FabSwingers.com forum: Capital Punishment

By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

No. It's barbaric, sometimes wrongly sentenced to innocent people and countries that have it don't appear to have curbed their crime rates because of it.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead."

What about the not so innocent?

Should they be executed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead.

What about the not so innocent?

Should they be executed? "

How could you know though? Innocence is trialled in a court which means there could be a mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No. It's barbaric, sometimes wrongly sentenced to innocent people and countries that have it don't appear to have curbed their crime rates because of it.

This is spot on! It's neither a deterrent or rehabilitation, which are what is required

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

No, no way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hang the feckers!!!! Who we hanging?

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By *othingButCocoChanelWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

For animal abusers if hang them myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

Not even as a joke post, no.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Course not.

Its pretty backwards, just look at a list of the countries that still have it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

I'm going to say something else, imprisonment with regular reviews where things like behaviour and possible new evidence are taken into account.

Can't really say it's morally wrong to kill people, and to reinforce the point we will kill people

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By *angerdaveMan
over a year ago

stone

Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them "

Do you know how the law treats twins? Both would have to die if it was unclear which one committed the crime.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them "

Lol what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No because where do you draw the line? Who decides what crimes would justify that? I completely agree with the other posts, it's not a deterrent and doesn't work

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

How can you possibly say someone who randomly goes on a killing spree is of sound mind?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

No I wouldn't. Nothing justifies the death penalty in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We should hold another referendum on it. Then if it becomes law. The next time there is a miscarriage of justice and an innocent is executed. Everyone that voted to bring back hanging should be hung for being complicit in an unlawful killing.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

No, I still wouldn't want that. If you have a principle, it means nothing if you don't live by it in even the most trying circumstances.

I admire those families that have experienced the loss of a loved one through mindless violence who preach tolerance and forgiveness.

Don't ever sink to the level of equally abhorrent acts of violence. It's just a more extreme form of telling Johnny not to hit his little sister by smacking him one.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

When we did have capital punishment and hangings etc did people not murder others?

In America does lethal injections and electric chair deter people from committing crimes? Do they still monumentally fuck it up quite regularly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye."

You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?!

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So where does it come from then?.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye."

LOLZ

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

No.

FFS, just because a bad thing has happened does not make me capable of wider thought about the implications of having the death penalty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

LOLZ "
Yes, it is a good system to clear the prisons on lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cast your minds back a couple of months to the attempted coup in Turkey.

There were suggestions that the Turkish government were considering re-introducing the death penalty, which would have killed their chances of joining the European Union.

So if we were to bring back hanging in the UK, we'd get kicked out of the EU.

Oh no, hang on.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

On reading the thread so far contentious but.

Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Yes

On reading the thread so far contentious but.

Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them."

I think you've misunderstood the issue.

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

No, I still wouldn't want that. If you have a principle, it means nothing if you don't live by it in even the most trying circumstances.

I admire those families that have experienced the loss of a loved one through mindless violence who preach tolerance and forgiveness.

Don't ever sink to the level of equally abhorrent acts of violence. It's just a more extreme form of telling Johnny not to hit his little sister by smacking him one.

For the record, I don't agree with violence as an answer..

I just threw the dilemma out there to aid debate..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?!

So where does it come from then?."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

It's not really a moral dilemma is it, we have already established that killing is wrong.

If it acted as a deterrent then why are there so many people on death row in America.

And the old chestnut about what if it were your family that was murdered.

I don't think that someone who has suffered a catastrophic bereavement would necessarily be in a fit emotional state to dictate the fate of the person they perceived to be responsible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An eye for an eye is in the Old Testament.

Turn the other cheek is in the New Testament.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes

On reading the thread so far contentious but.

Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them.

I think you've misunderstood the issue. "

Nope, capital punishment, yes

What's to misunderstand

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Yes

On reading the thread so far contentious but.

Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them.

I think you've misunderstood the issue.

Nope, capital punishment, yes

What's to misunderstand"

The issue is, being so sure that a person found guilty by a jury, that you are willing to stake a human life on it.

There are so many miscarrages of justice, that you can never be that certain a person is truly guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Timothy evans was wrongly hung for crimes he didnt commit. It was john reginald christie who had commited them crimes and was eventually hung.the death penalty was abolished because of the wrongful hanging of evans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

You know that's not what the Bible says don't you?!

So where does it come from then?.

