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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... " In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life." Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life." That's brilliant xxx I am 3 weeks in | |||
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"We're looking in to starting keto, and then moving on to the paleo diet. I believe that it's a more natural way of eatting and shows lots of health benefits " I believe that LCHF is more stricter than paleo... but yes much better way of life | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life." I am very strict at the moment... meat fish eggs veg salad etc do you have any delicious recipe's you could pass on please xxxx | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help." So many... Jimmy Moore, Banting, Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist) Zoe Harcombe, McKendrick. Have a look at The Public Health Collaboration, they have a conference coming up in Manchester and the speakers are big names. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. I am very strict at the moment... meat fish eggs veg salad etc do you have any delicious recipe's you could pass on please xxxx" A million and one! Thankfully, it's way more mainstream than when I stared but the basics for me are; No vegetable oils, apart from olive. Good fats. Ghee, lard, dripping, coconut, butter. Proteins. Green vegetables. Dairy. No wheat, potatoes or rice. Nothing low fat. Others include berries, nuts, seeds and milk but I can't. I'm severely insulin resistant. | |||
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"How many grams of carbs a day are you talking?" I'm on less than 20g. Any more than that and I crave and gain weight. Everybody has their personal limit. | |||
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"How many grams of carbs a day are you talking? I'm on less than 20g. Any more than that and I crave and gain weight. Everybody has their personal limit." Are you constantly in ketosis? They say people on VLCD should only be in ketosis for 12 weeks then have 1 week higher carb. Sorry I know I should Google but you have personal experience which I think is more useful. | |||
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"How many grams of carbs a day are you talking? I'm on less than 20g. Any more than that and I crave and gain weight. Everybody has their personal limit. Are you constantly in ketosis? They say people on VLCD should only be in ketosis for 12 weeks then have 1 week higher carb. Sorry I know I should Google but you have personal experience which I think is more useful. " Don't know, I've not checked for years but I must be will into keto adaption by now! I would never go back to carbs, even temporarily. I'm addicted to them. My HbA1c is 4.6 I'm eight stones lighter, my blood lipids are outstanding and I'm healthier now than when I was in my 30's. The body you see on my avatar is the result of LCHF. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help. So many... Jimmy Moore, Banting, Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist) Zoe Harcombe, McKendrick. Have a look at The Public Health Collaboration, they have a conference coming up in Manchester and the speakers are big names." Love it on my 5th year and it got pleasurable side effects on your hormones as well. Might be coming up to the Manchester conference as volunteer. Also check dietdoctor.com  | |||
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"How many grams of carbs a day are you talking? I'm on less than 20g. Any more than that and I crave and gain weight. Everybody has their personal limit. Are you constantly in ketosis? They say people on VLCD should only be in ketosis for 12 weeks then have 1 week higher carb. Sorry I know I should Google but you have personal experience which I think is more useful. Don't know, I've not checked for years but I must be will into keto adaption by now! I would never go back to carbs, even temporarily. I'm addicted to them. My HbA1c is 4.6 I'm eight stones lighter, my blood lipids are outstanding and I'm healthier now than when I was in my 30's. The body you see on my avatar is the result of LCHF." That's fantastic! 
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help. So many... Jimmy Moore, Banting, Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist) Zoe Harcombe, McKendrick. Have a look at The Public Health Collaboration, they have a conference coming up in Manchester and the speakers are big names. Love it on my 5th year and it got pleasurable side effects on your hormones as well. Might be coming up to the Manchester conference as volunteer. Also check dietdoctor.com "I don't meet many folk who are as dedicated as I am! So happy to meet you
I can't go to the conference but please, could report back to me? | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help. So many... Jimmy Moore, Banting, Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist) Zoe Harcombe, McKendrick. Have a look at The Public Health Collaboration, they have a conference coming up in Manchester and the speakers are big names. Love it on my 5th year and it got pleasurable side effects on your hormones as well. Might be coming up to the Manchester conference as volunteer. Also check dietdoctor.com
I don't meet many folk who are as dedicated as I am! So happy to meet you
I can't go to the conference but please, could report back to me?"That would be very as I'm very dedicated too. Did less than 10 grams for a couple of years. I hope I can go and be happy to report about it. My loss has been nearly 5 st and many dress sizes. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help. So many... Jimmy Moore, Banting, Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist) Zoe Harcombe, McKendrick. Have a look at The Public Health Collaboration, they have a conference coming up in Manchester and the speakers are big names. Love it on my 5th year and it got pleasurable side effects on your hormones as well. Might be coming up to the Manchester conference as volunteer. Also check dietdoctor.com
I don't meet many folk who are as dedicated as I am! So happy to meet you
I can't go to the conference but please, could report back to me?
