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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment..... "

Bring back hanging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

shoot em and be done with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it depends on the nature of their crimes and their state of mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

"

But in this case they are not naughty children...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging "

Yes definitely

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By *onygirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Huntingdon


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

"

Agreed. Rehabilitation is the real need here. Though there will always be some repeat offenders who will never learn. A different system should be in place for people like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have worked in a prison.

Prisoners are each individuals but it's easy to tell those who are genuinely sorry for what they have done, and those who just take a sentence as an extended holiday.

To my mind prison is a mere inconvenience nowadays with prisoners having more rights than even the officers.

Mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'I can see human but no humanity'

Jason Donohue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There was a piece on R4 last week about very high rehabilitation rates in Holland *mostly* due to basing it case-by-case on the individual rather than a one size fits all approach and it seemed to work well.

I don't believe they should be luxurious places though by any means, not only because they did something illegal but to keep costs at base level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

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The glass house has a much better re ofending rate that's for sure

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment..... "

Did you buy the EyeSpy Book of Morons recently? Are you in a hurry to tick a bunch off?

'Cos that's what'll 'appen.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

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The glass house has a much better re ofending rate that's for sure"

You been in the glass house then?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Did you buy the EyeSpy Book of Morons recently? Are you in a hurry to tick a bunch off?

'Cos that's what'll 'appen.

"

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at there Joe.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it could be argued horses for courses in terms of rehabilitation, each offender will have a certain driver for not re-offending. But I do think prisoners should be made to work harder in prison, I know someone that came out of prison fatter than he went in as he ate so many biscuits on an evening and that's wrong on several levels

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Did you buy the EyeSpy Book of Morons recently? Are you in a hurry to tick a bunch off?

'Cos that's what'll 'appen.

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at there Joe.....

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*Tick, tick, tick*

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Did you buy the EyeSpy Book of Morons recently? Are you in a hurry to tick a bunch off?

'Cos that's what'll 'appen.

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at there Joe.....

*Tick, tick, tick*

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You need a louder tick mate....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

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The glass house has a much better re ofending rate that's for sure"
i wouldnt know having never been.

Its not really for criminals. If a soldier breaks the law they go to a normal prison. Its more for awol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

Agreed. Rehabilitation is the real need here. Though there will always be some repeat offenders who will never learn. A different system should be in place for people like that."

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By *eryCuriousCouple2012Couple
over a year ago

Funville


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment..... "

They should be concerned with rehabilitation for crimes that don't impact on a persons life do a life-altering extent; theft, motoring offences etc.

Crimes such as murder where there is rigorous evidence absolutely proving beyond a doubt their malice and guilt should be punished by reciprocation.

Rapists should be chemically castrated and medicated to not only remove the ability but also the desire to inflict themselves on vulnerable people.

For repeat violent offenders, why not put that to good use in a Hunger Games style gladiator pit where the victor gets to do it all over again?

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Birmingham is a G4s prison formerly known as Winson Green. Fred West hung himself there aamoi.

Privately run prisons are an abomination as are most public services that are handed over to the private sector.

Some things should not be about profit and loss.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

They should be concerned with rehabilitation for crimes that don't impact on a persons life do a life-altering extent; theft, motoring offences etc.

Crimes such as murder where there is rigorous evidence absolutely proving beyond a doubt their malice and guilt should be punished by reciprocation.

Rapists should be chemically castrated and medicated to not only remove the ability but also the desire to inflict themselves on vulnerable people.

For repeat violent offenders, why not put that to good use in a Hunger Games style gladiator pit where the victor gets to do it all over again?

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Where do you include permanently maiming or causing death by d*unk driving/driving with due care and attention ,,,, Would that be a motoring offence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I guess it depends on the nature of their crimes and their state of mind."

I agree with this. But then a society really needs to decide what the teleology of its criminal justice philosophy is before they can decide how their prisons should be run.

Are we seeking retribution? Vengeance? Rehabilitation? Something else entirely? We won't agree as a society what course of action we are going to take until we are honest with ourselves about the goals we want to achieve.

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By *eryCuriousCouple2012Couple
over a year ago

Funville


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

They should be concerned with rehabilitation for crimes that don't impact on a persons life do a life-altering extent; theft, motoring offences etc.

Crimes such as murder where there is rigorous evidence absolutely proving beyond a doubt their malice and guilt should be punished by reciprocation.

Rapists should be chemically castrated and medicated to not only remove the ability but also the desire to inflict themselves on vulnerable people.

For repeat violent offenders, why not put that to good use in a Hunger Games style gladiator pit where the victor gets to do it all over again?

Where do you include permanently maiming or causing death by d*unk driving/driving with due care and attention ,,,, Would that be a motoring offence? "

That's a good question! Nope, that would be murder...just unplanned specifically. As soon as someone drives over the limit, they know the risks of seriously altering someone else's life either through injury or death. Life imprisonment for those who do, not state sanctioned murder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

.

The glass house has a much better re ofending rate that's for sure

You been in the glass house then?

"
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I broke out.... There not rehabilitating me

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Apparently the prison population of England and Wales is approximately 80'000 with a cost to the taxpayer where each new prison place costs £119,000 and that the annual average cost for each prisoner exceeds £40,000.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"'I can see human but no humanity'

Jason Donohue"

'Too many broken hearts in the world'

Jason Donovan

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"'I can see human but no humanity'

Jason Donohue

'Too many broken hearts in the world'

Jason Donovan "

Nice mustachio

Jason King....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

"

They are not children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging "

Why??

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

I agree prisoners aren't children.

However, the process of rehabilitation remains the same. Many prisoners had shit lives as kids, many have never had positive role models or praise. And the difference that can make is phenomenonal.

Prisons are not fun environments. You don't have a first day induction and get your brand new playstation, Sky TV and unlimited gym pass or even a TV. You have to work for it.

Our prison system does not work. Neither does America which has way tougher penalties then we do. The answer is not in making prison harder or the death sentence.

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By *bjones1000Man
over a year ago

exeter

I believe that the opinions of "its not their fault" is disgusting, had a hard upbringing so therefore we should be lenient, what shite, people know what's legally\morally right or wrong, yet make their own choices. Violent and sickening criminals dont need rehabilitation, they need to fear the consequences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

"

This.

Prison doesn't seem like a deterrent when you hear of people wanting to go back inside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

G4S there a surprise a private company in it to make a profit, so that cuts down the amount of money for officers facilities ect

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

The punishment is the deprivation of liberty. The time they are in prison should be spent making sure they don't reoffend when released.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe


"G4S there a surprise a private company in it to make a profit, so that cuts down the amount of money for officers facilities ect "

Definitely looking forward to reading the report after the investigation into this.