As with all things biblical it's confusing as shit. There are passages that say the punishment should be the same as the injury given but then there are others that say we should not retaliate against those who hurt us. I Googled it but I'm sure a more learned forum it will be able to enlighten us lol "
That is right as here are many that knows it too on the forum lol and yeah some teach one thing what it means, some another meaning of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hung.......

....sorry

........sorry

.........really sorry

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Yes

On reading the thread so far contentious but.

Be truthful, we all know there are evil bad bastards out there and the world would be a better and safer place without them.

I think you've misunderstood the issue.

Nope, capital punishment, yes

What's to misunderstand

The issue is, being so sure that a person found guilty by a jury, that you are willing to stake a human life on it.

There are so many miscarrages of justice, that you can never be that certain a person is truly guilty. "

Surely to entrust a jury of 12 lay people with the decision to end a person's life would be impossible. I would wager that more would er on the side of caution and find them not guilty more often.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? "
I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them "

I hope the next meet you have doesn't keep the used condom, or a strand of hair perhaps....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

LOLZ Yes, it is a good system to clear the prisons on lol."

I was being sarcastic...

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book."

Special forces are to protect people not kill for fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

LOLZ Yes, it is a good system to clear the prisons on lol.

I was being sarcastic..."

It's depressing that you had to clarify that!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book."

What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book.

Special forces are to protect people not kill for fun."

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Great filter thread op

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book.

What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you?

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Not much, but they do it more clinical you know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gandhi said "An eye for an eye will make us all blind"......

Death throughout civilisation and throughout cultures has been portrayed as a "release", to enter the great unknown, life it is often said is the punishment....

..by this reason, the death penalty is no penalty at all, incarceration, denial of liberty, is the greatest punishment; death just gives revenge; its like a one-night stand, instantaneously satisfying (unless its with me), but ultimately hollow and empty.....

I'm so happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them "

What a simplistic view of life you must have

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By *rs DCouple
over a year ago

far

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

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something else

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book.

What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you?

Not much, but they do it more clinical you know."

What makes you think they want to do it

I just had an operation and the surgeon etc. knocked me out in a matter fo seconds, the wound is very neat too.

Perhaps the NHS should do it?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

so what would you say to the families of those you hang that end up being innocent....

Whoopsie?

my bad????

oops?????

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Yes they should and as well what the bible say, eye for an eye.

No.

We'd all end up blind

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The point is that the criminal justice system occasionally gets things wrong.

It's bad enough when people (like the Birmingham 6) are locked up but at least they can be released.

You execute someone and get it wrong you can't undo it

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The point is that the criminal justice system occasionally gets things wrong.

It's bad enough when people (like the Birmingham 6) are locked up but at least they can be released.

You execute someone and get it wrong you can't undo it"

You have to give, to the vilest of scum, the same basic rights that you would demand in the same position

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"The point is that the criminal justice system occasionally gets things wrong.

It's bad enough when people (like the Birmingham 6) are locked up but at least they can be released.

You execute someone and get it wrong you can't undo it"

How about if I build a straw man, whereby someone is definitely guilty? Will that get people to change their minds?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are "

Yes

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are "

We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If found 100% guilty then yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If found 100% guilty then yes"

Really? Oh that's disappointing.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"If found 100% guilty then yes"

But that never happens, does it? See earlier points.

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By *angerdaveMan
over a year ago

stone

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them

I hope the next meet you have doesn't keep the used condom, or a strand of hair perhaps....

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so you going ti keep my spunk and hair then go kill some one then no your not because that not you what iam saying is today we can prove with out doubt then some as done it then why should they live and feed off ppl like me and you that pay taxs to keep them alive

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

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I think they should make prison tuffer like the chaingangs they had in the southern states of America, making them work from dusk till dawn, that'll make criminals think twice to commit crimes

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

I think they should make prison tuffer like the chaingangs they had in the southern states of America, making them work from dusk till dawn, that'll make criminals think twice to commit crimes"

No it won't. It doesn't in the USA, so why do you think that it would here?

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By *ildt123Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield

Not sure using a 2000 year old book is wise to guide law making. By that standard women have to sacrifice 2 doves 8 days after every period!

I can understand the desire for capital punishment and if anyone did anything to my family I'd happily do it myself but that's not the basis of law making either. On balance I'd say no we shouldn't

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are

We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point. "

I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are

We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point.

I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison

And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they?

