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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Who here is a better than average driver?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I took and passed the IAM advanced driving test 20 years ago and as a result I am constatnly monitoring my own driving and aiming to be as safe as possible.

I wouldn't consider myself an excellent driver, but, by the very fact that I continue to strive to improve and take positive steps to do so, I would considermyself better than average.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amateur rally driver here.. fast as fuck.

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By *r_PinkMan
over a year ago

london stratford

Been a mini cab driver. Been a courier, removal man (the driver)& now I'm a scrap man (yes, I drive every day for work) and yes, I consider myself a good driver.

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By *umpty dumptyMan
over a year ago

birmingham

Hgv lorry driver here so if you like big I'm here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drive the boys & girls here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would think most would place themselves in the above average bracket.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably average, I do a lot of driving but have to drive a lot steadier these days due to all the extra weight I lug around....speed bumps are a real pain now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably average, I do a lot of driving but have to drive a lot steadier these days due to all the extra weight I lug around....speed bumps are a real pain now "

i imagine you have a heavy arse that likes to step out round the corners too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Probably average, I do a lot of driving but have to drive a lot steadier these days due to all the extra weight I lug around....speed bumps are a real pain now

i imagine you have a heavy arse that likes to step out round the corners too "

I've never thought to add it all up....

Subs - 35kg each so 70kg

Batteries- 25kg each so 50kg

Amp -15kg

Sub enclosure - probably around 25kg

Think there's 18m of 50mm cable too so that will be a bit.

Plus 6mm if deadening all round.

So yeah....it's heavy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If in doubt flat out..

I see snow as playtime...advantages of growing up in the Highlands.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"I took and passed the IAM advanced driving test 20 years ago and as a result I am constatnly monitoring my own driving and aiming to be as safe as possible.

I wouldn't consider myself an excellent driver, but, by the very fact that I continue to strive to improve and take positive steps to do so, I would considermyself better than average.

"

this; when you do "advanced " driving training, one of the key things you go away with is to constantly self- evaluate. Most of us do a " refresher " session with an instructor every so often to pick up the bad habits that emerge ( if you do ROSPA you have to retake your advanced test every 3 years anyway to stay current)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i can drive ...but i dont drive as i know i am a danger to the roads

totally not confident ....so stay clear

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

In work I drive aircraft pushback tugs, used to push aircraft around an airport.

Considering those aircraft have passengers on, I would say I am above average in work.

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By *ictor SpongeMan
over a year ago

Stokesley

I haven't crashed yet. I seem to just miss all the crashes as they all seem to happen behind me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i can drive ...but i dont drive as i know i am a danger to the roads

totally not confident ....so stay clear "

Don't blame yourself for other people crashing while they are admiring you

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

I'm a terrible driver sometimes according to other people.

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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago

a quandary, could you change my mind?

I'm sure I'm better than average, lots of people wave to say Hi every day.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area


"I'm sure I'm better than average, lots of people wave to say Hi every day. "

I hope you don't take your hand off the steering wheel to wave back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive for Waitrose, so of course I'm above average; I'm middle class

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

Opinions about driving are really subjective. How many men are going to say that they are not better than average? Very few.

We've got some responses saying they drive this or that and they obviously think they are better drivers. Well, skillful doesn't mean better. Every day we see lorry drivers who are no doubt skillful and the ability is there but they are dreadful drivers on the road.

On the other hand we have a lady who has given a modest answer which may indicate her less than skillful ability but her consideration, lawful driving may make her a better driver in other peoples' minds.

All a bit subjective.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a licence that covers me to drive any vehicle permitted on UK roads .....

But ask me to reverse an articulated lorry and my arse crack fills with sweat and I lose all ability to accomplish the task with any degree of competence...

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By *ikeferretMan
over a year ago

glenrothes

I was a tank driver. And a instructor

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea

Me cos I take the bus

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Opinions about driving are really subjective. How many men are going to say that they are not better than average? Very few.

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That's right because just basic maths means any man can say he is above average, as he is going to be in the top 50% of the overall population

MrB

*drops ipad, runs and hides*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Amateur rally driver here.. fast as fuck."

Ooh I do enjoy a rally, even in the cold & wet. Off to Rockingham next weekend

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Me. I let people in and across the road when it doesn't impede. I also don't hold traffic up, use my phone or constantly sit on my brakes. Do I pass?

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia


"Me. I let people in and across the road when it doesn't impede. I also don't hold traffic up, use my phone or constantly sit on my brakes. Do I pass?"