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By *imited 3EditionCouple
over a year ago

Live in Scotland Play in England

I don't think they need to be a harsh environment but prisons certainly should not be rewarding the offender. Prisons should deliver some service which offenders are the workforce of. Make them not the taxpayer pay for their keep.

As a country we generate too much waste but don't have enough facilities to increase recycling. I say turn these places into massive recycling facilities. Who knows, the act of helping the environment might do a lot for their self esteem and sense of goodwill towards planet and people.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

Why??"

simplistic knee jerk requires little thought immoral _iew?

and hey whats an innocent life taken by the state cos it wont be 'one of mine'..

waiting for some testosterone based post about 'i would be the hangman/cut their balls off/gouge their eyes out' if the pc brigade would only stop ruining this country..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bit of a insider _iew ./in my younger years came very close a fare few times by grace a some thing I avoided it n turned my own life around n learnt to live right side of things hard when you come from a organized back ground n family for n five gens deep. Not petty stuff family trade was gentlemans clubs ip till early 90s n bit in n export....As you can imagine I know a lot a people from many different out posts off life in the criminal world kik any where you have tiers n different moral codes ..thrse days a lot a that has gone hence the shit we see every day in society....i know people that are down right dangerous and agree they are never going a change so people like that go in to need very hard lines n rules n people to keep them in check ...but putting petty criminals in the same environment as hardened types is not doing any one no favors some not all just need to be shown n helped a bit to start living ok again yes theres the ones that are hell bent on going deeper n making a name for there self's but that should be down to powers at be n monitoring n back ground checks to see what people fall in to that category....and as far as sex offenders go any thing to do with children death pen no ifs or ahs they ruined a childs life.. rapists first strike 10years as there is cases that are grey second there is no doubt by then so death penalties ...oap bashers min 10 years no good behavior if they do it again yes you guessed one in the head ...i could go on this may sound harsh but this country gives you long sentences for banks n commercial jobs frauds n so on and lets the real scum off with fuck all ....and what used to keep some of it at bay cant happen any more as people higher up chain dont get dirty n put things right as used to happen as police come down hard as hell as it shows them up for not dealing with the cunts I am going stop here but could go n list personal experiences but not place basicly our criminal justice system is a joke and I know many a person who a say that it should ten times harder and some a them are in there ..its just not a deterrent no more you literally can kill some one and be back on street I 3\5 manslaughter or couple on diminshed n time in loony bin fucking joke

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

They would be getting no diner tonight if I was in charge....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

They would be getting no diner tonight if I was in charge....

Fuk autocarrot

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"They arnt children though they are grown ups with a choice. They know what they are doing is illegal.

No prisons should be a harsh vile place where the inmates wont want to retyrn to..

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The glass house has a much better re ofending rate that's for sure"

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it all depends on the nature of the crime doesn't it?

I'm very much a liberal who believes all crime is really societies fault and there is good that can be rehabilitated into everyone and anyone who says otherwise is jolly well a nasty old right wing bigot, so I say send them on a safari and journey of self discovery for minor crimes and then a sliding scale right through to slap on the wrists and 'you're a very naughty boy!' in a stern voice and disapproving look for the more heinous crimes out there. That'll solve everything and all societies ills - one minute on the naughty step for every year of their life when they're naughty

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you."

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I guess it all depends on the nature of the crime doesn't it?

I'm very much a liberal who believes all crime is really societies fault and there is good that can be rehabilitated into everyone and anyone who says otherwise is jolly well a nasty old right wing bigot, so I say send them on a safari and journey of self discovery for minor crimes and then a sliding scale right through to slap on the wrists and 'you're a very naughty boy!' in a stern voice and disapproving look for the more heinous crimes out there. That'll solve everything and all societies ills - one minute on the naughty step for every year of their life when they're naughty "

There is a story in the news of a mother feeding her daughter drugs to quieten her as she thought of the child as an inconvience in her relationship with a man

Why is that society's fault and not them being evil cunts to a poor little girl. She died

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?"

That's totally irrelevant to this discussion. My post was about why those in military prison re-offend less than those in civilian prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I guess it all depends on the nature of the crime doesn't it?

I'm very much a liberal who believes all crime is really societies fault and there is good that can be rehabilitated into everyone and anyone who says otherwise is jolly well a nasty old right wing bigot, so I say send them on a safari and journey of self discovery for minor crimes and then a sliding scale right through to slap on the wrists and 'you're a very naughty boy!' in a stern voice and disapproving look for the more heinous crimes out there. That'll solve everything and all societies ills - one minute on the naughty step for every year of their life when they're naughty

There is a story in the news of a mother feeding her daughter drugs to quieten her as she thought of the child as an inconvience in her relationship with a man

Why is that society's fault and not them being evil cunts to a poor little girl. She died "
pmsl do you remember the safari boy from years back all over the papers just a fyi he's my step brothers half brother lol he's a right cunt still in n out now in his 30s didn't do fuck all good for him except make him a name at a young age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

Agreed. Rehabilitation is the real need here. Though there will always be some repeat offenders who will never learn. A different system should be in place for people like that."

Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases. It should be an environment people do not want to return to. Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?"

Lots. Job Club provided by the government, free training for CSCS cards, free basic numeracy and literacy. The same as there is for someone who has been in prison. But you have 2 identical candidates in front of you, 1 an ex con 1 not. Which one you going to employ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think compared to other countries, prison here is like a holiday camp

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases. It should be an environment people do not want to return to. Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway."

No.

Prison is there to keep the public safe but also to reform the inmates. On paper.

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"Repeat offenders who'll never learn"/"Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway." - What you have is a system that creates a revolving door with individuals contained for a period and then set up to fail once released without accommodation, means or contacts not to re-offend. Where Probation, housing services, social services and mental health services have been decimated.

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"Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases." - prisons are the subject of deeper cuts than the rest of government. As a prison governor you have to choose between keeping people safe and orderly, keeping the lights on, keeping people fed... and then there's the course things that people do while locked up... is that important when I've got to find another 5% off the budget this year?

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" It should be an environment people do not want to return to." - have you ever been inside a prison? I've been to loads, in foreign countries and across the UK. They are not nice places. They are nasty, dank, underfunded, rife with drugs, dangerous for staff and prisoners. Go to one. See for yourself. Dare ya.

If you think it a good idea to, I dunno, recreate a Victorian workhouse... I don't know what you'd do...

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The reality is you could send a boy to Eaton for a year or put a man up in the Savoy for a year and it would cost LESS than keeping one person in prison.

And you'd think for that amount of money we (it's public money) spend that we'd get better outcomes.

We lock up MORE people in the UK than any other European country except Russia.

It doesn't make people safer.

The simple fact of the matter is that the vast, vast majority of people who are locked up will, at some point, be released again.

And if you want people to not re-offend it's really basic nuts and bolts stuff inside and outside the prison gate - housing, benefits, employment, family contacts, hand holding - that keeps people straight.