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are

We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point.

I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison

And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they?"

Name one?

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By *uperock99Man
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

I think they should make prison tuffer like the chaingangs they had in the southern states of America, making them work from dusk till dawn, that'll make criminals think twice to commit crimes

No it won't. It doesn't in the USA, so why do you think that it would here?"
OK cut their balls off then

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are

We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point.

I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison

And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they?

Name one? "

The Birmingham six.

There's six of them, for a start.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

Rapist

Pedos

Serial killers

We know who they are

We don't though, do we? That's kinda the point.

I'm on about the ones who are guilty and in prison

And nobody ever got aquitted after they had been convicted and sent to prison, did they?

Name one?

The Birmingham six.

There's six of them, for a start. "

Read my message again.

I said

Pedos

Child killers

Rapist

Serial killers

Those should be hanged

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......"

Well done Fabio.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"If found 100% guilty then yes"

By a jury? I've been on jury service and of the 12 people half of then can't say a word for fear of making a mistake and a couple get all hot headed and want to hang the accused.

It's not a great system. It's the best we've got but there is no "100%" a lot of the time.

And then who does the killing? Someone who is a killer. But it's their job so that's ok?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I said

Pedos

Child killers

Rapist

Serial killers

Those should be hanged "

And how many women cry wolf on men for rape etc. and then say they didn't mean it? another bunch of dead people for no reason.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......"

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

I said

Pedos

Child killers

Rapist

Serial killers

Those should be hanged

And how many women cry wolf on men for rape etc. and then say they didn't mean it? another bunch of dead people for no reason."

Most of those women admit they lied before it even goes to trial

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I said

Pedos

Child killers

Rapist

Serial killers

Those should be hanged

And how many women cry wolf on men for rape etc. and then say they didn't mean it? another bunch of dead people for no reason.

Most of those women admit they lied before it even goes to trial "

Oh so the few who do it afterwards means only a few men get killed

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Our Justice system has flaws, as long as people only go to prison any wrongs can be put right.

A life can't be brought back.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers "

I can't understand why that's relevant. Is your thought process that, although people are wrongly imprisoned for some crimes, this could somehow never happen for those you have chosen to list for some reason?

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By *angerdaveMan
over a year ago

stone

So the guy that chop of a soldiers head should live then if its for sure they did then yes end there lives

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Doubt you be hung for stealing a car, petty crime

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"So the guy that chop of a soldiers head should live then if its for sure they did then yes end there lives"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers "

all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent...

your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!!

so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes.....

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Doubt you be hung for stealing a car, petty crime "

So they have special, extra telepathic juries for some crimes then?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

The point is not that some crimes deserve an extra harsh punishment, it's that death cannot be reversed if there is a mistake.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those who say yes, who would you task with the murder of another person? I would let the special forces do it as they know all the tricks in the book.

What tricks do you need to kill an unarmed person stood in front of you?

Not much, but they do it more clinical you know.

What makes you think they want to do it

I just had an operation and the surgeon etc. knocked me out in a matter fo seconds, the wound is very neat too.

Perhaps the NHS should do it?

"
Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Perhaps the NHS should do it?

Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide."

You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???

You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent...

your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!!

so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes....."

Nothing they weren't hung!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

personally my belief is this: if you are taking a life by death penalty, surely that person with the job is to push the switch or whatever still killing someone? I know it's a job and if they did bring it back someone would have to do it but I can't get my head round a person willingly killing someone for money.

Harsher prisons is what we need, not these comfy ones

Just my opinion though

G x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Harsher prisons is what we need, not these comfy ones

Just my opinion though

G x

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"Perhaps the NHS should do it?

Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.

You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???

You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already."

In Switzerland they do

It's called assisted suicide.

But that's another subject

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"personally my belief is this: if you are taking a life by death penalty, surely that person with the job is to push the switch or whatever still killing someone? I know it's a job and if they did bring it back someone would have to do it but I can't get my head round a person willingly killing someone for money.

Harsher prisons is what we need, not these comfy ones

Just my opinion though

G x"

Just to clarify, when I say willingly to kill someone for money I am talking about the person that took the job offer lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For animal abusers if hang them myself

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By *ogerNesszonesMan
over a year ago

Northern England

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers "

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

I suggest, rather than me detailing the appalling behaviour of the West Yorkshire police and the horrors Stefan went through during his 16 yr incarceration, you read about the case for yourself and carefully consider your position.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps the NHS should do it?

Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.

You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???

You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already."
My morals are fine and no dont think they would do it either, but you suggested nhs first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Perhaps the NHS should do it?

Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.

You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???

You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.

In Switzerland they do

It's called assisted suicide.

But that's another subject "
That is right they do

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent...

your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!!

so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes.....

Nothing they weren't hung! "

so.... you're not advocating that "child killers" are hung then?

or are you just putting that idea out there for discussion.....

in which case what you have happened in all those cases?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Perhaps the NHS should do it?

Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.

You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???

You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.

In Switzerland they do

It's called assisted suicide.

But that's another subject "

That's for terminally ill people who chose to go there to have it done. And those doctors are helping, as they see it. And I'm sure the terminally ill do as well.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.My morals are fine and no dont think they would do it either, but you suggested nhs first."

I suggested the NHS as just as ridiculous as the special forces doing the job. It was not a suggestion that the NHS actually kill convicted criminals.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"Perhaps the NHS should do it?

Yeah, the nhs would be a better option as have the latest medicine, maibe even cyanide.

You think someone trains to work to save lives and then kills people as part of the job???

You have a worse moral compass than I thought you did already.

In Switzerland they do

It's called assisted suicide.

But that's another subject

That's for terminally ill people who chose to go there to have it done. And those doctors are helping, as they see it. And I'm sure the terminally ill do as well."

That's another subject

Might start another thread on that

When this one is ended

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it "

So it's ok then?

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

all the above were originally found guilty of killing children or babies.... all of them later found innocent...

your turn... as i said, you would have had all of them killed!!!!

so... my question stands... what would you have said to all their families, or would they all have been "collateral damage" in your eyes.....

Nothing they weren't hung!

so.... you're not advocating that "child killers" are hung then?

or are you just putting that idea out there for discussion.....

in which case what you have happened in all those cases?"

You asked me what i would of said to those families If they were hung

I said nothing because they weren't hung

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it

So it's ok then?"

Put it like this

If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing

Didn't say it was OK

I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.

Like all the wrongfull ones do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should they bring hanging back in the UK or something else?

Something else, Norway has the template we should follow not Saudi Arabia!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it "

I hope he's made lots of money. It's deserved after spending that long in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

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By *ogerNesszonesMan
over a year ago

Northern England

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it

I hope he's made lots of money. It's deserved after spending that long in prison for a crime he didn't commit."

He was awarded £500,000 in compensation for all the years he spent in prison.

BUT he died of a massive heart attack the following year and his mother passed away a few months later, before they even received the compensation in full - let alone spent it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it

So it's ok then?

Put it like this

If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing

Didn't say it was OK

I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.

Like all the wrongfull ones do "

you are really showing your ignorance, and especially of the kiszko case...

he actually died a year after he was finally release.... he had mental health issues and became a recluse...

and as for money.... they were due to get 500,000... but they only ever got a small interim payment before he did, his family never got the rest of the money

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

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over a year ago

Yes in my opinion by injection tho like they do in America saves tax payers money and will teach people not to do the for example murder.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it

So it's ok then?

Put it like this

If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing

Didn't say it was OK

I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.

Like all the wrongfull ones do

you are really showing your ignorance, and especially of the kiszko case...

he actually died a year after he was finally release.... he had mental health issues and became a recluse...

and as for money.... they were due to get 500,000... but they only ever got a small interim payment before he did, his family never got the rest of the money"

A film was made, books,

His family got all the money

You spend all your time on wiki

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"How about bring back hanging for

child killers

you mean like stephen downing...... who was in jail for 27 years for a crime he didn'y commit...

or like andrew evans who was in jail for 25 years.....

or like stefan kiszko.... who was in jail for 17 years....

or the bridgewater 4.... who were in jail 18 years....

donna anthony, susan clarke, angela cannings....

you would have killed them all......

Were any of those rapist, pedos, serial killers, child killers

Yes, Stefan Kiszko was wrongly convicted of killing Lesley Moleseed.

And look how much money he has made from it

So it's ok then?

Put it like this

If he wasn't wrongfully in jail he would have made pittance the job he was doing

Didn't say it was OK

I'm just saying he has made hell of a lot of money from selling his story.

Like all the wrongfull ones do "

But he was innocent, not a wrongful one.

