FabSwingers.com forum: Woman sent home from work for refusing to wear heels

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am left utterly speachless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really?

Are you that naive?

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

Isn't this rather old news?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Really?

Are you that naive?"

Apparently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?"

May 2016 I do believe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

Something g about this type of thing on the news/radio today.

Women shouldn't be discriminated for wearing certain things. That's why it might have popped up again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??"

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

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By *-angel-XWoman
over a year ago

hell

I have to wear heels and also a certain colour of nail polish etc

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie? "
You walk round in heels all day and see how your feet feel , ill gladly swap it for a Tie x

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie? "

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie? "

A tie won't break ur ankle

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"I have to wear heels and also a certain colour of nail polish etc "

Do they also tell you what colour drawers to wear ?

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By *-angel-XWoman
over a year ago

hell

"I have to wear heels and also a certain colour of nail polish etc

Do they also tell you what colour drawers to wear ?"

Ha ha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm, I wonder if you can get safety shoe/boot high heels....

Oooo'er I think I've just had a Dragons Den moment ,,,,,

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie. "

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not the same thing at all. Heels damage your feet and I for one cannot wear them all day everyday. And why the bloody hell should I.

A tie is smart and I have no objection to wearing something smart if the job requires it. Flat shoes can be smart but not cripple me

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"It's not the same thing at all. Heels damage your feet and I for one cannot wear them all day everyday. And why the bloody hell should I.

A tie is smart and I have no objection to wearing something smart if the job requires it. Flat shoes can be smart but not cripple me"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The issue boils down to what is considered appropriate. The onus in these situations should only be on appearing smart and presentable. Wearing heels should never form part of the terms of employment and women (and men) should not be judged on what they choose to wear as long as this simple fact of dressing in a presentable manner is adhered to.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Hmmmm, I wonder if you can get safety shoe/boot high heels....

Oooo'er I think I've just had a Dragons Den moment ,,,,,

Yes, you can; - not stilettos, but up to 3" heels in court shoe and boot styles are available ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god I'm a nurse and can wear my little clarkes shoes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmmm, I wonder if you can get safety shoe/boot high heels....

Oooo'er I think I've just had a Dragons Den moment ,,,,,

Yes, you can; - not stilettos, but up to 3" heels in court shoe and boot styles are available ,"

You know this because ?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Hmmmm, I wonder if you can get safety shoe/boot high heels....

Oooo'er I think I've just had a Dragons Den moment ,,,,,

Yes, you can; - not stilettos, but up to 3" heels in court shoe and boot styles are available ,

You know this because ?

In my last place of work, safety shoes were required in the labs; several of the ladies bought them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmmm, I wonder if you can get safety shoe/boot high heels....

Oooo'er I think I've just had a Dragons Den moment ,,,,,

Yes, you can; - not stilettos, but up to 3" heels in court shoe and boot styles are available ,

You know this because ?

In my last place of work, safety shoes were required in the labs; several of the ladies bought them.

Nice recovery ...

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Hmmmm, I wonder if you can get safety shoe/boot high heels....

Oooo'er I think I've just had a Dragons Den moment ,,,,,

Yes, you can; - not stilettos, but up to 3" heels in court shoe and boot styles are available ,

You know this because ?

In my last place of work, safety shoes were required in the labs; several of the ladies bought them.

Nice recovery ...

I was the one who signed off the safety equipment requisitions

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform."

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

The subject has surfaced again as this particular incident prompted a whole torrent of complaints from others who have had similar unreasonable 'dress code' demands put upon them - all of which are unlawful under discrimination laws, however, the government now intends to do something about it and introduce changes regarding enforcement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't wear high heels. Appeared in drag on stage many years ago. Size 11 slingbacks from a 'special' shop. They killed my feet...although the did help with the walk...

In all seriousness, I cannot believe that this is even having to be discussed in 2017. Whalebone corset anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Disgracefull I dont know how any boss could even contend asking or allowing anyone fromhis or her work place to even ask

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I have had a similar experience and had to turn down a job offer. A requirement for the ladies was to wear full make up at all times. I am allergic to most make up but no exception would be made.

There are a lot of employers who still discriminate in this way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have had a similar experience and had to turn down a job offer. A requirement for the ladies was to wear full make up at all times. I am allergic to most make up but no exception would be made.

There are a lot of employers who still discriminate in this way."

What is full make up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie. "

Haha I knew this would happen.

Ties are constricting, outdated, and used to form a certain appearance. Where's the difference?

Yes, some women don't / can't wear heels and some get sore feet. Others however wouldn't be seen dead in anything but!

Being told to wear something is being told to wear something. There is no difference in the grand scheme of things.

I don't agree with what the lady in question endured. I think there is a line that was crossed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

A tie won't break ur ankle"

It'll break your neck if you get it caught in a passing forklift.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes. "

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why? "

No I have no idea where you are going with this.

Telling a woman to wear heels is sexualising and objectifying her it's nothing to do with her looking smart. Asking someone to wear a tie is simply asking him to look smart.

