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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So the government are bringing in 30hrs free childcare from Sept in my area and as a working mum it will help me out loads. Matthew wright on the Wright stuff programme said that childcare owners will be running off into the sunset with their millions of tax payers money where in reality the nursery my son goes to will only get £4.04 per hr for my child, which is nothing. Will the 30 hrs benefit you and do you think Matthew Wright was wrong?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

He's wrong. The margins are so tight, particularly in London and other areas where property prices are high. Getting the staff ratios, with increased wage costs that include pension contributions is also difficult.

I think the real problem will be for parents to find a place for their child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ex and I had children and we felt the responsibility of them and the cost of bringing them up was ours and not the government's that many people think otherwise.

If it was their; child benefit, child tax credit, vouchers etc.. then we took them. But we always believed they should have been scrapped and reduce the tax burden on the public in general. Then if you want kids, make it a wise and financial choice as well.

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I like the 30 hour funding... but most definitely not running off in the sunset with the tax money.. fair from it really.. £4.5 ( some places less per hours) that less the minimum wage.. also not forgetting it's paid every 3 months ( yes meaning independent childcare will only get paid every 3 months.) Hmm not sure how most will live on that really. I think he and a lot of others need to research / look at what they are talking about befor hand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

unfortunately,it comes as budget cuts are biting as well...many places are unable to renew nursery and teaching assistants contracts in the coming terms,which cuts into the amount of children they can take in in the first place...sounds a great idea but in practice its giving with one hand and taking away with another

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Plus a 2 parent family who earn £199,000 a year together still qualify for the 30hrs funding, surely with these huge salaries they dont need the 30hrs? I couldnt manage without the 15 hours free i get now for my son

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly we're not able to have to 30 hours as our bundle of joy is due either today or tomorrow. But we're both highish earners and the cost of child care is crippling we're having to rely on grandparents to help us. One of the things that needs to be fixed in this country is the cost of childcare then maybe the government wouldn't need to pay out loads, plus it may encourage people back to work rather than stay at home.

Remember childcare has to be paid for 52 weeks a year not just when being used.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"My ex and I had children and we felt the responsibility of them and the cost of bringing them up was ours and not the government's that many people think otherwise.

If it was their; child benefit, child tax credit, vouchers etc.. then we took them. But we always believed they should have been scrapped and reduce the tax burden on the public in general. Then if you want kids, make it a wise and financial choice as well.

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

"

That isn't what happened. It was a recognition that women and families needed help with childcare in order to be economically productive units. The fragmentation of extended families made traditional childcare models obsolete.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

"

That isn't what happened. In order to support a growing older population we need a large young, fit working population. I think in part it's the government supporting the people providing that population. Also behind every single mum is a single father who bears 50% of the responsibility for the child being born.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

That isn't what happened. In order to support a growing older population we need a large young, fit working population. I think in part it's the government supporting the people providing that population. Also behind every single mum is a single father who bears 50% of the responsibility for the child being born."

If both parents would support the kid equally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If 30 hours free childcare would enable the parent to get a decent job instead of struggling on benefits then

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

That isn't what happened. In order to support a growing older population we need a large young, fit working population. I think in part it's the government supporting the people providing that population. Also behind every single mum is a single father who bears 50% of the responsibility for the child being born.

If both parents would support the kid equally. "

I don't like the way single mothers are demonised when there will have had to be a man involved somewhere along the line barring AI or a virgin birth. A father should support his children I agree but if he doesn't it isn't always the mother's fault.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

That isn't what happened. In order to support a growing older population we need a large young, fit working population. I think in part it's the government supporting the people providing that population. Also behind every single mum is a single father who bears 50% of the responsibility for the child being born.

If both parents would support the kid equally.

I don't like the way single mothers are demonised when there will have had to be a man involved somewhere along the line barring AI or a virgin birth. A father should support his children I agree but if he doesn't it isn't always the mother's fault."

