FabSwingers.com forum: political correctness

By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

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If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

There is a lot I'd like to say on this subject but I think I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut and open the popcorn instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh shag!

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled."

What would they like to say, but can't Shag? Is it political correctness causing this, or just much needed hate crime law?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Oh shag!"

No, leave him be

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

What would they like to say, but can't Shag? Is it political correctness causing this, or just much needed hate crime law?"

Yes, I'd like to know what people think the problem is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh shag!

No, leave him be"

Done

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Either by omission or inclusion I'm usually able to say what I mean .....

So when I say that a slight inclination of the cranium is as adequate as a spasmodic movement of one optic to an equine quadruped utterly devoid of any visionary capacity, when I mean a nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse, I could of course be bluffing.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

What would they like to say, but can't Shag? Is it political correctness causing this, or just much needed hate crime law?"
I reckon it is a mix of it, but noone dares to say anything about the immigration and that women get attacked by them, if they did, they would be labelled, that is why they would do much better under a reign of usa's free speech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Usually followed by the words 'wow, just wow' from some oversensitive and weak minded fool

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

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"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

What would they like to say, but can't Shag? Is it political correctness causing this, or just much needed hate crime law?I reckon it is a mix of it, but noone dares to say anything about the immigration and that women get attacked by them, if they did, they would be labelled, that is why they would do much better under a reign of usa's free speech."

It is us as individuals who are defining political correctness though - as there haven't been any political correctness laws. (I'm doubting Sweden had any).

Are the anti-PC brigade against equality, ceasing hate crimes, or just what is their gripe?

Thanks for the giggle, Soxy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason."

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh God....

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled."

You mean white men can't say what they like...they did that for centuries

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted."

These comments are fine but we're putting words in peoples' mouths.

I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was always under the impression that it mainly involved not being a total cunt to other people, but I'm now reliably informed it's gone mad and is the cause of all that's wrong in the world, which is quite an achievement.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please"

I think that peoples perception of what is and what isn't PC is the problem. Not sure if that's what you're after, but its an empty phrase, used by people who disagree with others opinions, but can't articulate why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

I think the point is that women get attacked by immigrants and non immigrants and there are immigrants and non immigrants who don't attack people . It's not 'pc' to ask that an entire group of people are not judged by a fews actions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think PC is a problem because it introduces a strain of anti-intellectualism and an unwillingness to talk about or even acknowledge certain things.

It is a regression to the mean for opinions and ways of thinking.

There is also PC by force... Twitter shame mobs etc which in my view is a form of vigilantantism

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

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"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted.

These comments are fine but we're putting words in peoples' mouths.

I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please"

Do you think that they hang out somewhere else Joe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in favour of truth above all else, real statistics used properly and not the agenda driven lies, damn lies and creatively edited facts that are used to in the media and elsewhere

For example, if immigrants are seen to be causing more rape get the hard facts and not the agenda favourable ones and use that knowledge to guide your decision...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

It is us as individuals who are defining political correctness though - as there haven't been any political correctness laws. (I'm doubting Sweden had any).

Are the anti-PC brigade against equality, ceasing hate crimes, or just what is their gripe?

Thanks for the giggle, Soxy

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No not us, it's the authorities fear to take action which is down to political correctness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, it is very bad and a blueprint is how it turnout out in sweden as feminists are governing there and noone can say what they really want without being labelled.

You mean white men can't say what they like...they did that for centuries "
Not just white, but everyone you know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted.

These comments are fine but we're putting words in peoples' mouths.

I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please"

For me it would be due to how terms/phrases change suddenly and they are no longer considered politically correct to use them. This especially takes into the account of the older generation, many times I've heard the term 'half caste', but it's not politically correct to use this term it should be 'dual heritage' now.

Who determines what is politically correct and what isn't? How does it get spread across an entire population for them all to know? Why is it always changing? Why do certain terms get frowned upon, changed and then frowned upon again? It seems we're in a society that will have some minority that will not be happy and want terms/phrases changed, but how long does it go on for until no more is said?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed kimi

And after all they are only words.. Not sticks stones bricks or bombs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please

That's a neat encapsulation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread needs more jazz hands

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted.

These comments are fine but we're putting words in peoples' mouths.

I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please

Half caste is offensive because it means half of one class and half of another as if one of their races is 'below' the other . I don't think it's pc to ask people not to use that term

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted.

These comments are fine but we're putting words in peoples' mouths.

I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please

Do you think that they hang out somewhere else Joe? "

Mostly downstairs...

Worth a shot tho'

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

"The problem with PC is that the phrase is now overused to the point that anyone trying to change what they perceive is bad in this society is accused of it without reason.

'What they perceive' being the focal point there

Well spotted.

These comments are fine but we're putting words in peoples' mouths.

I'd like to hear from people who think PC is a problem and why they think that.

Please

If we go by the term half caste you have to look at the origins of that term to understand why it might be considered offensive and those pesky minorities would wish it to be changed. Caste derives from the latin of pure. There is also the caste system as well. Implying that a person is a lesser being is not a great thing.