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why?

No I have no idea where you are going with this.

Telling a woman to wear heels is sexualising and objectifying her it's nothing to do with her looking smart. Asking someone to wear a tie is simply asking him to look smart. "

Its very easy to look smart without a tie just as much as it is without heels.... Thats his point and I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why?

No I have no idea where you are going with this.

Telling a woman to wear heels is sexualising and objectifying her it's nothing to do with her looking smart. Asking someone to wear a tie is simply asking him to look smart. "

How is it objectification?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why?

No I have no idea where you are going with this.

Telling a woman to wear heels is sexualising and objectifying her it's nothing to do with her looking smart. Asking someone to wear a tie is simply asking him to look smart.

Its very easy to look smart without a tie just as much as it is without heels.... Thats his point and I agree."

But telling a woman to wear heels is very different than telling a man to wear a tie.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie? "

Are you for real ? Try wearing heels for up to 9hrs a day ; jesus

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"I have had a similar experience and had to turn down a job offer. A requirement for the ladies was to wear full make up at all times. I am allergic to most make up but no exception would be made.

There are a lot of employers who still discriminate in this way.

What is full make up?

Foundation, powder, eye shadow, liner and mascara, blusher, lippy.

Apparently without the works women aren't well groomed.

In my opinion the only job that should require wearing make up is working on the make up counters in department stores

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why?

No I have no idea where you are going with this.

Telling a woman to wear heels is sexualising and objectifying her it's nothing to do with her looking smart. Asking someone to wear a tie is simply asking him to look smart.

How is it objectification? "

How is it not ?

A smart dress code is often required by a lot of firms.

We've agreed flat shoes fall into this remit.

Then why insit on high heels ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Again, people fail to see the big picture because of the outrage.

Being objectified would mean putting someone in a situation which degrades them to little more than an object. Being asked to wear a uniform does not do this to my mind and a heeled shoe has no baring on this.

Certain professions direct the need for certain attire. I know a flight attendant who is made to wear stilettos when the plane is on the ground. As are all her female colleagues. This has been practice for many years infact. Is this objectification? Or is it simply the employer wishing to present a certain image? Which most employers do.

Eddie stobart drivers are/were made to wear ties while on duty. The company again wishing to present a professional image to its clients. Are these lorry drivers now being objectified?

Despite one being on your feet and the other being round your neck. The difference is negligible at best.

It really has nothing to do with heels or ties though. It's an example. It's just another one of those PC bullshit cases where someone didn't like being told what to do and had a strop.

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough

"Thank god I'm a nurse and can wear my little clarkes shoes"

Now there's something I'd like to see

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You know if men spent a bit less time calling it "PC bullshit" and trying to shout down claims of objectification then there might be more solid workers' rights in place for everybody. And then you wouldn't have to wear those ties that you all find so offensive and painful.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

As the person above says...thank god I am a nurse and wear the most comfortable Clarke's flatties that fit my wide feet.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

When I was given a promotion to supervisor I was told by the company manager that I MUST wear heels for work now as it gives me a more authoritative look. I told her that I was promoted because of my skills and not my footwear. In our job we are standing all day and I told her that I would wear the shoes that are comfortable for doing so and if that wasn't acceptable then they had promoted the wrong person.

I now wear the same smart, low heel court shoes that I always have done. You know what, it's made absolutely no difference to my ability to my job!

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Again, people fail to see the big picture because of the outrage.

Eddie stobart drivers are/were made to wear ties while on duty. The company again wishing to present a professional image to its clients. Are these lorry drivers now being objectified?

Despite one being on your feet and the other being round your neck. The difference is negligible at best.

It really has nothing to do with heels or ties though. It's an example. It's just another one of those PC bullshit cases where someone didn't like being told what to do and had a strop.

You have missed the point entirely.

What is PC bulkshit about a woman objecting to wearing heels ?

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By *icplshropsCouple
over a year ago

Rock

Appears we haven't progressed very far, since I had to wear tights (even in summer) in my supermarket job 20 years ago.

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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago

between havant and chichester

And the time off sick with a bad back from having to wear heels all the time

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By *eds7Man
over a year ago

Lancaster

Now now ladies we try to raise your profile lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Are you for real ? Try wearing heels for up to 9hrs a day ; jesus"

Try wearing a full suit in sweltering heat. Why aren't men allowed to wear shorts if you can wear a skirt? Wtf? Oh of course that's different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You know if men spent a bit less time calling it "PC bullshit" and trying to shout down claims of objectification then there might be more solid workers' rights in place for everybody. And then you wouldn't have to wear those ties that you all find so offensive and painful."

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"I have had a similar experience and had to turn down a job offer. A requirement for the ladies was to wear full make up at all times. I am allergic to most make up but no exception would be made.

There are a lot of employers who still discriminate in this way.

What is full make up?

Foundation, powder, eye shadow, liner and mascara, blusher, lippy.

Apparently without the works women aren't well groomed.

In my opinion the only job that should require wearing make up is working on the make up counters in department stores

What about a clown ?