That would be very as I'm very dedicated too. Did less than 10 grams for a couple of years. I hope I can go and be happy to report about it. My loss has been nearly 5 st and many dress sizes. "You've put a massive smile on my face. As bloody wonderful as the weight loss has been, the bit I love the most is all the other health benefits that goe with it but most of all, seeing my family and friends embrace the theories and WOE. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. Topsy what were those other names of writers you mentioned, I didn't get a chance to Google before you fell out the bottom of my inbox! I've been low carb for many years but have to get fairly draconian to lose weight. 16/8 seems to help. So many... Jimmy Moore, Banting, Aseem Malhotra (a UK cardiologist) Zoe Harcombe, McKendrick. Have a look at The Public Health Collaboration, they have a conference coming up in Manchester and the speakers are big names. Love it on my 5th year and it got pleasurable side effects on your hormones as well. Might be coming up to the Manchester conference as volunteer. Also check dietdoctor.com
I don't meet many folk who are as dedicated as I am! So happy to meet you
I can't go to the conference but please, could report back to me?
That would be very as I'm very dedicated too. Did less than 10 grams for a couple of years. I hope I can go and be happy to report about it. My loss has been nearly 5 st and many dress sizes.
You've put a massive smile on my face. As bloody wonderful as the weight loss has been, the bit I love the most is all the other health benefits that goe with it but most of all, seeing my family and friends embrace the theories and WOE. "Couldn't agree more and made so many friends all over the world embracing this woe. If could choose I'd love to work with food and health maybe PHC in the future. | |||
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"LCHF Low Carb High Fat opinions please on this way of life... Anyone tried it, live by it or rubbish it.... In June, it will be my tenth year and I'm not exaggerating when I say it's saved my life. I am very strict at the moment... meat fish eggs veg salad etc do you have any delicious recipe's you could pass on please xxxx A million and one! Thankfully, it's way more mainstream than when I stared but the basics for me are; No vegetable oils, apart from olive. Good fats. Ghee, lard, dripping, coconut, butter. Proteins. Green vegetables. Dairy. No wheat, potatoes or rice. Nothing low fat. " Thanks Topsy, that's roughly the diet I need to live on too. Some interesting names/sites there but most seem to be extolling the virtues of controlled carb diets to control hyperinsulinaemia which I have been advocating for about 20 years now, lol. But whilst I do not avoid the right fats, neither do I specifically seek them out as the original research I did back in the nineties threw up studies showing that whilst high fat diets lowered insulin response, they did increase insulin resistance (high omega 3 fats were the exception to this). With the horses certainly we have to avoid high fat diets, indeed they were used to treat polysaccharide storage myopathies by actually increasing resistance to insulin (PSSM is associated with hypersensitivity). So, if you know of any work that specifically relates to the need to raise fats I would be very interested?? I'm wondering where the work on fat:protein ratios came from? I shall have a trawl through PubMed abstracts as I haven't done any research for a number of years. | |||
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"Don't go there, reduces your sugar tolerance thus increasing your risk of type 2 diabetes. It has visible effects with little to no effort on exercising. My advice, low calorie low fat diet, less carbs after 5pm. Increase cardiovascular activity, including jogging on a treadmill etc. Be patient with it and it'll work, don't go for the FAD." Low carb diets are not a fad, we have been using them to treat insulin resistance for many years now, in humans and animals. | |||
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"Don't go there, reduces your sugar tolerance thus increasing your risk of type 2 diabetes. It has visible effects with little to no effort on exercising. My advice, low calorie low fat diet, less carbs after 5pm. Increase cardiovascular activity, including jogging on a treadmill etc. Be patient with it and it'll work, don't go for the FAD." I do see that it works for some, but I certainly wouldn't advise it for active people. | |||
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"Don't go there, reduces your sugar tolerance thus increasing your risk of type 2 diabetes. It has visible effects with little to no effort on exercising. My advice, low calorie low fat diet, less carbs after 5pm. Increase cardiovascular activity, including jogging on a treadmill etc. Be patient with it and it'll work, don't go for the FAD. I do see that it works for some, but I certainly wouldn't advise it for active people. " Why not? I ride, swim, dance lindy all night long. ... the body is very capable of fueling itself via many pathways and insulin resistance causes gross exercise intolerance. The horses only need significant carbs for sprint work, stamina and endurance are fine on lipid fuel, better for an IR individual. Standard exercise physiology does not apply if there is significant insulin resistance. | |||
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"Just keeping going, it's such a wonderful way to nourish your body with real food keep satiety and enjoy life the toughest part is the initial part when you get rid of the sugar cravings. Certainly Tim Noakes as Peter Attia has shown that this works excellent for athletes as well." | |||
