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"Lots of people believe they are in prison due to a falsehood. Prisons are full of innocent people, didn't you know? " He's in our town's prison. Along with 700 other innocent sex offenders. Disgusting creatures. | |||
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"Not defending sex offenders BUT....... are you aware that some of them are branded sex offenders for purely slapping someone's arse or similar? How many of us are guilty of that, especially those that touch inappropriately in clubs" Great, now I'll have to update my profile as a sex offender, what are clubs for if not touching lol | |||
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf." Hang all sex offenders | |||
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf. Hang all sex offenders " Somewhere in the UK, a recently exonerated professional footballer shudders (along with a lot of other victims of miscarriages of justice). | |||
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf. Hang all sex offenders Somewhere in the UK, a recently exonerated professional footballer shudders (along with a lot of other victims of miscarriages of justice). " Somewhere in the UK, a man is sneaking into a little girls room and laughing at the fact that he was found not guilty. I've been a victim and I'm now a mother, I vote for the death penalty. Eve. X | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. "hear hear | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear"Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse. Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes. Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles. Eve. X | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
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Eve. X"it's all on a scale, but are you seriously suggesting that drug dealing and thieving should get harsher sentences than pedophiles? I don't advocate capital punishment for any crime, it doesn't work. but time in jail should be extensive for anyone harming children under a given age. | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear"with modern investigation procedures if it is proven beyond doubt or they are caught in the act, then yes the death penalty should be an option. Currently the system doesn't work. Reoffenders should not be a term we hear especially where pedophilia,rape and murder are the crimes | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
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it's all on a scale, but are you seriously suggesting that drug dealing and thieving should get harsher sentences than pedophiles? I don't advocate capital punishment for any crime, it doesn't work. but time in jail should be extensive for anyone harming children under a given age. "I'm not suggesting they should, I'm saying they do. Eve. X | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X"Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison. | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison. "Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away. They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all. Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today. It's sickening. Eve. | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
Then surely the answer must be to keep them locked up. "You would think so but it's not possible to keep every sex offender locked up for life. We don't have the space or money as a country. It's messed up. Eve. X | |||
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"Sex offenders are vile and my heart truly goes out to anyone who has suffered at the hands of them. I can't support the death penalty for this though. You would 100% kill innocent people. I know personally a guy who was accused and convicted of a very serious sex offence some years ago. In 2014, the victim came forward and admitted she lied. He would be dead. If someone thinks that their own brother, father, wife etc being wrongly accused and executed is a price worth paying, then at least that's consistent. I can't see many people accepting that though. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the hideous nature of what sex offenders do. " You're totally right. I would want the death penalty if there was no doubt the guy was guilty. I wouldn't want any innocent people to die. It's a horrid predicament. Eve. X | |||
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"Sex offenders are vile and my heart truly goes out to anyone who has suffered at the hands of them. I can't support the death penalty for this though. You would 100% kill innocent people. I know personally a guy who was accused and convicted of a very serious sex offence some years ago. In 2014, the victim came forward and admitted she lied. He would be dead. If someone thinks that their own brother, father, wife etc being wrongly accused and executed is a price worth paying, then at least that's consistent. I can't see many people accepting that though. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the hideous nature of what sex offenders do. You're totally right. I would want the death penalty if there was no doubt the guy was guilty. I wouldn't want any innocent people to die. It's a horrid predicament. Eve. X" Please don't think what I said means I underplay what happened to you. I'm the most calm and kind of guys, but I have often thought what would I do if I knew someone had committed such a crime against a child of mine. I think I know. I certainly understand why someone who suffered such a crime and saw someone get away lightly would feel that way too. I'm sure I would. Take care. D | |||
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"Sex offenders are vile and my heart truly goes out to anyone who has suffered at the hands of them. I can't support the death penalty for this though. You would 100% kill innocent people. I know personally a guy who was accused and convicted of a very serious sex offence some years ago. In 2014, the victim came forward and admitted she lied. He would be dead. If someone thinks that their own brother, father, wife etc being wrongly accused and executed is a price worth paying, then at least that's consistent. I can't see many people accepting that though. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the hideous nature of what sex offenders do. You're totally right. I would want the death penalty if there was no doubt the guy was guilty. I wouldn't want any innocent people to die. It's a horrid predicament. Eve. X Please don't think what I said means I underplay what happened to you. I'm the most calm and kind of guys, but I have often thought what would I do if I knew someone had committed such a crime against a child of mine. I think I know. I certainly understand why someone who suffered such a crime and saw someone get away lightly would feel that way too. I'm sure I would. Take care. D" Aww thanks Doll, That's really sweet of you. I really should stop and let my common sense kick in before letting my feelings talk for me though. I would never wish harm an innocent person so I know the death penalty isn't the answer. I just wish we had a better answer for the suffering of so many other innocent people and children. Eve. X | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards"What if they were wrongly convicted ? | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards
What if they were wrongly convicted ? "She said 100% guilty. If you had a daughter and she told you somebody had abused her..would you still feel the same way? How about if you caught them in the act? Still feel the same way? Eve. | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards
What if they were wrongly convicted ?
She said 100% guilty. If you had a daughter and she told you somebody had abused her..would you still feel the same way?
How about if you caught them in the act? Still feel the same way?
