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By *eavy Metal Ballz OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

Unbelievable, shocking and disturbing.

How so called carerers can treat their paitents so badly.

I hope that they get their comeuppance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watched it and horrified.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me too. Couldn't believe what I was watching.

It's a measure of a society how it treats its most vulnerable. Left me feeling truly ashamed.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Care and support sector is full of abusers... In my career I have come across 3.... Its sickening to think what people are capiable of.

Many don't have convictions so get clean CRB checks but does that make them trustworthy nope...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get so angry when I watch programmes in relation to abuse of the elderly and vulnerable. All down to uncaring and untrained carers who are nothing more than bullying chavs, it sickens me that these type of people are employed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It really wasn't nice to watch and it upset me.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Care and support sector is full of abusers... In my career I have come across 3.... Its sickening to think what people are capiable of.

Many don't have convictions so get clean CRB checks but does that make them trustworthy nope... "

CRB check is not worth the paper it is written on really, for it only give a picture of the undetected crimes... I so agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i sky+ it and will watch it later

surprisingly not....it features appalling examples of so called carers.

these type of carers are the extreme minority and we mustnt forget the many tens of thousands who do a fantastic job

these type of programs normally sadden me and based on the comments so far this one wont fail to make me sad and angry

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Care and support sector is full of abusers... In my career I have come across 3.... Its sickening to think what people are capiable of.

Many don't have convictions so get clean CRB checks but does that make them trustworthy nope...

CRB check is not worth the paper it is written on really, for it only give a picture of the undetected crimes... I so agree"

I have to have one every 2 years for my job but its another thing that the government profit from at 37 quid a time...

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By *ob and angelaCouple
over a year ago

glasgow

very distressing to watch & unbelievable that they get paid to care for not abuse these vulnerable people

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By (user no longer on site)
Forum Mod
over a year ago

I have it recorded,I know its going to be awful and distressing

It disgusts me the way some people treat those that need to be cared for in this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A family member 84 years old has just been through an ordeal at the care home he resides at

Three staff are being investigated

The fact that there can be teams of them beggars belief in my book

I don't usually do serious but i can tell you know its a bloody good job i don't know who they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am crb checked for work plus had to do child protection course as part of my level 2 but that only touched the surface of what goes on. I would hate to work in social services to have to face that every day takes a very strong person. After last few weeks I've had just have to be aware and know what to look out for. Well done to the whistle blower who bought this to the surface.

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By *eavy Metal Ballz OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

It has to make you wonder how wide spread that level of abuse is, I hope to god that that home was an exception but I fear that it's not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its because carers are employed who do not have the skills necessary for this kind of work. The majority have no healthcare qualifications. Its very challenging work and only someone with the right nature and attitude can achieve well and when you get groups of uneducated people in the role, then this kind of things happens, its dreadful, makes me so angry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This goes on unreported all the time because staff are scared to report it.

I was a support worker in the same field and reported 2 people with no hesitation. Id have personally swung for them and they knew it so i was transferred to another section. I was made out to be the bad guy while they stayed in their jobs.

I took it higher and won and they lost and was prosecuted and went down.

13 staff in the panorama case have merely been suspended. Many will walk away and carry on working.

Disgraceful

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Care and support sector is full of abusers... In my career I have come across 3.... Its sickening to think what people are capiable of.

Many don't have convictions so get clean CRB checks but does that make them trustworthy nope...

CRB check is not worth the paper it is written on really, for it only give a picture of the undetected crimes... I so agree

I have to have one every 2 years for my job but its another thing that the government profit from at 37 quid a time... "
Worcestershire it is now 48!!!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Care and support sector is full of abusers... In my career I have come across 3.... Its sickening to think what people are capiable of.

Many don't have convictions so get clean CRB checks but does that make them trustworthy nope...

CRB check is not worth the paper it is written on really, for it only give a picture of the undetected crimes... I so agree

I have to have one every 2 years for my job but its another thing that the government profit from at 37 quid a time... Worcestershire it is now 48!!!"

