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By *ikeC81 OP Man
over a year ago

harrow

Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, in this day an age it's disrespectful. Don't be lazy, say Chinese. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are just ridiculous if they question that. Anyway hope you enjoyed your CHINKY

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My half Chinese friend says going for a Chinky, even when he's in China. When did it become disrespectful and why?

I always thought it was a nick name for Chinese food, like Ruby for curry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is seen as offensive by many people. I understand the way you meant it but it's also used as derogatory term the same way as 'paki' is. Therefore you should refrain from using it now you know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah people these days always like to jump at the race card. Nothing else better to do

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Yeah people these days always like to jump at the race card. Nothing else better to do"

It's not about a race card, it is about using a word that has previously been used against a culture of people as a derogatory word. Some are offended by it, some aren't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is seen as offensive by many people. I understand the way you meant it but it's also used as derogatory term the same way as 'paki' is. Therefore you should refrain from using it now you know "

I've never heard anyone refer to a Chinese person as a Chinky. It's just food here and I live in London. I've led a sheltered life it seems. Thinking about it, it's my Chinese friend who uses it more than anyone else I know. Ironic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When i have a chinese i say i am having a chinky ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Next it will be disrespectful to say merry Christmas because it offends other religions

The world of fab and people in general is full of those who need to get thicker skin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just think people take things too seriously ie you at 7.23am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Next it will be disrespectful to say merry Christmas because it offends other religions

The world of fab and people in general is full of those who need to get thicker skin...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always say chinky if talking to English friends if there European I say Chinese as many wouldn't know what I meant...so if a shortened version of Chinese is chinky so should british citizens take offence at the use of brit os britts and a shortened version of James is jim. ...should all jims etc now start taking offence...??

The political correctness institute is going to far...as my friend says when someone calls him black..I'm not black I'm brown so how can I take offence at being called black when it's the person calling me has colour blindness issues..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always say chinky if talking to English friends if there European I say Chinese as many wouldn't know what I meant...so if a shortened version of Chinese is chinky so should british citizens take offence at the use of brit os britts and a shortened version of James is jim. ...should all jims etc now start taking offence...??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah people these days always like to jump at the race card. Nothing else better to do

It's not about a race card, it is about using a word that has previously been used against a culture of people as a derogatory word. Some are offended by it, some aren't. "
this..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Next it will be disrespectful to say merry Christmas because it offends other religions

The world of fab and people in general is full of those who need to get thicker skin

Really? You can't see that the use of a word that has been used in a derogatory way is different to a religious celebration that many people of other religions actually enjoy as well? It's posts like this that spark 'political correctness' outrage.. I have like stories of councils cancelling Christmas that have no basis in truth whatsoever

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By *-angel-XWoman
over a year ago

hell

Peiple find things to be offended at i think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Chinky is a shorter word for Chinese. Get over it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's when a word has been used as an insult or in a derogatory way it becomes offensive (regardless of its original use )

For example the way that many people will use the term half caste and not mean anything rude as they don't realise it's true meaning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Next it will be disrespectful to say merry Christmas because it offends other religions

The world of fab and people in general is full of those who need to get thicker skin

People use derogatory words all the time

It's when someone is sensitive and can't take it

Being called bitchy or fat or having boobs all those are derogatory words

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were "

It's a word that came about as a racist way for describing people.

Keep using it if you want to sound racist or disrespectful. Or, you know, don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of this because of a take away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lolz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple "

I don't like it so where should I go ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's when a word has been used as an insult or in a derogatory way it becomes offensive (regardless of its original use ) "

That's not quite true actually.

'Caste' is the top tier of a particular social system. A 'half caste' is someone who is not worthy of being in the top tier of that social system because they had parents who were lower class.

The real problem comes about because 'caste' is derived from the word 'pure' in Latin - which is why it was used to describe the upper class. So by calling someone 'half caste' because they have mixed race parents, you are literally calling them 'half pure' which is rude as fuck whichever way you look at it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Next it will be disrespectful to say merry Christmas because it offends other religions

The world of fab and people in general is full of those who need to get thicker skin

People use derogatory words all the time

It's when someone is sensitive and can't take it

Being called bitchy or fat or having boobs all those are derogatory words

So I should walk around calling people n***er and if people are offended it's their problem not like ?

What a load of shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple

I don't like it so where should I go ?"
stay in Bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's when a word has been used as an insult or in a derogatory way it becomes offensive (regardless of its original use )

That's not quite true actually.

'Caste' is the top tier of a particular social system. A 'half caste' is someone who is not worthy of being in the top tier of that social system because they had parents who were lower class.

I totally agree with . What I meant was regardless of your meaning when using the word ( ie she thought it was a shortened version of Chinese) it can be offensive . Probably didn't explain my self very well as my other comment actually mentions how half caste is offensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That should say totally agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple

I don't like it so where should I go ? stay in Bristol "

That's not 'my home' though so should I fuck off back there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The term 'chinky' originated in the 19th century as an ethinic slur for Chinese people when white Americans thought that they were 'coming over here and stealing our jobs'. Someone even invented a machine for the fish processing industry that they called the 'iron chink' because he was delighted that it put Chinese people out of work.

The term has always been used, like other derogatory ethnic slurs, to create a 'them and us' atmosphere. To divide people. To make people feel unwelcome in the country that they call home. To push them out.

There is no such thing as a 'political correctness institute.' There are only ideas that you personally think are ridiculous and that other people are taking seriously.

And if you think that using an ethnic slur that created by white people to try and make other people leave the country is cool, well, I feel sorry for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loving this at 7.41am .. wonder what I should have for dinner tonight

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

For the record, I am not offended by the word personally and have probably used it in the past among friends but I don't belittle people who are offended by it. The word has history, just because some are ignorant of that history doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no such thing as a 'political correctness institute.' There are only ideas that you personally think are ridiculous and that other people are taking seriously.

And if you think that using an ethnic slur that created by white people to try and make other people leave the country is cool, well, I feel sorry for you."

Also, you know, you proberbly go to the same Chinese takeaway as me because we live in the same area. So if you could not be a gigantic racist asshole to people I really like, then that would be nice too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no such thing as a 'political correctness institute.' There are only ideas that you personally think are ridiculous and that other people are taking seriously.