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf." I'd support him, IF his appeal is successful and these new charges are dropped, but as things stand I believe in our justice system and he has be tried and found guilty. Until a judge reverses that decision I say let him rot. | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
Eve. X
Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards
What if they were wrongly convicted ? "Exactly this!! I'm strong opposed to the death penalty, too many unsafe convictions. Also where do you draw the line, which crimes will be punishable by death & which will be prison / rehabilitation. Will there be difference between a predatory paedophile and an 18 year old who has sex with a 15 year old? Both by the definition of paedophile are 'sexually attracted to children'. | |||
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"And wat about the person that has to actually kill them? How do they live with that? Technically they would now be a murderer. Make jail for them absolutely basic. Porridge and water, no gym or fags or tv etc. The country is too soft. Let them live out their miserable lives inside 4 walls" no it makes them an Executioner paid to kill just like the armed forces | |||
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf. I'd support him, IF his appeal is successful and these new charges are dropped, but as things stand I believe in our justice system and he has be tried and found guilty. Until a judge reverses that decision I say let him rot." I have no faith in our justice system whatsoever. It's guilty until proved innocent , and some people get convicted without any evidence. Wrong on all levels. | |||
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"And wat about the person that has to actually kill them? How do they live with that? Technically they would now be a murderer. Make jail for them absolutely basic. Porridge and water, no gym or fags or tv etc. The country is too soft. Let them live out their miserable lives inside 4 wallsno it makes them an Executioner paid to kill just like the armed forces" Like Hitler's troops were just paid soldiers following orders? I don't think it's as black and white as that to be honest. The armed soldiers are in a kill or be killed situation | |||
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"And wat about the person that has to actually kill them? How do they live with that? Technically they would now be a murderer. Make jail for them absolutely basic. Porridge and water, no gym or fags or tv etc. The country is too soft. Let them live out their miserable lives inside 4 walls" This 
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"If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards" I am against capital punishment so would disagree anyway. BUT taking your statement and making it a hard rule, you are saying all child abusers hang. Playing devil's advocate here, take the case of the 16 year old girl, who has sex with her 15 year old boyfriend, by the rule of law, she is a child abuser, does she deserve the death penalty? I hope not, every case needs to be examined on merit, and appropriate sentences applied. Bad people will always exist, and good people need to protect themselves and others because of this. But "hang em all" is not the answer. | |||
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"If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards I am against capital punishment so would disagree anyway. BUT taking your statement and making it a hard rule, you are saying all child abusers hang. Playing devil's advocate here, take the case of the 16 year old girl, who has sex with her 15 year old boyfriend, by the rule of law, she is a child abuser, does she deserve the death penalty? I hope not, every case needs to be examined on merit, and appropriate sentences applied. Bad people will always exist, and good people need to protect themselves and others because of this. But "hang em all" is not the answer. " Pedos don't stop reoffending They only stop when and if they get caught Then when they are realeased they will do it again Still say hang the bastsards or cut of their balls | |||
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"If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards I am against capital punishment so would disagree anyway. BUT taking your statement and making it a hard rule, you are saying all child abusers hang. Playing devil's advocate here, take the case of the 16 year old girl, who has sex with her 15 year old boyfriend, by the rule of law, she is a child abuser, does she deserve the death penalty? I hope not, every case needs to be examined on merit, and appropriate sentences applied. Bad people will always exist, and good people need to protect themselves and others because of this. But "hang em all" is not the answer. Pedos don't stop reoffending They only stop when and if they get caught Then when they are realeased they will do it again Still say hang the bastsards or cut of their balls " So you say hang the 16 year old girl then? can't cut off her balls. | |||
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"And wat about the person that has to actually kill them? How do they live with that? Technically they would now be a murderer. " No they would not. Murder is defined as UNLAWFUL killing. A government executioner would simply be an executioner same as they are in America and all other capital punishment states. As for your second point about what amounts to basically torture it has the very obvious side effect of brutal and frequent prison riots | |||
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"If child abusers are 100% guilty hang the bastards I am against capital punishment so would disagree anyway. BUT taking your statement and making it a hard rule, you are saying all child abusers hang. Playing devil's advocate here, take the case of the 16 year old girl, who has sex with her 15 year old boyfriend, by the rule of law, she is a child abuser, does she deserve the death penalty? I hope not, every case needs to be examined on merit, and appropriate sentences applied. Bad people will always exist, and good people need to protect themselves and others because of this. But "hang em all" is not the answer. Pedos don't stop reoffending They only stop when and if they get caught Then when they are realeased they will do it again Still say hang the bastsards or cut of their balls So you say hang the 16 year old girl then? can't cut off her balls." I said the ones who keep reoffending Doubt if the 16 yr old will be shagging 15yrs old for the rest of her life | |||
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"I said the ones who keep reoffending Doubt if the 16 yr old will be shagging 15yrs old for the rest of her life " She could have committed the crime hundreds of times though. Many of the sickest child abuse cases are parent or parents against their child, if they are not allowed more children they won't re-offend either. In my travels I have lived and worked in many countries where death penalty is common practice, I have never seen it improve behaviour, the more brutal the government in general the more brutal the country. | |||
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"I said the ones who keep reoffending Doubt if the 16 yr old will be shagging 15yrs old for the rest of her life She could have committed the crime hundreds of times though. Many of the sickest child abuse cases are parent or parents against their child, if they are not allowed more children they won't re-offend either. In my travels I have lived and worked in many countries where death penalty is common practice, I have never seen it improve behaviour, the more brutal the government in general the more brutal the country. " Who is this 16yr old you keep mentioning? Figment of your imagination | |||