Not perpetually locking them up.

imo

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Britain's prisons are facing a major crisis.

Underfunded, overcrowded, with staff suffering from low morale, one prison officer gives his anonymous account of life in a high-security prison

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prison-officer-reveals-shocking-inside-8072100

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3029089/Terrible-food-scratchy-tracksuits-paranoid-girlfriend-everybody-hooked-heroin-ex-convict-reveals-s-REALLY-like-spend-year-prison.html

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

What is life like inside prison?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34924634

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/30/life-inside-its-not-all-playstations-and-luxury-5127214/

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Lock ''em up!

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Hanging is too good for these people, it is a good smack on the arse they need.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Hanging is too good for these people, it is a good smack on the arse they need."

You're confusing those languishing at Her Majesty's pleasure and those tied up in your personal dungeon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at the statistics, the countries with the harshest judicial systems. They have the worst reoffending rate! Rehabilitation is the way forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases. It should be an environment people do not want to return to. Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway.

No.

Prison is there to keep the public safe but also to reform the inmates. On paper.

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"Repeat offenders who'll never learn"/"Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway." - What you have is a system that creates a revolving door with individuals contained for a period and then set up to fail once released without accommodation, means or contacts not to re-offend. Where Probation, housing services, social services and mental health services have been decimated.

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"Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases." - prisons are the subject of deeper cuts than the rest of government. As a prison governor you have to choose between keeping people safe and orderly, keeping the lights on, keeping people fed... and then there's the course things that people do while locked up... is that important when I've got to find another 5% off the budget this year?

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" It should be an environment people do not want to return to." - have you ever been inside a prison? I've been to loads, in foreign countries and across the UK. They are not nice places. They are nasty, dank, underfunded, rife with drugs, dangerous for staff and prisoners. Go to one. See for yourself. Dare ya.

If you think it a good idea to, I dunno, recreate a Victorian workhouse... I don't know what you'd do...

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The reality is you could send a boy to Eaton for a year or put a man up in the Savoy for a year and it would cost LESS than keeping one person in prison.

And you'd think for that amount of money we (it's public money) spend that we'd get better outcomes.

We lock up MORE people in the UK than any other European country except Russia.

It doesn't make people safer.

The simple fact of the matter is that the vast, vast majority of people who are locked up will, at some point, be released again.

And if you want people to not re-offend it's really basic nuts and bolts stuff inside and outside the prison gate - housing, benefits, employment, family contacts, hand holding - that keeps people straight.

Not perpetually locking them up.

imo"

Been inside Gloucester, Pucklechurch, Leyhill, Horfield, Broadmoor and a couple of others. I also know multiple repeat offenders who get rehabilitated every time they go inside . Even many of them joke that sometimes they go in for a rest, especially in winter or if they get kicked out of home.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases. It should be an environment people do not want to return to. Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway.

No.

Prison is there to keep the public safe but also to reform the inmates. On paper.

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"Repeat offenders who'll never learn"/"Those genuinely willing to reform will do so anyway." - What you have is a system that creates a revolving door with individuals contained for a period and then set up to fail once released without accommodation, means or contacts not to re-offend. Where Probation, housing services, social services and mental health services have been decimated.

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"Prison has been about rehabilitation for years. It doesn't work in the majority of cases." - prisons are the subject of deeper cuts than the rest of government. As a prison governor you have to choose between keeping people safe and orderly, keeping the lights on, keeping people fed... and then there's the course things that people do while locked up... is that important when I've got to find another 5% off the budget this year?

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" It should be an environment people do not want to return to." - have you ever been inside a prison? I've been to loads, in foreign countries and across the UK. They are not nice places. They are nasty, dank, underfunded, rife with drugs, dangerous for staff and prisoners. Go to one. See for yourself. Dare ya.

If you think it a good idea to, I dunno, recreate a Victorian workhouse... I don't know what you'd do...

.

The reality is you could send a boy to Eaton for a year or put a man up in the Savoy for a year and it would cost LESS than keeping one person in prison.

And you'd think for that amount of money we (it's public money) spend that we'd get better outcomes.

We lock up MORE people in the UK than any other European country except Russia.

It doesn't make people safer.

The simple fact of the matter is that the vast, vast majority of people who are locked up will, at some point, be released again.

And if you want people to not re-offend it's really basic nuts and bolts stuff inside and outside the prison gate - housing, benefits, employment, family contacts, hand holding - that keeps people straight.

Not perpetually locking them up.

imo

Been inside Gloucester, Pucklechurch, Leyhill, Horfield, Broadmoor and a couple of others. I also know multiple repeat offenders who get rehabilitated every time they go inside . Even many of them joke that sometimes they go in for a rest, especially in winter or if they get kicked out of home."

So?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
over a year ago

Kent


"I think compared to other countries, prison here is like a holiday camp "

Apparently people are queueing up to get in, with a 75% reoffending rate it seems a popular destination/failure depending on your _iewpoint

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

People are calling for harsher sentences so more get locked up. People realise the true cost of this so they blame the government. The government try to rehabilitate people not come back but there is little on going support outside.

Prisons are far from holiday camps. You don't get free play stations and luxurious dinners. People need to stop reading bull shit news stories. The fact that some people feel safer inside that out is actually more of a reflection on society than prisons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Britain's prisons are facing a major crisis.

Underfunded, overcrowded, with staff suffering from low morale, one prison officer gives his anonymous account of life in a high-security prison

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prison-officer-reveals-shocking-inside-8072100"
was recently talking talking with a family liasons officer and they have had to cut their family visits because of lack of funding... they have had to cut everything and while talking she said that over half her charges were currently facing lock down way over what they should be as simply they dont have the staff to let the prisoners out as much as they should be.

Prisoner suicide is on the way up... and anyone that thinks its a holiday camp reads far to much crap.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just to add a perspective of balance to the discussion .....

Surely the world is not a holiday camp for the victims of crime...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Just to add a perspective of balance to the discussion .....

Surely the world is not a holiday camp for the victims of crime... "

No one has said it is but your discussion was not about the victims of crime it was about the punishment of prisoners. No one has said they want prison to be a holiday camp, simply pointed out it actually is far from one.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Privately run prisons !!!

I have images of a dystopian type hell.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

Anyone who has ever been locked in a room against their will would never call any prison a holiday camp

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

They certainly are far from a holiday camp

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

Gran Canaria

Could you imprison someone at home for cheaper?

For nonviolent types I'm thinking at £30000 a throw. I could house 3 prisoners.

They could have 2 hours out of their cells, no mass market to sell drugs and a higher staffing ratio.

May sound mad but are prisons too big?

Could local smaller detention be cheaper and more effective?

I also think corporal justice has been undermined. If someone steals your phone do you really want a 3month suspended sentence or do you want some restoration and then rehab?