And if you think that using an ethnic slur that created by white people to try and make other people leave the country is cool, well, I feel sorry for you."
absolutely!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another great thread for identifying morons. "If they don't like it they should fuck off back home" has been the absolute low point of this thread so far...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's something my nan would have said

I'm actually quite surprised people still think it's ok. Would you say you were going to the paki shop? It's the equivalent of that. It's literally nothing like saying "happy christmas".

And no, it's not "political correctness gone mad" so climb down off that soapbox all you baby Jeremy Clarksons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple

I don't like it so where should I go ? stay in Bristol "

I don't like it either, I'd best not leave Newcastle then. What a crock of shit for this early in the morning.

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By *-angel-XWoman
over a year ago

hell

I do say it

Didn't even consider it to be racist :/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All over a Chinese hahaha ridiculous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple

I don't like it so where should I go ? stay in Bristol

I don't like it either, I'd best not leave Newcastle then. What a crock of shit for this early in the morning. "

Helped increase our block list that's for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's something my nan would have said

I'm actually quite surprised people still think it's ok. Would you say you were going to the paki shop? It's the equivalent of that. It's literally nothing like saying "happy christmas".

And no, it's not "political correctness gone mad" so climb down off that soapbox all you baby Jeremy Clarksons. "

You hit the nail on the head here, well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

"Loving this at 7.41am .. wonder what I should have for dinner tonight "

whatever it is i think your be eating alone after your act of forum suicide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not offended by being called a Brit or Pomm. I've even been called Scottish..... now THAT offended me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not offended by being called a Brit or Pomm. I've even been called Scottish..... now THAT offended me!

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hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple

I don't like it so where should I go ? stay in Bristol

I don't like it either, I'd best not leave Newcastle then. What a crock of shit for this early in the morning.

Helped increase our block list that's for sure "

See I don't usually have to read this level of deliberate ignorance because I've hidden all my cousins from Facebook who share Britian First stuff without realising it's satire. That's what this reminds me of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not offended by being called a Brit or Pomm. I've even been called Scottish..... now THAT offended me!

And just to add. One of my customers was of Asian background. I referred to him as being Indian. "No", he said, "I'm a Paki". We got talking about all this political correctness and he said all the problems from it are only due to the people actually preaching all the PC. He said you may get some Indians offended by being called a Pakistani and vica versa but no different from a Scot being called English. It's only a racist is used in a derogatory manner.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I don't know, why doesn't intent count any more? If my 87 yr old Mum wanted a Chinese takeaway she would call it a chinky-chonk with no disrespect intended, the name is more about affection for the food to which it refers, she would never have called a Chinese person that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Loving this at 7.41am .. wonder what I should have for dinner tonight "

Well you better go for a Asian and not a chinky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not offended by being called a Brit or Pomm. I've even been called Scottish..... now THAT offended me!

Who is preaching PC? What is their gospel? What is this PC you speak of.

I love how everyone always conveniently has a half Chinese friend or once met a Pakistani person who told them they were fine with it. And rappers say nigger, so that's ok too, right?

I'll keep using the language I use and judging others for the language they use as I see fit. They can judge me as PC, whatever the fuck that means. That's preferable to me to being thought of as a common, chavvy little idiot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously "

I'm ok with taking racism seriously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously

I'm ok with taking racism seriously."
yeah I am fine with taking that seriously. But I wouldn't call saying chinky in reference to have a Chinese as racist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were "

If someone says to me "I'm going for a Chinky" I instantly understand and acknowledge that they are going for a Chinese meal. Not once does the thought that the person is "disrespectful" or "racist" cross my mind, that is just ridiculous and petty!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank god we have some sense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look at the end of the day if u get offended by a word that is describing food then that's your problem and others shouldn't have to tip toe around u, I'm offended that u expect others to tip toe, grow up and use common sense, she meant food and it's a common word for a take away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

It's not a word I use.

If I heard someone else use it, I would know exactly what they meant but it would still make me cringe inside.

I'm not horribly offended by such words but I'd guess after I cringed I'd most likely feel a bit sorry for the person who said it and assume they're not bright enough to know better.

OP I'm fairly certain you are bright enough to know better.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

It's the 1970's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I either say chinky or Chinese...

Even my sons friend, whose parents owns the local takeaway refers to it as the chinky..

I really don't see the problem

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By *ikeC81 OP Man
over a year ago

harrow

Thanks all it looks like from thread it is probably a lot more offensive than I would have thought it was

I will be honest and hold hands up say thanks for the re education

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By *iver2015Woman
over a year ago

middlesbrough

There's a great bit on peep show about this.

I wouldn't say it personally. It's something I would have said in the 90's probably but I know better now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are just ridiculous if they question that. Anyway hope you enjoyed your CHINKY"

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

Mold

It's political correctness gone maaaaaad

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By *exysuzi and Mr.SCouple
over a year ago

CONISTON .Stoke Suburbia. Staffs. BARMOUTH. The Lakes (Monthly)

I went into one of our local Chinese takeaways and ordered ..... chicken flied lice. ..... It just slipped out of my mouth, before my brain engaged. And was met with much hilarity by the people who worked there

xxxx Suzi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There's a great bit on peep show about this.

I wouldn't say it personally. It's something I would have said in the 90's probably but I know better now. "

But it could just be racist...horseplay

I love Peep Show.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously

I'm ok with taking racism seriously. yeah I am fine with taking that seriously. But I wouldn't call saying chinky in reference to have a Chinese as racist "

Well, now you know that lots of people consider it a term that is quite racist.

So you can choose to improve yourself and not use language like that.

Or you can ignore other peoples thoughts on the subject. And have people think you're an insensitive nob.

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

The only people who find Chinky and Paki offensive, are the mealy-mouthed, liberal, do-gooders.

The real Chinese and Pakistanis couldn't care less. What about the Taffs(Welsh), the Jocks(Scots),and the English friend I have who always answers the phone with a "how are you doing Hamish"?

Having said that, the terms Chinky and Paki being used disrespectfully are a different matter!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously

I'm ok with taking racism seriously. yeah I am fine with taking that seriously. But I wouldn't call saying chinky in reference to have a Chinese as racist

Well, now you know that lots of people consider it a term that is quite racist.