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

See whether you think the same when it's summer and a full tie and suit is required.

It is the same thing, it's required clothing/uniform.

I can't see why weather conditions will make me change my mind.

High heels are not a required item of clothing. A woman can look as smart in normal shoes.

And a man can look smart without a tie.

See where I'm going with this?

To be honest if it comes to the point where employers aren't allowed to dictate uniform (I'd suspect this would only ever be in non customer facing roles) then I'd welcome it.

I sit in an office with colleagues mostly, I could do my job perfectly well wearing nothing but my pants if I wanted too, it as is im made to wear shirt, tie, suit, shoes etc. Why?

No I have no idea where you are going with this.

Telling a woman to wear heels is sexualising and objectifying her it's nothing to do with her looking smart. Asking someone to wear a tie is simply asking him to look smart.

Its very easy to look smart without a tie just as much as it is without heels.... Thats his point and I agree."

Totally

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie? "

Does a tie ruin your posture and cause unnecessary stress on your joints though? I don't think it does...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does wearing flat shoes stop sexual objectification?...

I fully get the point about making your feet uncomfortable or ankles hurt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask any builder, steel toe cap boots are incredibly uncomfortable, it's why they had such a hard time enforcing the rule

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????"

If you hate woman that much why are you on a site looking for women ?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"How does wearing flat shoes stop sexual objectification?...

I fully get the point about making your feet uncomfortable or ankles hurt."

Wearing flat shoes does not stop sexual objectification.

But forcing a woman to wear heels is objectifying her.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Ask any builder, steel toe cap boots are incredibly uncomfortable, it's why they had such a hard time enforcing the rule"

Safety equipment isn't the same as a fashion accessory.

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

Reading

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????"

Instead of saying "well I have to wear a tie and that's unfair so you should have to wear heels", which just perpetuates the issue, you could say "It's wrong that women have to wear something which causes permanent physical injury. It's also wrong that I have to wear a tie. Let's work together to stop both of the wrong things."

The two items of clothing are different, for sure, but an outdated dress code is wrong regardless of the sex of the person it impacts. The difference is, a woman stood up and challenged this, so it's in the press.

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

I would argue that a woman can present a professional appearance in flat shoes, moreso than anyone can present a professional appearance in shorts regardless of sex, which may be why shorts aren't permitted in the workplace.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh."

Perfect response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon sum folk are missin the sexism ere.

Many companies only want a certain look for the public face of their company. Yeah they dont wont ugly women but the truth is they dont wont men at all for these jobs.

People shud simply boycott companys they dont agree with. That wud lern em.

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over a year ago

"Ask any builder, steel toe cap boots are incredibly uncomfortable, it's why they had such a hard time enforcing the rule

Safety equipment isn't the same as a fashion accessory. "
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The point I was making was that builders didn't want to wear steel toe cap boots because they were uncomfortable, people were thrown off sites for not wearing them so they just went to sites that turned a blind eye and the sites that enforced it were then left with shit workers who didn't mind toeing the line so to speak, eventually they mandated it so we all had to wear them regardless...

I'm sure the same principle could be applied here, just refuse to wear them and move to a company that isn't bothered!.. That's how competition between businesses is meant to work, you offer better deals than the next company that benefits both you and the employee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does wearing flat shoes stop sexual objectification?...

I fully get the point about making your feet uncomfortable or ankles hurt.

Wearing flat shoes does not stop sexual objectification.

But forcing a woman to wear heels is objectifying her. "
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No it's making her taller than she is?

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

Perfect response

So much this. That's exactly what I was getting at.

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh."

Well done for focusing on the tie when l never. World class misrepresentation. l was talking about the whole suit made, sometimes made of wool, during the hot months and not being able to wear shorts like women can with skirts.. Alas, that would be ''unprofessional'' from men. lt's much easier to misrepresent my argument rather than refute it l suppose.

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

What part of: "If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that" do you object to, exactly?

If my male colleagues wanted to challenge a dress code for something that was unnecessary, unfair or inappropriate then I'd fully support them in their challenge - just as I'd expect them to support me in a similar challenge. You're the one making it "them" and "us" when that energy would more productively be applied working together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While dress codes are a nessecity due to the stupidity of people.

Heels pose health problems an so should not be included in any such code.

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh."

Spot on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

You do however in an office environment have a legal right to a specific temperature range.

Try working in a physical job where you have no such right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie. "

Why doesn't it? Explain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ask any builder, steel toe cap boots are incredibly uncomfortable, it's why they had such a hard time enforcing the rule"

Get better boots i wear my toe caps everywhere as they're incredibly comfortable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain "

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

You do however in an office environment have a legal right to a specific temperature range.

Try working in a physical job where you have no such right"

As most physical job are performed by men you are kinda making a point for me.

And offices can be sweltering. Having the temps too low is sexist after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11780891/Air-conditioning-in-your-office-is-sexist.-True-story.html

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

Your argument could be refuted if you raised one. Instead, you malign the poster by your use of infantile language. If you want to debate do so, raise an argument, raise a point, at present however, you have have done neither.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems"

There are more points than the tie though. Focusing in the tie thing is merely trying to diminish the point.