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Many people who are in prison shouldn't be there. They have drug and mental health issues but there are no resources to handle them.

Liz Truss, has just come out with.

"HMP Birmingham prison rioters will face the full force of the law"

presumeably she's going to improve things by putting them in prison again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?"

Exactly..... when i left the army i had a short spell unemployed so i asked the job centre to put me through a course. I had already been told by a company that if they did id have a garanteed job.... the reply was "have you just been released from prison" to which of course i replied of course not i am not a scum bag criminal. The reply was oh sorry we cant help you then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

Because the people in MCTC havt broken cival law only millitary law. Otherwise they would be in a normal prison. And probably because if they kicked of un MCTC they would get filled in and i imagime its not a very pleasant place. Unlike prisons where they are treated like gods not the low lifes they are

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?

That's totally irrelevant to this discussion. My post was about why those in military prison re-offend less than those in civilian prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They certainly are far from a holiday camp "

Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight is close to several holiday camps

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

Gran Canaria


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?

Exactly..... when i left the army i had a short spell unemployed so i asked the job centre to put me through a course. I had already been told by a company that if they did id have a garanteed job.... the reply was "have you just been released from prison" to which of course i replied of course not i am not a scum bag criminal. The reply was oh sorry we cant help you then"

To change topic here but I do find it annoying that some companies just refuse to train their own people and leave it to society to do this.

The company should offer the training, they should pay the money, to be charged to the individual if they do not complete it. Rather than tell people to get trained by someone else for our advantage.

I know some companies do this and they will train people, but those people need to stay with the company for x amount of time so the investment is not lost.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just to add a perspective of balance to the discussion .....

Surely the world is not a holiday camp for the victims of crime...

No one has said it is but your discussion was not about the victims of crime it was about the punishment of prisoners. No one has said they want prison to be a holiday camp, simply pointed out it actually is far from one. "

Yeah but here's the thing about Sox....

I'm not overly precious about protecting what I post

Therefore whenever I instigate threads of any topic, I have no objection to anyone including myself introducing a tangential aspect intended as nothing more sinister than evolving the process of enthusiastic stimulating thought exchange....

I hope that helps explain the motive behind my intention...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?

Exactly..... when i left the army i had a short spell unemployed so i asked the job centre to put me through a course. I had already been told by a company that if they did id have a garanteed job.... the reply was "have you just been released from prison" to which of course i replied of course not i am not a scum bag criminal. The reply was oh sorry we cant help you then"

Did you have the means to do the course yourself? When I was made redundant I didn't ask the job centre to upskill me, I looked for things I could do to improve my cv.

I thought the army traunrd people before they left so that they could have transferable skills?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Just to add a perspective of balance to the discussion .....

Surely the world is not a holiday camp for the victims of crime...

No one has said it is but your discussion was not about the victims of crime it was about the punishment of prisoners. No one has said they want prison to be a holiday camp, simply pointed out it actually is far from one.

Yeah but here's the thing about Sox....

I'm not overly precious about protecting what I post

Therefore whenever I instigate threads of any topic, I have no objection to anyone including myself introducing a tangential aspect intended as nothing more sinister than evolving the process of enthusiastic stimulating thought exchange....

I hope that helps explain the motive behind my intention... "

I understood the motive behind your intention well enough thanks.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I would just like to add that many of my friends and colleagues spent the night regaining control of that prison and I am glad they they are now safe and well.

Prison officers are very much the forgotten element of law enforcement. Often dealing with dangerous and unstable individuals daily. They have to look after the elements of society that the majority of us would like to forget exist.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"'I can see human but no humanity'

Jason Donohue"

The bloke from neighbours ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Just to add a perspective of balance to the discussion .....

Surely the world is not a holiday camp for the victims of crime...

No one has said it is but your discussion was not about the victims of crime it was about the punishment of prisoners. No one has said they want prison to be a holiday camp, simply pointed out it actually is far from one.

Yeah but here's the thing about Sox....

I'm not overly precious about protecting what I post

Therefore whenever I instigate threads of any topic, I have no objection to anyone including myself introducing a tangential aspect intended as nothing more sinister than evolving the process of enthusiastic stimulating thought exchange....

I hope that helps explain the motive behind my intention...

I understood the motive behind your intention well enough thanks. "

Good because my motive for starting threads is not about me trying to tell other people what to think....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I have worked in a prison.

Prisoners are each individuals but it's easy to tell those who are genuinely sorry for what they have done, and those who just take a sentence as an extended holiday.

To my mind prison is a mere inconvenience nowadays with prisoners having more rights than even the officers.

Mr

"

This is a point which interested me. It seems to say that what we want from prisoners is contrition , regret, conscience, remorse, reform.

Am I misunderstanding that the punishment given to them is the taking away of their liberty ? To extract them from society for a period of time ?

Why then, do we expect them to be 'sorry'.

Break the rules = Loss of liberty.

Penalty paid.

Society needs reform before prisons. Prisons would be obsolete in a fair society.

Prisoners are also human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big quarry, big rocks, hammer, swing swing swing for 8 hours everyday Monday to Friday, on Saturday and Sunday you can do rehabilitation courses

1 you'll be to fucked to riot.

2 you wouldn't need a gym in the prison.

3 you really wouldn't want to go back.

4 mot 1 would come down in price

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"T

Yes because you come out the glasshouse into a stable job with a structured life and something to live for.

Unlike prison where you are out on your ear with nothing to support you.

What support is there for the equivalent person who hasn't been in prison, but is unemployed?

Exactly..... when i left the army i had a short spell unemployed so i asked the job centre to put me through a course. I had already been told by a company that if they did id have a garanteed job.... the reply was "have you just been released from prison" to which of course i replied of course not i am not a scum bag criminal. The reply was oh sorry we cant help you then"

did you not do a resettlement course before you left?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very good friend of mine was in the UK working with HMP services for a good few years, originally a former head warden from Arizona state pen was shocked at the "leniency" shown to prison inmates.

His rundown of a working day within his former prison comprised of 21 hour lockdown, 8x12 cell, sink, toilet.

1 hour exercise split into 2 sessions, 90 minutes mealtime, broken up over 3 sittings a day.

30 minutes "admin" to collect rubbish and laundry.24 hours!

His response to our "maximum security" prison was that they were so much of a home from home even HE could take time out to "stay a spell"

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Some prison cells don't even have a toilet. Slopping out daily at outing officers at risk of 'potting'. It's not a job I'm on a rush to sign up for

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

You cannot have prisons that are run in complete contrast to the nation/society that they are located.

In civilised countries you will have 'civilised' prisons and vice versa.

UK is reputed to be a leader in human rights, we don't kill, abuse, discriminate or torture offenders.

What we do badly is equate criminal justice with profit and loss hence 'Super-prisons' with populations of +-2000 and plans for more to replace the old victorian style.