So you can choose to improve yourself and not use language like that.

Or you can ignore other peoples thoughts on the subject. And have people think you're an insensitive nob."

Really? Wow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just googled the term.

Used to describe food in a Chinese restaurant or takeaway it is not seen to be derogatory but it is if used to describe a Chinese person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe people just need to speak correctly and refrain from introducing such Americanisms into what is a beautiful language.

It would reduce such disagreement if everyone took the time to think a little.

Feel free to block me if you wish, my opinion is just that. Mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only people who find Chinky and Paki offensive, are the mealy-mouthed, liberal, do-gooders.

The real Chinese and Pakistanis couldn't care less. What about the Taffs(Welsh), the Jocks(Scots),and the English friend I have who always answers the phone with a "how are you doing Hamish"?

Having said that, the terms Chinky and Paki being used disrespectfully are a different matter!!"

What about those who aren't offended but think using it makes you sound like a thick 1970s throwback?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously

I'm ok with taking racism seriously. yeah I am fine with taking that seriously. But I wouldn't call saying chinky in reference to have a Chinese as racist

Well, now you know that lots of people consider it a term that is quite racist.

So you can choose to improve yourself and not use language like that.

Or you can ignore other peoples thoughts on the subject. And have people think you're an insensitive nob."

harsh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Help increase my awareness of people taking shit way too seriously

I'm ok with taking racism seriously. yeah I am fine with taking that seriously. But I wouldn't call saying chinky in reference to have a Chinese as racist

Well, now you know that lots of people consider it a term that is quite racist.

So you can choose to improve yourself and not use language like that.

Or you can ignore other peoples thoughts on the subject. And have people think you're an insensitive nob.

harsh!"

Why is it harsh? People do think that those who use racist terms are insensitive nobs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what people are saying then offence can be taken by people if historically a word has been used to describe people in a derogatory manner..

OK let's see what weve got so far.

Chink or chinky.

Black (think we need to contact Oxford dictionary for a new word for the colour)

Pom

Brit

Scot

Paki

How about gypo pikey ni??a wop spick need I go on..

If a word is used in a non derogatory meaning how can someone really take offence..

Offence should only be taken when it's used in a derogatory manner or with offence intent.

We would be removing so many words from the dictionary.

I am neither racist or sexist but think that a line needs drawing in the sand. As I said if it's used in a derogatoey or insulting manner with intent then yes it's incorrect and should be punished.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Peiple find things to be offended at i think "

I am offended by this statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do gooders taking things to far middle class white peoples worried that they might upset someone people are starving out there with no where to sleep or being slaughtered because they are in the place is a word that offensive?

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By *igjrvMan
over a year ago

blackwood

I've always called it a chinky. Its just a shortened nickname for a chineese. Like bob is to robert or dick is to richard.

I've never ment it with disrespect. I have the upmost respect for everyone in any nationality, race, religon or ethnicity. Providing they are good people. I am friends with many of the above. So am I a racest? No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what people are saying then offence can be taken by people if historically a word has been used to describe people in a derogatory manner..

OK let's see what weve got so far.

Chink or chinky.

Black (think we need to contact Oxford dictionary for a new word for the colour)

Pom

Brit

Scot

Paki

How about gypo pikey ni??a wop spick need I go on..

If a word is used in a non derogatory meaning how can someone really take offence..

Offence should only be taken when it's used in a derogatory manner or with offence intent.

We would be removing so many words from the dictionary.

I am neither racist or sexist but think that a line needs drawing in the sand. As I said if it's used in a derogatoey or insulting manner with intent then yes it's incorrect and should be punished. "

Living with a person of Roma descent, I can confirm that 'gyppo' is indeed a derogatory term for that group of people and is deeply unpleasant.

I mean, you wouldn't say to your cashier in Tesco 'Hello Slut!' because although you don't mean it in a derogatory way, you understand it's unkind and has been used in a derogatory way in the past. So why are you so reluctant to give up words that are considered ethinic slurs or just out and out racism?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So am I a racest? No. "

That's the thing though. YOU don't get to decide if you're racist.

It's a bit like Donald Trump insisting he's not sexist after saying that when you're a famous man you can sexually assault any woman you like - but he insists he's not sexist!

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over a year ago

Everything is too PC now, and noone can say anything for fear of offending someone.

I've always refered to a chinese takeaway as a chinky, and to the local shop as the paki's.

I'm not racist and pretty much get on with everyone I meet. Its just the society we live in now deems pretty much everything innapropriate.

Like baa baa black sheep now being taught as baa baa coloured sheep.

You get white sheep, you get black sheep, fact!!!!

It says a lot when a simple child nursery rhyme is being changed.

Unfortunately there will always be a minority that will cause problems, but thats just life. We shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush x

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I think it is an odball one, and falls between two places and has two meanings.

If someone referred to a person as being a chinky, I would take it as a racist term.

If someone said they were going for a chinky, I would take it in a non-racist way.

That's my take on it anyway.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to point out that calling someone a nob is offensive too yet no one commented on that, everyone here knew that chinky in this case was referring to a food, and by the looks of it not a single person here is actually Chinese so how can anyone comment?? The op isn't being racist in the slightest, she talking about having a take out for crying out loud

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"So am I a racest? No.

That's the thing though. YOU don't get to decide if you're racist.

It's a bit like Donald Trump insisting he's not sexist after saying that when you're a famous man you can sexually assault any woman you like - but he insists he's not sexist!"

I don't agree. It's what is in your mind and heart that matters.

The OP example shows why it is difficult, because a non-racist person can be incorrectly judged.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

My other half is white, I'm black.

He lives rent free and runs his business from my house. He's a heating engineer and as been working every day for the last three months.

Last night he came home around 10...exhausted. He said "God I've been working like a nigger...no offense!"

He didn't mean it in a derogatory way so I was being "too sensitive" by being offended. Things are not looking good for him.

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over a year ago

"Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were

It's a word that came about as a racist way for describing people.

Keep using it if you want to sound racist or disrespectful. Or, you know, don't."

When was that? I've never heard of it being a way to describe a person.

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over a year ago

"Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were

It's a word that came about as a racist way for describing people.

Keep using it if you want to sound racist or disrespectful. Or, you know, don't.