Maybe, but I can use my phone, do a hand signal and eat a sandwich while negotiating traffic during the rush hour, so that makes me better than average.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the things I miss the most is havin a car but they are just too expensive these days for me to have one. Xxx

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville


"Me. I let people in and across the road when it doesn't impede. I also don't hold traffic up, use my phone or constantly sit on my brakes. Do I pass?

Maybe, but I can use my phone, do a hand signal and eat a sandwich while negotiating traffic during the rush hour, so that makes me better than average."

Walking in a group at lunch hour doesn't count

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"Opinions about driving are really subjective. How many men are going to say that they are not better than average? Very few.

We've got some responses saying they drive this or that and they obviously think they are better drivers. Well, skillful doesn't mean better. Every day we see lorry drivers who are no doubt skillful and the ability is there but they are dreadful drivers on the road.

On the other hand we have a lady who has given a modest answer which may indicate her less than skillful ability but her consideration, lawful driving may make her a better driver in other peoples' minds.

All a bit subjective.

"

This

The "best " driver is the one who knows their limitations and drives safely within them

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"Amateur rally driver here.. fast as fuck."

Sol:Tyrone's done a rally driving course, aint you tyrone?

Tyrone: Course I have

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By *BW star and DocCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

There's two ways of driving. The normal way and the carers way!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who here is a better than average driver? "

...how long is a piece of string though?....

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"Who here is a better than average driver? "

It depends on what you say the average is.

I personally feel the level of driving in general is decreasing. Less and less people seem to be capable of being aware of others. More and more are trying to get everywhere so quickly you would think their lives depended on it.

I feel I drive consistently and with consideration to others. I study the road ahead and take action early. I don't race up behind the car in front at roundabouts which allow.s others to filter. I drive within my ability and those of the car and conditions. But most of all I enjoy driving and as such try to have a nice calm relax experience when I drive.

If that makes better than average then I would say I am. If not then no worries.

In response to the IAM and ROSPA comment. A ex-police driving instructor said the ROSPA system was a better standard as you have to renew it every three years.

He also assessed me at the same as a class 1 police driver.

So you make you judgement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My driving, particularly my parking, ain't what it was.

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia


"Who here is a better than average driver?

It depends on what you say the average is.

I personally feel the level of driving in general is decreasing. Less and less people seem to be capable of being aware of others. More and more are trying to get everywhere so quickly you would think their lives depended on it.

I feel I drive consistently and with consideration to others. I study the road ahead and take action early. I don't race up behind the car in front at roundabouts which allow.s others to filter. I drive within my ability and those of the car and conditions. But most of all I enjoy driving and as such try to have a nice calm relax experience when I drive.

If that makes better than average then I would say I am. If not then no worries.

In response to the IAM and ROSPA comment. A ex-police driving instructor said the ROSPA system was a better standard as you have to renew it every three years.

He also assessed me at the same as a class 1 police driver.

So you make you judgement."

I'm very familiar with the police method of driving and I wouldn't say that class 1 drivers are particularly worthy of note. The police system is very outdated, the system was devised with old 1930's 40's Wolsey type cars with antiquated steering and braking. Many RoSPA and IAM guys would agree that it is outdated and unsuited for modern vehicles and traffic, but like a lot of other things, the old Bill won't change it. I've been with "class 1" drivers who were not that good and some who were brilliant, the grading is really meaningless.

It's attitude, courtesy and consideration before one gets behind the wheel that is so important but lacking today.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


"Who here is a better than average driver?

It depends on what you say the average is.

I personally feel the level of driving in general is decreasing. Less and less people seem to be capable of being aware of others. More and more are trying to get everywhere so quickly you would think their lives depended on it.

I feel I drive consistently and with consideration to others. I study the road ahead and take action early. I don't race up behind the car in front at roundabouts which allow.s others to filter. I drive within my ability and those of the car and conditions. But most of all I enjoy driving and as such try to have a nice calm relax experience when I drive.

If that makes better than average then I would say I am. If not then no worries.

In response to the IAM and ROSPA comment. A ex-police driving instructor said the ROSPA system was a better standard as you have to renew it every three years.

He also assessed me at the same as a class 1 police driver.

So you make you judgement.

I'm very familiar with the police method of driving and I wouldn't say that class 1 drivers are particularly worthy of note. The police system is very outdated, the system was devised with old 1930's 40's Wolsey type cars with antiquated steering and braking. Many RoSPA and IAM guys would agree that it is outdated and unsuited for modern vehicles and traffic, but like a lot of other things, the old Bill won't change it. I've been with "class 1" drivers who were not that good and some who were brilliant, the grading is really meaningless.