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

You do however in an office environment have a legal right to a specific temperature range.

Try working in a physical job where you have no such right

As most physical job are performed by men you are kinda making a point for me.

And offices can be sweltering. Having the temps too low is sexist after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11780891/Air-conditioning-in-your-office-is-sexist.-True-story.html"

Im making the point your office has a mandated temperature range so whiing your cothes are hot is silly.

Try working out in a hanger in near zero degree conditions.

Then come whine to me your suit is too warm.

Wear a linen suit not a wool one if youre hot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

There are more points than the tie though. Focusing in the tie thing is merely trying to diminish the point."

They lerson i quoted specificaly only asked about ties

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Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

You do however in an office environment have a legal right to a specific temperature range.

Try working in a physical job where you have no such right

As most physical job are performed by men you are kinda making a point for me.

And offices can be sweltering. Having the temps too low is sexist after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11780891/Air-conditioning-in-your-office-is-sexist.-True-story.html"

So why is your focus on shouting down the women's objections to being made to wear high heels as bullshit; instead of saying "that's unfair and this is also unfair, let's work together on it"?

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Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

Her hero! A thumbs up awaits you sonny Jim!

Stop wrapping women in cotton wool, they aren't little girls and can reply for themselves. And sorry my writing on a fuck site isn't up to par, Lord Byron. l await your masterpiece, Mr no pic.

lf you can't glean my point from what l wrote then l can't help you.

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Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

Her hero! A thumbs up awaits you sonny Jim!

Stop wrapping women in cotton wool, they aren't little girls and can reply for themselves. And sorry my writing on a fuck site isn't up to par, Lord Byron. l await your masterpiece, Mr no pic.

lf you can't glean my point from what l wrote then l can't help you."

.so you would support any company requiring women to wear heels to accept full legal liability for any health costs inccured?

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Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

You do however in an office environment have a legal right to a specific temperature range.

Try working in a physical job where you have no such right

As most physical job are performed by men you are kinda making a point for me.

And offices can be sweltering. Having the temps too low is sexist after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11780891/Air-conditioning-in-your-office-is-sexist.-True-story.html

So why is your focus on shouting down the women's objections to being made to wear high heels as bullshit; instead of saying "that's unfair and this is also unfair, let's work together on it"? "

Because idiots are unable to understand that workers rights is not a zero sum game?

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"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems"

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

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over a year ago

Good gracious why on earth don't you all join forces and work together on uniform discrimination ?

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Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

Her hero! A thumbs up awaits you sonny Jim!

Stop wrapping women in cotton wool, they aren't little girls and can reply for themselves. And sorry my writing on a fuck site isn't up to par, Lord Byron. l await your masterpiece, Mr no pic.

lf you can't glean my point from what l wrote then l can't help you.

.so you would support any company requiring women to wear heels to accept full legal liability for any health costs inccured?"

l never once said women should have to wear them.

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over a year ago

The point was that the agency was at fault for not telling her of the dress code, it would have then been up to her if she took the job or not.

If you go to a job at the point of interview it would be specified what the dress code of the position would be.

It's up to you then to either acccept or not accept the terms of employment simples, if you don't want to wear high heels or a see through blouse it's your choice

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over a year ago

Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

You do however in an office environment have a legal right to a specific temperature range.

Try working in a physical job where you have no such right

As most physical job are performed by men you are kinda making a point for me.

And offices can be sweltering. Having the temps too low is sexist after all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11780891/Air-conditioning-in-your-office-is-sexist.-True-story.html

So why is your focus on shouting down the women's objections to being made to wear high heels as bullshit; instead of saying "that's unfair and this is also unfair, let's work together on it"? "

l'm talking about the usual double standards. l'm not trying to shout down women's issue. Men's issues are never taken care of. Never ever.

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over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ? "

Irrelevant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!"

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

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Oh sure, once we release women from the emancipation of wearing heels, then and only then will men's worker rights be looked at...How will we ever repay you?

No wonder feminism has been laughed at for so long g. You aren't little girls now deal with the shit we have to. You wanted equality after all.

I would also remind everyone that all the most dangerous jobs are performed by men and as a result work place fatalities are almost all men. Awwww do your wittle heels hurt?????

If your workplace enforces a dress code requiring men to wear a full suit when it is inappropriate to do so due to temperature concerns, then you absolutely have the right to challenge that.

Don't let that get in the way of your internet rant though, eh.

I refer you to paragraph 3 of my post, where I mention suits in relation to temperature. So I think you'll find I didn't focus on the tie either.

See also paragraph re: shorts being unprofessional in appearance for either sex, which may be why they're not permitted in an office environment.

I believe those were the points you'd made...?

By all means though, continue to feel misrepresented.

Suits don't just come in wool, by the way. You could wear linen. You could wear a cotton shirt instead of a polyester one. Heck, you live in Scotland, why don't you ask if you could wear the kilt to work in summer? Pretty sure you can get a smart kilt suitable for wearing in an office environment, so you could get your knees out at work if your poor little legs are overheating...