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over a year ago

Think they should also bring in lie detector's

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By *ixedblkinjectionMan
over a year ago

london

It's ridiculous to try go backwards in going forwards...I decided on creating life rather than taking it away...if someone kills...who am I to have them killed...whoever kills the killer is no better than the killer!!! The only way it is the right action, is if you believe you are in danger and you are defending yourself or the life of another...I agree whole heartedly that far too many people have been sent to death based on pompous nonesense (Middle Ages) political nonesense (throughout the ages) and also based on race (throughout the ages); then after have been found completely innocent!

Everyone will die at some point....nature will always take its course!

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Yes in my opinion by injection tho like they do in America saves tax payers money and will teach people not to do the for example murder."

What if they got the conviction wrong?

And they don't 'do it in America', only a few States allow it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

You spend all your time on wiki "

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes in my opinion by injection tho like they do in America saves tax payers money and will teach people not to do the for example murder.

What if they got the conviction wrong?

And they don't 'do it in America', only a few States allow it."
they still do it in America tho lol (don't know what states). I would bring in a lie detector,

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Absolutely no to capital punishment of any kind. Life is precious and should not be taken in revenge. In a civilised, humane society it really has no place.

Bring back some chocolates that have disappeared instead.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again "

Pathetic argument.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

Pathetic argument.

As has been explained at length, the idea you have that 'scum' and 'paedos' should be hanged is the exact reason we have a criminal justice system, as imperfect as it is, because irrational people should not have the power of life and death over their peers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the moral dilemma here..

Someone of sound mind goes and kills loads of people, gets caught on the act...is clearly guilty of the crime accused..

Surely in that instance capital punishment could be justified.

It must work as a deterrent.. if the threat of death is present some people will think twice before they act...

Obviously some will not worry of the consequences, that won't change, capital punishment or not....

Now imagine those killed were your family, your loved ones..

Would you want that person to be punished by death?

Not really. i'd want justice and killing them would just be revenge. They should be punished but not by death.

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

Pathetic argument.

No one is arguing

It's a debate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, they shouldn't, however heinous the crime. It isn't acceptable. And I hope this is never put to a public referendum because the baying masses would probably get it voted through.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice.

There are examples of it going wrong and these must be avoided at all costs. In lots of cases it is ridiculously obvious. Lots of these murder cases aren't long winded Poirot type things, it is very clear cut.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice.

So you actually think that killing some one is ok.

lets not get bogged down with what that person was alleged to have done.

Lets make it clear what actually happens when some one is executed.

This is done in a controlled and calculated way, its totally cold blooded and premeditated.

They take that person and snuff out thier life.

Now how is that any different than what the murder did

who actually in many instances my have had mitigating circumstances (mental health issues, crimes of passion)

Also what would you do to the guy that found a man molesting one of his kids, and went nuts and killed him. Would that man be put to death he is after all a murderer, or is some types of murder ok as long as its people you dont like?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice.

So you actually think that killing some one is ok.

lets not get bogged down with what that person was alleged to have done.

Lets make it clear what actually happens when some one is executed.

This is done in a controlled and calculated way, its totally cold blooded and premeditated.

They take that person and snuff out thier life.

Now how is that any different than what the murder did

who actually in many instances my have had mitigating circumstances (mental health issues, crimes of passion)

I think it is appropriate in some cases, yes.

Mitigating factors are a massive part in what happens. I'm not saying do it willy-nilly.

I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples.

But what about the flip side of the coin where a man has videoed himself abusing children and then murdered them? Guilty without doubt from massive piles of evidence. In that case I would 100% accept the death penalty for that person.

MrB

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I'd say yes, for the most heinous crimes. BUT the conviction would have to be very safe to avoid mis-carriages of justice.

So you actually think that killing some one is ok.

lets not get bogged down with what that person was alleged to have done.

Lets make it clear what actually happens when some one is executed.

This is done in a controlled and calculated way, its totally cold blooded and premeditated.

They take that person and snuff out thier life.

Now how is that any different than what the murder did

who actually in many instances my have had mitigating circumstances (mental health issues, crimes of passion)

I think it is appropriate in some cases, yes.

Mitigating factors are a massive part in what happens. I'm not saying do it willy-nilly.

I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples.

MrB"

The death penalty is wrong.

There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice.

It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield.

Unless you want to pull the trigger personally?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

Pathetic argument.

No one is arguing

It's a debate "

You didn't address my following points.