Just because something has been done previously and historically it doesn't make it right. I could list numerous examples of things where 'Oh but it was that way before, why can't it stay that way?' is a poor reason Yes, the older generations loved and still love using it but that's merely from widely accepted ignorance and a privileged background of it not being used in an insulting manner.

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race."

I was going to say that too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Half caste is offensive because it means half of one class and half of another as if one of their races is 'below' the other . I don't think it's pc to ask people not to use that term

This is a prime example for my argument... You have assigned a meaning to this word that may not be the same intended meaning as someone else using it (in good faith) to simple mean of mixed heritage or whatever the correct term is

You have assigned a negative connotation to a word others use innocently

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's brilliant, I no longer open doors for woman, I don't give up my seat on public transport for them and I don't feel guilty about pushing ahead of them in queues, let's have more I say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Half caste is offensive because it means half of one class and half of another as if one of their races is 'below' the other . I don't think it's pc to ask people not to use that term

You have assigned a negative connotation to a word others use innocently "

I haven't 'assigned' anything. That's what it actually means !

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"This thread needs more jazz hands "

Go on then - get in the cam room and show us some

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

Half caste is offensive because it means half of one class and half of another as if one of their races is 'below' the other . I don't think it's pc to ask people not to use that term

You have assigned a negative connotation to a word others use innocently

I haven't 'assigned' anything. That's what it actually means !"

The negative connotation has long existed, it's only become more commonplacs due to ignorance and acceptable racism diluted through the ages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There has to be an allowance for context also

'Cunt' can be friendly banter between friends or a vicious insult between strangers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Half caste is offensive because it means half of one class and half of another as if one of their races is 'below' the other . I don't think it's pc to ask people not to use that term

You have assigned a negative connotation to a word others use innocently "

But what's wrong with saying to that person who is using it innocently, hang on a minute, I'd prefer you didn't describe me that way, could you use "x" instead?

I have a load of mixed race cousins. My 80 year old grandma stopped using the term half caste when they said to her that they didn't like it because it made them feel "lesser" and like they didn't fit in to either the white or the black parts of the family. She obviously didn't mean it that way, but that's how they felt, so she was happy to start using a more neutral term like mixed race instead. Where's the problem with any of that? It may not be bombs and stones, but if terminology hurts or denigrates someone and it's easily changed, I don't see the argument for not changing it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The negative connotation has long existed, it's only become more commonplacs due to ignorance and acceptable racism diluted through the ages."

But yet it takes a different meaning with the older generation?

You are stretching it too thin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Half caste is offensive because it means half of one class and half of another as if one of their races is 'below' the other . I don't think it's pc to ask people not to use that term

You have assigned a negative connotation to a word others use innocently

But what's wrong with saying to that person who is using it innocently, hang on a minute, I'd prefer you didn't describe me that way, could you use "x" instead?

100% agree. I will politely point out to someone who uses that term in front of me that it's offensive and explain why. If they continue to use it knowing its history then that's not innocence it's being offensive

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There's something here from wikipedia, a take on the Dixie Chicks and the Iraq War -

'In 2003, Dixie Chicks, a U.S. country music group, criticized the then U.S. President George W. Bush for launching the war against Iraq.[85] They were criticized[86] and labeled "treasonous" by some U.S. right-wing commentators (including Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly).[23] Three years later, claiming that at the time "a virulent strain of right wing political correctness [had] all but shut down debate about the war in Iraq," journalist Don Williams wrote that "[the ongoing] campaign against the Chicks represents political correctness run amok" and observed, "the ugliest form of political correctness occurs whenever there's a war on.

http://www.mach2.com/williams/index.php?t=1&c=20060602120901

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not too bothered with changing individual words and that happens naturally if the meaning involves into something unsavoury

I'm more concerned with concepts and ideas and the general 'wow just wow he didn't just say that' style of PC that hampers debate and free thinking

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

The negative connotation has long existed, it's only become more commonplacs due to ignorance and acceptable racism diluted through the ages.

But yet it takes a different meaning with the older generation?

You are stretching it too thin "

No, it doesn't. It still relates back to the original meaning. Those of the older generation were around when it was used in various apartheid related incidents, acts that were passed etc. It's just commonly accepted ignorance that's not been challenged until recently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not too bothered with changing individual words and that happens naturally if the meaning involves into something unsavoury

I'm more concerned with concepts and ideas and the general 'wow just wow he didn't just say that' style of PC that hampers debate and free thinking

What kind of concepts and ideas ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly that kind of thing Sophie

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By *ophieslut OP TV/TS
over a year ago

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How our language evolves is very interesting and its speed has probably escalated, now that we're exposed to global media more increasingly.

I think it's generally reasonable to expect that people adapt their usage, where things do affect others, upsetting them etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pacifism for one

Might hurt the feelings of those who dedicated their lives to fighting pointless wars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its purely for politics. Nobody should have to put up with discrimination. But the governments have used this to their advantage cos of social media. Before social media government did nothing to exterminate discrimination. Now they use it as platforms. They want people at each others throats rather than government throats cos they are all been found out as corrupt so its a smoke screen but a huge one that'll last for decades.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only things I have issue with are more the knock on effects - things like signs and leaflets being printed in multiple languages.