Prisoners are often heard to say "We are here as a punishment, not to be punished"

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London

As a person who has stayed in Her Majisties hotels a cpl of times 30 years ago they were a very different place to what they are today, time is easy to do now. The whole prison service should be run very different as all prisoners are very different, 1st time offenders should be help asmuch as poss cus that's the make or break after that serve hard time and ALL time not the very early release you get on every sentence... also private firms are useless at running prisons especially winson green or Birmingham prison as it's on the news at mo, the screws are pathetic and useless,

Right or wrong years ago there was a grudging respect cus if you did wrong you'd get a smack, prison officers now would soon grass each other up if that was to happen and everyone knows it, jails are now like poorly run schools

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London


"They certainly are far from a holiday camp "

I suggest you HAVNT been in one then cus to be frankly honest they really arnt much different nowadays

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"They certainly are far from a holiday camp

I suggest you HAVNT been in one then cus to be frankly honest they really arnt much different nowadays "

They Fucking are!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I'd like to know what holiday camps people are going to cos there is no Fucking way I want to go to them

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London


"I'd like to know what holiday camps people are going to cos there is no Fucking way I want to go to them "

U ever been to jail?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I'd like to know what holiday camps people are going to cos there is no Fucking way I want to go to them

U ever been to jail?"

Frequently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd like to know what holiday camps people are going to cos there is no Fucking way I want to go to them

U ever been to jail?

Frequently"

I thought I recognised you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They certainly are far from a holiday camp

I suggest you HAVNT been in one then cus to be frankly honest they really arnt much different nowadays "
what holiday camps are you going to...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'd like to know what holiday camps people are going to cos there is no Fucking way I want to go to them

U ever been to jail?"

Yep

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

"

They are locking up children in adult prisons?

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London


"They certainly are far from a holiday camp

I suggest you HAVNT been in one then cus to be frankly honest they really arnt much different nowadays what holiday camps are you going to... "

Considering where a lot of the lads come from yeh they are holiday camps, or do you think many will take a short sentence over community service because jail is so bad eh?

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By *hingford manMan
over a year ago

highams park East London


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

They are locking up children in adult prisons? "

Children go to younge offenders, adults go to prison

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Apparently some companies can be offered government subsidies to employ ex-prisoners....

A recent proposal suggests removing the tick box from job application forms that requires applicants to declare any criminal record

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"They certainly are far from a holiday camp

I suggest you HAVNT been in one then cus to be frankly honest they really arnt much different nowadays what holiday camps are you going to...

Considering where a lot of the lads come from yeh they are holiday camps, or do you think many will take a short sentence over community service because jail is so bad eh?"

They go back because they can't cope with the lack of regime on their own. Outside they have too much time to so their own thing and don't know what to do with it. They would rather be banged up for hour upon hour each day, share showers with dozens of other guys, in some cases shit in a bucket in theor cell because they don't have in cell toilets, eat meals that cost less than £2 a head to make, be made to take illegal highs to pay debts, and many other unimaginable things than be alone outside.

Still doesn't sound much like any holiday camp I want to go to any time soon.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Apparently some companies can be offered government subsidies to employ ex-prisoners....

A recent proposal suggests removing the tick box from job application forms that requires applicants to declare any criminal record "

I do think more should be done to help carry on the rehabilitation culture from prisons. What is the point in having an emphasis on rehabilitation inside if it means nothing outside?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Apparently some companies can be offered government subsidies to employ ex-prisoners....

A recent proposal suggests removing the tick box from job application forms that requires applicants to declare any criminal record

I do think more should be done to help carry on the rehabilitation culture from prisons. What is the point in having an emphasis on rehabilitation inside if it means nothing outside? "

Tell it to the Justice secretary, not a bunch of perverts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great discussion about this on LBC about this at the moment.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The Prison Estate has become larger and larger but we are unwilling to spend the money needed to adequately ensure the safety of staff or prisoners.

Hence riots like Birmingham and the 'revolving door' that sets people up to fail once they've left.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Apparently some companies can be offered government subsidies to employ ex-prisoners....

A recent proposal suggests removing the tick box from job application forms that requires applicants to declare any criminal record

I do think more should be done to help carry on the rehabilitation culture from prisons. What is the point in having an emphasis on rehabilitation inside if it means nothing outside?

Tell it to the Justice secretary, not a bunch of perverts."

She may well be on here.... Who know

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

They are locking up children in adult prisons?

Children go to younge offenders, adults go to prison "

In that case, these adults would know better when committing crimes. Put them in cells and give them bread and water. No need for any cruel and unusual punshiments but no need to give them access to television, internet, entertainment, etc. They have not been sent to a holiday camp for their crimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need both, the rehab prisons would work better if there was a threat of moving to a punishment prison. and punishment works better if there is the potential of reward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just remember people, if we didnt have criminals then society as we know it would collapse

As for the "shoot them" and "hang them" comments you lot need to grow up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay "

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'"

Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'"

Cage somebody up and treat them like an animal and expect them to come out rehabilitated? Is this what we are suggesting

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'

Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

"

No, you don't be silly. They will reoffend no matter what one does. The reoffending rates are very high

I did not say to keep them as 'caged animals' as you suggest. I said to put them in cells as a punishment and to protect society. There is no need to provide any luxuries of any kind. Basic food, clothing, heating, facilities to keep clean are more than enough. A large swathe of the general non-offending population are lucky if they can afford as much

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'

Cage somebody up and treat them like an animal and expect them to come out rehabilitated? Is this what we are suggesting"

Don't be daft. Read what I wrote and stop wringing your hands

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

They will reoffend no matter what one does. "

Sorry - I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.

Just lock them up forever, eh?

Wow. Hope you never go to prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'"

Entertained in what sense exactly? My perception is similar to what has already been noted.

The vast majority of people in will come out and we are hoping that they can reintegrate into society. Surely the idea is to try and give people the skills (or a trade) to actually try and discourage them from coming out of prison and still thinking of crime as a viable 'career path'?

It's not about being a lefty, being soft or being nice

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

God there is some bullshit spouted on here.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'

Entertained in what sense exactly? My perception is similar to what has already been noted.

The vast majority of people in will come out and we are hoping that they can reintegrate into society. Surely the idea is to try and give people the skills (or a trade) to actually try and discourage them from coming out of prison and still thinking of crime as a viable 'career path'?

It's not about being a lefty, being soft or being nice "

And how does providing access to entertainment result in a repeat rapist not committing rapes?

You are talking about providing training so that burglars will, when they leave prison, will make an honest living by working instead of commiting burgalies. Correct? I am all for it. Unlikely that it will happen but lets do it anyway. As if that has not been done for decades

But why give them a softer environment that what the masses can afford?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always considered it a balance between how good you have it on the outside and how bad it is on the inside!.

