FabSwingers.com forum: Equality, is it still a mans world?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Your thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you mean as in sexual equality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In business, most definately. In the bedroom? Not so much.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

No i think its more of a womans world.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Your thoughts?"

Depends in what part of the world. In the work environment, I don't think it is anymore

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It's very much still a man's world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Most businesses are still male dominated, especially higher up the ranks.

Pity because women can add insights and attitudes that men often don't have.

(Sorry for the stereotypes, but it's often true)

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Your thoughts?"

Seems to be in both my industry and in vast swathes of my personal life.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

I think the answer lies in the fact that women's average pay lags well behind that of men?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In business, most definately. In the bedroom? Not so much.

This is always an interesting one. Probably in business it's still a man's world, especially the upper echelons for salary and promotion, as we hear with regular monotony in the media. However, relatively few people are in that working bracket. I have always worked in jobs, both crap and up to reasonably well paid, certainly well above the national average and I have never been paid more than my female colleagues. Quite the contrary, in some jobs the ladies received favourable allowances and working conditions just because they were ladies..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more"

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more"

I think you are right, in some areas it is. In my job before I retired, it was pretty much equality and most of our managers were women and still are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In business, most definately. In the bedroom? Not so much.

You do realise that would then be blatant discrimination against men, therefore not allowed

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I think the answer lies in the fact that women's average pay lags well behind that of men?"

I don't mean this in a negative way, because I think women are as capable as men and should be represented equally:

Is the average pulled back by women who leave to run a family and then return to work 5-10 years later? These are capable women, who would have otherwise made 10 years promotional and salary progression.

Don't know, but it might answer 'some' of the salary mismatch.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a woman's world on fab, on dating sites, and as far as sex is concerned.....

There's a saying..men control the purse but women control the fanny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think for the majority of the world women are still very much second class citizens.

As for the UK? I dont know. My only observation from the workplace is that in the jobs I've had (offices, admin, public sector) is that are a lot of female junior and middle managers, but very few women at very senior and executive level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't mean this in a negative way, because I think women are as capable as men and should be represented equally:

Don't know, but it might answer 'some' of the salary mismatch.

MrB"

In some industries the pay just lags. One of the teaching unions surveyed women who had not had time off from university lecturing to have children and found that their pay and promotions lagged considerably behind men of equal qualification on average.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the answer lies in the fact that women's average pay lags well behind that of men?"

I'm not convinced, you see you would have to do a comparison of like for like jobs, and how much each are paid to do the same job for the same hours, in the same company with the same cv and qualifications, there are too many variables to say men earn more than some flat out, its mot like a female doctor earns less than a male forklift driver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at how men dominate business and politics. Look at the differences between how men and women are portrayed in the media. Look at the difference between coverage and financial investment in men's and women's sport. We aren't even close to equality

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Behind every successful man is a woman - and one in front of him, too, if he's lucky

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

"I think the answer lies in the fact that women's average pay lags well behind that of men?

I don't mean this in a negative way, because I think women are as capable as men and should be represented equally:

Is the average pulled back by women who leave to run a family and then return to work 5-10 years later? "

Why should the financial price of having children fall on women? Women are, on average, likely to earn £300,000 less than men over their working lives,

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I don't mean this in a negative way, because I think women are as capable as men and should be represented equally:

Don't know, but it might answer 'some' of the salary mismatch.

MrB

I would have guessed/hoped that universities would have been the last place for this to be an issue.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?"

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women "

In what way?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would have guessed/hoped that universities would have been the last place for this to be an issue."

Well, considering how progressive and liberal universities genuinely are - what does that suggest about the state of other less progressive industries?

(Hint: As a freelancer I opted to change my name to a masculine spelling in order to get my foot through doors)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Look at how men dominate business and politics. Look at the differences between how men and women are portrayed in the media. Look at the difference between coverage and financial investment in men's and women's sport. We aren't even close to equality "
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That's because men and women are different, were not the same and are never going to be... It's just a biological fact

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I think the answer lies in the fact that women's average pay lags well behind that of men?

I don't mean this in a negative way, because I think women are as capable as men and should be represented equally:

Is the average pulled back by women who leave to run a family and then return to work 5-10 years later?

Why should the financial price of having children fall on women? Women are, on average, likely to earn £300,000 less than men over their working lives, "

I'm not saying it should fall to women.

I'm saying in a couple, if that couple elect for the female half to take 5-10 years out of work, she'll miss salary and on return her earnings will lag behind where they would have been.

In that simplistic example if she was earning £30k pa and had 10 years off 'til the kids were at secondary school, that would be the £300k you mention.

I'm asking if that could be a contributor to the overall problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women "

So in what way are men now unequal to women?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely a womans world on here!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not a mans world until New-look stock really cute high heel ankle boots in size 10

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Definitely a womans world on here!"

So it should be.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?"
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Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Definitely a womans world on here!

So it should be.

MrB"
too easy for women ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely"

That's only because they are weak willed though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prison sentences, men receive longer and more penal sentencing for the same crimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

That's only because they are weak willed though

"
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Sexist

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Definitely a womans world on here!

So it should be.

MrB too easy for women ??"

No, I don't think so. But that's not this thread.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely"

I believe attempted suicides are the same. Men are more violent in their attempt so have a higher success rate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Child custody. Men are far less likely to be awarded custody....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think on paper yeah in the Uk it seems to be more equal but behind closed doors I still think very much so that women are held up to different standards and treated differently.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women "
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This sounds like your entire reasoning is based around 'it just feels like it, okay?'