When was that? I've never heard of it being a way to describe a person. "

You can see my post above where I explained part of the origins of the word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My other half is white, I'm black.

He lives rent free and runs his business from my house. He's a heating engineer and as been working every day for the last three months.

Last night he came home around 10...exhausted. He said "God I've been working like a nigger...no offense!"

He didn't mean it in a derogatory way so I was being "too sensitive" by being offended. Things are not looking good for him."

Wow. That's shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everything is too PC now, and noone can say anything for fear of offending someone.

I've always refered to a chinese takeaway as a chinky, and to the local shop as the paki's.

I'm not racist and pretty much get on with everyone I meet. Its just the society we live in now deems pretty much everything innapropriate.

Like baa baa black sheep now being taught as baa baa coloured sheep.

You get white sheep, you get black sheep, fact!!!!

It says a lot when a simple child nursery rhyme is being changed.

Unfortunately there will always be a minority that will cause problems, but thats just life. We shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush x"

If you don't want to be tarred with a racist brush, why would you say chink and paki? It's quite easy not to be called a racist, by not using racist words and not trotting out shite about baa baa coloured sheep being taught, which has never happened anywhere outside the pages of the Daily Mail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to point out that calling someone a nob is offensive too yet no one commented on that, everyone here knew that chinky in this case was referring to a food, and by the looks of it not a single person here is actually Chinese so how can anyone comment?? The op isn't being racist in the slightest, she talking about having a take out for crying out loud

Not that it matters, but the OP is a man. Would you change your mind if a Chinese person posted and said yeah, I find it offensive? Anyway, no one has said they're offended. They've said it makes the people saying it look like morons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My other half is white, I'm black.

He lives rent free and runs his business from my house. He's a heating engineer and as been working every day for the last three months.

Last night he came home around 10...exhausted. He said "God I've been working like a nigger...no offense!"

He didn't mean it in a derogatory way so I was being "too sensitive" by being offended. Things are not looking good for him."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why when people have something pointed out to them as offensive do the 'oh god pic brigade' comments come out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pc not pic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a Chinese person found it offensive then they'd be the only one here with the right to be offended because it's their race and no one else's, the only type of offence here is on behalf which is personal opinion so not racism, also calling someone a moron is offensive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But no one has said they're offended, just that they form an impression of someone based on the language they use. And sometimes that language gives the impression that they're a moron. Are you getting offended on behalf of the people I think are morons?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So like, men can't be vocal about sexism, yeah?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, seriously just wow, when u fall of that horse just don't hurt urselfs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to point out that calling someone a nob is offensive too yet no one commented on that"

A very good point and well pointed out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow, seriously just wow, when u fall of that horse just don't hurt urselfs "

Nobody here is on a high horse.

It's just that some people think harder about the effect of their words more than others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to point out that calling someone a nob is offensive too yet no one commented on that

A very good point and well pointed out

I didn't actually call anyone a nob. I said that if you use language that is considered to be racist, then some people might think you're a nob.

I think you're far worse than a nob if you use racist language.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to point out that calling someone a nob is offensive too yet no one commented on that

A very good point and well pointed out

I didn't actually call anyone a nob. I said that if you use language that is considered to be racist, then some people might think you're a nob.

I think you're far worse than a nob if you use racist language."

And you are entitled to your opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everything is too PC now, and noone can say anything for fear of offending someone.

I've always refered to a chinese takeaway as a chinky, and to the local shop as the paki's.

I'm not racist and pretty much get on with everyone I meet. Its just the society we live in now deems pretty much everything innapropriate.

Like baa baa black sheep now being taught as baa baa coloured sheep.

You get white sheep, you get black sheep, fact!!!!

It says a lot when a simple child nursery rhyme is being changed.

Unfortunately there will always be a minority that will cause problems, but thats just life. We shouldn't all be tarred with the same brush x

That one bugs me too, just the fact that these theories are based on bullshit. Recently there was a thread here moaning that blackboards had been renamed chalkboards in school for fear of being racist. It was funny how the guy swore blind it was true and it was PC-ness gone mad, yet could cite no proof of his claim when countless people called him out on it. People just get these _iews ingrained in them over time and don't want to believe anything else, so they only listen to arguments which back up their way of thinking. Most of these bullshit PC gone mad stories can be quickly debunked by checking Snopes, but the morons who believe them don't want to hear that. And yes I know moron is offensive, but unfortunately for the morons, intelligence isn't a protected characteristic under the Equality Act.

For the record, I don't think the OP was being intentionally racist, they acknowledged it was a grey area and were asking what others thought. My mum calls Chinese food a "chinky" (makes me cringe every time, and I always tell her the term is offensive, but she's old and set in her ways), but she would never call a Chinese person that. It's a relic from a time when casual racism was more common in this country.

This thread has certainly brought the racists out of the woodwork though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think there's a problem with it, got loads of Chinese friends, and not one has a problem with it, fed up with political correctness, people really use it to get there own way I think, there is enough problems in this country without that, anyway if you want to be stupid about it, how come the auzzys have been calling us limes for years, nobody says things about that do they.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think there's a problem with it, got loads of Chinese friends, and not one has a problem with it, fed up with political correctness, people really use it to get there own way I think, there is enough problems in this country without that, anyway if you want to be stupid about it, how come the auzzys have been calling us limes for years, nobody says things about that do they."

Historically, white british people aren't an oppressed ethnic minority. There's a big difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they don't like it well they can fuck off back home then. Simple "

Vile.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah people these days always like to jump at the race card. Nothing else better to do

It's not about a race card, it is about using a word that has previously been used against a culture of people as a derogatory word. Some are offended by it, some aren't. "

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Wow, seriously just wow, when u fall of that horse just don't hurt urselfs

Nobody here is on a high horse.

It's just that some people think harder about the effect of their words more than others."

Some gay people use the word 'queer' and I feel sure you have said it on here

. That can be taken as offensive or OK.

It seems a bit off, saying , I can say things like that, because I'm not homophobic, but other people can't use other terms in a non-aggressive way.

It's what is in peoples heart and mind that matters.

Some words are clearly offensive and are meant to be. But most people don't use the word chinky in an offensive way. I'm not even aware of racism towards Chines people anyway.