I agree.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"If 30 hours free childcare would enable the parent to get a decent job instead of struggling on benefits then "

Will it though?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the government are bringing in 30hrs free childcare from Sept in my area and as a working mum it will help me out loads. Matthew wright on the Wright stuff programme said that childcare owners will be running off into the sunset with their millions of tax payers money where in reality the nursery my son goes to will only get £4.04 per hr for my child, which is nothing. Will the 30 hrs benefit you and do you think Matthew Wright was wrong?"

Matthew wright is not someone whos opinion is worth listening too.

It will help thousands of parents. Create additional employment in nurseries, and get lots of people back to working longer hours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If 30 hours free childcare would enable the parent to get a decent job instead of struggling on benefits then

Will it though? "

I don't know so can't really comment.

Possible issues with no suitable local jobs, jobs within school/ childcare hours, people too lazy to get a job and thinking the world owes them a life on benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" and get lots of people back to working longer hours.

"

There's a lot to be said for minding your own kids. Society is broken when both parents HAVE to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is usually wrong.....let's be honest, he has never been the brightest bulb in the box!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If 30 hours free childcare would enable the parent to get a decent job instead of struggling on benefits then "

Only if they want to work.

Slightly different scenario I know, when I've offered more hours to working parents they very rarely take me up on the offer. This can be for numerous reasons obviously including the fact they have got used to working the hours / days they do and don't want work to impact on their socialising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no strong opinions either way about the policy - but it bugs me when governments put commitments in place without adequately funding them. They'll take the glory of being the government that gave parents 30 hours free childcare, never mind the fact that nurseries won't be able to afford to provide it so many parents won't be able to find a place.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I have no strong opinions either way about the policy - but it bugs me when governments put commitments in place without adequately funding them. They'll take the glory of being the government that gave parents 30 hours free childcare, never mind the fact that nurseries won't be able to afford to provide it so many parents won't be able to find a place."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP is correct in her words plus having to wait three months for monies to come through I'm usually out of pocket lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not trying to start an argument just genuinely interested in people's opinions . What about people getting the free 15 or 30 hours who don't work ?

Do you agree they should get it ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not trying to start an argument just genuinely interested in people's opinions . What about people getting the free 15 or 30 hours who don't work ?

Do you agree they should get it ?"

No they shouldn't!

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts


"My ex and I had children and we felt the responsibility of them and the cost of bringing them up was ours and not the government's that many people think otherwise.

If it was their; child benefit, child tax credit, vouchers etc.. then we took them. But we always believed they should have been scrapped and reduce the tax burden on the public in general. Then if you want kids, make it a wise and financial choice as well.

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

"

Although you do get cases where women have multiple kids outside of relationships, I don't agree with demonising single Mothers/Fathers, especially where it is simply a case of the relationship breaking down - After all, they are not the ones who left.

Even if the other parent supports the child/ren financially, both parents will have their own financial commitments and childcare costs can be crippling.

We are lucky enough that we can survive off of Bradley's wages alone but are very lucky in our circumstances.

Many don't have that luxury.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I don't like the way single mothers are demonised when there will have had to be a man involved somewhere along the line barring AI or a virgin birth. A father should support his children I agree but if he doesn't it isn't always the mother's fault."

Depends on our experiences. I have single father friends who have residence of their kids because the mother doesn't look after and support the kids. It works both ways.

I have a friend in the benefits office, I'll stand by my comment about the government's error in funding single mothers. Why not jump the council house waiting list and pop a kid out!!

Anyhow, have to go out, everyone enjoy their day.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Not trying to start an argument just genuinely interested in people's opinions . What about people getting the free 15 or 30 hours who don't work ?

Do you agree they should get it ?

No they shouldn't!"

It was intended that it would allow them to attend training and apply for jobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I completely agree with that.

It's just that I know someone in their 30s who has never worked and I can't say it doesn't irk me that they get 15hours free childcare and have no intention of working

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts


"And I completely agree with that.

It's just that I know someone in their 30s who has never worked and I can't say it doesn't irk me that they get 15hours free childcare and have no intention of working "

I know. I was offered 22hrs free childcare for my Son but as my daughter is still below nursery age as well and I still couldn't work, I didn't use it as it's not needed.