Ten minutes of applying the thinking of a rational mind to the actualities of the modern world should tell you you are wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

That's only because they are weak willed though

Or maybe they are less likely to seek help than women, in fear of being seen as weak by judgemental people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

That's only because they are weak willed though

Or maybe they are less likely to seek help than women, in fear of being seen as weak by judgemental people. "

Oh i'd never have managed to have that thought myself...thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

I believe attempted suicides are the same. Men are more violent in their attempt so have a higher success rate."
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So we're Just better at it then

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

I believe attempted suicides are the same. Men are more violent in their attempt so have a higher success rate..

So we're Just better at it then"

Higher aptitude for violence , yes.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

That's only because they are weak willed though

Or maybe they are less likely to seek help than women, in fear of being seen as weak by judgemental people.

Oh i'd never have managed to have that thought myself...thanks

Well funnily enough I can't read the minds of people on the Internet. I can only base my response based on a facetious comment about suicide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In business, most definately. In the bedroom? Not so much.

You do realise that would then be blatant discrimination against men, therefore not allowed"

Aww, bless. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Well funnily enough I can't read the minds of people on the Internet. I can only base my response based on a facetious comment about suicide. "

In fairness, she did put a smiley wink. I have done the same thing, especially when it is emotive, we can sometimes argue, whilst agreeing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

Or shirtless men carrying puppies, cleaning, or standing around drinking fiet drinks becaus, oh no, something terrible has happened to his shirt, that media, media and advertising is now objectfying men in the same way that it did women in the 60s and 70s, but somehow its acceptable, imagine an advert where a woman is manipulated into taking her top of, leaving tits swinging in the wind, just so that a bunch of male office workers could high five and air punch their way through a Barry white song, sounds sinister doesn't it.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in what was and still is to some extent a very male dominated industry, but there is an ever increasing number of women in more senior roles. I'm sure motherhood has played a huge part in male female salary divides and women consequently returning to work part time, but often in these surveys they compare apples and pears, I think when looking at job roles in the same industries then the salaries would even out more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

I believe attempted suicides are the same. Men are more violent in their attempt so have a higher success rate..

So we're Just better at it then

Higher aptitude for violence , yes.

MrB"
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3 times better according to national statistics office

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In business, most definately. In the bedroom? Not so much.

You do realise that would then be blatant discrimination against men, therefore not allowed

Aww, bless. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...

Thanks dear...but i didn"t sneeze

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

"It's very much still a man's world. "

Agree with this

Miss

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

" in some jobs the ladies received favourable allowances and working conditions just because they were ladies..

You do realise that would then be blatant discrimination against men, therefore not allowed

Aww, bless. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...

What were these favourable allowances and conditions?

MrB

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman"

Did anyone say confirmation bias?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman

Did anyone say confirmation bias?

Er, yeah, you did, look up a bit, its up there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them."

Donald Trump

Bernie Sanders

David Cameron

Tony Blaire

John Major

Boris Johnson

Bill Clinton

Vladimir Putin

Mitt Romney

Francois Hollande

Justin Trudeau

George Osbourne

Ed Milliband

Jeremy Corbyn

Nick Clegg

Michael Gove

Nigel Farage

Gordon Brown

Iain Duncan Smith

et al

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Donald Trump

Bernie Sanders

David Cameron

Tony Blaire

John Major

Boris Johnson

Bill Clinton

Vladimir Putin

Mitt Romney

Francois Hollande

Justin Trudeau

George Osbourne

Ed Milliband

Jeremy Corbyn

Nick Clegg

Michael Gove

Nigel Farage

Gordon Brown

Iain Duncan Smith

et al"

Oh well, two out of three ain't bad

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just thought of the obvious one as well..... Women get to retire earlier.... Sexist

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

et al"

It's not swung the other way at all, I agree. It will be another 10-20 years until it is close.

But, can it ever become actually equal, when women give birth? I don't mean that in a way that women should stay at home etc etc , but it is a fact that babies come from women, and I guess those mothers will be away from work for anything from 6 months upwards, even if there are creches etc etc. That will always leave a differential.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I've just thought of the obvious one as well..... Women get to retire earlier.... Sexist

For now, increasing to 65 same as men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women only swimming at my leisure centre but no men only sessions... Sexist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women only swimming at my leisure centre but no men only sessions... Sexist"

That's only because men get carried away where long strokes are involved

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do"

Give over ffs

MrB

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

These jobs should be for men anyway in my opinion Maggie thatcher and tessy may being the exception, there are too many women sports presenters for example. I think women should just do daytime television programes for housewives. Women are portrayed in the media because thats how they want to be portrayed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh well, two out of three ain't bad"

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

Actually, these adverts are largely a subversive pisstake out of the way that women have been treated in advertisements over the past... century or more. (Plus, you named like, three adverts? I could go through and show you thousands and thousands that objectify women).

Considering them individually though - the Diet Coke advert is a great one. Lets compare it to Herbal Essences (woman in a shower making orgasm noises).

The Diet Coke Bloke is classically seen as attractive to women not just because of his body, but also because of his profession and his inherent confidence. You see his whole body, including his face, and you generally see him eying up the women and making suggestive expressions at them. He is not the object, he is the one viewing the women and trying to entice them. He is not being objectified - he is being shown as a whole human who has agency with his actions. He *chooses* to take his shirt off in the adverts and show his body off. Unlike Herbal Essences, for example, where the advert is voyeuristic and focussed on sexual female pleasure. You often don't see her face, just the back of her head. She seems to be unaware that she's been watched by the audience. She is vulnerable and the advert is predatory. Her sexual pleasure is being used to sell the product, whereas in the Diet Coke advert it's about the man's sexual pleasure and the fact he's got the choice of multiple women.

If our society allowed women to take their top's off and walk down the high street with their breasts out without being either arrested, wolf-whistled or sexually assaulted I'd take your point that it's not fair for men to be treated this way - but you can still take your shirt off in public without worrying that someone will accuse you of 'asking' to be raped.