"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples.

MrB

The death penalty is wrong.

There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice.

It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield.

Unless you want to pull the trigger personally?

I have tried to omit cases where 'it was got wrong' - they tend to be very complex cases based on complex conflicting information. These cases should not end in a death penalty, too risky.

The reality is, lots of crimes are incredibly simple and also sadly sickening.

I don't get the inhuman aspect. We already condone killing in a military sense. We send planes to bomb targets. We allow children to die through insufficient funding of the treatments they need.

But now we have a huge moral soul searching over a person filled with evil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples.

MrB

The death penalty is wrong.

There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice.

It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield.

Unless you want to pull the trigger personally?

I have tried to omit cases where 'it was got wrong' - they tend to be very complex cases based on complex conflicting information. These cases should not end in a death penalty, too risky.

The reality is, lots of crimes are incredibly simple and also sadly sickening.

I don't get the inhuman aspect. We already condone killing in a military sense. We send planes to bomb targets. We allow children to die through insufficient funding of the treatments they need.

But now we have a huge moral soul searching over a person filled with evil."

We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I agree it is very difficult in some cases, and you list fair examples.

MrB

The death penalty is wrong.

There have been frequently cited cases where the State 'got their man' and it turned out to be a gross miscarriage of justice.

It's very easy to say 'death to child killers' but I think you'll find the reality of that blanket statement is and impossible, inhuman legal minefield.

Unless you want to pull the trigger personally?

I have tried to omit cases where 'it was got wrong' - they tend to be very complex cases based on complex conflicting information. These cases should not end in a death penalty, too risky.

The reality is, lots of crimes are incredibly simple and also sadly sickening.

I don't get the inhuman aspect. We already condone killing in a military sense. We send planes to bomb targets. We allow children to die through insufficient funding of the treatments they need.

But now we have a huge moral soul searching over a person filled with evil.

We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we. "

A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners."

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes...

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them

Do you know how the law treats twins? Both would have to die if it was unclear which one committed the crime.

My mates a screw and he had an identical twin on his wing who thought hed get away with murder due to this fact but obviusly not

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes..."

"Irrefutable"? Says who...

*COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS*

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Yes as we now have dna to prove it was them

Do you know how the law treats twins? Both would have to die if it was unclear which one committed the crime.

Here on earth the outcome would be a little different...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we.

A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners.""

I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we.

A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners."

I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging."

You think people should be treated humanely unless they should be shot?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes...

"Irrefutable"? Says who...

*COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS*"

There lots of mis-carriages of justice, I agree. But these can't be the only debating factor. Lots of murder cases are very very simple with undeniable evidence.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we.

A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners."

I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging.

You think people should be treated humanely unless they should be shot?

Yes

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes...

"Irrefutable"? Says who...

*COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS*

There lots of mis-carriages of justice, I agree. But these can't be the only debating factor. Lots of murder cases are very very simple with undeniable evidence."

So a few 'judicial accidents/executions' are worth it to sate public outrage?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

We shouldn't do any of those things either. Saying you can't do one right thing because you do other wrong things, we will never make any progress that way will we.

A little Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilisation in a society can be gauged by how that society treats its prisoners."

I don't think anyone should be treated inhumanely. I do think truly evil people who are beyond shadow of a doubt guilty, should face the death penalty. Not hanging.

You think people should be treated humanely unless they should be shot?

Yes"

O.K.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"If the evidence is irrefutable, and the crime sufficiently bad, yes...

"Irrefutable"? Says who...

*COmiscarriagesofjusticFFS*

There lots of mis-carriages of justice, I agree. But these can't be the only debating factor. Lots of murder cases are very very simple with undeniable evidence.

So a few 'judicial accidents/executions' are worth it to sate public outrage?"

No. I'm saying there can be no accidental executions allowable. I don't want to start in detail about horrific evidence, but in many many cases there is completely undeniable DNA and photographic evidence of guilt. That for me is the line in the sand.

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

Even Albert Pierrepont himself said that executions achieved nothing.

Capital punishment not only kills the criminal (assuming they are genuinely guilty) it also punishes their family.

Of course, two wrongs do not make a right and far too many have been wrongly hanged.

It belongs in the past.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Even Albert Pierrepont himself said that executions achieved nothing.

Capital punishment not only kills the criminal (assuming they are genuinely guilty) it also punishes their family.