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over a year ago

"Wow, seriously just wow, when u fall of that horse just don't hurt urselfs

Nobody here is on a high horse.

It's just that some people think harder about the effect of their words more than others.

Some gay people use the word 'queer' and I feel sure you have said it on here

. That can be taken as offensive or OK.

It seems a bit off, saying , I can say things like that, because I'm not homophobic, but other people can't use other terms in a non-aggressive way.

It's what is in peoples heart and mind that matters.

Some words are clearly offensive and are meant to be. But most people don't use the word chinky in an offensive way. I'm not even aware of racism towards Chines people anyway."

I use the word queer because I'm queer. It's a word that has been actively reclaimed for the community to use, which makes it lose power as an insult.

The term 'chinky' has not been politically reclaimed by the Chinese immigrant community in the US or the UK. And Chinese people generally don't use it to refer to themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How is "chin-ky" shorter than "chi-nese"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Historically, white british people aren't an oppressed ethnic minority. There's a big difference."

Well if that's the case, then the people of this generation need to stop going on about it and move on, yes historical things were wrong, but this generation didn't do it, so why keep going on about it, surely it stops progress in society, if you live in the past. Move on I say, and stop trying blame the people of this generation, and the ethnic people who HAVE moved on, to me this is being used too much now in the 21st century, time to stop using political correctness.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Some gay people use the word 'queer' and I feel sure you have said it on here

. That can be taken as offensive or OK.

It seems a bit off, saying , I can say things like that, because I'm not homophobic, but other people can't use other terms in a non-aggressive way.

It's what is in peoples heart and mind that matters.

Some words are clearly offensive and are meant to be. But most people don't use the word chinky in an offensive way. I'm not even aware of racism towards Chines people anyway.

I use the word queer because I'm queer. It's a word that has been actively reclaimed for the community to use, which makes it lose power as an insult.

The term 'chinky' has not been politically reclaimed by the Chinese immigrant community in the US or the UK. And Chinese people generally don't use it to refer to themselves."

That's my point. You think 'queer' is ok, because you know yourself the context you are using it in, and therefore it's 'ok'.

You perceive the word 'chinky' to be offensive, but others don't, and use it in a friendly fashion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some gay people use the word 'queer' and I feel sure you have said it on here

. That can be taken as offensive or OK.

It seems a bit off, saying , I can say things like that, because I'm not homophobic, but other people can't use other terms in a non-aggressive way.

It's what is in peoples heart and mind that matters.

Some words are clearly offensive and are meant to be. But most people don't use the word chinky in an offensive way. I'm not even aware of racism towards Chines people anyway.

I use the word queer because I'm queer. It's a word that has been actively reclaimed for the community to use, which makes it lose power as an insult.

The term 'chinky' has not been politically reclaimed by the Chinese immigrant community in the US or the UK. And Chinese people generally don't use it to refer to themselves.

That's my point. You think 'queer' is ok, because you know yourself the context you are using it in, and therefore it's 'ok'.

You perceive the word 'chinky' to be offensive, but others don't, and use it in a friendly fashion.

But the term chinky is *directly* taken from racist action. It was used as a way to try and make people feel unwelcome in the country. It was used as a nickname because people didn't want chinese people taking their jobs and living in their country. It's the very epitome of a racist term. There is no way in which is can be considered to *not* be racist as a word.

Like, there has never been any other meaning of the word chinky other than a racist one. It has never meant anything else.

That you did not know it was a racist term is forgivable - although I find that highly unlikely in todays world when we understand that saying things like 'the pakki shop' is not okay.

But now that you know, why don't you just stop using it? Why don't you call it a Chinese instead? Why are you so attached to a word that many consider racist?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But this generation *did* do it! There are still people who are campaigning to send 'foreigners' home! Who think that Britain should be white and pure! Who think that anyone who isn't a white British person (whatever that is) doesn't deserve to live in Britain! They are the people who say 'make Britain great!', who tell us that immigrants are 'stealing our jobs' and who share Britain First memes.

We live in a society that is *still* racist. And these words are part of the problem of normalising that racism.

If you HAVE moved on, then you wouldn't use racist terms for people that are rooted in wanting them out of the country!

And political correctness is just shorthand for 'ideas I don't like that other people are taking seriously'. People say that treating women is political correctness. In fact - women got the vote in 1918 - why are we bothering to still talk about women's rights? This generation didn't oppress women, so lets stop talking about how women should be equal now!

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

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Well this is thread full of joy.

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over a year ago

We live in a society that is *still* racist. And these words are part of the problem of normalising that racism.

If you HAVE moved on, then you wouldn't use racist terms for people that are rooted in wanting them out of the country!

Well I agree with some of what you said, but not all, there will always be rasist people about in every country not just white British, I'm not, how could I be, I have 13 grandchildren, and half of them are not from white British fathers as you say, but I wouldn't change that for the world, I and all of my family voted out of Europe, not because of there color or where they come from, simple because, I think we can do better for our children and grandchildren, where ever there parents came from, I also voted because this country is full, it's as simple as that.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Like, there has never been any other meaning of the word chinky other than a racist one. It has never meant anything else.

That you did not know it was a racist term is forgivable - although I find that highly unlikely in todays world when we understand that saying things like 'the pakki shop' is not okay.

But now that you know, why don't you just stop using it? Why don't you call it a Chinese instead? Why are you so attached to a word that many consider racist?"

'Queer' has been used for much worse. I would never use the word 'queer' , it isn't reclaimed. It might have shifted, so now has the same category as the N word.

But basically, it's OK for you to say 'Queer' , because you know you aren't homophobic. But a person who isn't racist, can't say 'going for a chinky' because of last century usage.

BTW I wouldn't include referring to a person as chinky in that.

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over a year ago

Chinky, Paki, Wog, Queen, Poof, Faggot etc were all common place when u was a kid. Thankfully not so much anymore. The people who moan they can't use them anymore are inevitably the same people who call people like me political correct like it's something to be ashamed of

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Chinky, Paki, Wog, Queen, Poof, Faggot etc were all common place when u was a kid. Thankfully not so much anymore. The people who moan they can't use them anymore are inevitably the same people who call people like me political correct like it's something to be ashamed of"

I don't think one person on the thread thinks any of those are OK. I certainly don't. But it is an easy way to silence a sensible debate, by implying people would use those terms.