"And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman"

Actually Connor McGregor is the highest paid UFC star - he made it onto Forbes rich list this year. However, he's still outdone by a large number of male athletes.

There are no female athletes in the top 25 highest paid athletes in the world according to Forbes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't think that the sexs, catching up with each other is a bad thing, despite the end of that particular stick some might have grabbed hold of, its a complicated and contentious issue and I think it may be many years before we see a truly equal world, but that utopia will be reached a lot sooner, if those striving for equality, stop seeing themselves as superior, no matter what has gone before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that the sexs, catching up with each other is a bad thing, despite the end of that particular stick some might have grabbed hold of, its a complicated and contentious issue and I think it may be many years before we see a truly equal world, but that utopia will be reached a lot sooner, if those striving for equality, stop seeing themselves as superior, no matter what has gone before"

I'd be interested in the vast swathes of women that you think believe themselves superior to men. Could you cite your sources for that one? Or is it just a resentful feeling that you harbor?

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

Men and women will never be equal, it is simply impossible. Society can try their hardest to make them equal, but it will always fail. If you consider men and women behaviour, they are are different because of hormones and so on, etc Testosterone. This have a big impact on their decision making through life, which builds their personalities. Men and women can be the same in distant future, if humanity will try to genetically modify men and women to be the same, hopefully it will never happen ( some feminists would like though)

Either way, in work environment, men have wider look on things, while women wants always to do all the smallest things to perfection. That is why women are good for lower roles to tie up all lose ends, while men control the overall company balance. Of course the biggest factor is that women have maternity leave. And it is not only the time they have children, but even few years before that. They want to have a reliable work place and they will not change work to seek a better position ,because it is too risky changing work places. Many things can go wrong and they want to be safe before having children and I don't even speak what reliability they want after having children.

Men on other hand can almost always risk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman"

So you quote 3 politicians, no example of women in business, a single person in a single sport and confuse advertising with media and that's your example of how women have the upper hand now? Seriously is that the strength of your argument?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Men and women will never be equal, it is simply impossible. Society can try their hardest to make them equal, but it will always fail. If you consider men and women behaviour, they are are different because of hormones and so on, etc Testosterone. This have a big impact on their decision making through life, which builds their personalities. Men and women can be the same in distant future, if humanity will try to genetically modify men and women to be the same, hopefully it will never happen ( some feminists would like though)

Men on other hand can almost always risk "

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd be interested in the vast swathes of women that you think believe themselves superior to men. Could you cite your sources for that one? Or is it just a resentful feeling that you harbor?"

I didn't say women, I included men and women in that statement, because I believe that some sections of society, both men and women need to change their thinking on what is an acceptable way to treat other human beings.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes..."

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd be interested in the vast swathes of women that you think believe themselves superior to men. Could you cite your sources for that one? Or is it just a resentful feeling that you harbor?

I certainly believe that to be true. Like suggesting that women have got the upper hand when they clearly haven't - that's not really an acceptable way to talk about the genders in my world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do "

Are you saying that men somehow have 'all the facts?'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means"

Can I quote you back at yourself?

"But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd be interested in the vast swathes of women that you think believe themselves superior to men. Could you cite your sources for that one? Or is it just a resentful feeling that you harbor?

I certainly believe that to be true. Like suggesting that women have got the upper hand when they clearly haven't - that's not really an acceptable way to talk about the genders in my world."

Once again I never said that women. Have the upper hand

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do

Are you saying that men somehow have 'all the facts?'"

You are some serious Feminazi case here. Where did I mention that men have these facts? it is scientifically proven by scientists , you know , both genders

You mentioned that they are stereotypes. But is saying that men and women bodies produce different amounts of hormones? It is a fact. Is it a stereotype that women have maternity leave due to giving birth to a child? it is a fact.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means

Can I quote you back at yourself?

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more"

"becoming a woman's world" is not the same as "women now have the upper hand"

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do "

Doesn't it depend what you mean by equal?

I don't think men and women are the same, they have different attributes on average, some nature, some nurture.

But isn't it equality of opportunity that is the key? True opportunity?

MrB

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do "

Feminists are aching for sexual equality, Does that make us crazy now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do

Are you saying that men somehow have 'all the facts?'

You are some serious Feminazi case here. Where did I mention that men have these facts? it is scientifically proven by scientists , you know , both genders

But it is not a fact that all men think a certain way and all women think a certain way.

In fact there are countless peer reviewed journal articles and books that prove exactly the opposite of that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The reason that men and women struggle to be equal is that people like yourself believe this kind of utter hogwash about gender stereotypes...

Dont talk nonsense that women and men are the same. only feminists believe that. We have all the facts that they don't and a few crazy feminists saying that they do

Doesn't it depend what you mean by equal?

I don't think men and women are the same, they have different attributes on average, some nature, some nurture.

But isn't it equality of opportunity that is the key? True opportunity?

MrB"

Equality of opportunity, that is the single most awesome thing that anyone has written on this whole thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means

Can I quote you back at yourself?

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

"becoming a woman's world" is not the same as "women now have the upper hand" "

Could you break down and explain exactly what you mean by 'becoming a woman's world' then please? Because I believe a few of us have misunderstood your intention behind those words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing."

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means

Can I quote you back at yourself?

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

"becoming a woman's world" is not the same as "women now have the upper hand"

Could you break down and explain exactly what you mean by 'becoming a woman's world' then please? Because I believe a few of us have misunderstood your intention behind those words."

I could, but I'm not going to

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By *edylogosMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

That's only because they are weak willed though

I think you'll find it's the pressure that society puts on them to provide! Male suicide rates are pretty constant however that's a conversation for another day

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

But it is not a fact that all men think a certain way and all women think a certain way.