Even the most penal prisons couldn't put off somebody who lives in abject poverty.

Maybe it's about making it a little better for most on the outside and a little worse for most on the inside

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

They will reoffend no matter what one does.

Sorry - I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.

Just lock them up forever, eh?

Wow. Hope you never go to prison.

"

No, you DID read it all but just chose to take one sentence out and quote it to make a point a look like someone half-intelligent

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

They will reoffend no matter what one does.

Sorry - I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.

Just lock them up forever, eh?

Wow. Hope you never go to prison.

No, you DID read it all but just chose to take one sentence out and quote it to make a point a look like someone half-intelligent "

I read that line and stopped. Scout's Honour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging "

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

They will reoffend no matter what one does.

Sorry - I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.

Just lock them up forever, eh?

Wow. Hope you never go to prison.

No, you DID read it all but just chose to take one sentence out and quote it to make a point a look like someone half-intelligent

I read that line and stopped. Scout's Honour"

No, no, no, no, no; impossible. You took the trouble of deleting the paragraph above and below. So you must have atleast read the paragraph above to then delete it

What a silly little thong to do just to make a silly little point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Norway. Their system works.

Isn't that what we want? Or are we more interested in revenge.

If something is proven to work then what does it say about our society that we resist adopting it.

It's almost criminal.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

They will reoffend no matter what one does.

Sorry - I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.

Just lock them up forever, eh?

Wow. Hope you never go to prison.

No, you DID read it all but just chose to take one sentence out and quote it to make a point a look like someone half-intelligent

I read that line and stopped. Scout's Honour

No, no, no, no, no; impossible. You took the trouble of deleting the paragraph above and below. So you must have atleast read the paragraph above to then delete it

What a silly little thong to do just to make a silly little point "

You sayin' I'm lyin' now, lady?

It is a silly thong, I agree.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Don;t be silly.

The vast, vast, vast majority of people who go to prison will be released at some point. I would suggest there are better, more cost-effective ways of reducing reoffending...

Unless your intention is to create caged animals just waiting for release day?

They will reoffend no matter what one does.

Sorry - I didn't read the rest of what you wrote.

Just lock them up forever, eh?

Wow. Hope you never go to prison.

No, you DID read it all but just chose to take one sentence out and quote it to make a point a look like someone half-intelligent

I read that line and stopped. Scout's Honour

No, no, no, no, no; impossible. You took the trouble of deleting the paragraph above and below. So you must have atleast read the paragraph above to then delete it

What a silly little thong to do just to make a silly little point

You sayin' I'm lyin' now, lady?

It is a silly thong, I agree. "

Liar, liar, pants (or thongs) on fire

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Norway. Their system works.

Isn't that what we want? Or are we more interested in revenge.

If something is proven to work then what does it say about our society that we resist adopting it.

It's almost criminal. "

Agreed.

I would say Norway has a far smaller population and a different attitude towards many things.

Whether that's something to aim for down the line should be considered but the immediate need is more money for the Prison's Service. No other way around it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Norway. Their system works.

Isn't that what we want? Or are we more interested in revenge.

If something is proven to work then what does it say about our society that we resist adopting it.

It's almost criminal.

Agreed.

I would say Norway has a far smaller population and a different attitude towards many things.

Whether that's something to aim for down the line should be considered but the immediate need is more money for the Prison's Service. No other way around it. "

I lived in Haugesund for about 5 months and constantly find it amusing when people herald Norwegian society as an shining example of the type we in this country should aspire too ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'

Entertained in what sense exactly? My perception is similar to what has already been noted.

The vast majority of people in will come out and we are hoping that they can reintegrate into society. Surely the idea is to try and give people the skills (or a trade) to actually try and discourage them from coming out of prison and still thinking of crime as a viable 'career path'?

It's not about being a lefty, being soft or being nice

And how does providing access to entertainment result in a repeat rapist not committing rapes?

You are talking about providing training so that burglars will, when they leave prison, will make an honest living by working instead of commiting burgalies. Correct? I am all for it. Unlikely that it will happen but lets do it anyway. As if that has not been done for decades

But why give them a softer environment that what the masses can afford?"

I'm not sure how locking a rapist up for 23 hours with bread and water will help them be a better citizen.

And In what way is it a softer environment than the masses can afford?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is dumb

Which works better on a naughty child:

1. Teaching them right from wrong and giving them to opportunity to make amends

2. Coupral punishment

"
they are not children!!!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Norway. Their system works.

Isn't that what we want? Or are we more interested in revenge.

If something is proven to work then what does it say about our society that we resist adopting it.

It's almost criminal.

Agreed.

I would say Norway has a far smaller population and a different attitude towards many things.

Whether that's something to aim for down the line should be considered but the immediate need is more money for the Prison's Service. No other way around it.

I lived in Haugesund for about 5 months and constantly find it amusing when people herald Norwegian society as an shining example of the type we in this country should aspire too ... "

Why's that?

I used to work with a Norwegian who claimed it was the dullest country on earth (only to be out done by his metalhead Swedish friend who claimed the same of Sweden)...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"I'm sure it's as simple as giving them bread water and locking them away for the duration of their stay

Please do tell. What is complicated about it? And why should they be entertained? Is it to reward the burglaries and the assaults and the rapes some have committed repeadtly? Or do you suggest this because it is the politically correct looney left thing one has to say these days to appear 'nice'

Entertained in what sense exactly? My perception is similar to what has already been noted.

The vast majority of people in will come out and we are hoping that they can reintegrate into society. Surely the idea is to try and give people the skills (or a trade) to actually try and discourage them from coming out of prison and still thinking of crime as a viable 'career path'?

It's not about being a lefty, being soft or being nice

And how does providing access to entertainment result in a repeat rapist not committing rapes?

You are talking about providing training so that burglars will, when they leave prison, will make an honest living by working instead of commiting burgalies. Correct? I am all for it. Unlikely that it will happen but lets do it anyway. As if that has not been done for decades

But why give them a softer environment that what the masses can afford?

I'm not sure how locking a rapist up for 23 hours with bread and water will help them be a better citizen.

And In what way is it a softer environment than the masses can afford?"

And how does providing a repeat rapist access to the Internet, cable television stop him from raping more women when he is released? I would really like you to explain this to me as you sound like someone who knows about these things

Most of the unemployed population living on benefits would not be able to afford these luxuries? So why do we foot the bill to provide these to repeat criminals?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"And how does providing a repeat rapist access to the Internet, cable television stop him from raping more women when he is released? I would really like you to explain this to me as you sound like someone who knows about these things

Most of the unemployed population living on benefits would not be able to afford these luxuries? So why do we foot the bill to provide these to repeat criminals? "

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

Earlier in the thread are some links I posted with investigations from several news sources, left and right, about life inside prison today.