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" In my travels I have lived and worked in many countries where death penalty is common practice, I have never seen it improve behaviour, the more brutal the government in general the more brutal the country. "
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"I said the ones who keep reoffending Doubt if the 16 yr old will be shagging 15yrs old for the rest of her life She could have committed the crime hundreds of times though. Many of the sickest child abuse cases are parent or parents against their child, if they are not allowed more children they won't re-offend either. In my travels I have lived and worked in many countries where death penalty is common practice, I have never seen it improve behaviour, the more brutal the government in general the more brutal the country. Who is this 16yr old you keep mentioning? Figment of your imagination " Yes, she represents the least offensive offender, "hang em ALL" was the thread I created this fictional example to question if we should follow the letter of the law and hang all pedophiles. Or if justice should remain a sliding scale. | |||
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"Not defending sex offenders BUT....... are you aware that some of them are branded sex offenders for purely slapping someone's arse or similar? How many of us are guilty of that, especially those that touch inappropriately in clubs" my father still does this on a regular basis to women. He is nearly 90 and of a similar generation to some of those that are in prison for these sorts of things. It was different back when they were growing up x | |||
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"I said the ones who keep reoffending Doubt if the 16 yr old will be shagging 15yrs old for the rest of her life She could have committed the crime hundreds of times though. Many of the sickest child abuse cases are parent or parents against their child, if they are not allowed more children they won't re-offend either. In my travels I have lived and worked in many countries where death penalty is common practice, I have never seen it improve behaviour, the more brutal the government in general the more brutal the country. " | |||
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"I said the ones who keep reoffending Doubt if the 16 yr old will be shagging 15yrs old for the rest of her life She could have committed the crime hundreds of times though. Many of the sickest child abuse cases are parent or parents against their child, if they are not allowed more children they won't re-offend either. In my travels I have lived and worked in many countries where death penalty is common practice, I have never seen it improve behaviour, the more brutal the government in general the more brutal the country. Who is this 16yr old you keep mentioning? Figment of your imagination Yes, she represents the least offensive offender, "hang em ALL" was the thread I created this fictional example to question if we should follow the letter of the law and hang all pedophiles. Or if justice should remain a sliding scale." Whooooosh....over some people's heads I'm afraid. | |||
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"I wonder how many people would change their views..at least a little..if it were them that had been abused. Or, even worse, it were their child that had been abused. It is extremely easy to defend the innocent when you haven't experienced the guilty. Eve. X Without sounding harsh - that's exactly why sentencing policy is not decided purely with reference to the victims. There has to be a more dispassionate look at it than you're capable of. This issue is personal for you, I dare say there are other crimes of which you haven't been a victim that you would see as lesser, but someone who had been a victim of them would see as more serious. Or if a relative or friend of yours had been the innocent victim of a miscarriage of justice, which also happens. I think you might then take the rights of the innocent a little more seriously. " Oh I still take the rights of innocents seriously, I just know how flawed the legal system is and that far more lives are taken and destroyed by the guilty than those of the wrongly accused. I just find it odd that most people don't seem to be considering the victims of the guilty, only the feelings of the wrongly accused. You say that is why it isn't based on victims alone but it is because of people being too scared of wrongly accusing that so many guilty people are free to walk the streets. Swings and roundabouts. As I already said, I don't want innocent people hurt..at all. I do want a harsher sentence for the guilty though. I pray that you never have to experience the devastation that is child abuse. Eve. | |||
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf. Hang all sex offenders Somewhere in the UK, a recently exonerated professional footballer shudders (along with a lot of other victims of miscarriages of justice). Somewhere in the UK, a man is sneaking into a little girls room and laughing at the fact that he was found not guilty. I've been a victim and I'm now a mother, I vote for the death penalty. Eve. X" Me too, my step father was a predator and serial offender | |||
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"We've all heard ridiculous comments by criminal lawyers trying to make out there client is innocent but Rolf's gave me a laugh when he said he's already been tried and convicted of sex crimes and as you know we're now onto the second lot the reason he is already in prison is cause THEY MADE A MISTAKE. Yeah right i know there has been cases of people making up stories about celebrities just to make money but come on i don't know exactly how many charges there is between the two trials but what is he trying to say he's white as the driven snow and everyone is a liar.? It's all a mistake poor Rolf. Hang all sex offenders Somewhere in the UK, a recently exonerated professional footballer shudders (along with a lot of other victims of miscarriages of justice). Somewhere in the UK, a man is sneaking into a little girls room and laughing at the fact that he was found not guilty. I've been a victim and I'm now a mother, I vote for the death penalty. Eve. X Me too, my step father was a predator and serial offender" I was 10 my sister 9 | |||