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over a year ago

Historically, white british people aren't an oppressed ethnic minority. There's a big difference."

This is the point people don't seem to understand. Like those who think that Black Lives Matter is racist because "all lives matter". While all lives do matter, all lives aren't treated the same by the police. Black Lives Matter is a movement attempting to address the imbalance, while White Lives Matter (which does exist) is a white supremacist group, pure and simple.

The analogy I like best is that when you're playing Mario Kart (stay with me here), the player in 1st place doesn't get given all the awesome power ups, whereas the players who are losing do get given them, in an attempt to even up the race.

If Nintendo gets it, why can't everyone??

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over a year ago

I don't think one person on the thread thinks any of those are OK. I certainly don't. But it is an easy way to silence a sensible debate, by implying people would use those terms."

There are people saying chinky is okay? I'm sure they'd use the others given the chance. If not why is chinky acceptable andvthe others aren't

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I don't think one person on the thread thinks any of those are OK. I certainly don't. But it is an easy way to silence a sensible debate, by implying people would use those terms.

There are people saying chinky is okay? I'm sure they'd use the others given the chance. If not why is chinky acceptable andvthe others aren't "

I don't think they would.

The word has two uses. Referring to a person as a chinky, most likely / often falls into your description.

The whole phrase 'going for a chinky' , I believe is used in a friendly, non-racist fashion by most people using it.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"Wow, seriously just wow, when u fall of that horse just don't hurt urselfs

Nobody here is on a high horse.

It's just that some people think harder about the effect of their words more than others.

Some gay people use the word 'queer' and I feel sure you have said it on here

. That can be taken as offensive or OK.

It seems a bit off, saying , I can say things like that, because I'm not homophobic, but other people can't use other terms in a non-aggressive way.

It's what is in peoples heart and mind that matters.

Some words are clearly offensive and are meant to be. But most people don't use the word chinky in an offensive way. I'm not even aware of racism towards Chines people anyway."

Exactly - it's about the spirit not the letter!! I have never been a supporter of political correctness because many of the people I have heard demanding it have NOT attended to their own hearts, they are full of venom towards all kinds of people they consider less enlightened and inferior to themselves, though they may never use any word that would condemn them as such. What is that saying - remove the plank from your own eye before trying to remove the spec from mine??

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I don't think one person on the thread thinks any of those are OK. I certainly don't. But it is an easy way to silence a sensible debate, by implying people would use those terms.

There are people saying chinky is okay? I'm sure they'd use the others given the chance. If not why is chinky acceptable andvthe others aren't

I don't think they would.

The word has two uses. Referring to a person as a chinky, most likely / often falls into your description.

The whole phrase 'going for a chinky' , I believe is used in a friendly, non-racist fashion by most people using it."

Exactly.

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By *r_PinkMan
over a year ago

london stratford

"Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were "

Alas, we live in a world of PC.

I say Chinky, when with friends who know I am a politically incorrect man but not a racist. Hell, I even call myself a Yid (Yes I am Jewish, no I am NOT a spurs fan). But again, only with those who know me well and I know wont be offended by my weird sense of humour

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Ignorance or racism...

Place your bets NOW!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Historically, white british people aren't an oppressed ethnic minority. There's a big difference.

If Nintendo gets it, why can't everyone??"

Me as a white person, find being called a Limey, by auzzys and American people doesn't bother me in the least, in fact I think of it, as a term of endearment. Let's move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what's in the menu tonight Op?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ignorance or racism...

Place your bets NOW!"

Racism is ignorance

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By *r_PinkMan
over a year ago

london stratford

ohh and may I ad. this is weird of me i guess but....

I would never refer to a Chinese person as a chinky. Only eating a chinky meal!

And as a Child (4 till 11) I lived very near china town in London. a majority of my school friends where Chinese and we all refereed to the food a chinky food.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Political correctness is a grat idea..people shouldn't be degraded , insulted, subjected derogatory remarks etc just because of the sexual gender, orientation, religion, or ethnicity.

But can I ask is it demeaning, insulting or degrading to a woman if I hold or open a door for her ?

In political correct criteria I am supposedly undermining and or demeaning the woman by insinuating that she can't do this task for herself..too me it is manners and courteous to do this..where do we draw the line is all I ask ?

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By *igjrvMan
over a year ago

blackwood

"So am I a racest? No.

That's the thing though. YOU don't get to decide if you're racist.

It's a bit like Donald Trump insisting he's not sexist after saying that when you're a famous man you can sexually assault any woman you like - but he insists he's not sexist!

I don't agree. It's what is in your mind and heart that matters.

The OP example shows why it is difficult, because a non-racist person can be incorrectly judged."

I absolutely agree

There's a huge differencentre from calling a resturant a chinky to publicly, verbally being disrespectful to women like trump did. How the actual f!@k do those things have anything in common????

I'm at a f@#king loss with some people. P.c. police

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over a year ago

When using the term to refer to food you may not mean it as offensive but as the word is used as an offensive term to Chinese people then why can't people just not use it all?

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over a year ago

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

Seems perfectly logical to me. I wouldn't describe someone by their skin colour either. And I wouldn't really like someone describing me by mine when there are a thousand other unique things about me that you could choose to use first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Historically, white british people aren't an oppressed ethnic minority. There's a big difference.

If Nintendo gets it, why can't everyone??

Me as a white person, find being called a Limey, by auzzys and American people doesn't bother me in the least, in fact I think of it, as a term of endearment. Let's move on."

Why should you find it offensive? You're not a historically oppressed race. It's why white people generally don't get particularly offended at being called "honkey" or "cracker" - the terms have little meaning and since we know we aren't oppressed, how can they hurt us?

Anyway, that's enough negativity on the forum for me today, I'm out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How is "chin-ky" shorter than "chi-nese""

Indeed.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Alas, we live in a world of PC.

here is the problem. Terms and jokes can be used for harm, by nasty people. Some of those terms and jokes can be used by nice people in a non-aggressive way.

e.g Bernard Manning is a racist and used racist jokes to perpetuate that. Romesh Ranganathan is not racist, the jokes are funny and it's easy to laugh because they are clearly not meant to perpetuate racism.