In fact there are countless peer reviewed journal articles and books that prove exactly the opposite of that."

That is the thing Im saying, there will never be equality in this world. Between no one. The only time women and men may be equal, is right after they are born. Every act,decision or life choice after that will make that person different and stand out from each other, thus unequal ( and on this topic) there is just a bigger gap between men and women than for example comparing men to other men and women to other women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could, but I'm not going to"

Cool.

So basically - you can't.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

But it is not a fact that all men think a certain way and all women think a certain way.

In fact there are countless peer reviewed journal articles and books that prove exactly the opposite of that."

I don't agree with the poster you are arguing with. But I do believe as an average, over the whole of a particular sex, there are behavior attributes that are common.

Not all men hold all those same attributes and not all women hold the same ones either.

For example, I would say men are more naturally aggressive on many levels. This is a physiological symptom of testosterone. This plays out in many ways from violent crime, to general behavior under stress.

So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

Ah yes, but how many guys are genuine into that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But it is not a fact that all men think a certain way and all women think a certain way.

In fact there are countless peer reviewed journal articles and books that prove exactly the opposite of that.

I don't agree with the poster you are arguing with. But I do believe as an average, over the whole of a particular sex, there are behavior attributes that are common.

Not all men hold all those same attributes and not all women hold the same ones either.

So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal."

I never argued that women and men are identical - merely that not all women think the same way and not all men think the same way. There are huge varieties between different people, and to stereotype based on gender is simply wrong and ill-informed at best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

Ah yes, but how many guys are genuine into that?

Will you hold me afterwards?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that feminism has succeeded in its original mission, and that there was a point where men and women became truly equal throughout Western civilization.

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

I'd genuinely like to know what makes you think that men are now being oppressed by women?

I didn't say men are being oppressed by women, I'm saying that the modern world is tipping more in the favour of women

So in what way are men now unequal to women?.

Suicide, men are far more likely to commit suicide.... It must be women's fault, surely

That's only because they are weak willed though

I think you'll find it's the pressure that society puts on them to provide! Male suicide rates are pretty constant however that's a conversation for another day "

I think you'll find you perhaps misunderstood the context of my comment l

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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OK I'm squiffy so may come across as a tad more annoyed than usual. But really? Fucking really? Men have had the upper hand for 100s of years. They have had the power over women for so long they really don't have the first fucking clue what the fuck they're talking about.

A man goes out - they get dressed, they go out of the door. A woman goes out, they have to actually think what to wear, which route is the best to go to reduce the fact they'll be verbally harassed.

One minutes reading of this forum will show that men have not the first fucking idea how to talk to women. They think we're either ball-breakers or delicate princesses. We're fucking human beings, you unbelievable dweebs. We're the same as men. We have the same hearts, brains, muscles, whatever. Yet because we can arrange your DNA into another human we suddenly become witches. Because we take time off to breast feed we get preferential treatment? Not even mentioning that time off is taken away from us when we want to retire.

Men can't take women seriously for one fucking moment because we're that ditzy person who can't drive. Its embarrassing that we have to share a planet with people who cannot conceive that someone with tits might give them a run for their money.

Women have the upper hand? Don't make me fucking laugh.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

So that's makes us equal does it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're fucking human beings, you unbelievable dweebs."

I just did a little sex-wee. Marry me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

So that's makes us equal does it?"

I request a hard hat from the stores, and a bunker to hide in..... oh and a badge that says "please god, make that didn't happen" (can I have a running away emoji?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

Ah yes, but how many guys are genuine into that?

Will you hold me afterwards?

Me? I don't think you'd like that. But the Mrs would probably have you make her a cup of tea afterwards. Pegging is thirsty work.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"We're fucking human beings, you unbelievable dweebs.

I just did a little sex-wee. Marry me.

I'm not into women, but I've always fancied you, just a little bit.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

So that's makes us equal does it?

I request a hard hat from the stores, and a bunker to hide in..... oh and a badge that says "please god, make that didn't happen" (can I have a running away emoji?)"

I intend educate you when we meet. Hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

Ah yes, but how many guys are genuine into that?

Will you hold me afterwards?

Me? I don't think you'd like that. But the Mrs would probably have you make her a cup of tea afterwards. Pegging is thirsty work. "

I am an equal opportunities swinger, its all good (do you have a furry chest?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We're fucking human beings, you unbelievable dweebs.

I just did a little sex-wee. Marry me.

I'm not into women, but I've always fancied you, just a little bit."

It's ok, I'm not into marriage.

(Or babies, for the poster above who thinks that women want a stable job so that they can have babies.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

Ah yes, but how many guys are genuine into that?

Will you hold me afterwards?

Me? I don't think you'd like that. But the Mrs would probably have you make her a cup of tea afterwards. Pegging is thirsty work.

I am an equal opportunities swinger, its all good (do you have a furry chest?)"

Ignorance is bliss?

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal."

Wrong! I will give you one simple example. You are the manager of a company, you have 2 candidates for the role, Man and a Woman. They are both exactly the same( still impossible, but let's pretend). They have the exact same skills for that role. However , they are both 30 years old, still no kids, but living with their husband/wife. You need to choose between them. What do you choose? If you are a good manager, who can predict at least basic future problems, you will know that there is a huge chance that the woman will have children in the next few years and she will have to go for maternity leave, thus the company will need to find a replacement and so on. Lots of trouble. And in the end the man would have a lot less predictable negative effects for the company in the future

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you mean as in sexual equality?

No such thing.

I beg to differ, I have seen a pegging video

Ah yes, but how many guys are genuine into that?

Will you hold me afterwards?

Me? I don't think you'd like that. But the Mrs would probably have you make her a cup of tea afterwards. Pegging is thirsty work.

I am an equal opportunities swinger, its all good (do you have a furry chest?)"