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" Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. " Because if you become insulin resistant, which people (and animals) are in epidemic proportions (without known cause) then the only way to control hyperinsulinaemia (and the vast array of serious health issues it causes) naturally is to restrict carbs!! With the horses it literally keeps them alive as insulin resistance causes an excuciatingly painful and potentially fatal condition of their feet. Carb restriction is not about fad diets, it's about saving lives, and quite frankly possibly stopping the NHS going bankrupt (which apparently the epidemic of 'diabesity' may well do.) | |||
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" Carb restriction is not about fad diets, it's about saving lives, and quite frankly possibly stopping the NHS going bankrupt (which apparently the epidemic of 'diabesity' may well do.)" Oh, by eating less you mean ?  | |||
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" Carb restriction is not about fad diets, it's about saving lives, and quite frankly possibly stopping the NHS going bankrupt (which apparently the epidemic of 'diabesity' may well do.) Oh, by eating less you mean ? "No not at all - often eating WAY more - more protein, more fats, more calories - just less carbs. Most horses with metabolic syndrome are in fact kept in a state of malnutrition! !! | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
Eve. X"Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones. Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function! Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable. | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
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Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones.
Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function!
Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable."And you can discount flour products too as flour is milled so fine by the high speed rollers used nowadays it is, in effect, sugar. | |||
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"Is there anybody on here who is vegetarian or vegan and sticks to this diet? That's me off beer then..." id eat next to nothing if I was vegan or vegetarian as I couldn't maintain it x | |||
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"I'd love to give this a go but the list of can't haves is a bit overwhelming, I need a food buddy lol" They are replaced with lots of food can haves that have been wrongly demonised over the years. Cream, butter, eggs, fattier cuts of meat, lard, ghee, chicken skin, bacon, full fat everything... | |||
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"I'd love to give this a go but the list of can't haves is a bit overwhelming, I need a food buddy lol" Am happy to be a buddy as Im only 4 weeks in xxx | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
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Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones.
Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function!
Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable."Interesting. What I said was a fact is based off nutritional courses I have attended and my training as a personal trainer in order to understand how carbs are used to fuel the anaerobic system and how they are broken down to be used within the body. If you are telling me we don't need carbs in our diet then I shall have to do some more research and look into further nutritional courses to correct my knowledge. I have always been told it's dangerous to have no carbs in your diet. When I did a competition type prep, I was eating very high protein and very high fat but very low carb. It was a very testing time and I certainly lost a high percentage of body fat but I was emotionally unstable. Macros calculates the amount of carbs you need for a fitness goal. I would always refer a diabetic and would never advise on a nutritional plan as I am not a GP or a registered dietician but for the average Joe..macro tracking is healthy as hell. Eve. | |||
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"I'm rediscovering this one as I think the 'high fat' bit is a tad misleading and based upon the fact we have been told to minimise our fats for so long, we don't know what 'normal' consumption is anymore. Certainly, if we are getting our energy from carbs then by reducing them, we have to get it from another source and that would be fat. The fact that fat fills us up quickly means we don't actually eat as much as we think we do but it seems a huge amount compared to the sugary, lean, frankenfats consumed for decades. I think I've only got a couple of studies from ten years ago but I'm not even sure if I saved them. Once I'd done the original research, I didn't bother keeping up but I'll have a look. " Thanks, I'd appreciate it - I was up on PubMed and Google Scholar 'til 2am, lots of new research to look at lol! | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
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Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones.
Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function!
Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable.
Interesting. What I said was a fact is based off nutritional courses I have attended and my training as a personal trainer in order to understand how carbs are used to fuel the anaerobic system and how they are broken down to be used within the body.
"Yes, but anaerobic respiration is much less efficient and only required for maximal effort like sprinting - everything else is far more efficiently done aerobically and can quite efficiently use lipids. Of course carbs are a convenient fuel but if your body has pathology which means you vastly over-excrete insulin in response to glucose until your muscles, and eventually your liver fail to respond to it at all any more - well then it might not be the most sensible idea!! Exercise is protective, but even elite athletes can suddenly become insulin resistant if eg they suffer injury, or their diet is too high in simple carbs. Your training was aimed at normal physiology - you need to study the abnormal to get what we are saying. | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
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Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones.
Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function!
Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable.
Interesting. What I said was a fact is based off nutritional courses I have attended and my training as a personal trainer in order to understand how carbs are used to fuel the anaerobic system and how they are broken down to be used within the body.
Yes, but anaerobic respiration is much less efficient and only required for maximal effort like sprinting - everything else is far more efficiently done aerobically and can quite efficiently use lipids.
Of course carbs are a convenient fuel but if your body has pathology which means you vastly over-excrete insulin in response to glucose until your muscles, and eventually your liver fail to respond to it at all any more - well then it might not be the most sensible idea!!
Exercise is protective, but even elite athletes can suddenly become insulin resistant if eg they suffer injury, or their diet is too high in simple carbs.
Your training was aimed at normal physiology - you need to study the abnormal to get what we are saying."Of course I'm talking about the average person as the OP didn't mention any sort of illness or disability in her original post. You can't train hypertrophy using the aerobic system now can you? As mentioned in my previous post, any person who came to me for nutritional advice and had an underlying condition would be referred to a registered dietician as I am merely qualified as a nutritional adviser and I don't deal with people that require specialist diets for health issues. My original opinion still stands in that the average person should track their macros and eat the correct amount of carbs for their goal which is often a decent amount of carbs regardless of their goal. You also only mentioned simple carbs, of course I don't mean to just eat simple carbs! I track and I eat lots of carbs but I eat a healthy balance of simple qnd complex carbs at the relevant points in the day for my lifestyle. As you can see from my pictures, it works for me. I am in no way saying that other ways won't work too but why restrict something your body needs? Eve. | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
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Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones.
Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function!
Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable."Ck aider ongoing that fruit and vegetables are carb sources, I reckon your information is flawed. There are carbs in all cereal, there are carbs in anything that contains sugar of any variety..including natural sweeteners like honey etc. There are carbs in full fat milk. Carbs on sweet potato. Carbs in quinoa, pearl barley etc. Carbs in pasta. Carbs in rice and so on. Try looking at the GI index and the ratio of complex to simple carbs. How they are used and which are beneficial to the body. Have you actually attended any nutritional courses or just going off your own opinion and the opinion of others? Eve. X | |||
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" As you can see from my pictures, it works for me. I am in no way saying that other ways won't work too but why restrict something your body needs? Eve. " Because it does not need it - that's a fallacy. And many, many people have an altererd physiology that means it needs to be restricted to benefit their health. (I googled your chosen system and they showed large amounts of white bread which are pretty simple 'fast burn' carbs!) | |||
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" Ck aider ongoing that fruit and vegetables are carb sources, I reckon your information is flawed. There are carbs in all cereal, there are carbs in anything that contains sugar of any variety..including natural sweeteners like honey etc. There are carbs in full fat milk. Carbs on sweet potato. Carbs in quinoa, pearl barley etc. Carbs in pasta. Carbs in rice and so on. " Exactly!! Virtually ALL of those things need part or total restriction to control insulin resistance!!! | |||
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" As you can see from my pictures, it works for me. I am in no way saying that other ways won't work too but why restrict something your body needs? Eve. Because it does not need it - that's a fallacy. And many, many people have an altererd physiology that means it needs to be restricted to benefit their health. (I googled your chosen system and they showed large amounts of white bread which are pretty simple 'fast burn' carbs!)" My system? The anaerobic system? Ha ha large amounts of white bread? That's what Google does for you where as I actually gained a qualification and attended courses to actually be educated. White bread. Ha ha ha. I have white bread maybe once a year when I fancy it. I don't eat it otherwise and neither do any of the Fitness folk that I know or follow so bang goes your theory as they all use the same system. I am a fitness professional and the most simple carb I use is honey. The rest are complex carbs. I don't eat junk food, I eat well. I would never recommend folk to eat lots of simple carbs although fruit is classed as a simple carbs so what's your theory then? Again, are you actually being educated from credited courses or just Internet research? Eve. | |||