Understanding the intent of the speaker is critical.

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over a year ago

"Political correctness is a grat idea..people shouldn't be degraded , insulted, subjected derogatory remarks etc just because of the sexual gender, orientation, religion, or ethnicity.

But can I ask is it demeaning, insulting or degrading to a woman if I hold or open a door for her ?

If a woman took offence at you holding the door for her, then I would say she's taking feminism a little too far, as most people I know would hold the door open for anyone, regardless of sex. For the record, I have never had a hostile reaction from holding a door open for anyone...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

No it's silly and almost implies there's something wrong with being black.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Ignorance or racism...

Place your bets NOW!

Racism is ignorance"

See what I did there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I ask, does the sign outside of the takeaway say Chinese takeaway or chinky takeaway ?

This may give you a clue as to wether the term "chinky" is offensive or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep it's disrespectful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi all on head-book

I said last night I was going for a 'chinky' as a shortened version of Chinese takeaway

2 people said that was disrespectful and I was ok fine, and could see what they said but would others find it disrespectful as well

I suppose if I was going for a curry I would say curry or Indian even if it was a Pakistani or Bangladesh

Maybe i was being lazy and not saying Chinese, but I know loads of people that say it and it accepted

Just wondered what people's thoughts were "

As a child, my dad used this term. I actually thought there was a place called Chinky! It probably is offensive, if that is the intention, but if it wasn't, I don't think people should scream the racism card.

Where I work, a new convenience store opened, run by Asians and all the young people started referring to it as 'the Paki shop', the shop had a big orange sign on the front, so we encouraged the YPs to refer to it as 'the orange shop', after some time, this worked and is now known locally (even by parents) as 'the orange shop'.

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over a year ago

Im going for a ruby murray in about an hour

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

No it's silly and almost implies there's something wrong with being black."

It's not silly, it makes perfect sense.

Because it's a "marked turn" in linguistics.

You say "a man" to describe someone. Ok. But when you say "a black man" you reveal you inherent racism...

You didn't think in the first instance to say "a white man".

Until you are the victim of racism you don't think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When using the term to refer to food you may not mean it as offensive but as the word is used as an offensive term to Chinese people then why can't people just not use it all?"

I think it's becoming less used now. I haven't heard anyone use it for years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Alas, we live in a world of PC.

here is the problem. Terms and jokes can be used for harm, by nasty people. Some of those terms and jokes can be used by nice people in a non-aggressive way.

Understanding the intent of the speaker is critical."

If there was a Chinese comedian making jokes about chinkies I'd think it was funny, because they're clearly taking the piss out of white peoples racism towards chinese people.

Just as Ranganathan's 'racist' jokes are largely taking the piss out of white people who are racist. He's using the jokes as a tool to undermine the racists and take their power away.

But if you are the person from the racial group that has historically been the one with the power, you don't get a free pass to make those jokes. You don't get a free pass to use those words.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"When using the term to refer to food you may not mean it as offensive but as the word is used as an offensive term to Chinese people then why can't people just not use it all?

I think it's becoming less used now. I haven't heard anyone use it for years."

That's because it's a little bit racist

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over a year ago

"When using the term to refer to food you may not mean it as offensive but as the word is used as an offensive term to Chinese people then why can't people just not use it all?

I think it's becoming less used now. I haven't heard anyone use it for years.

That's because it's a little bit racist

https://youtu.be/tbud8rLejLM

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

No it's silly and almost implies there's something wrong with being black.

It's not silly, it makes perfect sense.

Because it's a "marked turn" in linguistics.

You say "a man" to describe someone. Ok. But when you say "a black man" you reveal you inherent racism...

You didn't think in the first instance to say "a white man".

Until you are the victim of racism you don't think about it."

It isn't inherent racism, that is just ridiculous. The person is black, and would describe himself as black.

The 'I know I'll brand people racist , just so they shut up and mine is the last word' is sloppy lazy and wrong.

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over a year ago

"Political correctness is a grat idea..people shouldn't be degraded , insulted, subjected derogatory remarks etc just because of the sexual gender, orientation, religion, or ethnicity.

But can I ask is it demeaning, insulting or degrading to a woman if I hold or open a door for her ?

I did once I held a door open in an office we were working on and one of the office managers went ballistic at me..couple of days later though I let the door close on her and she dropped some folders she was carrying (one handed) and she tried to berate me again until.I pointed out that she had objected to me holding doors open for a woman..I normally hold them open for anyone right behind me but may pause a second or so if a woman is not quite behind me..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness is a grat idea..people shouldn't be degraded , insulted, subjected derogatory remarks etc just because of the sexual gender, orientation, religion, or ethnicity.

But can I ask is it demeaning, insulting or degrading to a woman if I hold or open a door for her ?

I pause for a second or so if a woman OR a man is not quite behind me. I think it's just a polite thing to do.

I don't only pause for women because I don't inherently think that women are less capable.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

But if you are the person from the racial group that has historically been the one with the power, you don't get a free pass to make those jokes. You don't get a free pass to use those words."

I don't want a free pass. I want people to love each other and be happy.

When I was much younger, in a larger group of male friends, we were a mixed bunch. We would joke and take the piss out of each other for anything and everything. Some were asian, some fat, some going bald, some no girlfriend, some stingy. Everyone joked equally and everything was fine. Nobody had any malice and nobody was offended.

Yes, stop malicious racism. But learn understand to stop stomping about all the horrible people you perceive. Some are, but most aren't.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

That's your personal choice, but he wouldn't mind, he's proud of being a great big gorgeous black guy, and I wouldn't mind if I was the only white woman in the room, so why should you inflict your perceptions on us and claim they are superior?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I was once at a dance with my black dj chum, he was the only black guy in the room and yet the barmaid referred to him as the guy in the hat! Ffs I thought, how illogical is that??

No it's silly and almost implies there's something wrong with being black.

It's not silly, it makes perfect sense.

Because it's a "marked turn" in linguistics.

You say "a man" to describe someone. Ok. But when you say "a black man" you reveal you inherent racism...

You didn't think in the first instance to say "a white man".

Until you are the victim of racism you don't think about it.

It isn't inherent racism, that is just ridiculous. The person is black, and would describe himself as black.