No not really.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

It is against the law to not give the job to the best candidate if it happens to be a child-bearing age woman. Enjoy your employment tribunal.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I could, but I'm not going to

Cool.

So basically - you can't."

No, I'm saying I wont, very different to I cant.

You have an opinion, and there is nothing I can say that will change your opinion I could talk and talk till I'm blue in the face, but it still remains that I will never change your opinion of me, or what it is that I'm trying to say, so under those circumstances it is pointless me flogging a dead horse, and explaining myself in detail to someone I barely know, who's opinion of me or the subject matter, isn't going to change anyway, its futile, so ill make this statement.

As a society, we are in danger of losing sight of the meaning of equality, and making a mockery of the work of generations of feminists.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

I have been in that situation. I have discovered that a job was given to the candidate because I was of 'childbearing age'. I was actually asked in the interview what my plans for having children were, where I informed them that I was sterile. They informed the recruitment agency that they thought I was a liar and would leave soon to have children.

The problem is, that these people are proper fucking bigots who will find any reason not to employ women. To the point of asking them in interviews if they are planning to have children, soliciting intimate medical information, and then not believing them simply because they are women.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"We're fucking human beings, you unbelievable dweebs.

I just did a little sex-wee. Marry me.

I'm not into women, but I've always fancied you, just a little bit.

It's ok, I'm not into marriage.

(Or babies, for the poster above who thinks that women want a stable job so that they can have babies.)"

I loathe children apart from one. I never wanted kids, but was daft enough to think I would never have one.

Men who think we're either virginal or sluts must die inside finding out we're just as complex as them.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

It is against the law to not give the job to the best candidate if it happens to be a child-bearing age woman. Enjoy your employment tribunal."

so what? If the manager will say that out loud to have legal consequences. But who will? Stop living in the dream world

p.s. sorry to sound rude, but Im always get on fire having an intense discussion, maybe it is because Im a MAN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In business, most definately. In the bedroom? Not so much.

You do realise that would then be blatant discrimination against men, therefore not allowed

Aww, bless. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others...

Thanks dear...but i didn"t sneeze"

Well I'd just like to make it clear that I have no objection to women being on top!....

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"OK I'm squiffy so may come across as a tad more annoyed than usual. But really? Fucking really? Men have had the upper hand for 100s of years. They have had the power over women for so long they really don't have the first fucking clue what the fuck they're talking about.

A man goes out - they get dressed, they go out of the door. A woman goes out, they have to actually think what to wear, which route is the best to go to reduce the fact they'll be verbally harassed.

Women have the upper hand? Don't make me fucking laugh."

Well, a bit of squiffiness is there

Please also remember not all the men on this thread are on one side, and all the women on another. Some might stand out as pissing you off more admittedly.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

As the man is 30 and currently living with his wife, lets say 5 years, he is fast approaching the point where he will begin to cheat on his wife... eventually she will find out and he will become an alcoholic, he will be thrown out of the family home, and need to find somewhere else to live, he will take an unpredictable amount of time of work, due to waking up pissed, letch at the women in the office, eventually leading to a sexual harassment case which causes the company loss of reputation and loss of income (due to being sued), he will also be caught over the legal limit on a drive to work one morning and eventually you will need to fire him, probably ending up in an unfair dismissal case and being sued again....

..hypothetical? bit like "women make babies, mungo"

Have you heard of paternity leave?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I could, but I'm not going to

Cool.

So basically - you can't.

No, I'm saying I wont, very different to I cant.

As a society, we are in danger of losing sight of the meaning of equality, and making a mockery of the work of generations of feminists."

Actually I'm very interested in your ideas of where it's perceived that women are getting ahead of the game so that it's an area I can look at in my research. If women are getting ahead in some areas then it would be something I'd like to use as a counterpoint to everything being awful in my academic work.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's still a man's world overall. Looking at all countries, dictatorship type domination, religious control, money, general power and more. In the west the huge inequalities are largely presided over by men.

White males in the west are readily picked upon unfairly, with racist and sexist abuse now too.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

..hypothetical? bit like "women make babies, mungo"

Have you heard of paternity leave?"

Im talking about predictable chances, What is the chance that women will have children after 30?And what is the chance that your stuff happens?

Do you eve math, BRO?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you eve math, BRO? "

whut?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

..hypothetical? bit like "women make babies, mungo"

Have you heard of paternity leave?

Im talking about predictable chances, What is the chance that women will have children after 30?And what is the chance that your stuff happens?

Do you eve math, BRO? "

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

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So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

Yes and when the woman has kids she will expect to take time off to look after them instead of being totaly commited to her job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are no female athletes in the top 25 highest paid athletes in the world according to Forbes.

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That's coz there shit at it compared to men.

That's we divide men and women because a man would win 99.999% of the time

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I could, but I'm not going to

Cool.

So basically - you can't.

No, I'm saying I wont, very different to I cant.

As a society, we are in danger of losing sight of the meaning of equality, and making a mockery of the work of generations of feminists.

Google is your friend

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over a year ago

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?"

and 42% of marriages end in divorce... so it seems that my scenario is equally as likely, oh happy stat day!

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over a year ago

"Women only swimming at my leisure centre but no men only sessions... Sexist

That's only because men get carried away where long strokes are involved

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Yeah we do like the white water rapids

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over a year ago

I could, but I'm not going to

Cool.

So basically - you can't.

No, I'm saying I wont, very different to I cant.

As a society, we are in danger of losing sight of the meaning of equality, and making a mockery of the work of generations of feminists.

Google is your friend"

Give me a hint on the google search string that you used?

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

..hypothetical? bit like "women make babies, mungo"

Have you heard of paternity leave?

Im talking about predictable chances, What is the chance that women will have children after 30?And what is the chance that your stuff happens?

