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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ? "

Absolutely not and absolutely not.

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

There's more to it than the discerning press chose to publish. One should consider the full purpose of his proposal before judging

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Im NOT judging.

Merely asking a question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's more to it than the discerning press chose to publish. One should consider the full purpose of his proposal before judging"

Perhaps you could remind us of the full purpose of his proposals - 'cos Clarke's view and Camoron's view appear to be at odds.

Both views, incidentally, seem to contradict both the Tory manifesto and the Coalition document.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ? "

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of"

Is it? A man of 16 years 1 day has sex with a sober, willing participant aged 15 years 364 days he met in an over 21s only bar?

Legally it's rape but where does the blame lie? With the door control staff?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sh*t. I sound like Michael Spanish Omlette.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

yep,he should resign.

everybody,no matter the circumstances,understands what no means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of

Is it? A man of 16 years 1 day has sex with a sober, willing participant aged 15 years 364 days he met in an over 21s only bar?

Legally it's rape but where does the blame lie? With the dor control staff?"

rape is when 1 person says NO .... even if someone halfweay through changes mind and other person carries on its rape no matter...wether it be male or female

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of

Is it? A man of 16 years 1 day has sex with a sober, willing participant aged 15 years 364 days he met in an over 21s only bar?

Legally it's rape but where does the blame lie? With the door control staff?"

Apparently it isn't. More like Unlawful sex.

Under 13 i think and it becomes statutory rape.

A better comparison is between a woman raped by a violently stanger and a woman who consents until the very last moment, then cries rape, sometimes long after the event.

Would anyone who argues they are excatly the same care to give their reasoning?

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Yes, rape is rape.

As far as i know, the issue is whether there are degrees of serious of rape, warranting shorter sentences, upon conviction, with further "discount" for an early guilty plea.

As indeed there is with any other crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of

Is it? A man of 16 years 1 day has sex with a sober, willing participant aged 15 years 364 days he met in an over 21s only bar?

Legally it's rape but where does the blame lie? With the door control staff?

Apparently it isn't. More like Unlawful sex.

Under 13 i think and it becomes statutory rape.

A better comparison is between a woman raped by a violently stanger and a woman who consents until the very last moment, then cries rape, sometimes long after the event.

Would anyone who argues they are excatly the same care to give their reasoning?"

there is a differnce between a woman saying no half way through and someone crying rape after the fact.... the ones that cry rape after the factand the one who make it up are a disgrace and make it harder for the genuine ones to get a case

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By *aughtyHubbyMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and i also believe those who cry rape and havnt been should also pay the price

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the last 4-5 posts, contradictory as some of them are, demonstrate the minefield.

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By *aughtyHubbyMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

I think the point that Clarke was referring was that the judiciary should consider the difference between the circumstances surrounding the conviction. For example.....16 yr old lad has sex with a 15yr old girl and she consents (albeit currently below age of consent). Compared to a lad breaking into a house in the dead of night to carry out a burgulary and subsequently rapeing and beating the 80yr old woman he finds living there.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"and i also believe those who cry rape and havnt been should also pay the price"

I fully agree with you on this point.

If only such women could be retrospectively named to the world at the outset of any such accusation, losing employment and family in many cases.

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By *aughtyHubbyMan
over a year ago

Sunderland

Very good point and frighteningly common. Arguably one of the main reasons for genuine cases being overlooked by the courts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the last 4-5 posts, contradictory as some of them are, demonstrate the minefield."

hope i havnt condradicted myself....i agree it is a minefield,many men have been named and shamed and have been innocent. I believe if the women who cry rape and havnt been where named and shamed it would be a differnt story. Rape is one of the hardest cases to prove but one of the easiest to claim

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of

Is it? A man of 16 years 1 day has sex with a sober, willing participant aged 15 years 364 days he met in an over 21s only bar?

Legally it's rape but where does the blame lie? With the door control staff?

Apparently it isn't. More like Unlawful sex.

Under 13 i think and it becomes statutory rape.