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" You can't train hypertrophy using the aerobic system now can you? " Apparently you can, the belief you cannot is described as merely 'dogma' in this paper: Exerc Sport Sci Rev. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2015 Aug 4. Published in final edited form as: Exerc Sport Sci Rev. 2014 Apr; 42(2): 53–61. doi: 10.1249/JES.0000000000000007 PMCID: PMC4523889 NIHMSID: NIHMS555460 Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy after Aerobic Exercise Training Adam R. Konopka1 and Matthew P. Harber2 Author information ? Copyright and License information ? The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at Exerc Sport Sci Rev See other articles in PMC that cite the published article. Go to: Abstract Current dogma suggests aerobic exercise training has minimal effect on skeletal muscle size. We and others have demonstrated that aerobic exercise acutely and chronically alters protein metabolism and induces skeletal muscle hypertrophy. These findings promote an antithesis to the status quo by providing novel perspective on skeletal muscle mass regulation and insight into exercise-countermeasures for populations prone to muscle loss. Keywords: protein metabolism, endurance exercise, sarcopenia, anabolic resistance, ubiquitin proteasome pathway, myostatin, mitochondria | |||
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" Ck aider ongoing that fruit and vegetables are carb sources, I reckon your information is flawed. There are carbs in all cereal, there are carbs in anything that contains sugar of any variety..including natural sweeteners like honey etc. There are carbs in full fat milk. Carbs on sweet potato. Carbs in quinoa, pearl barley etc. Carbs in pasta. Carbs in rice and so on. Exactly!! Virtually ALL of those things need part or total restriction to control insulin resistance!!!" So then only for people who need it for health issues!!!! Which I have repeated countless times is not something I would claim to be able to help with!! Unless you are a registered dietician or GP, neither can you. Eve. | |||
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"I track my macros. In my opinion, this is the healthiest way to reach your goals. The body needs carbs to function, fact. The body needs fats to function, also a fact. The body needs protein to grow and repair muscles..again, fact. Why anyone would overly restrict one of the macronutrients is beyond me. Track your macros accurately each day and your body will recognise that you are giving it the same amount of macros and calories each day. It will then learn how many calories to store for function and will learn to get rid of the excess. Give it a Google, watch some YouTube videos etc and maybe join a FB group for support and advice. Just my opinion.
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Actually, carbs are not necessary for anything. They have no nutritional content at all. The brain converts protein by a process of gluconeogenesis for the minuscule amount of sugar it needs and functions way better on ketones.
Your 'fact' on carbs really isn't one, it's just dogma that's been passed on over and over based on extremely flawed science and research. If it were. I and tens of thousands of people would be dead by now. It's ludicrous to tell a diabetic that carbs are needed to function!
Take away all the processed stuff that really, nobody should be eating, and what are you left with; rice, potatoes and flour products. What exactly does a body need out of any of that? Carbs are not a food group and eaten on their own are tasteless and unpalatable.
Interesting. What I said was a fact is based off nutritional courses I have attended and my training as a personal trainer in order to understand how carbs are used to fuel the anaerobic system and how they are broken down to be used within the body.
Yes, but anaerobic respiration is much less efficient and only required for maximal effort like sprinting - everything else is far more efficiently done aerobically and can quite efficiently use lipids.
Of course carbs are a convenient fuel but if your body has pathology which means you vastly over-excrete insulin in response to glucose until your muscles, and eventually your liver fail to respond to it at all any more - well then it might not be the most sensible idea!!
Exercise is protective, but even elite athletes can suddenly become insulin resistant if eg they suffer injury, or their diet is too high in simple carbs.
Your training was aimed at normal physiology - you need to study the abnormal to get what we are saying.
Of course I'm talking about the average person as the OP didn't mention any sort of illness or disability in her original post.
You can't train hypertrophy using the aerobic system now can you?
As mentioned in my previous post, any person who came to me for nutritional advice and had an underlying condition would be referred to a registered dietician as I am merely qualified as a nutritional adviser and I don't deal with people that require specialist diets for health issues.
My original opinion still stands in that the average person should track their macros and eat the correct amount of carbs for their goal which is often a decent amount of carbs regardless of their goal.
You also only mentioned simple carbs, of course I don't mean to just eat simple carbs! I track and I eat lots of carbs but I eat a healthy balance of simple qnd complex carbs at the relevant points in the day for my lifestyle.
As you can see from my pictures, it works for me. I am in no way saying that other ways won't work too but why restrict something your body needs?