Its prob the same here.. I just complete the form and hand it to my boss so it is prob £48..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There should be some sort of register like they have for sex offenders. People on the register should not be allowed to work in care fields simples not ony in chidrens home but those who abuse the elderly too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With more and more private homes etc, the problem will only get worse. They employ young untrained staff and pay very little. No training or if training, only basic. I had 4 years training plus ongoing all the time. Also medical because i administered toxic drugs. The training by social services is second to none.

By the private sector its very lax to say the least.

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys,,,nasty ones. And those doing as just a job and not a carreer choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its been happening for years.

some private homes charge a fortune and treat the residents like scum.

i know id be very angry if i found out someone was ill treating my mother.

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By *inky24big35Couple
over a year ago

blackpool

it made me very sad and very angry watching because being a support worker myself i can not understand for one minute how they can treat them like that its sick and plus with them being stuck in all the time bored im not suprised they dont wana get out of bed, but to hit them and restrain them to that extent is horrendeous!

i thank god our place is not like that because i would not hesitate to stop someone if they were doing something to the resident and report them straight away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until the system rewards those that are prepared to spill the beans, it will stay the same.

Whistleblowers are likened to grasses in some quarters and those blowing the whistle usually end up getting treated very unfairly. As i was.

But i wasnt one for lying back and taking crap off anyone when i was in the right.

The powers that be realised this to their cost.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cant understand anyone wanting to work in that role if they dont have a caring and compassionate nature. Working with learning disability can be immensely rewarding, it is a challenging role, but those people who are good at it and loved by the people who care for them. Theres always the bad workers in every profession but when vulnerable people, elderly, children, disabled, are abused, its heartbreaking

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By *inky24big35Couple
over a year ago

blackpool


"Until the system rewards those that are prepared to spill the beans, it will stay the same.

Whistleblowers are likened to grasses in some quarters and those blowing the whistle usually end up getting treated very unfairly. As i was.

But i wasnt one for lying back and taking crap off anyone when i was in the right.

The powers that be realised this to their cost.

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tbh tho even if i lost my job over reporting someone i would not care because these are ppl that may not be able to voice about what is going on, and i think ppl who stand back and let them do it are just as bad as the abusers!

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By *inky24big35Couple
over a year ago

blackpool


"I cant understand anyone wanting to work in that role if they dont have a caring and compassionate nature. Working with learning disability can be immensely rewarding, it is a challenging role, but those people who are good at it and loved by the people who care for them. Theres always the bad workers in every profession but when vulnerable people, elderly, children, disabled, are abused, its heartbreaking "

thats exactly how i feel if you cant deal with being a carer to someone why do the job?!?!

i have a really good relationship with the ppl i care with and would fight tooth and nail for them to have the best and treat them how i would want to be treated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the people who stand back and watch it go on are as bad too, usually qualified nursing staff. Usually when a group of workers get together and display this behaviour, its almost a pack mentality, but if you are not involved in the abuse, but you can still stand back and watch it happen and do nothing, then its equal blame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't watch the programme as Siren finds programmes like these too upsetting to watch, but I have seen the news footage this morning about it and it takes a lot to shock me but this certainly has.

The hospital featured charges the taxpayer £3,500 PER WEEK PER PATIENT and with 55 other 'hospitals' in the Castlebeck group it amounts to an annual turnover of £90m. Paying their support workers an average paltry £15k pa it is not difficult to work out that this company puts profits ahead of patient care, seemingly at the expense of patient care.

It is not enough for the company to apologise, not this time. Heads have to roll over this and I am outraged that the tax I pay has partly funded the abuse of some of our most vulnerable people. It feels like I have personally paid for this to happen.

We can discuss how this type of abuse has become so prevalent on another thread as I don't want to make political statements here. Suffice it to say that I am so so shocked and disturbed by what I've seen. And damned fucking angry too!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there only human treat, them with respect

not to be tortured like that;

hope the boss n the so called staff members get charges n get sent down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The CQC were informed by a whistle blower about this particular hospital but did nothing. They complained that 'the abusers covered up what they were doing'. Well of course they would, wouldn't they!

This is where unannounced inspections can catch this type of failing in our care system but pre-warning someone that an inspection will be carried out next week gives them plenty of time to cover up whatever they are doing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

took them 5 weeks to be sure of this as well that's worst

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

The head of the Care qquality commission didn't seem to get it, he was too tied up with corporate crap tripping off his tongue, didn't seem to realise that this was a serious matter and something that could lead to a fatality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With more and more private homes etc, the problem will only get worse. They employ young untrained staff and pay very little. No training or if training, only basic. I had 4 years training plus ongoing all the time. Also medical because i administered toxic drugs. The training by social services is second to none.