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"I wonder how many people would change their views..at least a little..if it were them that had been abused. Or, even worse, it were their child that had been abused. It is extremely easy to defend the innocent when you haven't experienced the guilty. Eve. X Without sounding harsh - that's exactly why sentencing policy is not decided purely with reference to the victims. There has to be a more dispassionate look at it than you're capable of. This issue is personal for you, I dare say there are other crimes of which you haven't been a victim that you would see as lesser, but someone who had been a victim of them would see as more serious. Or if a relative or friend of yours had been the innocent victim of a miscarriage of justice, which also happens. I think you might then take the rights of the innocent a little more seriously. Oh I still take the rights of innocents seriously, I just know how flawed the legal system is and that far more lives are taken and destroyed by the guilty than those of the wrongly accused. I just find it odd that most people don't seem to be considering the victims of the guilty, only the feelings of the wrongly accused. You say that is why it isn't based on victims alone but it is because of people being too scared of wrongly accusing that so many guilty people are free to walk the streets. Swings and roundabouts. As I already said, I don't want innocent people hurt..at all. I do want a harsher sentence for the guilty though. I pray that you never have to experience the devastation that is child abuse. Eve. " That's not what I said - can't speak for anyone else. The feelings of victims should be and are taken into account, impact statements etc. - but I do not think it's right that you decide sentencing policy purely based on feelings. There are other victims of crimes who have been able to choose to forgive, who wouldn't want their abusers put to death. Their views should have equal weight with yours. It is a savage society that would decide on whether to put someone to death based purely on the feelings of a victim. You'd be putting people to death for a draconian range of crimes and that's not a state that I would ever want to live in. | |||
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"I wonder how many people would change their views..at least a little..if it were them that had been abused. Or, even worse, it were their child that had been abused. It is extremely easy to defend the innocent when you haven't experienced the guilty. Eve. X Without sounding harsh - that's exactly why sentencing policy is not decided purely with reference to the victims. There has to be a more dispassionate look at it than you're capable of. This issue is personal for you, I dare say there are other crimes of which you haven't been a victim that you would see as lesser, but someone who had been a victim of them would see as more serious. Or if a relative or friend of yours had been the innocent victim of a miscarriage of justice, which also happens. I think you might then take the rights of the innocent a little more seriously. Oh I still take the rights of innocents seriously, I just know how flawed the legal system is and that far more lives are taken and destroyed by the guilty than those of the wrongly accused. I just find it odd that most people don't seem to be considering the victims of the guilty, only the feelings of the wrongly accused. You say that is why it isn't based on victims alone but it is because of people being too scared of wrongly accusing that so many guilty people are free to walk the streets. Swings and roundabouts. As I already said, I don't want innocent people hurt..at all. I do want a harsher sentence for the guilty though. I pray that you never have to experience the devastation that is child abuse. Eve. That's not what I said - can't speak for anyone else. The feelings of victims should be and are taken into account, impact statements etc. - but I do not think it's right that you decide sentencing policy purely based on feelings. There are other victims of crimes who have been able to choose to forgive, who wouldn't want their abusers put to death. Their views should have equal weight with yours. It is a savage society that would decide on whether to put someone to death based purely on the feelings of a victim. You'd be putting people to death for a draconian range of crimes and that's not a state that I would ever want to live in. " As I say, it's easy to say so when not a victim yourself. If you were abducted, raped multiple times, had pictures taken on you being molested and raped, beaten, raped again, been raped by friends of your attacker..would you forgive or would you want his evil permanently removed from the world? As I said, I don't want those that are innocent to be punished! I do keep saying that. I do wish victims feelings were considered more though but many feel the same way as you and so they aren't. It's sad but we are more afraid of wrongly convicting than protecting the victims. Eve. | |||
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"There is lots of loose talk above about how the death penalty should only be used if the person is '100% guilty'. However, as far as criminal law is formulated, people have to be found guilty 'beyond all reasonable doubt' which is the only standard that is ever applied in any criminal case (civil law the standard is lower). Despite this higher standard, people who have been convicted subsequently have their sentences quashed or ruled as 'unsafe' on appeal. It happens with historic cases and it is undoubtedly happening right now. There is no way to have the death penalty AND sufficient safe guards to guarantee that innocent men and women won't be executed by the state. Equally there is no adequate retitution that can be made to an executed person and their family. That's why I am opposed to the death penalty for all crimes committed by anyone against anyone ever. No doubt if my child was harmed I would feel differently about the perpetrator. But surely our system of justice has to be about more than just revenge and has to be a generally workable frameworkvthan simply built around a series of exceptions whenever a particularly heinous crime is committed. That is my two penny's worth on the matter." Yep. The courts do sometimes get it wrong. It's bad enough if someone's been falsely locked up for 17 years but you can let them out again. You can't unhang an innocent person. | |||
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"I wonder how many people would change their views..at least a little..if it were them that had been abused. Or, even worse, it were their child that had been abused. It is extremely easy to defend the innocent when you haven't experienced the guilty. Eve. X Without sounding harsh - that's exactly why sentencing policy is not decided purely with reference to the victims. There has to be a more dispassionate look at it than you're capable of. This issue is personal for you, I dare say there are other crimes of which you haven't been a victim that you would see as lesser, but someone who had been a victim of them would see as more serious. Or if a relative or friend of yours had been the innocent victim of a miscarriage of justice, which also happens. I think you might then take the rights of the innocent a little more seriously. Oh I still take the rights of innocents seriously, I just know how flawed the legal system is and that far more lives are taken and destroyed by the guilty than those of the wrongly accused. I just find it odd that most people don't seem to be considering the victims of the guilty, only the feelings of the wrongly accused. You say that is why it isn't based on victims alone but it is because of people being too scared of wrongly accusing that so many guilty people are free to walk the streets. Swings and roundabouts. As I already said, I don't want innocent people hurt..at all. I do want a harsher sentence for the guilty though. I pray that you never have to experience the devastation that is child abuse. Eve. That's not what I said - can't speak for anyone else. The feelings of victims should be and are taken into account, impact statements etc. - but I do not think it's right that you decide sentencing policy purely based on feelings. There are other victims of crimes who have been able to choose to forgive, who wouldn't want their abusers put to death. Their views should have equal weight with yours. It is a savage society that would decide on whether to put someone to death based purely on the feelings of a victim. You'd be putting people to death for a draconian range of crimes and that's not a state that I would ever want to live in. As I say, it's easy to say so when not a victim yourself. If you were abducted, raped multiple times, had pictures taken on you being molested and raped, beaten, raped again, been raped by friends of your attacker..would you forgive or would you want his evil permanently removed from the world? As I said, I don't want those that are innocent to be punished! I do keep saying that. I do wish victims feelings were considered more though but many feel the same way as you and so they aren't. It's sad but we are more afraid of wrongly convicting than protecting the victims. Eve." I don't think you understand the point I'm making and it's clearly very personal to you so I'll leave it there. | |||