Of course, two wrongs do not make a right and far too many have been wrongly hanged.

It belongs in the past. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's not turn the State back into a serial killer of its own citizens.

We've raised the bar. We're a better society for having done so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To those posters opposed to executing criminals, what's the justification for a member of the military pressing a button and "executing" other humans several miles away who aren't an immediate threat?

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By *rs mischiefWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead."

That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years.

That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

when previously discussed, someone suggested that the death penalty would act as a deterrent to suicide bombers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have been sent to prison in the past and turned out to be innocent...... what makes you so sure that won't happen in the future ? And if someone innocent is executed ?

However if it's a paedophile then they can definitely hang!

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead.

That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years.

That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime!"
and death row in america is full of people who for some reason dont seem to have been "scared " of the death penalty maybe becuase like the vasy majority of criminals of all types they think they will never get caught and regard being caught as an occupational hazard

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

Pathetic argument.

No one is arguing

It's a debate

You didn't address my following points.

"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."

I have a kindle

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead.

That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years.

That said I still don't know where I stand.. we need something that will scare people off crime!and death row in america is full of people who for some reason dont seem to have been "scared " of the death penalty maybe becuase like the vasy majority of criminals of all types they think they will never get caught and regard being caught as an occupational hazard "

Not all states in America have the death penalty

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

Pathetic argument.

No one is arguing

It's a debate

You didn't address my following points.

"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."

I have a kindle

It's a quotation that illuminates my argument.

Open your eyes and learn not to hate, ok? It's difficult but it's the better option.

And I know it won't make you change your mind but you might try reading the many and varied responses on this thread about why execution is wrong, foolish and Medieval.

Try it.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"No. It's barbaric, sometimes wrongly sentenced to innocent people and countries that have it don't appear to have curbed their crime rates because of it.

It's neither a deterrent or rehabilitation"

But it certainly stops re-offending

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By *nequeenslutWoman
over a year ago

rugeley

yes just for junkies on a Saturday in the town square

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"No.

Too many people have turned out to be innocent in serious crime accusations.

Can't bring them back from the dead.

That was before all the forensic advancements of recent years.

Not all states in America have the death penalty "

Yeah, and they execute lots of black people. But that's ok 'cos they're criminals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

Have a read. Dare ya

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By *ndigo40 OP Woman
over a year ago

secret town

You spend all your time on wiki

i think actually it is answering your question as to why the death penalty should not be brought back....

you were the one who singled out various groups (and more than once)

i showed you various cases where people were later found to be innocent....

you don't "unhang" people.... they don't magically come back life...

so i find your "pithy" answer to what would have said to the families of the innocent you would have hung with "well they weren't!!!" to be really really unsavoury.....

All your cases are from Wikipedia I haven't got time to read everyone and give you answers to everyone

I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again

Pathetic argument.

No one is arguing

It's a debate

You didn't address my following points.

"Judge a book by it's cover and read what you want from between selected lines."

I have a kindle

It's a quotation that illuminates my argument.

Open your eyes and learn not to hate, ok? It's difficult but it's the better option.

And I know it won't make you change your mind but you might try reading the many and varied responses on this thread about why execution is wrong, foolish and Medieval.

Try it.

Yes I hate pedos, rapist, child killers.

And no amount of swingers on a sex site or on a forum will change my mind

Bring the death penalty back just for them

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm on about Pedos, serial killers etc plural

Those sort should be hung

The people who commit hideous crimes multiple times over and over again "

A. There are people who are convicted of those crimes and

B. how would they commit those crimes over and over again if you had them hanged?

You insistence on singling out certain sorts of crimes just shows your ignorance of the legal system.

Miscarriages of justice don't just happen on non-hangable crimes. They happen on the crimes you mention.

So having a miscarriage of justice in a rape case how would you bring the hanged person back if they were later found innocent? And I really mean how?

In fact I'm beginning to this this is a troll argument just to wind the rest of us up it is so flimsy and flawed.

When you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt it it possible to un-hang people I might, jsut might take you seriously

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Yes I hate pedos, rapist, child killers.

And no amount of swingers on a sex site or on a forum will change my mind

Bring the death penalty back just for them "

OMG are you for real??? Or just unable to see that every convicted rapist etc. MIGHT NOT BE GUILTY?

And your possible insinuation that the rest of us don't dislike rapists etc, is rather poor taste too.

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