A better comparison is between a woman raped by a violently stanger and a woman who consents until the very last moment, then cries rape, sometimes long after the event.

Would anyone who argues they are excatly the same care to give their reasoning?"

rape is rape,no matter the circumstances.

the courts already make decisions on, the events leading up to rape.

if you hear the words,no,or stop,and you continue,it's rape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the point that Clarke was referring was that the judiciary should consider the difference between the circumstances surrounding the conviction. For example.....16 yr old lad has sex with a 15yr old girl and she consents (albeit currently below age of consent). Compared to a lad breaking into a house in the dead of night to carry out a burgulary and subsequently rapeing and beating the 80yr old woman he finds living there.

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That's the point he was trying to make yet failed miserably to do so. For an obviously educated and articulate man he appears to be completely out of touch - typical Tory territory.

In fairness to the doddery old c*nt, he's on a hiding to nothing. He 'might' (though it's a long shot) do well to ditch the brothel creepers for which he's renowned.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"There's more to it than the discerning press chose to publish. One should consider the full purpose of his proposal before judging

Perhaps you could remind us of the full purpose of his proposals - 'cos Clarke's view and Camoron's view appear to be at odds.

Both views, incidentally, seem to contradict both the Tory manifesto and the Coalition document."

And remind me, during the years 1997 to 2010, just how much of Blair and Browns actions were in accordance with any party manifesto?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the last 4-5 posts, contradictory as some of them are, demonstrate the minefield.

hope i havnt condradicted myself....i agree it is a minefield,many men have been named and shamed and have been innocent. I believe if the women who cry rape and havnt been where named and shamed it would be a differnt story. Rape is one of the hardest cases to prove but one of the easiest to claim"

No, I don't think you've contradicted yourself (above) but I'd take issue, for the purposes of this thread, with your contention that "many men have been named and shamed and have been innocent".

Have they been innocent or simply not found guilty?

I accept that's pretty much a 'rape is rape' issue but from a practical stance it matters a lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's more to it than the discerning press chose to publish. One should consider the full purpose of his proposal before judging

Perhaps you could remind us of the full purpose of his proposals - 'cos Clarke's view and Camoron's view appear to be at odds.

Both views, incidentally, seem to contradict both the Tory manifesto and the Coalition document.

And remind me, during the years 1997 to 2010, just how much of Blair and Browns actions were in accordance with any party manifesto?

"

No doubt you'll be happy to remind us which parts WEREN'T in the manifestos.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

On second thoughts, sack him.

And replace him with a previous Home Secretary (*) but FFS get your hubby to watch the free porn channels rather than lumber the tax payer with the bill.

* Yes, i know it's not a like for like situation, and currently impossible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the last 4-5 posts, contradictory as some of them are, demonstrate the minefield.

hope i havnt condradicted myself....i agree it is a minefield,many men have been named and shamed and have been innocent. I believe if the women who cry rape and havnt been where named and shamed it would be a differnt story. Rape is one of the hardest cases to prove but one of the easiest to claim

No, I don't think you've contradicted yourself (above) but I'd take issue, for the purposes of this thread, with your contention that "many men have been named and shamed and have been innocent".

Have they been innocent or simply not found guilty?

I accept that's pretty much a 'rape is rape' issue but from a practical stance it matters a lot."

as i said crying rape is easy prove, it is more difficult to defend, and there are women out there who will cry rape,out of rage, anger,revenge, desperation and to hide the fact of being abused or have been abused, but if a woman or man says no any any time then it is rape, doesnt matter if they are strangers, people they know or spouses, if the word no has been said then it is rape

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

He should neither resign nor be sacked.

There are different gradations of rape which is all he said.

Consider a 17-year-old with a 15-year-old having consensual sex. Is that honestly the same as a man in a balaclava raping a woman at night with a broken bottle.

That was his point. Can anyone argue that he was wrong?

Where he WAS wrong was in allowing himself to be bullied into 'changing his mind'. Pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of

Is it? A man of 16 years 1 day has sex with a sober, willing participant aged 15 years 364 days he met in an over 21s only bar?