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"I wonder how many people would change their views..at least a little..if it were them that had been abused. Or, even worse, it were their child that had been abused. It is extremely easy to defend the innocent when you haven't experienced the guilty. Eve. X Without sounding harsh - that's exactly why sentencing policy is not decided purely with reference to the victims. There has to be a more dispassionate look at it than you're capable of. This issue is personal for you, I dare say there are other crimes of which you haven't been a victim that you would see as lesser, but someone who had been a victim of them would see as more serious. Or if a relative or friend of yours had been the innocent victim of a miscarriage of justice, which also happens. I think you might then take the rights of the innocent a little more seriously. Oh I still take the rights of innocents seriously, I just know how flawed the legal system is and that far more lives are taken and destroyed by the guilty than those of the wrongly accused. I just find it odd that most people don't seem to be considering the victims of the guilty, only the feelings of the wrongly accused. You say that is why it isn't based on victims alone but it is because of people being too scared of wrongly accusing that so many guilty people are free to walk the streets. Swings and roundabouts. As I already said, I don't want innocent people hurt..at all. I do want a harsher sentence for the guilty though. I pray that you never have to experience the devastation that is child abuse. Eve. That's not what I said - can't speak for anyone else. The feelings of victims should be and are taken into account, impact statements etc. - but I do not think it's right that you decide sentencing policy purely based on feelings. There are other victims of crimes who have been able to choose to forgive, who wouldn't want their abusers put to death. Their views should have equal weight with yours. It is a savage society that would decide on whether to put someone to death based purely on the feelings of a victim. You'd be putting people to death for a draconian range of crimes and that's not a state that I would ever want to live in. As I say, it's easy to say so when not a victim yourself. If you were abducted, raped multiple times, had pictures taken on you being molested and raped, beaten, raped again, been raped by friends of your attacker..would you forgive or would you want his evil permanently removed from the world? As I said, I don't want those that are innocent to be punished! I do keep saying that. I do wish victims feelings were considered more though but many feel the same way as you and so they aren't. It's sad but we are more afraid of wrongly convicting than protecting the victims. Eve. I don't think you understand the point I'm making and it's clearly very personal to you so I'll leave it there. " No I do, I really do doll. I guess I am just angry at my own personal situation and the lack of justice there. So sorry if you thought I was being argumentative or ignorant of the points you raised. Eve. X | |||
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"There is lots of loose talk above about how the death penalty should only be used if the person is '100% guilty'. However, as far as criminal law is formulated, people have to be found guilty 'beyond all reasonable doubt' which is the only standard that is ever applied in any criminal case (civil law the standard is lower). Despite this higher standard, people who have been convicted subsequently have their sentences quashed or ruled as 'unsafe' on appeal. It happens with historic cases and it is undoubtedly happening right now. There is no way to have the death penalty AND sufficient safe guards to guarantee that innocent men and women won't be executed by the state. Equally there is no adequate retitution that can be made to an executed person and their family. That's why I am opposed to the death penalty for all crimes committed by anyone against anyone ever. No doubt if my child was harmed I would feel differently about the perpetrator. But surely our system of justice has to be about more than just revenge and has to be a generally workable frameworkvthan simply built around a series of exceptions whenever a particularly heinous crime is committed. That is my two penny's worth on the matter." that is where the judge would come into play. When passing sentence the judge can be either lenient or harsh depending on the evidence given. | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer" | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer "While we are at it we should hang the mothers who turned a blind eye, and previous victims who didn't report it and stop the abuse of the next victims, police for not catching them etc... sod it hang everyone and be done with it. Back to my earlier question, what exactly constitutes abuse that gets the death penalty? | |||
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"lots of comments saying the 'guy ' should be killed , may i ask is it the same for the women and children that abuse others, many women are being knicked for child abuse , and also a rise in the number of young people abusing others xx" Very true, I used he as it relates to my own previous situation but I am fully aware that women can be just as predatory and evil. Eve. X | |||
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"Sadly life imprisonment is expensive and with so many sick people in society just not something we can sustain. Killing someone is just not viable due to innocent people being convicted on nothing more than lies craig charles a prime example. There must be some way of a drug induced sexual depressant. An injection every month of whatever after release to kill ALL sexual urges... Is there anything available, I have no idea." There is. The Depo Provera injection used as a female contraceptive was originally invented as a form of male "chemical castration". | |||
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"Hang all sex offenders Somewhere in the UK, a recently exonerated professional footballer shudders (along with a lot of other victims of miscarriages of justice). " I agree  | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer
While we are at it we should hang the mothers who turned a blind eye, and previous victims who didn't report it and stop the abuse of the next victims, police for not catching them etc... sod it hang everyone and be done with it.