Have a read.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Norway. Their system works.

Isn't that what we want? Or are we more interested in revenge.

If something is proven to work then what does it say about our society that we resist adopting it.

It's almost criminal.

Agreed.

I would say Norway has a far smaller population and a different attitude towards many things.

Whether that's something to aim for down the line should be considered but the immediate need is more money for the Prison's Service. No other way around it.

I lived in Haugesund for about 5 months and constantly find it amusing when people herald Norwegian society as an shining example of the type we in this country should aspire too ...

Why's that?

I used to work with a Norwegian who claimed it was the dullest country on earth (only to be out done by his metalhead Swedish friend who claimed the same of Sweden)...

"

lol... yeah I think dull is an apt description ...... but there is a popular misconception between the reality of life in Norway and what is perceived by those who formulate a _iew from afar......

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"And how does providing a repeat rapist access to the Internet, cable television stop him from raping more women when he is released? I would really like you to explain this to me as you sound like someone who knows about these things

Most of the unemployed population living on benefits would not be able to afford these luxuries? So why do we foot the bill to provide these to repeat criminals?

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

Earlier in the thread are some links I posted with investigations from several news sources, left and right, about life inside prison today.

Have a read. "

Are you saying that these facilities do not exist in any British prisons? Or are you saying that providing these facilities helps rapists rehabilitate? Which one is it?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"And how does providing a repeat rapist access to the Internet, cable television stop him from raping more women when he is released? I would really like you to explain this to me as you sound like someone who knows about these things

Most of the unemployed population living on benefits would not be able to afford these luxuries? So why do we foot the bill to provide these to repeat criminals?

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

Earlier in the thread are some links I posted with investigations from several news sources, left and right, about life inside prison today.

Have a read.

Are you saying that these facilities do not exist in any British prisons? Or are you saying that providing these facilities helps rapists rehabilitate? Which one is it?"

Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"And how does providing a repeat rapist access to the Internet, cable television stop him from raping more women when he is released? I would really like you to explain this to me as you sound like someone who knows about these things

Most of the unemployed population living on benefits would not be able to afford these luxuries? So why do we foot the bill to provide these to repeat criminals?

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

Earlier in the thread are some links I posted with investigations from several news sources, left and right, about life inside prison today.

Have a read.

Are you saying that these facilities do not exist in any British prisons? Or are you saying that providing these facilities helps rapists rehabilitate? Which one is it?

Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise. "

I'll make it easy for you...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3029089/Terrible-food-scratchy-tracksuits-paranoid-girlfriend-everybody-hooked-heroin-ex-convict-reveals-s-REALLY-like-spend-year-prison.html

.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prison-officer-reveals-shocking-inside-8072100

.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/30/life-inside-its-not-all-playstations-and-luxury-5127214/

.

What is life like inside prison?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34924634

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"And how does providing a repeat rapist access to the Internet, cable television stop him from raping more women when he is released? I would really like you to explain this to me as you sound like someone who knows about these things

Most of the unemployed population living on benefits would not be able to afford these luxuries? So why do we foot the bill to provide these to repeat criminals?

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

Earlier in the thread are some links I posted with investigations from several news sources, left and right, about life inside prison today.

Have a read.

Are you saying that these facilities do not exist in any British prisons? Or are you saying that providing these facilities helps rapists rehabilitate? Which one is it?

Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise. "

Are you being honest, this time?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time? "

Depends on how quick you read...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles. "

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people "

LOLOLOLOLOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging "

Seems harsh. They're only children.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

Seems harsh. They're only children. "

Nail 'em up! Nail some sense into 'em!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people "

Fuk that made me chuckle...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time?

Depends on how quick you read... "

Read one article; honest

Poor Carl; "Any prisoner who is caught for or suspected of smuggling prohibited items can face prosecution and a further sentence, closed visits, up to 42 days added to their time in prison or confinement to their cell for up to 21 days with no association time."

"It’s one of the hardest parts of doing a sentence, trying to maintain and support your girlfriend like you would in an everyday situation."

What does dear little Carl's heart desire?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people "

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time?

Depends on how quick you read...

Read one article; honest

Poor Carl; "Any prisoner who is caught for or suspected of smuggling prohibited items can face prosecution and a further sentence, closed visits, up to 42 days added to their time in prison or confinement to their cell for up to 21 days with no association time."

"It’s one of the hardest parts of doing a sentence, trying to maintain and support your girlfriend like you would in an everyday situation."

What does dear little Carl's heart desire? "

Keep reading

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic."

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended ..... "

Well it made me chuckle.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time?

Depends on how quick you read...

Read one article; honest

Poor Carl; "Any prisoner who is caught for or suspected of smuggling prohibited items can face prosecution and a further sentence, closed visits, up to 42 days added to their time in prison or confinement to their cell for up to 21 days with no association time."

"It’s one of the hardest parts of doing a sentence, trying to maintain and support your girlfriend like you would in an everyday situation."

What does dear little Carl's heart desire?

Keep reading "

I have, Joe; seriously

His account is of a prision. He is talking about things like a 'scratchy jumpsuit'. What would he like instead? One made out of Cashmere

What do you think folk on JSA can afford? And they have to pay for their meals, utilities, etc out of that

Pardon me, but I am not moved by Carl's 'plight'. He committed a crime and ended up in prision. He should thank his lucky stars that he ended up in a British prision where people are treated as human beings and not in some Thai or Indian prison

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle. "

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time?

Depends on how quick you read...

Read one article; honest

Poor Carl; "Any prisoner who is caught for or suspected of smuggling prohibited items can face prosecution and a further sentence, closed visits, up to 42 days added to their time in prison or confinement to their cell for up to 21 days with no association time."

"It’s one of the hardest parts of doing a sentence, trying to maintain and support your girlfriend like you would in an everyday situation."

What does dear little Carl's heart desire?

Keep reading

I have, Joe; seriously

His account is of a prision. He is talking about things like a 'scratchy jumpsuit'. What would he like instead? One made out of Cashmere

What do you think folk on JSA can afford? And they have to pay for their meals, utilities, etc out of that

Pardon me, but I am not moved by Carl's 'plight'. He committed a crime and ended up in prision. He should thank his lucky stars that he ended up in a British prision where people are treated as human beings and not in some Thai or Indian prison"

Keep reading

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then..... "

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt."

Well thanks for share your opinion ..

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

Well thanks for share your opinion .."

*sniggers*

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

Well thanks for share your opinion ..

*sniggers*"

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

Well thanks for share your opinion ..

*sniggers*

"

*wags finger and tries not to smile*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must admit that it is quite scary reading some of the replies there have been in this forum - the death penalty is in force in Afghanistan, Iraq and the U.S. with the highest murder rates in the world and yet obviously the majority would support it, just as they did Brexit and Trump. The one reason that the UK is such a stable place to live generally was that it was a parliamentary democracy and not the rule of the majority.