But mostly I prefer PC to the alternative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its purely for politics. Nobody should have to put up with discrimination. But the governments have used this to their advantage cos of social media. Before social media government did nothing to exterminate discrimination. Now they use it as platforms. They want people at each others throats rather than government throats cos they are all been found out as corrupt so its a smoke screen but a huge one that'll last for decades. "

Bollocks. We had lectures on it in 1990 - 'man holes' should be 'people holes' and so on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks. We had lectures on it in 1990 - 'man holes' should be 'people holes' and so on."

Did government do anything about it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's turn thing inside out for the sake of argument...

I'm a young man amongst a group planning a terrorist attack in a totally different culture. It would be very non PC of me at the time to pipe up and say 'hang on a minute lads, they are humans who eat, shit and bleed just like us'

Would I offend the sensibilities of the group?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks. We had lectures on it in 1990 - 'man holes' should be 'people holes' and so on.

Did government do anything about it? "

What??

Oh, I see. The government invented Instagram to sow the seeds of civil unrest. Doh, silly me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's turn thing inside out for the sake of argument...

Would I offend the sensibilities of the group? "

To which I imagine they'd reply "That's how we know we can kill them and scare them shitless."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks. We had lectures on it in 1990 - 'man holes' should be 'people holes' and so on.

Did government do anything about it?

What??

Oh, I see. The government invented Instagram to sow the seeds of civil unrest. Doh, silly me."

Yes silly you, twisting context. You missed the whole point get a brain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks. We had lectures on it in 1990 - 'man holes' should be 'people holes' and so on.

Did government do anything about it?

What??

Oh, I see. The government invented Instagram to sow the seeds of civil unrest. Doh, silly me.

Yes silly you, twisting context. You missed the whole point get a brain. "

As I don't have one, you'll need to explain it. Because I can't see any point other than a nonsense conspiracy theory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks. We had lectures on it in 1990 - 'man holes' should be 'people holes' and so on.

Did government do anything about it?

What??

Oh, I see. The government invented Instagram to sow the seeds of civil unrest. Doh, silly me.

Yes silly you, twisting context. You missed the whole point get a brain.

As I don't have one, you'll need to explain it. Because I can't see any point other than a nonsense conspiracy theory."

Its a conspiracy theory that government did nothing about discrimination before the rise of social media?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a coach and so have to be very careful with what I say (to be honest it does my head in) to give you a ridiculous example, if I'm playing a tag game with the kids I have to refer to the tagging person I choose as 'the tagger, or 'the chaser' not supposed to use 'it' as it's considered a derogatory term for an individual and might upset their sensibilities....

Guess what the kids call the tagger ....

Yep, those tree-hugging, wanked-up politically correct, simpletons who come up with this stuff live in a world of their own!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a conspiracy theory that government did nothing about discrimination before the rise of social media? "

I admire that you can say that with a straight face, followed by the 'get a brain' slur

but still nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its a conspiracy theory that government did nothing about discrimination before the rise of social media?

I admire that you can say that with a straight face, followed by the 'get a brain' slur

but still nonsense."

That's a great answer. You really put me in my place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a coach and so have to be very careful with what I say (to be honest it does my head in) to give you a ridiculous example, if I'm playing a tag game with the kids I have to refer to the tagging person I choose as 'the tagger, or 'the chaser' not supposed to use 'it' as it's considered a derogatory term for an individual and might upset their sensibilities....

Guess what the kids call the tagger ....

Yep, those tree-hugging, wanked-up politically correct, simpletons who come up with this stuff live in a world of their own!!!"

What a lovely safe sterile world we will get to live in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Guess what the kids call the tagger ....

Yep, those tree-hugging, wanked-up politically correct, simpletons who come up with this stuff live in a world of their own!!!"

I've never heard advice like this.

I can believe some muppet misunderstood that being called 'it' might be regarded as impolite and stuck it onto a discussion on a fourth rate training session, but I can't believe anybody would take it credibly as a suggestion to change a game of tig.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In case anyone didn't get the reference earlier

This is the end game of political correctness... Avoiding perceived offense at all costs

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566202/NUS-jazz-hands-clapping-anxiety-feminists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your afraid to be labeled you've probably got a bad argument?.

If you think your point is valid just say it, if somebody doesn't like it, that's just life, don't worry about what they say, worry about what you say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too "

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I guess a better point is how do we know what is right or wrong. So many people seem to be easily offended now, more than ever before, that you have to be careful about pretty much anything you say or do, even if what was said/done was not meant to cause any disrespect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I have never been told by anyone that mixed race is offensive - but if someone told me they found it offensive then I would ask what they prefer

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I guess a better point is how do we know what is right or wrong. So many people seem to be easily offended now, more than ever before, that you have to be careful about pretty much anything you say or do, even if what was said/done was not meant to cause any disrespect."