Back to my earlier question, what exactly constitutes abuse that gets the death penalty? "I've asked that question too & no one who wants capital punishment seems prepared to answer it. All I've read on here is ~ if the person is 100% proven guilty but for what level of abuse / crime exactly? | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer
While we are at it we should hang the mothers who turned a blind eye, and previous victims who didn't report it and stop the abuse of the next victims, police for not catching them etc... sod it hang everyone and be done with it.
Back to my earlier question, what exactly constitutes abuse that gets the death penalty?
I've asked that question too & no one who wants capital punishment seems prepared to answer it. All I've read on here is ~ if the person is 100% proven guilty but for what level of abuse / crime exactly?"ok lets turn the question around. What level of sexual activity with a child do you deem acceptable? | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer
While we are at it we should hang the mothers who turned a blind eye, and previous victims who didn't report it and stop the abuse of the next victims, police for not catching them etc... sod it hang everyone and be done with it.
Back to my earlier question, what exactly constitutes abuse that gets the death penalty?
I've asked that question too & no one who wants capital punishment seems prepared to answer it. All I've read on here is ~ if the person is 100% proven guilty but for what level of abuse / crime exactly? ok lets turn the question around. What level of sexual activity with a child do you deem acceptable?"None. So should we hang mothers who buy toddlers inappropriate clothing? | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer
While we are at it we should hang the mothers who turned a blind eye, and previous victims who didn't report it and stop the abuse of the next victims, police for not catching them etc... sod it hang everyone and be done with it.
Back to my earlier question, what exactly constitutes abuse that gets the death penalty?
I've asked that question too & no one who wants capital punishment seems prepared to answer it. All I've read on here is ~ if the person is 100% proven guilty but for what level of abuse / crime exactly? ok lets turn the question around. What level of sexual activity with a child do you deem acceptable?"None at all | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
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Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
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Then surely the answer must be to keep them locked up.
You would think so but it's not possible to keep every sex offender locked up for life. We don't have the space or money as a country. It's messed up.
Eve. X"I think it's more messed up to go from we don't have money or space to kill them lol. | |||
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"Personally I find all sex and abuse crimes abhorrent. " Thats exactly what Rolf said to the Police when first arrested | |||
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"Sometimes the legal system gets things wrong but for repeat offenders of child abuse,the glitters,savilles and harris's of this world will not change even with all the rehab available,if they hang, there's no chance of another child being abused by these monsters and wont be a burden on the tax payer
While we are at it we should hang the mothers who turned a blind eye, and previous victims who didn't report it and stop the abuse of the next victims, police for not catching them etc... sod it hang everyone and be done with it.
Back to my earlier question, what exactly constitutes abuse that gets the death penalty?
I've asked that question too & no one who wants capital punishment seems prepared to answer it. All I've read on here is ~ if the person is 100% proven guilty but for what level of abuse / crime exactly? ok lets turn the question around. What level of sexual activity with a child do you deem acceptable?"You've turned that question beyond around!! If you have capital punishment for all crimes involving sexual activity with a 'chid' that wouldn't differentiate between say a man of just turned 18 having sex with girl of 15 years 11months and a paedophile like Rolf Harris. So all these people on here saying 'hang 'em' could find their offspring in the very situation I've described above (which believe me does happen ) so that's why I've asked the question. | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
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Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
Then surely the answer must be to keep them locked up.
You would think so but it's not possible to keep every sex offender locked up for life. We don't have the space or money as a country. It's messed up.
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I think it's more messed up to go from we don't have money or space to kill them lol. "Bearing in mind that I don't want innocent people to hang...I've said so countless times  ..what would you have happen?
No space and money to keep them locked up. What is your solution?
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"15 yrs and 11 months is still classed as a child in the eyes of the law. Therefore the just turned 18 (adult) has to either engage control or face the consequences. " and if they started the relationship when they were both under 16, say 13 & 15, it progresses to a sexual one, then what? They are both 'guilty' of not engaging control but only one is liable for prosecution in the eyes of law. | |||
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"Bearing in mind that I don't want innocent people to hang...I've said so countless times ..what would you have happen?
No space and money to keep them locked up. What is your solution?