The 'I know I'll brand people racist , just so they shut up and mine is the last word' is sloppy lazy and wrong."

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

So do you never mention anybodies skin colour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if you are the person from the racial group that has historically been the one with the power, you don't get a free pass to make those jokes. You don't get a free pass to use those words.

I don't want a free pass. I want people to love each other and be happy.

Yes, stop malicious racism. But learn understand to stop stomping about all the horrible people you perceive. Some are, but most aren't."

I'll let you into a little secret. Occasionally I make rape jokes. And sexist jokes. But I only make them to my very closest friends when I know we are in an environment where we all know that we're not sexist assholes. It's kind of like a form of therapy, you see. To let out those strong emotions and frustrations.

But I wouldn't make them to random strangers in public. Or on an internet forum. And if I did, I'd expect them to call me sexist. Because they don't know my intentions, they don't know who I am, and I'm proberbly hurting people by making those jokes in public.

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over a year ago

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

So do you never mention anybodies skin colour?"

I can't really think of a time when I'd need to.

Perhaps in an e-fit type situation, where I was describing a criminal. Then I'd say that someone was 'very pale, with freckles and ginger hair' or 'tanned skin, with dark blonde hair' or similar.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes, that's why I said "Understanding the intent of the speaker is critical."

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over a year ago

Yes, that's why I said "Understanding the intent of the speaker is critical.""

And people need to understand that certain things said in public are hurtful. Which is why I don't say them in public. Because you can't ask everyone exactly what their intention is. And some people just don't think they are being racist or sexist - even when they really are.

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over a year ago

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

So do you never mention anybodies skin colour?

I can't really think of a time when I'd need to.

Perhaps in an e-fit type situation, where I was describing a criminal. Then I'd say that someone was 'very pale, with freckles and ginger hair' or 'tanned skin, with dark blonde hair' or similar."

How would you describe a black woman?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

So do you never mention anybodies skin colour?

I can't really think of a time when I'd need to.

Perhaps in an e-fit type situation, where I was describing a criminal. Then I'd say that someone was 'very pale, with freckles and ginger hair' or 'tanned skin, with dark blonde hair' or similar."

OK, that's your choice. But the comment (not by you) that referring to someones colour is racist really annoys me. I'm not racist , I am kind loving person, and I don't care what someones background or colour is. Just use whatever is the most sensible unique feature of the person.

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over a year ago

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

So do you never mention anybodies skin colour?

I can't really think of a time when I'd need to.

Perhaps in an e-fit type situation, where I was describing a criminal. Then I'd say that someone was 'very pale, with freckles and ginger hair' or 'tanned skin, with dark blonde hair' or similar.

How would you describe a black woman?"

In an e-fit situation with the police I'd describe her skin colour in a similar way, and her hair proberbly. But I wouldn't feel the need to describer her that way in *any* other situation, unless someone was specifically asking me to describe her physical characteristics.

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over a year ago

Yes it us.

Because your default setting isn't to describe someone as a white man - that's just a man - whereas you mark out a black man by the colour of his skin.

So do you never mention anybodies skin colour?

I can't really think of a time when I'd need to.

Perhaps in an e-fit type situation, where I was describing a criminal. Then I'd say that someone was 'very pale, with freckles and ginger hair' or 'tanned skin, with dark blonde hair' or similar.

I am in broad agreement with the other person.

If there is a white man in front of you and you refer to him as 'that ginger man', but you refer to a black man as 'that black man' then you are pretty much being racist because you have been socially conditioned to not look past the black persons skin colour.

If you describe everyone by their skin colour first and THEN some other unique feature, then you're proberbly not being racist.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes they do. Implying sexism and racism on decent people is hurtful too. It also gives fuel to people who are racist and sexist.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Yes they do. Implying sexism and racism on decent people is hurtful too. It also gives fuel to people who are racist and sexist."

So think carefully about the language you use, that's all.

Do unto others &c

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I am in broad agreement with the other person.

If you describe everyone by their skin colour first and THEN some other unique feature, then you're proberbly not being racist."

OK, if you said ' I was talking to this black guy earlier' , that would make sense, as his colour is irrelevant.

In a pub full of white people, with only one black person , saying 'The black guy over there is my piano teacher' is just sensible and normal.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Yes they do. Implying sexism and racism on decent people is hurtful too. It also gives fuel to people who are racist and sexist.

So think carefully about the language you use, that's all.

Do unto others &c"

I don't need to think and choose my words, as I'm a nice, open minded person, so what comes out is naturally non-offensive. That's why most people I meet like me and think I'm a decent person. That includes the black and asian people I meet.

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

"Another great thread for identifying morons. "If they don't like it they should fuck off back home" has been the absolute low point of this thread so far...

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Historically, white british people aren't an oppressed ethnic minority. There's a big difference.

If Nintendo gets it, why can't everyone??

Me as a white person, find being called a Limey, by auzzys and American people doesn't bother me in the least, in fact I think of it, as a term of endearment. Let's move on.

Anyway, that's enough negativity on the forum for me today, I'm out."

I'm originally from the north of England now live in the south, now don't tell me about being oppressed, if you think it was only black or other people oppressed, you need to look a bit more at history, northern people were very oppressed, in history, I still get called a northern monkey by southerners, so yes white people have also been in that position. But we moved on, stop all this, and give our children and there children a chance to move on.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Think of the children!

Yep.

Perfect end to the thread

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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I am in broad agreement with the other person.

If you describe everyone by their skin colour first and THEN some other unique feature, then you're proberbly not being racist.

OK, if you said ' I was talking to this black guy earlier' , that would make sense, as his colour is irrelevant.

It may or may not be depending on context - many of the best Lindyhop dancers in the world are black, and I love to dance with them, so I might well specify for that reason. Should political correctness stop me from being positive about race too?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

That's all folks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Political correctness is a grat idea..people shouldn't be degraded , insulted, subjected derogatory remarks etc just because of the sexual gender, orientation, religion, or ethnicity.

But can I ask is it demeaning, insulting or degrading to a woman if I hold or open a door for her ?

Now your picking and choosing, what is and is not bad, your not a woman, so you don't know how they feel.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Shhh!

There are children to consider!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Maybe, maybe not.....

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