I am glad they are upping the hours for working parents though.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"My ex and I had children and we felt the responsibility of them and the cost of bringing them up was ours and not the government's that many people think otherwise.

If it was their; child benefit, child tax credit, vouchers etc.. then we took them. But we always believed they should have been scrapped and reduce the tax burden on the public in general. Then if you want kids, make it a wise and financial choice as well.

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"And I completely agree with that.

It's just that I know someone in their 30s who has never worked and I can't say it doesn't irk me that they get 15hours free childcare and have no intention of working "

It would irk me too but I don't feel its a reason to withdraw free childcare from everyone.

We need children. The cost of renting or buying a house takes more than one salary usually, meaning in two parent households both have to work. The cost of childcare is high (in my opinion it's undervalued and should be higher) so what's to be done? Pay one parent to stay at home, pay both parents a benefit so they can work part time, provide free childcare or not give any concessions to parents at all meaning there are fewer children. Fewer children means in 16 years time a reduced work force with much reduced tax and national insurance, huge knock on effect for pensions etc.

I suppose we could look at the other end of life and start withdrawing benefits from older people, pension credit for instance because they should have made adequate provision, state pension, winter fuel allowance, free bus passes, free prescriptions...

I'm glad it's not me who has to work out an answer to the problem because I'm not sure I could come up with one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

That's a good point as I know loads of oldies who are minted so do they need their pensions etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the government are bringing in 30hrs free childcare from Sept in my area and as a working mum it will help me out loads. Matthew wright on the Wright stuff programme said that childcare owners will be running off into the sunset with their millions of tax payers money where in reality the nursery my son goes to will only get £4.04 per hr for my child, which is nothing. Will the 30 hrs benefit you and do you think Matthew Wright was wrong?"

Will that be from birth as at the moment you can only get free child care for kids three and over?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"That's a good point as I know loads of oldies who are minted so do they need their pensions etc "

I wouldn't recommend it though . I just think it isn't fair to put the blame on one section of society only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have mixed feelings regarding this .

On the one hand , those who really need it should get whatever help is available as it helps both the parents and children .

On the other hand , if it makes people feel even more entitled , or if they don't need it , it's a waste of money , and couldn't make lazy people even more idle .

Personally , I've never claimed a penny for any of my kids , nor my stepson , as I don't need it and it's been my choice to bring them into the world . Therefore I feel it's my responsibility to fund their upbringing .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

30 hrs is only for workin parents tho so it's not about being lazy and getting it when not working. It for 3 and 4 year olds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My ex and I had children and we felt the responsibility of them and the cost of bringing them up was ours and not the government's that many people think otherwise.

If it was their; child benefit, child tax credit, vouchers etc.. then we took them. But we always believed they should have been scrapped and reduce the tax burden on the public in general. Then if you want kids, make it a wise and financial choice as well.

Giving money to single mums to have kids was one of the biggest mistakes politicians made.

"

People's circumstances change though don't they

When I had children I was married and we both worked so money wasn't an issue nor was childcare as he worked days and I worked night

Like many people our marriage broke down and I was left alone with three kids and only one income and an ex who didn't give a shit about his kids enough to help support them

So you then have two choices, pack up work or use a child minder, financially it make more sence to give help towards childcare as paying for 30 hours a week childcare costs it's much cheaper than keeping a mother and three kids in benefits

I'm all for helping people who try to help themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree in helping those who are willing to return to work however I also agree that children from non working families should have the chance to go to nursery too as this is where they learn to be social and build relationships with other children...that's the child's rights and should not be dependant on if their parents work...we already have a generation of kids who are starting to show lack of communication and mixing well in social situations...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You don't have to work to get the 15 hrs though for 3 and 4 yr olds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't have to work to get the 15 hrs though for 3 and 4 yr olds"

But kids go to nursery anyway at 3 and 4 so why do unemployed people need to put their kids into a funded day care for 15 hours a week?