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"Sex offenders are vile and my heart truly goes out to anyone who has suffered at the hands of them. I can't support the death penalty for this though. You would 100% kill innocent people. I know personally a guy who was accused and convicted of a very serious sex offence some years ago. In 2014, the victim came forward and admitted she lied. He would be dead. If someone thinks that their own brother, father, wife etc being wrongly accused and executed is a price worth paying, then at least that's consistent. I can't see many people accepting that though. That doesn't mean I don't acknowledge the hideous nature of what sex offenders do. " The girl who lied as you say could have cost the life of your friend if her only motive was to draw attention to herself or some other warbed Idea then people like her should be sentenced if she comes under the mental health act then thats where she belongs somewhere secure where people can look after her. | |||
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"Lets use a recent case as an example. Those two vile bastards that kidnapped raped then murdered that young lass from ibstock. Should we keep them in what is more like a holiday camp for 5 to 6 years. Playing on xbox games. Or should we rid the world of them" Sentence was 35 years minimum, not 5 to 6. | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world?" What a vile statement! | |||
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"Lets use a recent case as an example. Those two vile bastards that kidnapped raped then murdered that young lass from ibstock. Should we keep them in what is more like a holiday camp for 5 to 6 years. Playing on xbox games. Or should we rid the world of them Sentence was 35 years minimum, not 5 to 6." Don't let facts get in the way of a rant. | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world?" Control themselves...abuse is not about sex its about power and control over others. These people could out themselves, ensure they do not go near or work with children and behave decently. | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world?" How about not act upon those feelings, same as others with equally vile 'feelings'.. surprised anyone would need to ask.. | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world?" Make themselves known to the authorities and tell them they feel that children are at risk around them for a start. And make sure they seek councilling to help with those dangerous feelings. And also make sure they dont do jobs where young children are and avoid situations where children will be around them. Thats a start in the right direction surely? | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world?" I quit smoking and still get urges to smoke but I don't And I don't hang around people who smoke so I don't get tempted to light up It's like your feeling sorry for these pedos and want society to feel sorry for them | |||
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"Lets use a recent case as an example. Those two vile bastards that kidnapped raped then murdered that young lass from ibstock. Should we keep them in what is more like a holiday camp for 5 to 6 years. Playing on xbox games. Or should we rid the world of them Sentence was 35 years minimum, not 5 to 6." and you really think they will serve 35 years | |||
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"The death penalty should never be reinstated. Innocent people could be killed. hear hear
Too true, screw the innocent children that are abused and often killed though said abuse.
Seriously though, I said as a victim of abuse and as a mother that I want it. You may be able you understand why if you were in my shoes.
Drug dealer and thieves get less time than pedophiles.
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Nobody is saying screw the innocent kids. Not at all. But there are innocent people in prison who would now be innocent and dead if there were a death penalty. I am also a mother and have had my own struggles with men so i am kind of in your shoes, and i do not agree with the death penalty. Do you seriously prefer innocent people being killed. Because thats what would happen. Surely it's better for them to be locked up in prison.
Of course I don't want innocent people dead, I also don't want any innocent children's life's destroyed or taken away.
They don't stay locked up, that's the trouble. We can't afford to keep them locked up for life and we don't have the space needed to house them all.
Hence why my abuser was let free, allowed to destroy another little girls life..he barely did time for that either and still walks the streets today.
It's sickening.
Eve.
Then surely the answer must be to keep them locked up.
You would think so but it's not possible to keep every sex offender locked up for life. We don't have the space or money as a country. It's messed up.
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I think it's more messed up to go from we don't have money or space to kill them lol.
Bearing in mind that I don't want innocent people to hang...I've said so countless times ..what would you have happen?
No space and money to keep them locked up. What is your solution?
Eve."We are one of the richest countries in the world and i say we can afford to build more prisons. But if we had to choose. Then my solution would be to stop putting people in prison for less serious crimes like not paying fines, shop lifting, taking drugs and prostituion. Then use those empty spaces for more serious crimes. Also a lot of women in prison don't need to be there. They seem to be more harshly sentenced for crimes committed so let's free up their prisons for men. | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world?" I totally agree with you. I'm not on a pedophiles side make no mistake. But i don't think it's helpful to drive them underground. There should be more help for them. So they can come forward and get therapy. And they do come forward if the help is offered. There are pedophiles out there who have called helplines for them because they know it's wrong but can't help the way they feel and they are worried about committing a crime. Although to be honest it's all a matter of will power. I fancy women as well as men but I'm never going to sexually abuse a woman who is weaker than me and abuse her. Because i wouldn't want to as is not in my nature. So you can be a pedophile and not commit a crime. Just get help. | |||
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"We are one of the richest countries in the world and i say we can afford to build more prisons. But if we had to choose. Then my solution would be to stop putting people in prison for less serious crimes like not paying fines, shop lifting, taking drugs and prostituion. Then use those empty spaces for more serious crimes. Also a lot of women in prison don't need to be there. They seem to be more harshly sentenced for crimes committed so let's free up their prisons for men. " How about if we trained a bunch of people to consider all cases on the individual circumstances, they could then dispationatly allocate from a range of punishment or rehabilitation options, to keep those people in check we could have a process where if you feel the sentence was too harsh or too lenient where other trained people reviewed the judgement... Oh, hang on.... we do don't we... Crime is an equal opportunity employer, so no sexism should come into it, and unfortunately repeat offenders are unknown unless the repeat offend, so you can only sentence on the known facts. | |||