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?"

where did you get this info? You should know that not everything that is on the internet is true. Probably few months later some feminist will be quoting you, because she saw it on the internet

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB"
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Give over what?

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over a year ago

..hypothetical? bit like "women make babies, mungo"

Have you heard of paternity leave?

Im talking about predictable chances, What is the chance that women will have children after 30?And what is the chance that your stuff happens?

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?

where did you get this info? You should know that not everything that is on the internet is true. Probably few months later some feminist will be quoting you, because she saw it on the internet "

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

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over a year ago

..hypothetical? bit like "women make babies, mungo"

Have you heard of paternity leave?

Im talking about predictable chances, What is the chance that women will have children after 30?And what is the chance that your stuff happens?

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?

where did you get this info? You should know that not everything that is on the internet is true. Probably few months later some feminist will be quoting you, because she saw it on the internet "

worst mistake you can make in this life is underestimating someones intelligence and believing that your opinion is the ONLY opinion....... you don't allow discussion, you beat others into submission, and cry "foul" when they present you with something you don't like.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014."

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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So, 'the sexes' aren't the same IMO. That doesn't change the fact that opportunity should be equal.

It is against the law to not give the job to the best candidate if it happens to be a child-bearing age woman. Enjoy your employment tribunal.

so what? If the manager will say that out loud to have legal consequences. But who will? Stop living in the dream world

p.s. sorry to sound rude, but Im always get on fire having an intense discussion, maybe it is because Im a MAN"

You can be as intense as you like, but you are admitting that you would not give a job to the better candidate because she may have children. You are assuming that all women of child bearing age are desperate to have children. You are wrong.

This is the fucking problem. This, right here. Women are so stereotyped it makes me weep. We cannot possibly be working our way to a career because we must want kids. We're not allowed to progress because men think we are only good for having kids. You should be ashamed.

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over a year ago

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

Ah. You are one of these chaps that likes to wear tin foil hats, put coat-hangers on the ceiling, and believes that the government is just making random shit up in it's reports...

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?"

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?

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over a year ago

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

You DO KNOW that legally binding documents produced by government statistics departments are a matter of public record and are therefore put on the internet, don't you? You DO KNOW that many legitimate autonomous and neutral organisations gather those statistics and that they can be challenged within a countries supreme court and that a government can be summarily dismissed for falsifying such records (dissolving a parliament in this country for example)?

Shit when you don't like something it just "isn't true"

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over a year ago

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?"
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That stat is just nonsense.47.6% of women aged between 15 and 44 had never had children.... What! The hell does that mean

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

so what? If the manager will say that out loud to have legal consequences. But who will? Stop living in the dream world

p.s. sorry to sound rude, but Im always get on fire having an intense discussion, maybe it is because Im a MAN

Ha! I clearly mentioned that they have exact same skills. And you say that the woman would be better candidate? Are you so biased that you didnt even read my example?

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over a year ago

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?

and 42% of marriages end in divorce... so it seems that my scenario is equally as likely, oh happy stat day!"

Shit! So you have a 58% chance of you or your spouse dying? Fuck that sounds risky to me

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Before I make this question, let me pre-amble. I have a daughter who I want to have every opportunity in life. I have a wife who suffered from male prejudice in an all male working environment. So I know first hand what this means.

I also agree whole heartedly with equal opportunity.

So, hypothetical question: You said you are a freelancer. Let's say you have set up a small company and want to grow, by building a small team. You interview two women for the job. Both have equal ability and experience. One mentions she wants to have kids in the next few years. So, all things being equal, which gets the job? Would you be able to ignore the fact one might be more likely leave, when you are wanting them to step up?

I'm not condoning sexist behaviour or stereotyping or the treatment you received. I'm saying look at the position other people 'might' be in.

It's shit, I know it is, lots of people make decisions based on averages and guesswork.

PS I would add to that, some/many are bigotted and do behave as you describe.

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over a year ago

You do realise that's the same general line of thinking that would put women back into the be seen and not heard way of life which I would suggest would mean you couldnt actively take control of your sexual needs and go and look for fun ?

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?"
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No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

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over a year ago

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?

and 42% of marriages end in divorce... so it seems that my scenario is equally as likely, oh happy stat day!

Shit! So you have a 58% chance of you or your spouse dying? Fuck that sounds risky to me

Its why I got divorced, I was preemptively protecting my heart.... thats not true, I don't have a heart

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women"

Then do something about it. Like we had to.

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over a year ago

Sorry was resounding to second paragraph not the first.

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over a year ago

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?.

That stat is just nonsense.47.6% of women aged between 15 and 44 had never had children.... What! The hell does that mean"

It means that in 2014 a survey of women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the US was done and it was discovered that 47.6% of those women had never had children.

I would theorise that the rate would actually be higher in the UK (less than 50% of women in that age group in the UK have children - I would speculate) because of the vastly better access to contraception and abortions that we have in this country.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

so what? If the manager will say that out loud to have legal consequences. But who will? Stop living in the dream world

p.s. sorry to sound rude, but Im always get on fire having an intense discussion, maybe it is because Im a MAN

Ha! I clearly mentioned that they have exact same skills. And you say that the woman would be better candidate? Are you so biased that you didnt even read my example? "

So why did you make the example? You give the job to the person best able to do it, regardless of sex. Men are entitled to paternity leave these days. Does your hypothetical example take that into account?

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

Shit when you don't like something it just "isn't true""

And YOU DO know that this information maybe was taken out of context? You do know that this research might be made on a small number of particular group of women. Like you could see a little star on the bottom of the page * this research have been made on US women serving lifetime sentence in jail

Yeah, this might be the correct number for that particular group. But she is stating that this is for all women

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women"

You are trying to turn this into a men Vs women thread. The example of refuges is just bullshit. Men are more violent than women and thousands of women suffer physical abuse at the hands of men. Trying turn it on its' head is not on IMO

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?.