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By *andJ2227Couple
over a year ago

Swadlincote

The 30 hours is still only for 3 years and over. The only funding available for under 3's is for 2 year olds that is dependent upon income. It is given to low income families aimed at vulnerable children.

The rate in which the government pay the settings is ridiculous, it is not financially viable to have good qualified practitioner's with the national living wage pushing up the wage bill and the government paying pennies for most children to have 30 hours for free!

Many settings will end up going under or charging ridiculous amounts to the under 3s to break even.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

30hrs will be a huge benefit to me and I can't wait to get my son into nursery although it's proving to be a big challenge finding him a place. Me and my partner have spent two years living with her parents and her mum has kindly been having him during the week while we work full time to be able to save the money and get a place of our own. It's been tough on her due to having fibromyaglia, especially this time of year where the weather definitely isn't on her side. Getting him into nursery for free will be a huge help to us as we couldn't afford it otherwise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Childcare owners won't be running off into the sunset with masses of money.

Where i work we already struggle to provide the spaces for the funded 3 year olds and also the 2 year olds that qualify for funding too.

The money the government gives us isn't enough to cover the childcare costs as it is !

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"You don't have to work to get the 15 hrs though for 3 and 4 yr olds

But kids go to nursery anyway at 3 and 4 so why do unemployed people need to put their kids into a funded day care for 15 hours a week?"

So the children mix with other children, learn skills other than those their parents teach them, things like that.

Nobody questions unemployed people sending their children to school for free, I don't think this is that much different.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Childcare owners won't be running off into the sunset with masses of money.

Where i work we already struggle to provide the spaces for the funded 3 year olds and also the 2 year olds that qualify for funding too.

The money the government gives us isn't enough to cover the childcare costs as it is !"

I bet its not. Good childcare is costly and in my opinion worth paying more for. Kids are this country's most valuable asset, they need and deserve the best we can give them regardless of their parents status.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't have to work to get the 15 hrs though for 3 and 4 yr olds

But kids go to nursery anyway at 3 and 4 so why do unemployed people need to put their kids into a funded day care for 15 hours a week?

So the children mix with other children, learn skills other than those their parents teach them, things like that.

Nobody questions unemployed people sending their children to school for free, I don't think this is that much different."

No I'm not saying children shouldn't mix with other kids, it just seems odd to me that when they are at an age where they already go to nursery 5 mornings/afternoons a week they then get another 15 hours in day care

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"You don't have to work to get the 15 hrs though for 3 and 4 yr olds

But kids go to nursery anyway at 3 and 4 so why do unemployed people need to put their kids into a funded day care for 15 hours a week?

So the children mix with other children, learn skills other than those their parents teach them, things like that.

Nobody questions unemployed people sending their children to school for free, I don't think this is that much different.

No I'm not saying children shouldn't mix with other kids, it just seems odd to me that when they are at an age where they already go to nursery 5 mornings/afternoons a week they then get another 15 hours in day care"

Oh got it, sorry I misunderstood.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to shot to shit for this.

But I'm saying it.

I think people need to consider the cost of kids BEFORE they have them.

I think a lot of people see the system as the "fail safe".

Now..having said that, I understand that kids are often unplanned.

So it is a good idea to have that "fail-safe" in place.

I don't have kids, but if/when I do, it's my responsibility to provide for that kid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm going to shot to shit for this.

But I'm saying it.

I think people need to consider the cost of kids BEFORE they have them.

I think a lot of people see the system as the "fail safe".

Now..having said that, I understand that kids are often unplanned.

So it is a good idea to have that "fail-safe" in place.

I don't have kids, but if/when I do, it's my responsibility to provide for that kid.

"

As I stated above sometimes people circumstances change, they may have been in a good financial position to have kids when they had them but we can all fall on hard times a few years down the line

When I had my kids I was married and we had two incomes, he then left me and I dropped down to one income with the same outgoings and even though I have a good paid job I still struggled

What about women in that situation who are stay at home mums and when their fella leaves they have no income at all?