By the private sector its very lax to say the least.

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys,,,nasty ones. And those doing as just a job and not a carreer choice. "

Fully agree.

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By *eavy Metal Ballz OP   Man
over a year ago

Birmingham

I think what made that home so bad that there seemed to be a culture of miss treatmen and abuse, it wasn't just one or two staff, 13 staff have been suspended and 4 arrested.

Those poor people, it must have been relentless, wouldn't matter what shift was on there would more than likely be one of those horrible little fuckers on shift.

Previous posters are right it does seem that it's more about making money and less about caring for people. I have no experience in this field but surely to Christ there has to be a better way to do things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nurses are required to be degree educated and a result of that is that certain jobs within the care industry and now deemed as beneath them so those jobs are filled by untrained, unprofessional and inexperienced staff who have no idea how to deal with an adult who has the mental capacity of a 4y/o. What frightens the life out of me is that the abusers may well have children of their own and nobody will ever know if those kids are treated the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"With more and more private homes etc, the problem will only get worse. They employ young untrained staff and pay very little. No training or if training, only basic. I had 4 years training plus ongoing all the time. Also medical because i administered toxic drugs. The training by social services is second to none.

By the private sector its very lax to say the least.

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys,,,nasty ones. And those doing as just a job and not a carreer choice. "

i became a carer in a private nursing home at 18, did a common induction standard within 4 weeks which was all about basic training, the homes policies and procedures and legislation if that wasnt completed by every member of staff the trial period was over. After that i went on to achieve NVQ2 within 6 months and then followed by NVQ3.

Im not a nurse however one day would love to be working in mental health. I dont think age has anything to do with how carers treat their clients.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"With more and more private homes etc, the problem will only get worse. They employ young untrained staff and pay very little. No training or if training, only basic. I had 4 years training plus ongoing all the time. Also medical because i administered toxic drugs. The training by social services is second to none.

By the private sector its very lax to say the least.

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys,,,nasty ones. And those doing as just a job and not a carreer choice.

i became a carer in a private nursing home at 18, did a common induction standard within 4 weeks which was all about basic training, the homes policies and procedures and legislation if that wasnt completed by every member of staff the trial period was over. After that i went on to achieve NVQ2 within 6 months and then followed by NVQ3.

Im not a nurse however one day would love to be working in mental health. I dont think age has anything to do with how carers treat their clients."

Oh god stay away from mental health it sends you nuts... I am a trained mental health worker and took a career change last year after 7 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im not a nurse however one day would love to be working in mental health. I dont think age has anything to do with how carers treat their clients.

Oh god stay away from mental health it sends you nuts... I am a trained mental health worker and took a career change last year after 7 years."

I worked in an EMI unit and did a few courses regarding mental health, found it fascinating. Within the team we had regular contact with CPN's so we fully understood why clients were on various controlled drugs as a form of sedation.

It upsets me when we only ever hear of the bad cases of health care what about all the good that goes on? I loved the Nursing home i worked in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It upsets me when we only ever hear of the bad cases of health care what about all the good that goes on? I loved the Nursing home i worked in."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Im not a nurse however one day would love to be working in mental health. I dont think age has anything to do with how carers treat their clients.

Oh god stay away from mental health it sends you nuts... I am a trained mental health worker and took a career change last year after 7 years.

I worked in an EMI unit and did a few courses regarding mental health, found it fascinating. Within the team we had regular contact with CPN's so we fully understood why clients were on various controlled drugs as a form of sedation.

It upsets me when we only ever hear of the bad cases of health care what about all the good that goes on? I loved the Nursing home i worked in."

The sector we work in is a thankless sector. The governement thank us by taking our jobs away and cut our funding so they can fund their expenses.

The money is crap and the abuse is everyday.. Why do I do it? Because it was the job I was born to do..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it does take a certain type of person to be a carer and truly believe that not everyone can do it.