That stat is just nonsense.47.6% of women aged between 15 and 44 had never had children.... What! The hell does that mean

It means that in 2014 a survey of women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the US was done and it was discovered that 47.6% of those women had never had children.

It's fucking meaningless as well, I'm guessing there's a shit load of women that responded that could go on to have children... Like the 15-28 year old bracket?

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over a year ago

I also agree whole heartedly with equal opportunity.

I'm not condoning sexist behaviour or stereotyping or the treatment you received. I'm saying look at the position other people 'might' be in.

It's shit, I know it is, lots of people make decisions based on averages and guesswork.

PS I would add to that, some/many are bigotted and do behave as you describe."

I think it's actually a very difficult position. And it's certainly a problem that is absorbed more easily by large businesses than small ones.

Having said that, I hire several staff to work for me on a freelance basis (I'm a self employed freelancer) and I have personally never decided to give work to a man because a woman might have children. In fact a woman that did work for me for about three years had children in the middle, and they continued working for me right up until the day before delivery and started again three weeks later. She needed the money. So I kept giving her work.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?.

That stat is just nonsense.47.6% of women aged between 15 and 44 had never had children.... What! The hell does that mean

It means that in 2014 a survey of women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the US was done and it was discovered that 47.6% of those women had never had children.

But babies!

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over a year ago

Do you eve math, BRO?

Apparently...

"47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children"

So only about half of women nowdays have children. And I'd suggest that about half of women who do have children have them in their twenties.

DO YOU EVEN STAT CHECK BRO?.

That stat is just nonsense.47.6% of women aged between 15 and 44 had never had children.... What! The hell does that mean

It means that in 2014 a survey of women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the US was done and it was discovered that 47.6% of those women had never had children.

It's fucking meaningless as well, I'm guessing there's a shit load of women that responded that could go on to have children... Like the 15-28 year old bracket?"

I think you have not followed the discussion properly.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

I gave an example on opportunity that previous women mentioned. That there cannot be equal opportunity, even if there could be exactly equal man and woman at some point,they would still have different opportunities for their future

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over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means"

What dies equality mean then?

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

MrB"
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We're taking about victims here, there equally split but not equally represented?.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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Why can't there be equal opportunity? What's stopping men from caring for children?

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over a year ago

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

Shit when you don't like something it just "isn't true"

Yeah, this might be the correct number for that particular group. But she is stating that this is for all women "

It's collected from the Current Population Survey (CPS), a survey done every two years of 60,000 households that are selected by a are selected by a multistage stratified statistical sampling scheme.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

MrB.

We're taking about victims here, there equally split but not equally represented?."

Two woman a week die from domestic abuse. Are you saying two men a week die from domestic abuse?

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over a year ago

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

Shit when you don't like something it just "isn't true"

Yeah, this might be the correct number for that particular group. But she is stating that this is for all women "

Why are there more childless women today?

The end of childbearing years is considered to be age 45, and at this point we know how many women in a generation are childless. In recent years there has been an increase in women not having children at all. In 2012, around 1 in 5 women at the end of the childbearing years (born in 1967) in England and Wales had never had children, compared with their mother’s generation (born in 1940) where 1 in 9 never had children.

This rise in childlessness may be explained by a decline in women getting married, greater social acceptability of a childfree lifestyle, delaying having children until it’s biologically too late, or the perceived costs and benefits of childbearing versus work and leisure activities.

By their 30th birthday, almost half of women born in 1982 were childless. In contrast, less than a third of their mothers’ generation (born 1955) were childless by their 30th birthday, and just over a quarter of their grandmothers’ generation (born 1927) were childless by their 30th birthday. Their mothers’ and grandmothers' generations both had roughly the same number of children by their 30th birthday, 1.42 and 1.43 respectively. In contrast, the current generation had 1.02 children by their 30th birthday. These patterns can be seen in the infographic that accompanies this story.

The National Archives: The Office of National Statistics, United Kingdom as of this Date 16th December 2016

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

Then do something about it. Like we had to. "
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Who's "we" you mean the over represented male politicans actually did something for women! Shock horror

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

Why can't there be equal opportunity? What's stopping men from caring for children?"

Well first they cannot give birth to children.

But yeah they could take care of the children, even for longer time than women. But this is the way world spins!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

Then do something about it. Like we had to. .

Who's "we" you mean the over represented male politicans actually did something for women! Shock horror"

Not one politician, male or female, was behind setting up refuges from domestic abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

MrB.

We're taking about victims here, there equally split but not equally represented?.

Two woman a week die from domestic abuse. Are you saying two men a week die from domestic abuse?"
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Where did you read that fact?

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over a year ago

But this is the way world spins! "

But the point people are making is that it doesn't *have* to be this way. More and more men are choosing to look after the children while their partners go back to work as soon as possible.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Why can't there be equal opportunity? What's stopping men from caring for children?

Well first they cannot give birth to children.

But yeah they could take care of the children, even for longer time than women. But this is the way world spins! "

Yet you think as a woman I should be satisfied with that? Welcome to why some women are feminists. I took one month off work when I gave birth. I know men who have taken more time off for a stubbed toe.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

Shit when you don't like something it just "isn't true"

Yeah, this might be the correct number for that particular group. But she is stating that this is for all women

Why are there more childless women today?

The National Archives: The Office of National Statistics, United Kingdom as of this Date 16th December 2016"

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed, aren't you? Do you even see the numbers you gave us?

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

MrB.

We're taking about victims here, there equally split but not equally represented?.

Two woman a week die from domestic abuse. Are you saying two men a week die from domestic abuse?.

Where did you read that fact?