I am glad Cameron is out so at least he can't run a plebiscite on that one. And how do we feel about Brexit taking 20 years?

Anyway obviously we are not compatible to Holland, and when visiting recently and chatting to locals I am not entirely sure it is the nirvana that we are led to believe in terms of prison reform. Sweden is a more ideal system but so small that we cannot really hope to emulate it. It is a tricky situation but surely technology could be used more effectively in prisons to keep costs down.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

Well thanks for share your opinion ..

*sniggers*

*wags finger and tries not to smile*"

I hope that's not your special occasion finger Joe.........

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

Well thanks for share your opinion ..

*sniggers*

*wags finger and tries not to smile*

I hope that's not your special occasion finger Joe......... "

No, I've nine other ones for those

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A large % of prisoners have mental health issues, which leads to drug and alcohol abuse, anti-social behaviour, criminal behaviour.

Better medical care, abstinence based recovery, on going counselling would help a lot of these people change there behaviour and just seems like a better way to spend our money than locking them up?

Having said that, rapists, child molesters, murderers and violent offenders should get much longer sentences before release

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt.

Well thanks for share your opinion ..

*sniggers*

*wags finger and tries not to smile*

I hope that's not your special occasion finger Joe.........

No, I've nine other ones for those"

So are we too assume you have a dedicated wagging finger....

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time?

Depends on how quick you read...

Read one article; honest

Poor Carl; "Any prisoner who is caught for or suspected of smuggling prohibited items can face prosecution and a further sentence, closed visits, up to 42 days added to their time in prison or confinement to their cell for up to 21 days with no association time."

"It’s one of the hardest parts of doing a sentence, trying to maintain and support your girlfriend like you would in an everyday situation."

What does dear little Carl's heart desire?

Keep reading

I have, Joe; seriously

His account is of a prision. He is talking about things like a 'scratchy jumpsuit'. What would he like instead? One made out of Cashmere

What do you think folk on JSA can afford? And they have to pay for their meals, utilities, etc out of that

Pardon me, but I am not moved by Carl's 'plight'. He committed a crime and ended up in prision. He should thank his lucky stars that he ended up in a British prision where people are treated as human beings and not in some Thai or Indian prison

Keep reading "

OK, not only have I read the articles but also Carl's book in PDF. And I will send the £4 not because I feel any pity for him (doesn't look to me if he is asking for any either) but because there are elements of the 'prisioner experience', specifically visits, which could be improved

I now thik that some elements of prisions need to be improved and others need to be downgraded to provide a basic, luxury-free, confinement

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Have a read and see for yourself.

See if it's the same as you think.

That's all.

Take you 5 mins. Promise.

Are you being honest, this time?

Depends on how quick you read...

Read one article; honest

Poor Carl; "Any prisoner who is caught for or suspected of smuggling prohibited items can face prosecution and a further sentence, closed visits, up to 42 days added to their time in prison or confinement to their cell for up to 21 days with no association time."

"It’s one of the hardest parts of doing a sentence, trying to maintain and support your girlfriend like you would in an everyday situation."

What does dear little Carl's heart desire?

Keep reading

I have, Joe; seriously

His account is of a prision. He is talking about things like a 'scratchy jumpsuit'. What would he like instead? One made out of Cashmere

What do you think folk on JSA can afford? And they have to pay for their meals, utilities, etc out of that

Pardon me, but I am not moved by Carl's 'plight'. He committed a crime and ended up in prision. He should thank his lucky stars that he ended up in a British prision where people are treated as human beings and not in some Thai or Indian prison

Keep reading

OK, not only have I read the articles but also Carl's book in PDF. And I will send the £4 not because I feel any pity for him (doesn't look to me if he is asking for any either) but because there are elements of the 'prisioner experience', specifically visits, which could be improved

I now thik that some elements of prisions need to be improved and others need to be downgraded to provide a basic, luxury-free, confinement"

Thank you for taking the time to do that.

Thank you for being open enough to have a look.

And I respect that you've done that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nick aint all that hard. just sayin'

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"nick aint all that hard. just sayin'"

Surely it must get a little bit hard in the showers .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"nick aint all that hard. just sayin'

Surely it must get a little bit hard in the showers ....... "

only in movies

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I believe that the opinions of "its not their fault" is disgusting, had a hard upbringing so therefore we should be lenient, what shite, people know what's legally\morally right or wrong, yet make their own choices. Violent and sickening criminals dont need rehabilitation, they need to fear the consequences "
I don,t agree in being lenient but the family background of a prisoner certainly won,t help them if they were brought up that way to be in trouble since youngsters sometimes taken into care, the violent/sickening offender will most likely be wired in the brain to be like that not normal anyway born that way its not a excuse for them its something they have and live with and society has to deal with it when it can the prisons are at bursting point as it is and why? population levels? I believe world wars have kept the numbers down but now time is catching up again there is a lot more of us now being the prisons are a Indicator to this there has to be a tipping point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So they are kicking off at HMP Birmingham .....

Should prisons be soft touch environments of rehabilitation or should they provide tough luck hard time punishment.....

Bring back hanging

I agree about bringing back hanging especially for peadofiles.

You cant even spell paedophile and you want to hang people

Why resort to taking the piss out of someone's spelling because you have no other intelligent response to their post? Laughing about it is even more moronic.

Well I took it as light-hearted brevity ,,,,

I saw no personal insult intended .....

Well it made me chuckle.

I do hope that means we are not moronic then.....

If you find another person's inability to spell hilarious, then yes, moronic is apt."

Not quite sure how you've developed a chuckle into finding it hilarious.

I'll try to explain silly humour.. see if you can keep up.

Do you understand irony? Look it up if not because that's what this particular silly humour was based around.

As I saw it; i.e. The thing that made me chuckle, I saw the irony of someone trying to make an arguement for bringing back the death penalty (hanging in this case) for a specific crime. A 'jump on the bandwagon, knee jerk' answer to a headline crime. Trying to make an arguement in a 'what have the romans ever done for us?' Kind of way considering they struggled to spell the word.

Whilst I agree that Soxy is frequently hilarious, in this case it was merely a chuckle at a simple quip based on irony.

I'm afraid I must disagree with you that simple humour equates to moronic behaviour. If it did this world would be a very glum place.

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By *ureTemptationWoman
over a year ago

Off the grid

I think stuff needs to be done in people's lives before people get to the point of offending.

More work should be done to reduce poverty.

And so much should be done to improve mental health services for adults and kids. I've just read a study which estimates that around 40% of long term prison inmates have ADHD and most were undiagnosed.

If they'd had diagnosis and support early on, I wonder what that would do to prison numbers?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Faa-lala-lala-

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

lala-la-laaaaaa

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