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Everyone have to follow the work place practise...... this have all blown out of proportion for nothing.

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over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct "

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me..."

Do yer terms an conditions actually state yer av to wear heals? Or is this anover straw-man argument?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me..."

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

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over a year ago

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

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"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??"

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?"

So you have to wear heels whilst commuting now? If you can't wear heels and they are part of your 'uniform' or dress code then don't go for the job. Would a person with back problems apply to be a removal man?

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

Reading

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

The point is that wearing heels should not be a requirement for an office job, it doesn't have any impact on someone's ability to do the job. Having a dress code which unfairly discriminates against anyone, of either sex, is wrong.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

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over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?"

Why does it discriminate? Dress codes are there for a reason and will be clearly stated in your contract, if you don't like them look for a job elsewhere . And now we are heading out of the EU , companies will have more power to impose almost any dress code they like, so get used to it and stop moaning .

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

Basically you were missing a "...and get back in the kitchen" there.

No, no-one has to accept something meaningless just because 'tgat's how it's done'.

Should all us ladies leave this site because it's not the done thing for women to enjoy sex?

Should all the couples leave because it's not the done thing to add others to your marital bed?

Seriously. Think through the bigger concept.

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over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable. "

By forcing a person to sit at a computer all day you are potentially subjected them to eyesight problems and back problems . By forcing a fire man to go into a burning house you are subjecting him to life threatening injuries and death. If you are required to wear heels and you can't then go elsewhere , if your are required to wear a tie and can't go elsewhere , simple

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

I think you are mistaken. What part of leaving the EU will give companies a mandate to impose unsafe dress codes.

The government are looking to ban such practices and the enforcement of wearing high heels is at the forefront of this.

So I think you are a little confused as to what brexit means in this case.

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over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

Basically you were missing a "...and get back in the kitchen" there.

No, no-one has to accept something meaningless just because 'tgat's how it's done'.

Should all us ladies leave this site because it's not the done thing for women to enjoy sex?

Should all the couples leave because it's not the done thing to add others to your marital bed?

Seriously. Think through the bigger concept. "

Utter crap, did you have to sign a contract of employment when you joined this site?? you have the choice to where you want to work, an employee has the right to make you abide by their rules whilst your at work if you don't like it go elsewhere , it realy is that simple

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over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

I think you are mistaken. What part of leaving the EU will give companies a mandate to impose unsafe dress codes.

The government are looking to ban such practices and the enforcement of wearing high heels is at the forefront of this.

So I think you are a little confused as to what brexit means in this case. "

Maybe, but I think they have bigger problems to solve so at the moment they can enforce it, so stop moaning about it

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

Most women dress as if they going clubbing not work

More like tone it down a bit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels."

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

The difference is that there are workplace practices in place, like being able to change your monitor height for intermediate computer work, and specialist chairs.

High heels are proven to damage joints, they place unnecessary stress on your body. Whether a shoe has a heel or not, makes no difference to how professional you look. Unlike wearing a tie.

Like I said, go and wear heels for a while and then come back to me...

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

Reading

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

I wore a tie for 5 years at school, they only time they hurt was when someone nutted them!

If we didn't wear a tie at school we would be sent home to get one or punished because it was part of our uniform and the schools code of conduct

How about you go and wear a pair of heels for 8 hours. Then come back to me...

Why are you wearing a pair of heels for 8 hours??

Because that's the length of a standard working day, not including time spent commuting...?

Please read what I've said.

8 hours is a standard working day, NOT including time spent commuting.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

A dress code which forces a female to wear something which causes them long term physical injury while not doing the same thing to a male is discrimination on grounds of sex.

High heels can cause physical injury, especially with prolonged wear, and have no positive impact on an individual's ability to do their job.

Also, employers will not be able to impose such restrictions on their employees if said employees actually stand up for themselves.

That means that people absolutely should not stop moaning, and should stand up for the rights of everyone whenever this is required.

Again, why is this concept so hard for you to grasp? Or would you just like to go back to the good old days of biddable women who washed behind their ears and touched up their make up so they would look pretty for when their husbands came home from work?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You really haven't got the point at all have you ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work "

It is a big health problem for me due to defective knees. I cannot wear heels ever. Luckily the dress code at my workplace is for flat covered shoes such as nurses wear. There is part of the dress code that i refuse to follow in hot weather but i think my workplace have given up trying to enforce it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

The difference is that there are workplace practices in place, like being able to change your monitor height for intermediate computer work, and specialist chairs.

High heels are proven to damage joints, they place unnecessary stress on your body. Whether a shoe has a heel or not, makes no difference to how professional you look. Unlike wearing a tie.

Like I said, go and wear heels for a while and then come back to me..."

proven?? By whom? And why aren't these injured women suing these horrible companies from making them wear heels ?? Surely with today's blame culture there should be 1000s of such cases a year??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work

So would you have the common sense not to apply for a job that required you to wear heels??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because we can choose. Yesterday i wore 3"heels. Today i wore flat boots.

