore, your just repeating the same thing over and over despite what I told you previously.

Your clearly intent on being right for the sake of being right.

Yes, me, the courts in pretty much every country, the police in pretty much every country and everyone who's done a study is wrong and youre right. Apologies, Ill let them all know how wrong we were

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Fiiiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhht

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I don't know any of the facts.

I mean the actual facts.

Not the facts that people decide are facts and then turn into undeniable gospel.

I wasn't at their dinner table, I wasn't in her bedroom.

I know effall.

*shrugs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I don't know any of the facts.

I mean the actual facts.

Not the facts that people decide are facts and then turn into undeniable gospel.

I wasn't at their dinner table, I wasn't in her bedroom.

I know effall.

*shrugs

But "the facts" are on the internet for everyone to read

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I don't know any of the facts.

I mean the actual facts.

Not the facts that people decide are facts and then turn into undeniable gospel.

I wasn't at their dinner table, I wasn't in her bedroom.

I know effall.

*shrugs

me either...but mindless lynch mobs never really need many 'facts'..

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Lie detectors only work on probability so not an exact science "
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I never said it was an exact science but then when having a dialect about it if your in disagreement and you want to be seen as right just shout pseudo science alot and that the courts don't agree with me?.

Your correct it's about probability and the tests are conducted on probability through hundreds of questions not just one!, what we're the anomalies on that question, what we're the anomalies on this one and that one and that one, half of which we know to be true or false already, the more suspects you have the greater probability you have, one is the least reliable two is more reliable three more still four is very reliable as it's a numbers game, if all four show anomalies on one particular question like, did you drug the child?, you can quite reliably (not guarantee) conclude the child was drugged.

That's how it's used as an investigation tool not as some all knowing deity!.

Alas some people just want to be seen as right or correct, so it comes down to shouting match where they use pseudo science as there parting shot.

Nowhere did I say a lie detector would or should be seen as proof or innocence, it's merely data to add to other data to make a case either way.

What is wrong is everybody referring to it as an abduction when there's zero evidence of an abduction.

A small child went missing from an unlocked apartment at ten at night? The last credible witness to see her alive was around 5 hours before, the investigation should start at that point.

It's possible that she walked out of the apartment on her own free will and was run over by a d*unk driver who hid the body fearing the worst (a bit like Ben Needham).

Which is why the police have to investigate everything and why as the parents you have to answer all questions as honest as possibly to speed along ruling yourself out which as parents and the last ones to see the missing child makes you number 1 suspect!.

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

I like most just imagined the mc,canns to be negligent parents but having trawled all the evidence there is only one conclusion any sane reasonably perceptive person can draw . It is that mad die died in the apartment and the parents disposed of her body . It is the conclusion the Portuguese police also made but there investigation was scuppered by the British government . This is not just about the mc,canns but also the sinister establishment forces that conspire to help them evade justice including Scotland Yard who continue to use public funds searching for a child they know is long gone

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"I like most just imagined the mc,canns to be negligent parents but having trawled all the evidence there is only one conclusion any sane reasonably perceptive person can draw . It is that mad die died in the apartment and the parents disposed of her body . It is the conclusion the Portuguese police also made but there investigation was scuppered by the British government . This is not just about the mc,canns but also the sinister establishment forces that conspire to help them evade justice including Scotland Yard who continue to use public funds searching for a child they know is long gone "

Absolute codswallap.

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

Really ...so the government is incapable of furthering there own agenda at the expense of the truth ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Really ...so the government is incapable of furthering there own agenda at the expense of the truth ?"

What would the government's agenda be in this case?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Really ...so the government is incapable of furthering there own agenda at the expense of the truth ?"

What would any government or police force gain from covering up any information they had about this case ?

And why would the police pretend to investigate something that they new the answers to ?

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By *et-shortyMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Personally I don't understand how the mcanns are not seen as the number 1 suspects in light of evidence to the contrary.

It was 5 hours before that the last credible witness saw Maddy when she left the day crèche.

That's how Investigations work, your the number 1 suspect until proven otherwise, if there'd locked the children into the apartment then at least we could say there was an attempted abduction from the signs of break in, without that, without witnesses of suspects in the vacinity, without any physical evidence to the contrary the police would assume your the number 1 suspect, which is why they should have answered all the police questions as quickly as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lie detectors only work on probability so not an exact science .

That's how it's used as an investigation tool not as some all knowing deity!.

Alas some people just want to be seen as right or correct, so it comes down to shouting match where they use pseudo science as there parting shot.

Nowhere did I say a lie detector would or should be seen as proof or innocence, it's merely data to add to other data to make a case either way.

What is wrong is everybody referring to it as an abduction when there's zero evidence of an abduction.

A small child went missing from an unlocked apartment at ten at night? The last credible witness to see her alive was around 5 hours before, the investigation should start at that point.

It's possible that she walked out of the apartment on her own free will and was run over by a d*unk driver who hid the body fearing the worst (a bit like Ben Needham).

I don't recall reading anywhere that the digger driver who is alleged to have killed Ben Nedham was d*unk.

As for Madeleine McCann, we don't know, we may never know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do so many hate the McCanns. Too middle class, too priviliged, too educated, too stoic, too resilient. Not the helpless, working class sterotypes we expect at all. They must be guilty.

Or maybe they just think something fishy is going on?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

This thread is (very largely) disgusting and there are people on here who ought to be ashamed of themselves.