This is PC 'gone mad'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I've never heard that about mixed race from anyone. Including all the mixed race people I know.

You don't have to be careful though. If I say something and someone says they don't like the term, and gives me a reason why, if I find the reason credible I'll use the term they suggest instead. It doesn't happen though, because it's incredibly easy not to offend or disrespect people.

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over a year ago

What if they are offended but don't want to make a fuss Ruby?

All these arbitrary rules in place of common sense and decency

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over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I have never been told by anyone that mixed race is offensive - but if someone told me they found it offensive then I would ask what they prefer "

Id say it's pretty rare that someone would approach someone and tell them their ethnicity, so I guess it more applies to an entire "group", like when you fill in forms (equality ones etc) not many have mixed race as an option now, you'll see dual heritage. Surely that would imply that somewhere along the line mixed race has been deemed inappropriate?

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over a year ago

That emoji was not meant to be added, I clicked it as it posted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What if they are offended but don't want to make a fuss Ruby?

All these arbitrary rules in place of common sense and decency

Political correctness, as I see it, can literally be boiled down to common sense and decency. It's common sense and decency that if someone says "hey, I don't like being referred to as half caste and this is why" that you would respect that and not use the term.

It's mostly bollocks whipped up by the media anyway. I work in one of those apparent bastions of political correctness gone mad, and there are no foreign translations of everything, there's still a Christmas tree, there's an England flag during the World Cup, we have 2 minute's silence on Remembrance Day....all the things that the tabloids would have you believe the "PC brigade" have outlawed. It's shite. People get offended by things that are offensive: and that's perfectly compatible with common sense and decency. There are no arbitrary PC rules out there.

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over a year ago

as someone said above,i see it as treating people with common respect and decency...but last night it made me howl when an old episode of father ted had a warning before it,never heard it before, stating some people might find some scenes offensive..don't know what they referred to..catholic priests being portrayed as dumb,d*unk,crooks, or possibly priests dressed as the 3 degrees..or the blatant disrepect shown to the menmory of elvis..no idea, but made the episode even funnier to me!

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over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I have never been told by anyone that mixed race is offensive - but if someone told me they found it offensive then I would ask what they prefer

They don't have "dual heritage" either, at least not the ones I've seen recently. The forms tend to have more specific options about which races. A bit like they now often ask you to specify White-British as opposed to white-eastern European or whatever.

I'll happily stand corrected if someone tells me that mixed race isn't an acceptable term. But I'm fairly sure it is.

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over a year ago

"What if they are offended but don't want to make a fuss Ruby?

All these arbitrary rules in place of common sense and decency

exactly!! it's only a matter of days before the annual daily mail story saying councils have banned xmas appears again!

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over a year ago

"What if they are offended but don't want to make a fuss Ruby?

All these arbitrary rules in place of common sense and decency

Common sense and decency didn't stop 'love thy neighbour' or 'till death do us part' from being seen as completely acceptable mainstream entertainment. I'm sure the producers at no point intended to cause offence.

Would you be comfortable with them repeat screening those programmes because the intention was humour?

Political correctness has been about education. Some people simply do not like the embarrassment caused when they are shown to be ignorant.

Common sense is learnt. Some people just don't have the decency to keep up to speed.

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over a year ago

"What if they are offended but don't want to make a fuss Ruby?

All these arbitrary rules in place of common sense and decency

Would you be comfortable with them repeat screening those programmes because the intention was humour?

Political correctness has been about education. Some people simply do not like the embarrassment caused when they are shown to be ignorant.

Common sense is learnt. Some people just don't have the decency to keep up to speed.

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I have never been told by anyone that mixed race is offensive - but if someone told me they found it offensive then I would ask what they prefer

I'll happily stand corrected if someone tells me that mixed race isn't an acceptable term. But I'm fairly sure it is."

I've yet to see one of those dual heritage forms. I'm genuinely interested to see one.

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over a year ago

"as someone said above,i see it as treating people with common respect and decency...but last night it made me howl when an old episode of father ted had a warning before it,never heard it before, stating some people might find some scenes offensive..don't know what they referred to..catholic priests being portrayed as dumb,d*unk,crooks, or possibly priests dressed as the 3 degrees..or the blatant disrepect shown to the menmory of elvis..no idea, but made the episode even funnier to me!"

But but but it's a slur against my race and should be banned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well if it had been left to Ed milliband or the rest.... You'd never had seen it again!

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

They get right on my tits,

mainly due to the 50 year olds

wearing bobble hats,and their old college or

university scarfs,

and They never polish their

shoes,nor brush their hair.

They don't look like they can read,and still they always seem to have some kind of pseudo intellectual book under one arm.

And an old leather brief case under the other.

grrrrrrr,oh did I say,they get right on my tits.

Oops nearly forgot,

occasionally they post a loaded thread.

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over a year ago

"Oh and dual heritage? No, ta. I'm not. I prefer mixed race.

I was going to say that too

But there are many that frown at the term 'mixed race', as they state there is only one race, the human race, so how can it be mixed?