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"I'm going to be trolled to he'll and back for this.... This thread has made me annoyed to say the least. Current society has it's knickers in a twist about child abuse but every culture has some kind of it. Greeks were obsessed with child sexuality, amazonian Indians ritualised it... yes in western culture we call it wrong but who's say we are right? the evolution of human nature has created something that means some people are attracted to children. Imagine being told what you feel is wrong? Not being able to act upon feelings you have no control over and having to hide who you are? Driving pedophiles underground is hardly helpful in either preventing harm to children or developing treatments. I know someone who approached his doctor to ask for chemical castration and was told not to be so stupid. What exactly are people who know they have sexual feelings towards children supposed to do in this world? Control themselves...abuse is not about sex its about power and control over others. These people could out themselves, ensure they do not go near or work with children and behave decently." Some people who are abuse do so after being victims of child sexual abuse themselves, maybe they're so fucked up they don't know how to behave 'decently'.... | |||
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"We are one of the richest countries in the world and i say we can afford to build more prisons. But if we had to choose. Then my solution would be to stop putting people in prison for less serious crimes like not paying fines, shop lifting, taking drugs and prostituion. Then use those empty spaces for more serious crimes. Also a lot of women in prison don't need to be there. They seem to be more harshly sentenced for crimes committed so let's free up their prisons for men. How about if we trained a bunch of people to consider all cases on the individual circumstances, they could then dispationatly allocate from a range of punishment or rehabilitation options, to keep those people in check we could have a process where if you feel the sentence was too harsh or too lenient where other trained people reviewed the judgement... Oh, hang on.... we do don't we... Crime is an equal opportunity employer, so no sexism should come into it, and unfortunately repeat offenders are unknown unless the repeat offend, so you can only sentence on the known facts. I'm sorry but what is your point. My point is we already have a fair system that works in principle. sweeping statements like don't send shoplifters to prison don't help, 1 person steels an apple another takes 5 million worth of jewellery they are both shop lifters, but the sentencing I think you would agree needs to be individual. " You have to read previous comments to see why i said that. I agree with everything you are saying about the justice system. But i was put in a pretend situation where i had to come up with a pretend answer. | |||
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"Also a lot of women in prison don't need to be there. They seem to be more harshly sentenced for crimes committed so let's free up their prisons for men. Statistically speaking women are often given lesser sentences for crimes committed due to family duties and so forth." As shown by the vastly differing size of male and female prison estates | |||
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"This thread needs to fuck off EVERY time I log into The Forums I think he waggled his wobble board for one last time !" Yep it has wandered about quite a lot, think the 175 may happen before the rih Rolf thread starts though. | |||
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"He will be released tomorrow" He is being released on bail. He still has to stand trial for allegations made against him. | |||
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"He will be released tomorrow He is being released on bail. He still has to stand trial for allegations made against him. " That is right he is and we will see what he will get. | |||
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"Sadly life imprisonment is expensive and with so many sick people in society just not something we can sustain. Killing someone is just not viable due to innocent people being convicted on nothing more than lies craig charles a prime example. There must be some way of a drug induced sexual depressant. An injection every month of whatever after release to kill ALL sexual urges... Is there anything available, I have no idea." I think a better idea for 100% conviction and evidence for paedophiles would be to give them a full sex change and throw them in specially built prisons holding male rapists and murders . | |||
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"Sadly life imprisonment is expensive and with so many sick people in society just not something we can sustain. Killing someone is just not viable due to innocent people being convicted on nothing more than lies craig charles a prime example. There must be some way of a drug induced sexual depressant. An injection every month of whatever after release to kill ALL sexual urges... Is there anything available, I have no idea. I think a better idea for 100% conviction and evidence for paedophiles would be to give them a full sex change and throw them in specially built prisons holding male rapists and murders . " Then the people who have been waiting for this operation to make them feel complete get put to the back of the queue again for some dirty scumbag | |||
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"Sadly life imprisonment is expensive and with so many sick people in society just not something we can sustain. Killing someone is just not viable due to innocent people being convicted on nothing more than lies craig charles a prime example. There must be some way of a drug induced sexual depressant. An injection every month of whatever after release to kill ALL sexual urges... Is there anything available, I have no idea. I think a better idea for 100% conviction and evidence for paedophiles would be to give them a full sex change and throw them in specially built prisons holding male rapists and murders . Then the people who have been waiting for this operation to make them feel complete get put to the back of the queue again for some dirty scumbag " Not really if prisons have there own surgeon worse case scenario it be done by yts trainee plumber | |||
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"I hope if he is found guilty of these crimes the severity of his sentence exponentially increases ..... " It might happen but your later wish is pie in the sky. We now live in an age commonly reported as post truth...... One can believe anything as it can be true for them... One can say anything as it's their perception. This isn't restricted out of cour either. It's the consequent of challenging absolutes. Too many precedence and cover ups have been made over the years for real truth to be upheld. It comes out in the end as it always does but it's rarely upheld anymore. | |||
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"Not defending sex offenders BUT....... are you aware that some of them are branded sex offenders for purely slapping someone's arse or similar? How many of us are guilty of that, especially those that touch inappropriately in clubs" Ffs | |||
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"Not defending sex offenders BUT....... are you aware that some of them are branded sex offenders for purely slapping someone's arse or similar? How many of us are guilty of that, especially those that touch inappropriately in clubs Ffs "I know | |||
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"It's still about him, it should be about his victims (those he has been convicted of)" | |||
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"Not defending sex offenders BUT....... are you aware that some of them are branded sex offenders for purely slapping someone's arse or similar? How many of us are guilty of that, especially those that touch inappropriately in clubs" Good!!!.. What the hell kind of prick thinks it's ok to put his hand on my arse without my permission. As for the bit about people touching others inappropriately in clubs. My mind is just working overtime as to what you mean by this. If you are inappropriately touching another person, club or no club, you should suffer the consequences. | |||
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