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" You can't train hypertrophy using the aerobic system now can you? Apparently you can, the belief you cannot is described as merely 'dogma' in this paper: Exerc Sport Sci Rev. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2015 Aug 4. Published in final edited form as: Exerc Sport Sci Rev. 2014 Apr; 42(2): 53–61. doi: 10.1249/JES.0000000000000007 PMCID: PMC4523889 NIHMSID: NIHMS555460 Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy after Aerobic Exercise Training Adam R. Konopka1 and Matthew P. Harber2 Author information ? Copyright and License information ? The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at Exerc Sport Sci Rev See other articles in PMC that cite the published article. Go to: Abstract Current dogma suggests aerobic exercise training has minimal effect on skeletal muscle size. We and others have demonstrated that aerobic exercise acutely and chronically alters protein metabolism and induces skeletal muscle hypertrophy. These findings promote an antithesis to the status quo by providing novel perspective on skeletal muscle mass regulation and insight into exercise-countermeasures for populations prone to muscle loss. Keywords: protein metabolism, endurance exercise, sarcopenia, anabolic resistance, ubiquitin proteasome pathway, myostatin, mitochondria" You have no idea what you are talking about do you? That paper is based on skeletal muscle hypertrophy AFTER aerobic exercise which uses a completely different system! Hypertrophy is a type of training/exercise. Not a system. Hypertrophy uses the Anaerobic system, not the aerobic system. I should know as I have the relevant knowledge and qualifications. You appear to have Google. Eve. | |||
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" Ck aider ongoing that fruit and vegetables are carb sources, I reckon your information is flawed. There are carbs in all cereal, there are carbs in anything that contains sugar of any variety..including natural sweeteners like honey etc. There are carbs in full fat milk. Carbs on sweet potato. Carbs in quinoa, pearl barley etc. Carbs in pasta. Carbs in rice and so on. Exactly!! Virtually ALL of those things need part or total restriction to control insulin resistance!!! So then only for people who need it for health issues!!!! " Right, so care to estimate what percentage of the population might be insulin resistant and badly need to understand the detrimental effect the modern high carb diet is having on them? Some recent estimates are up to 50% of the population (and that's just the humans lol!) | |||
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" (I googled your chosen system and they showed large amounts of white bread which are pretty simple 'fast burn' carbs!) My system? The anaerobic system? No macro tracking. It includes white bread, apparently. " Macro tracking is what you make of it. If you want to eat white bread and track then you can and can still get results but not as well as choosing wisely. Again, for a healthy person. Eve. | |||
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" Ck aider ongoing that fruit and vegetables are carb sources, I reckon your information is flawed. There are carbs in all cereal, there are carbs in anything that contains sugar of any variety..including natural sweeteners like honey etc. There are carbs in full fat milk. Carbs on sweet potato. Carbs in quinoa, pearl barley etc. Carbs in pasta. Carbs in rice and so on. Exactly!! Virtually ALL of those things need part or total restriction to control insulin resistance!!! So then only for people who need it for health issues!!!! Right, so care to estimate what percentage of the population might be insulin resistant and badly need to understand the detrimental effect the modern high carb diet is having on them? Some recent estimates are up to 50% of the population (and that's just the humans lol!) "Recent estimates? So you don't know either? Since I only deal with those without health issues then nope. I would never claim to know anything about it other than how the body creates and uses insulin. Eve. | |||
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" You have no idea what you are talking about do you? That paper is based on skeletal muscle hypertrophy AFTER aerobic exercise which uses a completely different system! Hypertrophy is a type of training/exercise. Not a system. Hypertrophy uses the Anaerobic system, not the aerobic system. I should know as I have the relevant knowledge and qualifications. ." Right. The word hypertrophy simply means an enlargement actually, like in a tumour. Or a muscle. | |||
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"Iv done lots of low carb high fat and protein diets.feel great on it. Too much energy even Iv found. Awake at crack of dawn bursting to get going I prefer anabolic diet tho. Low carb Monday to Friday then carb load fri eve til Sunday night....." Two day beer bender???  | |||
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" You have no idea what you are talking about do you? That paper is based on skeletal muscle hypertrophy AFTER aerobic exercise which uses a completely different system! Hypertrophy is a type of training/exercise. Not a system. Hypertrophy uses the Anaerobic system, not the aerobic system. I should know as I have the relevant knowledge and qualifications. . Right. The word hypertrophy simply means an enlargement actually, like in a tumour. Or a muscle. " Exactly! In a muscle ha ha. I train to build my muscles. I can see that you are unable to see my point and that your Google knowledge is far superior to any actual training and studying that I have done. So I shall bow out. I will be sure to store your information for anyone with diabetes though. My grandfather is diabetic so definitely an interesting point. Eve. | |||
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" Exactly! In a muscle ha ha. I train to build my muscles. ." Yup. That's exactly what the paper I quoted demonstrates does happen - your muscles get bigger after aerobic training: 'Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy after Aerobic Exercise Training' | |||
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