I have never been told by anyone that mixed race is offensive - but if someone told me they found it offensive then I would ask what they prefer

I'll happily stand corrected if someone tells me that mixed race isn't an acceptable term. But I'm fairly sure it is."

If it's acceptable to you then that is all that matters. It has been explained earlier in the thread that for some the belief is that there is only one human race. If you believe in multiple human races then you are correct. You may offend someone but at least you can articulate why. You're statement is no longer one being made in ignorance.

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over a year ago

Blackie what you said there describes my stance but I'm confused... You seem to be for PC censorship etc?

If it is acceptable to me and I can explain why... Then it's OK?

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over a year ago

Blackspice sorry mixed your name up

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"What if they are offended but don't want to make a fuss Ruby?

All these arbitrary rules in place of common sense and decency

Would you be comfortable with them repeat screening those programmes because the intention was humour?

Political correctness has been about education. Some people simply do not like the embarrassment caused when they are shown to be ignorant.

Common sense is learnt. Some people just don't have the decency to keep up to speed.

this..

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it."
Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . "

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . "
In reality there is nothing wrong with it, but with pc everything is wrong if you dont agree with the norm.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I shouldn't have looked. PC Brigade and happy to declare it.

Some of the comments on this thread just make

so stepping away.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

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In both cases the so called victim was manipulating the situation for their open Financial gain. They could easily have taken their businness else where but instead decided to use the situation to line their own pockets .

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . In reality there is nothing wrong with it, but with pc everything is wrong if you dont agree with the norm."

that is complete rubbish, a statement like that just shows no comprehension of what political correctness even means.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"I shouldn't have looked. PC Brigade and happy to declare it.

Some of the comments on this thread just make

so stepping away.

Agreed, and it can only get worse!

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

In both cases the so called victim was manipulating the situation for their open Financial gain. They could easily have taken their businness else where but instead decided to use the situation to line their own pockets .

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs . "

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs . "

So you'd be happy for me to refuse to provide you with a service because you're male and, for whatever reason, I believe that you go against my belief systems?

There's no point explaining the basics of law if you want to insist that someone's belief trumps everything.

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over a year ago

"I shouldn't have looked. PC Brigade and happy to declare it.

Some of the comments on this thread just make

so stepping away.

Agreed, and it can only get worse!"

same here..it's very depressing...and depressingly unsuprising!

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

I find politically correct people to be condescending and patronising .

For some strange reason they assume that people are unable to stand up for themselves and need the assistance of the pious and self righteous brigdade .

It is of course a nice little money spinner for those who feel offended .

Once they have received their compensation the hurt thoughts rapidly dissappear.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

So you'd be happy for me to refuse to provide you with a service because you're male and, for whatever reason, I believe that you go against my belief systems?

There's no point explaining the basics of law if you want to insist that someone's belief trumps everything.

Sometimes there can be concessions/exceptions or caveats in law though.

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . In reality there is nothing wrong with it, but with pc everything is wrong if you dont agree with the norm.

that is complete rubbish, a statement like that just shows no comprehension of what political correctness even means."
No, it is not, as it means those christians cant use their religion of who gets in because of pc.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

So you'd be happy for me to refuse to provide you with a service because you're male and, for whatever reason, I believe that you go against my belief systems?

There's no point explaining the basics of law if you want to insist that someone's belief trumps everything.

"
Yes because I respect peoples beliefs . There is freedom of choice . If you refused to take an order because you were offended , I would simply go to the next supplier .

If I was to consider complaining I would wonder what had gone wrong in my life and why I had free time to waste on trival and irrelevant matters .

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . In reality there is nothing wrong with it, but with pc everything is wrong if you dont agree with the norm.

that is complete rubbish, a statement like that just shows no comprehension of what political correctness even means.No, it is not, as it means those christians cant use their religion of who gets in because of pc."

not quite sure what that is supposed to mean, but if youre referring to the above christian bakery thing,then no, it's nothing to do with political correctness, it's to do with the law...as has been already said. Do you seriously believe people should be able to discriminate against others because they dont agree with their religious beliefs?

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over a year ago

"Blackie what you said there describes my stance but I'm confused... You seem to be for PC censorship etc?

If it is acceptable to me and I can explain why... Then it's OK?

I confess that I resorted to some sarcasm in that post, in hindsight I should not have. My point is that if someone tries to educate you on why they are offended, they choose correct scientific fact in order to do so and yet you choose to believe something else in order to remain comfortable in your stance then you are no longer ignorant of the fact you're causing an offence, your making the choice to do so.

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong. "

Went to find this:

It nails exactly how hypocritical the above two examples are when you really work it down (if you're really not simply okay with understanding the reason explanations of discrimination already) as those pushing for the freedom of religion seem to pick and choose which freedoms they want far too often...

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

“How many times did Jesus condemn homosexuality?” Diane asks the wedding planner, who fortuitously also appears to be a Biblical scholar. (Every TV show requires a little suspension of disbelief.) After the planner says Jesus never does, Diane goes on: “And how many times did Jesus condemn divorce?” “So you never planned a wedding for anyone who has been previously married?” “So your religious exemption is selective, at best.” “No more questions.”