What does annoy me is people who think its easy work, then realise its demanding and at the end of a 12hour shift sometimes you just want to scream. They then bitch about the wages being so rubbish. My view is that they new the pay when they applied for the job.

I do realise we all need money to live, however the care sector you definitely need quality staff who love (or at least like it) what they do, makes working in a team so much easier and less stressful.

Bad staff who dont want to be there will never work to full potential and decent quality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There should be some sort of register like they have for sex offenders. People on the register should not be allowed to work in care fields simples not ony in chidrens home but those who abuse the elderly too."

There are 2 ,1 is the POVA Protection of vunerable adults the other is The protection of childrens act 1999 both of which means that if you are put on list of either for anything to do with abuse or mistreatment of adults or children you can not then work with either .

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over a year ago

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I think it does take a certain type of person to be a carer and truly believe that not everyone can do it.

What does annoy me is people who think its easy work, then realise its demanding and at the end of a 12hour shift sometimes you just want to scream. They then bitch about the wages being so rubbish. My view is that they new the pay when they applied for the job.

I do realise we all need money to live, however the care sector you definitely need quality staff who love (or at least like it) what they do, makes working in a team so much easier and less stressful.

Bad staff who dont want to be there will never work to full potential and decent quality

"

I remember my first job it was min wage we were given a flat by the company it was a 10 month contract in a hostel in central London working on a shift rota basis but omg I loved the job.

I met some great and not so great residents but each had a story to tell. I can remember to this day this guy in this 30's he was an alcoholic and had M/H issues he wanted to get off drink to treat his M/H in the end it was too much and I found him hanging in his room.. I will never forget that. It was him that made me think I have to be the best worker I can be as I don't ever want to find someone hanging again..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think it does take a certain type of person to be a carer and truly believe that not everyone can do it.

What does annoy me is people who think its easy work, then realise its demanding and at the end of a 12hour shift sometimes you just want to scream. They then bitch about the wages being so rubbish. My view is that they new the pay when they applied for the job.

I do realise we all need money to live, however the care sector you definitely need quality staff who love (or at least like it) what they do, makes working in a team so much easier and less stressful.

Bad staff who dont want to be there will never work to full potential and decent quality

I remember my first job it was min wage we were given a flat by the company it was a 10 month contract in a hostel in central London working on a shift rota basis but omg I loved the job.

I met some great and not so great residents but each had a story to tell. I can remember to this day this guy in this 30's he was an alcoholic and had M/H issues he wanted to get off drink to treat his M/H in the end it was too much and I found him hanging in his room.. I will never forget that. It was him that made me think I have to be the best worker I can be as I don't ever want to find someone hanging again.. "

minimum wage when i started too was £5.05 then went up by 20p when i achieved NVQ2..

Loved all the stories people had to tell, all their ornaments and pictures had more stories attatched to them. Music was important to them too.

Heart breaking to see so many pictures of relatives and friends and yet they would rarely get visits.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I think it does take a certain type of person to be a carer and truly believe that not everyone can do it.

What does annoy me is people who think its easy work, then realise its demanding and at the end of a 12hour shift sometimes you just want to scream. They then bitch about the wages being so rubbish. My view is that they new the pay when they applied for the job.

I do realise we all need money to live, however the care sector you definitely need quality staff who love (or at least like it) what they do, makes working in a team so much easier and less stressful.

Bad staff who dont want to be there will never work to full potential and decent quality

I remember my first job it was min wage we were given a flat by the company it was a 10 month contract in a hostel in central London working on a shift rota basis but omg I loved the job.

I met some great and not so great residents but each had a story to tell. I can remember to this day this guy in this 30's he was an alcoholic and had M/H issues he wanted to get off drink to treat his M/H in the end it was too much and I found him hanging in his room.. I will never forget that. It was him that made me think I have to be the best worker I can be as I don't ever want to find someone hanging again..

minimum wage when i started too was £5.05 then went up by 20p when i achieved NVQ2..

Loved all the stories people had to tell, all their ornaments and pictures had more stories attatched to them. Music was important to them too.

Heart breaking to see so many pictures of relatives and friends and yet they would rarely get visits."

Yes some gave up on them as they could not handle the issues they had.. Some just was not bothered..