In feont of my screen with regule breaks from it. And a well support back in my chair

That's a long way from HAVING to wear heels and walk around in them all day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You really haven't got the point at all have you ?

Neither have you,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work

So would you have the common sense not to apply for a job that required you to wear heels?? "

There is ZERO NEED for high heels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work "

Buy some heels and go to work in them, and I'll wear a tie to work and we will see which one of us complains the most at the end of the day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work

So would you have the common sense not to apply for a job that required you to wear heels?? "

I have never thought about the dress code of any job i have applied for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work

Buy some heels and go to work in them, and I'll wear a tie to work and we will see which one of us complains the most at the end of the day

Really? This isn't about which one is worse, I don't like wearing a tie but I do anyway, I have to. We live in a namby pamby world where people moan about the littlest things, get on with it , you are not fighting in a war or coal mining

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You really haven't got the point at all have you ?

Neither have you,

Now you're posting just for the sake of an argument.

Whenever you can't answer a well put together post you just counter with "just stop moaning".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation. "

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

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"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?"

Just because some people have it worse does not mean we should stop trying to improve working conditions for everyone!

If no one stands up for something, nothing changes for the better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?"

Then you carry on there with your sheep like obedience and the rest of us will continue to seek out progress and common sense and help others on their journey too.

Now make me a sandwich, good boy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

Just because some people have it worse does not mean we should stop trying to improve working conditions for everyone!

If no one stands up for something, nothing changes for the better.

Dear god, I give up, if your only problem in life is having to wear heals or a tie to work then you have it easy. I can think of a million ways to improve employment law and workers conditions, think about it

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

You get eye tests. Back support. Training.

None of that applies to heels.

wearing heels is obviously not a big health problem then otherwise employers would be trying to prevent people from getting 'injured' and having time off work

So would you have the common sense not to apply for a job that required you to wear heels?? "

Can't think of any job where this should be a requirement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

Then you carry on there with your sheep like obedience and the rest of us will continue to seek out progress and common sense and help others on their journey too.

Now make me a sandwich, good boy

What a noble and worth while cause, you must glow with self righteous pride . Put the kettle on love

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite right too, who does she think she is? Next thing you know they'll be wanting the vote! Wait.. what?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Quite right too, who does she think she is? Next thing you know they'll be wanting the vote! Wait.. what?..."

Here he comes on his white steed

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By *uriousc88Woman
over a year ago

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"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

Just because some people have it worse does not mean we should stop trying to improve working conditions for everyone!

If no one stands up for something, nothing changes for the better.

Who said it was my only problem, or the only change I work towards? I also believe in better parental leave access for BOTH parents, and the abolishment of zero hours contracts, and many other causes. This thread, however, is about a specific issue, so that is the issue about which I have debated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

Just because some people have it worse does not mean we should stop trying to improve working conditions for everyone!

If no one stands up for something, nothing changes for the better.

Fair enough,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now you're posting just for the sake of an argument.

Whenever you can't answer a well put together post you just counter with "just stop moaning".

Aint that always the way on fab? Partly because you choose to argue against the minority view instead of engaging in sensibal discussion?

The point still stands:

How many of you av it in yer t&c that yer av to wear heels, and what have yer done about it?

This woman showd if yer stand up for yerself yer can make a change. But if yet dont feel strong enuf about summat to do summat yerself then dont expect me to bovver either.

Or wud yer rather just moan about how tough life is than change it?

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over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

Then you carry on there with your sheep like obedience and the rest of us will continue to seek out progress and common sense and help others on their journey too.

Now make me a sandwich, good boy

What a noble and worth while cause, you must glow with self righteous pride . Put the kettle on love "

I do. I really do.

And despair, sometimes, because there's always something else.

But I aim to leave things better than I find them. Whatever I choose.

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over a year ago

"Is it in a contract to wear a tie? Are you punished if you don't? Would you be fired? Does a tie make a difference to your job performance?

I'd fully stand up for your stance to remove ties from that situation.

Yes, yes, no. There are people unemployed, on less than the minimum wage, zero hour contracts so wearing a tie or heels isn't such a big deal is it?

Then you carry on there with your sheep like obedience and the rest of us will continue to seek out progress and common sense and help others on their journey too.

Now make me a sandwich, good boy

What a noble and worth while cause, you must glow with self righteous pride . Put the kettle on love

I do. I really do.

And despair, sometimes, because there's always something else.

But I aim to leave things better than I find them. Whatever I choose."

Excellent, I can't see you being shortlisted for the Noble Peace Prize anytime soon though , keep up the good work though

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By *BW SnowbunnyWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere over the Rainbow

"Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Omg - ties hurt?? I wore a tie as part of my school uniform and it never hurt, unless of course you knotted it too tight or your shirt collar was too tight. It is not legal for employers to demand heels be worn so any job is open. I presume you grew up in the dark ages or a repressed household?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

By forcing a person to sit at a computer all day you are potentially subjected them to eyesight problems and back problems .