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . In reality there is nothing wrong with it, but with pc everything is wrong if you dont agree with the norm.

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No I dont, but they should have some kind of rights too.

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"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

So you'd be happy for me to refuse to provide you with a service because you're male and, for whatever reason, I believe that you go against my belief systems?

There's no point explaining the basics of law if you want to insist that someone's belief trumps everything.

Yes because I respect peoples beliefs . There is freedom of choice . If you refused to take an order because you were offended , I would simply go to the next supplier .

If I was to consider complaining I would wonder what had gone wrong in my life and why I had free time to waste on trival and irrelevant matters . "

Yeah all those people who fought for equal rights, they just had free time to waste didn't they -- it wasn't like important or anything!!

*facepalm* most depressingly ignorant opinion of the night award....

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

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excellent!! and very very simple....which, apparently it needs to be...though i'm sure still not quite simple enough for some...

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

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excellent!! and very very simple....which, apparently it needs to be...though i'm sure still not quite simple enough for some..."

Ignorance is bliss, I'm guessing the real world is too scary so why get educated.

(Darn it I'm being stereotypically condescending and patronising -- because I'm being PC -- but they're just all so stoooooopid!)

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In my opinion, it's not political correctness that's the problem, it's the uncertain definition of the term and the fear of falling foul of "the PC brigade" should one transgress from the PC path.

In the case of the Rotherham prostitution ring, for example, many young girls suffered prolonged abuse because both the council workers and the police feared upsetting the muslim community by "over-zealous" questioning and answering. To me, those that are the bad side of "politically correct" are those that blindly follow the laws against discrimination rather than interpret them on a human level, as the situation dictates.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice ."

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"In my opinion, it's not political correctness that's the problem, it's the uncertain definition of the term and the fear of falling foul of "the PC brigade" should one transgress from the PC path.

What about those that feared upsetting Jimmy Saville? Don't blame bad policing on our anti discrimination laws.

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"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple . In reality there is nothing wrong with it, but with pc everything is wrong if you dont agree with the norm.

No I dont, but they should have some kind of rights too."

that is the point!!! they have the same rights!!

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice ."

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"In my opinion, it's not political correctness that's the problem, it's the uncertain definition of the term and the fear of falling foul of "the PC brigade" should one transgress from the PC path.

What about those that feared upsetting Jimmy Saville? Don't blame bad policing on our anti discrimination laws. "

Although he was just as bad, if not worse, it was not his race or skin colour that helped him get away with his offending.

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public."

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

End of.

"
What correlation does a TV programme have to religion. ? No issues have bèen raised concerning divorce and most churches will do a marriage for divorcees .

Some people might be advised to remember that the traditional family unit is still the norm to which most people aspire .

However lots will not achieve it through circumstances which are beyond their control .

It must however be considered to be the normal.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

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over a year ago

Most people who use the term political correctness don't actually understand what it is and seem to use the word as a go to defence 'political correctness gone mad' when their right to say something racist/hompohobix/misogynistic/sexist etc is challenged. But it says it all that instead of defending their views the need to attack the person challenging them is seen as the best defence.

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over a year ago

"In my opinion, it's not political correctness that's the problem, it's the uncertain definition of the term and the fear of falling foul of "the PC brigade" should one transgress from the PC path.

What about those that feared upsetting Jimmy Saville? Don't blame bad policing on our anti discrimination laws.

Although he was just as bad, if not worse, it was not his race or skin colour that helped him get away with his offending."

It was not the 'race' of the Rotherham prostitution ring that helped delay them facing justice, it was bad policing.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"In my opinion, it's not political correctness that's the problem, it's the uncertain definition of the term and the fear of falling foul of "the PC brigade" should one transgress from the PC path.

What about those that feared upsetting Jimmy Saville? Don't blame bad policing on our anti discrimination laws.

Although he was just as bad, if not worse, it was not his race or skin colour that helped him get away with his offending.

It was not the 'race' of the Rotherham prostitution ring that helped delay them facing justice, it was bad policing. "

That is very true and 100% on the money and the same could be said for Jimmy Savile

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over a year ago

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

End of.

What correlation does a TV programme have to religion. ? No issues have bèen raised concerning divorce and most churches will do a marriage for divorcees .

Some people might be advised to remember that the traditional family unit is still the norm to which most people aspire .

However lots will not achieve it through circumstances which are beyond their control .

It must however be considered to be the normal. "

Must it?

Some people might be advised to remember that they might have their views as to what they might aspire to and that others might think they are .... wrong. And that the law might just agree they're wrong on this one.

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?"

A commercial business must operate within the law.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law. "

So would the above be within the law?

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?"