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By *inky24big35Couple
over a year ago

blackpool


"I think it does take a certain type of person to be a carer and truly believe that not everyone can do it.

What does annoy me is people who think its easy work, then realise its demanding and at the end of a 12hour shift sometimes you just want to scream. They then bitch about the wages being so rubbish. My view is that they new the pay when they applied for the job.

I do realise we all need money to live, however the care sector you definitely need quality staff who love (or at least like it) what they do, makes working in a team so much easier and less stressful.

Bad staff who dont want to be there will never work to full potential and decent quality

I remember my first job it was min wage we were given a flat by the company it was a 10 month contract in a hostel in central London working on a shift rota basis but omg I loved the job.

I met some great and not so great residents but each had a story to tell. I can remember to this day this guy in this 30's he was an alcoholic and had M/H issues he wanted to get off drink to treat his M/H in the end it was too much and I found him hanging in his room.. I will never forget that. It was him that made me think I have to be the best worker I can be as I don't ever want to find someone hanging again..

minimum wage when i started too was £5.05 then went up by 20p when i achieved NVQ2..

Loved all the stories people had to tell, all their ornaments and pictures had more stories attatched to them. Music was important to them too.

Heart breaking to see so many pictures of relatives and friends and yet they would rarely get visits.

Yes some gave up on them as they could not handle the issues they had.. Some just was not bothered.. "

this i totally agree with cz of the place i work in i see it and feel so sad that their family doesnt see them,they dont get presents for their birthdays or a card and i think how could you do that,it confused me to no end

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I think it does take a certain type of person to be a carer and truly believe that not everyone can do it.

What does annoy me is people who think its easy work, then realise its demanding and at the end of a 12hour shift sometimes you just want to scream. They then bitch about the wages being so rubbish. My view is that they new the pay when they applied for the job.

I do realise we all need money to live, however the care sector you definitely need quality staff who love (or at least like it) what they do, makes working in a team so much easier and less stressful.

Bad staff who dont want to be there will never work to full potential and decent quality

I remember my first job it was min wage we were given a flat by the company it was a 10 month contract in a hostel in central London working on a shift rota basis but omg I loved the job.

I met some great and not so great residents but each had a story to tell. I can remember to this day this guy in this 30's he was an alcoholic and had M/H issues he wanted to get off drink to treat his M/H in the end it was too much and I found him hanging in his room.. I will never forget that. It was him that made me think I have to be the best worker I can be as I don't ever want to find someone hanging again..

minimum wage when i started too was £5.05 then went up by 20p when i achieved NVQ2..

Loved all the stories people had to tell, all their ornaments and pictures had more stories attatched to them. Music was important to them too.

Heart breaking to see so many pictures of relatives and friends and yet they would rarely get visits.

Yes some gave up on them as they could not handle the issues they had.. Some just was not bothered..

this i totally agree with cz of the place i work in i see it and feel so sad that their family doesnt see them,they dont get presents for their birthdays or a card and i think how could you do that,it confused me to no end"

Some guys began drinking or taking drugs at an early age some left their home towns to go to London and just got into a trail of drugs and alcohol many leaving kids and parents wondering what happened to them.

It is sad but sometimes the family did want to see them but the guys did not want to they spent years trying to blot what issues they may had at home and did not want to confront the issues..

We live in a world now where drugs are on every street corner and booze in every shop and with the binge drinking on the rise. It is heart breaking but I have become cold in my thinking not because i don't care but because I have to look after my own mental health as well..

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By *inky24big35Couple
over a year ago

blackpool

it is a very mentally draining job but so rewarding, i think my problem is i care too much and i put myself in the position of running myself into the ground but cant help it when i see the residents happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it is a very mentally draining job but so rewarding, i think my problem is i care too much and i put myself in the position of running myself into the ground but cant help it when i see the residents happy"

im with you on that. i stopped working a year and a half ago and the break has been amazing. made me realise how close i got to people.

death surprisingly didnt effect me though, was alright with it. knowing that person was free from pain, they look so peaceful and its like their wrinkles and creases fade away and return to a youthful state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have just watched this, and from about 5 mins in, ive just been sitting in tears.

In every workplace there is good and bad employees, but they people were truely bad.

Its not often I cry but the treatment of they young adults was shocking.

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