Which is why it is a legal requirement ( often ignored by private employers) to have properly designed chairs and workstations, and yo do an assessment of each workstation with the occupier.

To provide different seating if necessary, and to provide access to eye tests .

By forcing a fire man to go into a burning house you are subjecting him to life threatening injuries and death. If you are required to wear heels and you can't then go elsewhere , if your are required to wear a tie and can't go elsewhere , simple "

Firefighters acknowledge the risk in their contracts; they are trained for the risk, and to assess the risk; their team leaders are trained to assess the risk, and will only put them in harm's way when necessary.

They are issued safety equipment for the job:

Wearing of high heels is purely " cosmetic" and can cause physical damage, which can be avoided;

And it is different to requiring employees to dress smartly ( especially if they have a job facing the public or customers.)

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over a year ago

Eh, wearing heels can be part of a uniform - however silly a requirement it may be. I'm not a huge fan of heels, but I don't see a problem with a job requiring them. Don't accept the job if you don't want to wear the uniform.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Nope, neither, and you are incorrect

Employers are within their rights to implement a dress code as long as it is “reasonable” and the company gives staff enough time to buy the correct gear.

If a company wishes to take formal action against a person for flouting the rules, it must sanction a formal warning and a reasonable time frame to comply, before taking drastic action like dismissal.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Eh, wearing heels can be part of a uniform - however silly a requirement it may be. I'm not a huge fan of heels, but I don't see a problem with a job requiring them. Don't accept the job if you don't want to wear the uniform."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

The difference is that there are workplace practices in place, like being able to change your monitor height for intermediate computer work, and specialist chairs.

High heels are proven to damage joints, they place unnecessary stress on your body. Whether a shoe has a heel or not, makes no difference to how professional you look. Unlike wearing a tie.

Like I said, go and wear heels for a while and then come back to me...

proven?? By whom? And why aren't these injured women suing these horrible companies from making them wear heels ?? Surely with today's blame culture there should be 1000s of such cases a year?? "

Go and do a bit of research, I recommend it. Most companies don't require you to wear high heels, thankfully... this is because they realise that you don't have to have a 4" heel on your shoe in order to be/look professional. Requiring a woman to wear high heels is just sexualising women.

In the meantime, if you really think requiring a woman to wear high heels isn't a bad thing, you should try wearing them for a day.

I think it's best to agree to disagree, although I think you're just posting now for arguments sake.

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over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't this rather old news?

May 2016 I do believe.

Guess i remain behind the times, only saw it in the news this morning. Will try to keep up.

It was news to me so thanks

I wonder how the employer would feel if someone like myself that doesn't ever wear heels broke an ankle and sued them??

I think the issue stems from what was agreed to prior to employment.

If you apply for a job and there is a dress code requirement and you accept then you'd accept liability to an extent.

If you're already employed and they change the "uniform" then you'd probably have a case.

Personally I don't see it as being any different from me having to wear a tie?

Being told to wear heels doesn't remotely equate to being told to wear a tie.

Why doesn't it? Explain

Ties dont hurt or cause health problems

Ties do hurt and they are very uncomfortable , if you can't wear heels because of health problems don't get a job where it is a specified requirement

Do ties cause long term damage ?

Irrelevant

In what way is it irrelevant ?

By forcing someone to wear high heels you are potentially subjecting them to orthopaedic problems.

By forcing someone to wear a tie you are potentially making them a little uncomfortable.

The difference is that there are workplace practices in place, like being able to change your monitor height for intermediate computer work, and specialist chairs.

High heels are proven to damage joints, they place unnecessary stress on your body. Whether a shoe has a heel or not, makes no difference to how professional you look. Unlike wearing a tie.

Like I said, go and wear heels for a while and then come back to me...

proven?? By whom? And why aren't these injured women suing these horrible companies from making them wear heels ?? Surely with today's blame culture there should be 1000s of such cases a year??

In the meantime, if you really think requiring a woman to wear high heels isn't a bad thing, you should try wearing them for a day.

I think it's best to agree to disagree, although I think you're just posting now for arguments sake. "

Are we talking about 'high heels' or heels? Not all Heels have to be 4 inches

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over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court. "

Where is your proof, what happened to the lady in question?? Has she been compensated?

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over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't. "

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers.

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over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court. "

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

What I'm saying is, if a company had a policy that women had to wear heels as part of the business attire uniform, I would think it was silly, but I wouldn't argue that a woman accepting a job with them should be able to ignore the uniform.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

Where is your proof, what happened to the lady in question?? Has she been compensated?"

Sorry for the C&P but unsure if link to site is ok.

"The government has said that the dress code imposed on Nicola Thorp was unlawful-but the Committees heard that requirements for women to wear high heels at work remain widespread," the committees said in a joint response.

The MPs said that "the Equality Act 2010 is not yet fully effective in protecting workers from discrimination."

Helen Jones, chair of the Petitions Committee, said: "It's not enough for the law to be clear in principle-it must also work in practice. The government has said that the way that Nicola Thorp was treated by her employer is against the law, but that didn't stop her being sent home from work without pay."