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... "
If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

Luckily the bakery concerned have had tremendous support from the local community and are admired for standing up for their religious beliefs . If anything the publicity has made people more determined to support the bakery and their belief in family values .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

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over a year ago

I am not sure whether there is anything one can't really say about or to others. There are laws protecting people from discrimination and so on, also I know (as an example) it is illegal to deny the holocaust and invite hatred towards Jews. And rightly so.

Im the Victoria Derbyshire programme today, they were discussing discrimination against people with facial disfigurements. One young lady cited the use of the term 'mong' as being particularly hurtful. I immediately thought of the non-pc lot - so a question for those who rail against those who are in favour of political correctness.

Are negative, destructive terms like this ever acceptable and, does that make those of us abhor them 'the pc brigade?'

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire. "

Not 'family values' again?! Please God no...

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

End of.

What correlation does a TV programme have to religion. ? No issues have bèen raised concerning divorce and most churches will do a marriage for divorcees .

Some people might be advised to remember that the traditional family unit is still the norm to which most people aspire .

However lots will not achieve it through circumstances which are beyond their control .

It must however be considered to be the normal.

Must it?

"
However the law is generally considered to be an ass.

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire. "

Please can you provide clear evidence of which case you're referencing? I'm using a theoretical case to explain discrimination-- you may be using another case with information I'm not aware of as to why it wasn't a case of discrimination.

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"If this is one of your pet subjects - it's not one of mine - what are the bad things that political correctness has sprung upon you? I'm not aware of any laws, for example, that include this term, so it does bemuse me, when the daily fail etc cover it. Christian bakers being taken to court for refusing to bake a cake celebrating gay rights . A Christian guest house owner being taken to court for refusing accommodation to a gay couple .

That's not political correctness it was breaches of law. The fact that people don't understand the difference between the law and how to speak to people with respect shouldn't surprise me and yet...

You're usually such a stalwart for the 'successful' people who 'lead' the country and set the laws of the land.

The law needs amending if this is the case as people should not be forced to go against their Christian beliefs .

I'd refer you to a good episode of the Good Wife which actually explained nicely why you're wrong.

Went to find this:

From the Good Wife where they debated the cake scenario and that of a wedding planner refusing to do the wedding of two gay guys: (legal tv drama)

End of.

What correlation does a TV programme have to religion. ? No issues have bèen raised concerning divorce and most churches will do a marriage for divorcees .

Some people might be advised to remember that the traditional family unit is still the norm to which most people aspire .

However lots will not achieve it through circumstances which are beyond their control .

It must however be considered to be the normal.

Must it?

However the law is generally considered to be an ass. "

Not just the law...

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

"I am not sure whether there is anything one can't really say about or to others. There are laws protecting people from discrimination and so on, also I know (as an example) it is illegal to deny the holocaust and invite hatred towards Jews. And rightly so.

Are negative, destructive terms like this ever acceptable and, does that make those of us abhor them 'the pc brigade?'

"
I do not think anyone would allow the terms which you quote to be used .

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

? "

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

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over a year ago

Are negative, destructive terms like this ever acceptable and, does that make those of us abhor them 'the pc brigade?'

I do not think anyone would allow the terms which you quote to be used . "

So, political correctness is therefore a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

I'm not sure how a baker turning away a couple based on their sexuality compares to you inadvertantly buying halal food?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

I'm not sure how a baker turning away a couple based on their sexuality compares to you inadvertantly buying halal food?"

Maybe if you;d been turned away for not being muslim your analogy would make more sense?

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Are negative, destructive terms like this ever acceptable and, does that make those of us abhor them 'the pc brigade?'

I do not think anyone would allow the terms which you quote to be used .

So, political correctness is therefore a good thing."

only if you are able to grasp what it means...if you lack the intellect to do that,then apparently it's a terrible scourge on your right to be an ignorant bigot.

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

That's a great question! I don't immediately know the answer but am going to do some investigating. Ooooh thanks, I like that example.

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

Well that's clear then!! Can you clarify?

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

"
A very interesting question and one which I was thinking of asking but could not phase it properly . I did not want to offend the politically correct brigade by using the wrong terminology )

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

A very interesting question and one which I was thinking of asking but could not phase it properly . I did not want to offend the politically correct brigade by using the wrong terminology )"

Lol!!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

I'm not sure how a baker turning away a couple based on their sexuality compares to you inadvertantly buying halal food?"

I wasn't asking for Halal food...Just unaware that the menu items were only avaialable in non Halal shops.

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

Im not old enough to remember this, however I've recently seen on a documentary about black migration in the 50s that b and bs and other types of establishments used to have signs reading:

"No Dogs, Blacks or Irish"

Things like this necessitated the need for the Race Relations Act and expressly forbid this type of discrimination.

The bakery you cite effectively had this mindset again guys and non heterosexuals. We have the Human Rights Act which expressly forbids discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

Which one would you repeal?

Also, would you so vehemently defend a business that stated:

No Swingers or people who have sex with more than one partner?

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

Well that's clear then!! Can you clarify? "

Do you mean Ashers?

The Christian owners of a Northern Ireland bakery have lost their appeal against a ruling that their refusal to make a "gay cake" was discriminatory.