Office of National Statistics, 2015 – 1 woman killed every 3 days in England and Wales by a current or former partner .

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

Then do something about it. Like we had to. .

Who's "we" you mean the over represented male politicans actually did something for women! Shock horror

Not one politician, male or female, was behind setting up refuges from domestic abuse."
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Who funds them?

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over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

Then do something about it. Like we had to. .

Who's "we" you mean the over represented male politicans actually did something for women! Shock horror

Not one politician, male or female, was behind setting up refuges from domestic abuse..

Who funds them?"

Refuges are largely funded by charity IIRC.

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By *lsd199Man
over a year ago

London

Why can't there be equal opportunity? What's stopping men from caring for children?

Well first they cannot give birth to children.

But yeah they could take care of the children, even for longer time than women. But this is the way world spins!

No, I dont expect you to be satisfied, I never said that. I just said that women and men are not equal, they cannot be. You can be as angry as you want, it will not change

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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Why not?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

MrB.

We're taking about victims here, there equally split but not equally represented?."

"Metropolitan Police statistics show that male violence against women made up 85% of reported domestic violence incidents"

I don't know what you think you are achieving. You're alienating me, and I'm a man. It isn't addressing any real issue, apart from trying to propagate an 'us against them'.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Politics:

Angela merrkle

Hillary Clinton

Theresa may

All have reached high office, and some of the most successful business of our time have had or have women as the driving force behind them.

Media:

Is this the same media that portrays men as slightly dumpy oafs, who don't know how to clean, change nappies, use a washing machine, and almost dies when he gets "man flu.

And sport, highest paid fighter in ufc is a woman

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means

What dies equality mean then?"

As someone so brilliantly put it, equality of opportunity getting rid of preconceived ideas about what jobs and standards of education are available to men vs women.

Realising that a woman can be every bit as good an engineer as a man can be a nurse.

And maybe realise that not all women Want to be mothers, just like not all men are happy taking a back seat when it comes to being parents

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't know what you think you are achieving. You're alienating me, and I'm a man. It isn't addressing any real issue, apart from trying to propagate an 'us against them'."

I've noticed recently that on here its always us against them. It sucks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Please provide me with a peer reviewed statistic that you agree with, and cite it's source.

My figures are from U.S. Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey in 2014.

I will not even spend a second checking this nonsense. As i said, not everything that is on the internet is true

Shit when you don't like something it just "isn't true"

Yeah, this might be the correct number for that particular group. But she is stating that this is for all women

Why are there more childless women today?

The National Archives: The Office of National Statistics, United Kingdom as of this Date 16th December 2016

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed, aren't you? Do you even see the numbers you gave us? "

Yes I did, would you like me to explain them to you?

1 in 5 women BORN IN 1967 had not had children by the age of 45 that is 20%

Conversely

1 in 9 women born in 1940 had not had children by the age of 45 that is just over 11%

Current statistics state that full 1 in 2 women had not had children by the age of 30 that is 50%

Given the trend between generations to almost half it could be predicted (I know you are fond of predictions) that 1 in 2.5 women of this generation will not have had children by the age of 45 which would be equal to full, do I NEED to explain that percentage to you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women's refuges everywhere despite them not actually experiencing domestic violence any more than men do

Give over ffs

MrB.

Give over what?

Do you really think that domestically abused women should suffer because the status quo does not recognise domestically abused men? Is this some kind of competition?.

No but Then I didn't say that did I,i said men aren't fairly represented compared to women

MrB.

We're taking about victims here, there equally split but not equally represented?.

Two woman a week die from domestic abuse. Are you saying two men a week die from domestic abuse?.

Where did you read that fact?

Office of National Statistics, 2015 – 1 woman killed every 3 days in England and Wales by a current or former partner ."
.

I've gone to look, last year there were 126 female murders due to domestic violence and 30 male murders,47% of domestic violence reports were to males whereas 53% were female.

I stand by the fact that male victims are not equally represented

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Your thoughts?"

That the thread is ended by a man.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I've gone to look, last year there were 126 female murders due to domestic violence and 30 male murders,47% of domestic violence reports were to males whereas 53% were female."

So 4 times as many women as men die from domestic abuse, yet men are not equally represented because they choose not to report their abuse? Seriously?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I never said that women have the other hand, I'm saying that we are in danger of losing sight of what equality means

Can I quote you back at yourself?

But I cant help thinking that the scales have tipped past equality now, and its now becoming a woman's world more and more

"becoming a woman's world" is not the same as "women now have the upper hand"

Could you break down and explain exactly what you mean by 'becoming a woman's world' then please? Because I believe a few of us have misunderstood your intention behind those words.

I could, but I'm not going to"

I'll read that as can't. Your opening post is there fir all to see along with your subsequent denials of what you said

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By *limandtrim300Couple
over a year ago

Ely

Hmmm it seems there are many people in this thread on either side of the fence

are women equal to men....do they have equal opportunities?

men and women are different.....end of story

do they have equal opportunities....well opportunities are created or sought out by the individual they are not handed out on a silver platter, they are there for those that truely want them

i am a woman, i earn well over the national average, i have two teenage kids and i manage over 60 people in what has always been considered a male dominated field

i don't feel that women have a harder time in the work place and i don't feel that having had kids has held me back. I made the choices the were right for me and i have ended up exactly where i wanted to be

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Hmmm it seems there are many people in this thread on either side of the fence

are women equal to men....do they have equal opportunities?

men and women are different.....end of story

do they have equal opportunities....well opportunities are created or sought out by the individual they are not handed out on a silver platter, they are there for those that truely want them

i am a woman, i earn well over the national average, i have two teenage kids and i manage over 60 people in what has always been considered a male dominated field

That's great. Not all women are as lucky as you, and not all men appreciate that.

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