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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So, just for a change from the daily shaving thread...

Homeopathy.

Yes? No? Why do we fund homeopathic 'treatments' on NHS?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Placebos work so why not an almost undetectable bit of something on sugar pills?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Placebos work so why not an almost undetectable bit of something on sugar pills?

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Very true about placebos.

I take issue with 'almost' undetectable though, you can't detect the stuff when there is literally none there.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Placebos work so why not an almost undetectable bit of something on sugar pills?

Very true about placebos.

I take issue with 'almost' undetectable though, you can't detect the stuff when there is literally none there. "

It was there once. You remember that first kiss? It's a bit like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's bollocks, obviously, but if it makes people feel better it's probably quite a low cost way of achieving that.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Placebos work so why not an almost undetectable bit of something on sugar pills?

Very true about placebos.

I take issue with 'almost' undetectable though, you can't detect the stuff when there is literally none there. "

Its only the really powerful potions that have none of the original ingredient, the weaker potions at least have trace amounts

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By *iscellaneousCouple
over a year ago

Idle

If people want to buy pretend medicine and delude themselves it's anything more than a placebo then I suppose they have a right to be stupid.

But when frauds are allowed to 'practice' and tell people they can use 'alternative medicine' to cure cancer, then it becomes outright dangerous and should come with hefty sentences.

MiscM

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's bollocks, obviously, but if it makes people feel better it's probably quite a low cost way of achieving that. "

True.

Should just give them Tesco basic sugar lumps, cheaper still!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If people want to buy pretend medicine and delude themselves it's anything more than a placebo then I suppose they have a right to be stupid.

But when frauds are allowed to 'practice' and tell people they can use 'alternative medicine' to cure cancer, then it becomes outright dangerous and should come with hefty sentences.

MiscM"

Aye, many (most? all?) 'alternative therapies' come into this category!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We fund them because some have NICE Guidance. For example, acupuncture.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We fund them because some have NICE Guidance. For example, acupuncture. "

If you're broadening to include all alternative therapies then yes, I believe that some do have support of NICE.

Of course, most do not, some are harmless, some are not, either by the action of the 'therapy' itself or by its inaction when the patient really does need something.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

If we're broadening out, what do you think of EMDT (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing)?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If we're broadening out, what do you think of EMDT (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing)?

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Never heard of it.

I'm active over in Politics forum. So I could do what many do there and start talking about it anyway. Or maybe, just maybe, I should look it up since I know Google is my friend.

So I did the latter. Looks interesting and worthy of further research perhaps?

But then, I live in an evidence based paradigm and embrace the role of experts!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We fund them because some have NICE Guidance. For example, acupuncture.

If you're broadening to include all alternative therapies then yes, I believe that some do have support of NICE.

Of course, most do not, some are harmless, some are not, either by the action of the 'therapy' itself or by its inaction when the patient really does need something."

Just like how some conventional drugs aren't NICE approved. I worked in this area for a while and saw lots of treatments work when integrated with conventional medicine.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"We fund them because some have NICE Guidance. For example, acupuncture.

If you're broadening to include all alternative therapies then yes, I believe that some do have support of NICE.

Of course, most do not, some are harmless, some are not, either by the action of the 'therapy' itself or by its inaction when the patient really does need something.

Just like how some conventional drugs aren't NICE approved. I worked in this area for a while and saw lots of treatments work when integrated with conventional treatments. "

The whole area of medicines, research, etc, is a bit crazy. We know how to do it, but we still find ways to avoid it. Read a book on this subject last month, it is frightening!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"If we're broadening out, what do you think of EMDT (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing)?

Never heard of it.

I'm active over in Politics forum. So I could do what many do there and start talking about it anyway. Or maybe, just maybe, I should look it up since I know Google is my friend.

So I did the latter. Looks interesting and worthy of further research perhaps?

But then, I live in an evidence based paradigm and embrace the role of experts! "

I'm trying to avoid the politics forum. I take the occasional homeopathic hit but that's all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So, just for a change from the daily shaving thread...

Homeopathy.

Yes? No? Why do we fund homeopathic 'treatments' on NHS?"

I suppose with complementary medicine it's fine by me if it's regulated by NICE and the NHS, so at least it's brought into the fold and monitored.

But I personally don't have a lot of time for it. But there's so many different areas. My wife had physio due to a slipped disc and found acupuncture to be beneficial.

However during a session with my CBT practitioner she mentioned her enthusiasm for aromatherapy. I wasn't too impressed with her after that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmm I don't know enough about homeopathic remedies- but I know enough to have a hunch that it's probably a load of bollox

I'm not a lover of pharmaceutical "medicines" either - I doubt that there are any that actually " cure" the illness - they just mask it so you then have to buy some more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Homeopathy is total and utter rubbish. Mitchell and Webb nailed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

No. All of the highest grade research evidence points to it being a waste of time, money and water - ie there is no good evidence of it doing anything thats statistically meaningful.

We should not fund it from public money, as with any quack or snake oil 'cure'.

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