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over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers. "

I agree, but ironically you won't get criticised for making these comments, however I have, is this sexist??

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over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers. "

I'm not getting into this debate again, I think it's all been said previously. You obviously don't agree with my views and I don't agree with yours. I think requiring a woman to wear heels to work is an outdated, sexist practice. If you don't, that's up to you.

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over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

Where is your proof, what happened to the lady in question?? Has she been compensated?

Sorry for the C&P but unsure if link to site is ok.

The MPs said that "the Equality Act 2010 is not yet fully effective in protecting workers from discrimination."

Has she been compensated?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers.

I agree, but ironically you won't get criticised for making these comments, however I have, is this sexist??

No, it isn't sexist becaue it isn't true. People are debating with me the same as you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers.

OK. I didn't comment on your post - you commented on mine. Feel free to let me have my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels. "

Ok. If that's a law then employers need to follow it.

I personally disagree with the law, though.

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over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels. "

High heels, or heels??

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels. "

I wonder about those virgin atlantic flight attendants in their high red stilettos on the ad?

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over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels.

Ok. If that's a law then employers need to follow it.

I personally disagree with the law, though. "

I wonder if you're more accepting of such a ludicrous practice because US workers in general have far fewer rights than we do in the UK, so you have a lower threshold of what's acceptable. Requiring women to wear heels is nonsense. Total nonsense. I don't really think it's comparable to a Disney character in costume on a hot day because you literally can't do the job of appearing in character without wearing the costume. A receptionist can be an effective receptionist without wearing heels.

If we start saying "well don't take the job if you don't like it", how many things does that apply to? If everyone had just "not taken the job if they didn't like it" we wouldn't have half the employee rights we do today. I think even trying to defend something as utterly bollocks as mandatory high heels is ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels.

High heels, or heels??

4 inch heels are high heels. Even in Fab inches.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

chingford

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers.

I agree, but ironically you won't get criticised for making these comments, however I have, is this sexist??

Male half posting here.

You have not been criticised you have been argued against.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers.

OK. I didn't comment on your post - you commented on mine. Feel free to let me have my opinion.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels.

Ok. If that's a law then employers need to follow it.

I personally disagree with the law, though.

Maybe me being American does make me more accepting of it. But accepting of it I am, nevertheless.

The uniform I was talking about was someone who hands out flyers on a street corner for advertising - not Disney world. They don't have to wear it to do the job, but the company wanted it, so the person I knew wore it (and from what I was told it was fucking brutal).

I just see heels as I see any other fashion statement. I don't associate heels in the workplace with sexualization. If I'm honest, when I worked in law I wouldn't have been seen anywhere near a law firm or court without heels on - the same as my male colleagues wouldn't have been seen without leather shows and ties. It wassnt because I was being sexualized, its because that's what it seen as professional in that line of work.

If it isn't legal for employers in the UK to require it, then they shouldn't require it. But I find it excessive to have such a law.

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over a year ago

It'd be nice if all people had a choice of whether or not to accept a job. Some don't.

So? I've known people who had to wear costumes in 100 degree Fahrenheit heat. They didn't like it, it didn't seem healthy, but it was the job and they did it and they got paid.

I remember someone suing hooters once for their outfits because they sexualized women. Well, yeah!

I don't think requiring a woman to wear heels sexualizes them. It's is a fashion often associated with women in business roles - to me, no different from suits or loafers.

I agree, but ironically you won't get criticised for making these comments, however I have, is this sexist??

Male half posting here.

You have not been criticised you have been argued against. "

Indeed, I will rephrase my comment from critiqued to argued against

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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Heels are not a requirement of any uniform and the government are asking companies to ensure the practice of forcing employers to wear them is abolished.

No employment tribunal sides with the employer when these cases are brought to court.

I can't argue this because I dont know the facts surrounding decisions of employment tribunals in the UK.

Companies are not allowed to have a policy that women have to wear high heels.

Ok. If that's a law then employers need to follow it.

I personally disagree with the law, though.

Maybe me being American does make me more accepting of it. But accepting of it I am, nevertheless.

If it isn't legal for employers in the UK to require it, then they shouldn't require it. But I find it excessive to have such a law."

I think anything physically damaging should be legislated against if need be, it's unecessary.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Well, since sense seems to have evaded certain posters once more, I'll just leave you with some Robert Zimmerman:

"While one who sings with his tongue on fire

Gargles in the rat race choir

Bent out of shape from society's pliers

Cares not to come up any higher

But rather get you down in the hole that he's in......."

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By *BW SnowbunnyWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere over the Rainbow

Virgin stewardesses wear flat shoes during flights. Been on several Virgin flights and witnessed it

The only time a company can demand certain shoes to be worn is when safety shoes are required As long as your footwear is smart and suitable for your position you can wear what you like. Ex HR

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple
over a year ago

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i demanded that Jim's mum wore heels.

She didn't mind at all.

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