It's attitude, courtesy and consideration before one gets behind the wheel that is so important but lacking today."

Interesting what you said about the police having an outdated system. As far as I am aware it has been updated as times have changed. And the police handbook is thebook which a lot of RoSPA drivers use to prepare them for assessment. I would like to understand why you feel it is outdated?

Anyway the main issue with driving standards today is the lack of spatial awareness and the conditions of the traffic and the road around them. To many drivers do not know who is around them or how much space they need and how to drive without impacting on others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a male therefore I am automatically above average at many things, driving, diy etc!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love driving, I can reverse park also

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull


"Who here is a better than average driver? "

I drive around 50000 miles a year and seem to do ok

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

Interesting what you said about the police having an outdated system. As far as I am aware it has been updated as times have changed. And the police handbook is thebook which a lot of RoSPA drivers use to prepare them for assessment. I would like to understand why you feel it is outdated?

OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:

Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.

Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.

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By *callycatMan
over a year ago

Mid Wales

I'm pretty confident one day I'll be almost as good as Reginald Molehusband

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire


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OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:

Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.

Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method."

Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.

Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

Those who class themselves as being better drivers than average are usually the ones who are actually the worst drivers

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia


"Those who class themselves as being better drivers than average are usually the ones who are actually the worst drivers"

Yes, agreed. It's called arrogance.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"

OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:

Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.

Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.

Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.

Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?"

If you are concerned with " push pull " steering, or the combination of brakes/ gears for speed control; then you have completely missed the point about advanced driving;

The point about advanced driving is

Anticipation;

Observation;

Planning ;

Information ( TUG -Take, Use, Give)

Positioning/ view

Correct use of gears for maximum flexibility;

IPSGA

Smoothness,

It doesnt matter a damn which philosophy of gears/ brakes you use.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd say slightly above average as I drive a car and also a motorbike so more aware what's going on around

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By *atcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia


"

OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:

Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.

Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.

Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.

Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?

If you are concerned with " push pull " steering, or the combination of brakes/ gears for speed control; then you have completely missed the point about advanced driving;

The point about advanced driving is

Anticipation;

Observation;

Planning ;

Information ( TUG -Take, Use, Give)

Positioning/ view

Correct use of gears for maximum flexibility;

IPSGA

Smoothness,

It doesnt matter a damn which philosophy of gears/ brakes you use.....

"

Yes it does

It matters a lot.

Whilst your listings are certainly items to include in safe and above average driving my points merely show that the old "class 1 " police method is outdated.

You've completely lost the thread here.

Do your comments really prove that when it comes to driving the male ego is very high?? Read all of the thread and perhaps you will understand!

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"

OK, The system still teaches older techniques,let's pick two:

Steering: They still require push - pull on the steering wheel. This was because of the old heavy steering on the big old cars. Whilst this is suitable most of the time, in some cases it is inconvenient and cumbersome, most police drivers forget this after they've passed their test or qualification.

Engine braking: Gear boxes and clutches these days are magnificent. There is much greater degree of car control on deceleration using the gears and braking rather than the old method of braking and at the point of accelerating select the appropriate gear. It really was devised for heavy booted coppers who burnt out clutches and ruined expensive gear boxes. I know the IAM guys much prefer engine braking but will certainly accept the former method.

Thanks for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I would like to say that I feel the push pull when only using one hand at a time is very efficient and effective. The problem is not everyone know how to do it properly. My biggest concern with steering is the number of drivers trying to drive whilst holding a phone or a big e cigarette whilst still trying to drive.

Are you an IAM or RoSPA member yourself?

If you are concerned with " push pull " steering, or the combination of brakes/ gears for speed control; then you have completely missed the point about advanced driving;

The point about advanced driving is

Anticipation;

Observation;

Planning ;

Information ( TUG -Take, Use, Give)

Positioning/ view

Correct use of gears for maximum flexibility;

IPSGA

Smoothness,

It doesnt matter a damn which philosophy of gears/ brakes you use.....

Yes it does

It matters a lot.

Whilst your listings are certainly items to include in safe and above average driving my points merely show that the old "class 1 " police method is outdated.

You've completely lost the thread here.

Do your comments really prove that when it comes to driving the male ego is very high?? Read all of the thread and perhaps you will understand!"

Nonsense

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