It's not black and white peoples situations differ

Some people need a helping hand to get back on their feet

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster


"I'm going to shot to shit for this.

But I'm saying it.

I think people need to consider the cost of kids BEFORE they have them.

I think a lot of people see the system as the "fail safe".

Now..having said that, I understand that kids are often unplanned.

So it is a good idea to have that "fail-safe" in place.

I don't have kids, but if/when I do, it's my responsibility to provide for that kid.

"

I previously had a great career and could easily provide for my kids by myself, then recession hit and my job went with it, I've done nothing but scrape by in crappy jobs since

Sometimes circumstances change

None of us have a crystal ball to see the future with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

As I stated above sometimes people circumstances change, they may have been in a good financial position to have kids when they had them but we can all fall on hard times a few years down the line

When I had my kids I was married and we had two incomes, he then left me and I dropped down to one income with the same outgoings and even though I have a good paid job I still struggled

What about women in that situation who are stay at home mums and when their fella leaves they have no income at all?

It's not black and white peoples situations differ

Some people need a helping hand to get back on their feet"

This is exactly WHY this sort of "fail-safe" does and should exist, unfortunately it's also open to hell of a lot of abuse.

And you can't say "scrap the system"..because those who really need it, will struggle.

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By *hoenixcouplexxCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Mathew Wright is an idiot who's shows researchers clearly hadn't done their research. When someone did call him out for saying some very offensive things about those working in the childcare industry, he claimed it was a joke and they couldn't take one. Anyone that did see the original clip can clearly see he was not joking atall, he just didn't get the response he was expecting because he was talking out of his arse.

30 hours free childcare from the government...

First of all you need the places to offer for all those people claiming an additional 15 hours a week which they don't have.

Secondly you need to pay an amount that means the industry can actually make it financially viable to offer the free childcare which they are not. At least alone on its own anyway, it is just going to push costs elsewhere as the industry tries to recoup the loss.

Oh and you need to force the local councils to pay the settings in such a way they can make it work instead of like ours at one point once a year, then 3 times a year and now no-one has a clue.

Run off over the horizon with tax payers money?! Yeah right you want to try doing it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So the government are bringing in 30hrs free childcare from Sept in my area and as a working mum it will help me out loads. Matthew wright on the Wright stuff programme said that childcare owners will be running off into the sunset with their millions of tax payers money where in reality the nursery my son goes to will only get £4.04 per hr for my child, which is nothing. Will the 30 hrs benefit you and do you think Matthew Wright was wrong?"

If this is true then surely they are profiting. The nursery I use don't charge £4.04 an hour. Off the top of my head for over 2s is about £3.50 per hour.

So they are making £16.20 per week per child profit.

(Roughly)

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By *hoenixcouplexxCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"So the government are bringing in 30hrs free childcare from Sept in my area and as a working mum it will help me out loads. Matthew wright on the Wright stuff programme said that childcare owners will be running off into the sunset with their millions of tax payers money where in reality the nursery my son goes to will only get £4.04 per hr for my child, which is nothing. Will the 30 hrs benefit you and do you think Matthew Wright was wrong?

If this is true then surely they are profiting. The nursery I use don't charge £4.04 an hour. Off the top of my head for over 2s is about £3.50 per hour.

So they are making £16.20 per week per child profit.

(Roughly) "

Are you sure of that number? That is really really cheap!

8 hours care a day for £28?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You don't have to work to get the 15 hrs though for 3 and 4 yr olds

But kids go to nursery anyway at 3 and 4 so why do unemployed people need to put their kids into a funded day care for 15 hours a week?"

The reason this scheme started in the first place was for unemployed parents. Kids were starting school and the ones who had never been to nursery were so far behind that they couldn't keep up with the rest of the class. They didn't know how to behave in a classroom setting or interact with other children.. in all... affecting the whole class.

I don't see these free hours as a way to help the parents out... but to help the children. Early education is so important. You learn more in the first 5 years of your life than you do in the rest of it.

Typically.. my kids are past this point now and are in school.

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