Appeal court judges said that, under law, the bakers were not allowed to provide a service only to people who agreed with their religious beliefs.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

A very interesting question and one which I was thinking of asking but could not phase it properly . I did not want to offend the politically correct brigade by using the wrong terminology )

Lol!!"

It's not meant to offend, it was a genuine question!

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over a year ago

If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire. "

Your post is factually incorrect. The law is clear. No commercial business trading in the UK and offering a service to the general public can use discrimination as part of the process they use in choosing which clients they will do business with. It is clear.

What do you think has backfired? The person discriminated against is backed by the law and therefore the State. They've been vindicated.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Exactly this -- thank you, saved me typing it. Go watch the episode it covers all of the points about the fact it's a commercial business which is why you can't discriminate -- it's different than your right to freedom of choice in your personal life, say inviting the divorced guy to your birthday party but not the gays... If someone wishes to run a commercial businness no one has any right to instuct them who they may or may not have as a client if a client or customer requests an activity which goes against the religious belief of the owner .

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

Im not old enough to remember this, however I've recently seen on a documentary about black migration in the 50s that b and bs and other types of establishments used to have signs reading:

"No Dogs, Blacks or Irish"

Things like this necessitated the need for the Race Relations Act and expressly forbid this type of discrimination.

The bakery you cite effectively had this mindset again guys and non heterosexuals. We have the Human Rights Act which expressly forbids discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

Which one would you repeal?

Also, would you so vehemently defend a business that stated:

No Swingers or people who have sex with more than one partner? "
Why would anyone be bothered if a businness refused to serve swingers ? You would simply take your businness elsewhere.

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

I'm not sure how a baker turning away a couple based on their sexuality compares to you inadvertantly buying halal food?

I wasn't asking for Halal food...Just unaware that the menu items were only avaialable in non Halal shops."

Subway is a franchise. In predominantly asian and/or muslim areas some stores offer halal alternatives instead of or as well as non halal items

What has that got to do with political correctness? They aren;t refusing to serve anybody.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

What do you think has backfired? The person discriminated against is backed by the law and therefore the State. They've been vindicated. "
However the local community backed the bakery so they have a moral victory ..

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over a year ago

Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

I'm not sure how a baker turning away a couple based on their sexuality compares to you inadvertantly buying halal food?

I wasn't asking for Halal food...Just unaware that the menu items were only avaialable in non Halal shops."

"In the United Kingdom and Ireland, fewer than 200 out of 1,500 Subway sandwich franchises conform to Muslim dietary restrictions: their meat suppliers are certified halal, and no pork products are used. Instead, those locations use turkey products to substitute for ham and bacon. Halal stores are clearly identified by signs throughout, including on the menu panels and in the front windows."

Perhaps they still advertise their other branches within the halal stores, or perhaps they did have advertising up which you missed, or perhaps they had the wrong advertising up and you missed out -- but no more than a restaurant running out of a particular dish etc. And you weren't being singled out (as mentioned further up) or discriminated against because of your protected characteristic. So just note that some subways are halal!

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over a year ago

"In my opinion, it's not political correctness that's the problem, it's the uncertain definition of the term and the fear of falling foul of "the PC brigade" should one transgress from the PC path.

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over a year ago

It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

What do you think has backfired? The person discriminated against is backed by the law and therefore the State. They've been vindicated. However the local community backed the bakery so they have a moral victory ..

No. They just get to hang out and be offensive together! You sound like you've resorted to going "na na na na nahhh na" -- it's pretty amusing, albeit childish.

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It is called freedom of choice .

If a businness made too many unacceptable decisions they would go under .

I dont think the same can be said of the person who believed that they were discriminated against.

Sometimes being too pious and self righteous can badly backfire.

that would depend on what you consider 'moral' i guess..personally i think discrimination is pretty immoral..

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

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Yes . And why should religious exemption not be selective? It is a question of freedom of choice .

There is a freedom of choice. The choice is not to run a business offering a service to the general public.

Can a commercial business choose what products they sell and to whom?

A commercial business must operate within the law.

So would the above be within the law?

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

I'm not sure how a baker turning away a couple based on their sexuality compares to you inadvertantly buying halal food?

I wasn't asking for Halal food...Just unaware that the menu items were only avaialable in non Halal shops.

Subway is a franchise. In predominantly asian and/or muslim areas some stores offer halal alternatives instead of or as well as non halal items

What has that got to do with political correctness? They aren;t refusing to serve anybody. "

I didn't say it was, it was just an example of being refused a bacon butty from a shop that usually sells them.

The point That I didn't get is why is it ok to refuse to sell me a BMT when it was shown on the menu.

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over a year ago

The reason that I asked is that earlier in the thread the case of the gay wedding cake refusal was highlighted.

Could you tell me the difference between this and being refused an Italian BMT or a BLT Subway sandwich in a Halal operated Subway shop?

This actually happened to me. I didn't know it was a Halal only shop and the Italian BMT was shown on the menu

Please clarify. Are you suggesting that you were refused service specifically because of your (percieved) religion?