Legally it's rape but where does the blame lie? With the door control staff?

Apparently it isn't. More like Unlawful sex.

Under 13 i think and it becomes statutory rape.

A better comparison is between a woman raped by a violently stanger and a woman who consents until the very last moment, then cries rape, sometimes long after the event.

Would anyone who argues they are excatly the same care to give their reasoning?"

I have to admit when I heard Ken Clarke's comments I thought along the same lines. A man stalking and dragging a stranger of the street and raping her is different to two consenting adults where just as the man is about to enter the woman has a change of heart!

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

People seem to miss one of the other points here though. If the suspect does plead guilty at an early stage and spares the victim from the trauma of a trial and another suspect drags his victim through a trial only to plead when faced with the weight of evidence against him, should the judge make the same reduction in sentence for the guilty plea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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On second thoughts, sack him.

And replace him with a previous Home Secretary (*) but FFS get your hubby to watch the free porn channels rather than lumber the tax payer with the bill.

* Yes, i know it's not a like for like situation, and currently impossible."

I'm no fan of Jacqui Smith but the evidence shows that the Adult Channels her husband watched were paid by direct debit and she reclaimed the amount without personal knowledge of any itemised billing.

I'm sure there's members here who are wholly unaware of what their spouses get up to while they're at work.

Her behaviour over home swapping and other matters is far more unacceptable if less headline grabbing.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"People seem to miss one of the other points here though. If the suspect does plead guilty at an early stage and spares the victim from the trauma of a trial and another suspect drags his victim through a trial only to plead when faced with the weight of evidence against him, should the judge make the same reduction in sentence for the guilty plea?"

I don't know for fact but i would be hellishly surprised if they didn't do so already.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"

On second thoughts, sack him.

And replace him with a previous Home Secretary (*) but FFS get your hubby to watch the free porn channels rather than lumber the tax payer with the bill.

* Yes, i know it's not a like for like situation, and currently impossible.

I'm no fan of Jacqui Smith but the evidence shows that the Adult Channels her husband watched were paid by direct debit and she reclaimed the amount without personal knowledge of any itemised billing.

I'm sure there's members here who are wholly unaware of what their spouses get up to while they're at work.

Her behaviour over home swapping and other matters is far more unacceptable if less headline grabbing."

Is Jacqui Smith a swapper?

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

And for the record, one person over 16 having consensual intercourse with another between14 and 16 is unlawful sexual intercouse not rape. It would be rape if one of them was under 14

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People seem to miss one of the other points here though. If the suspect does plead guilty at an early stage and spares the victim from the trauma of a trial and another suspect drags his victim through a trial only to plead when faced with the weight of evidence against him, should the judge make the same reduction in sentence for the guilty plea?"

The judge doesn't make the reduction. the reduction % age is a matter for legislators.

A crime, in this case a rape, ought to be tariffed on the facts. Nothing more or less.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And for the record, one person over 16 having consensual intercourse with another between14 and 16 is unlawful sexual intercouse not rape. It would be rape if one of them was under 14"

Is that just in England or UK wide?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And for the record, one person over 16 having consensual intercourse with another between14 and 16 is unlawful sexual intercouse not rape. It would be rape if one of them was under 14"

Is that just in England or UK wide?

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham


"People seem to miss one of the other points here though. If the suspect does plead guilty at an early stage and spares the victim from the trauma of a trial and another suspect drags his victim through a trial only to plead when faced with the weight of evidence against him, should the judge make the same reduction in sentence for the guilty plea?

I don't know for fact but i would be hellishly surprised if they didn't do so already.

"

That's one of the propsals that the reduction would be higher for an early plea

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

He made a valid point very badly.Not about false claims,not quite ure how that came in,but that there are different categories of offences.

A woman so d*unk she does not remember if she has consented has a very different experience to a 16 yr old attacked with a knife to her throat.

The law accepts this,it is why judges are allowed to decide the length of sentence according to aggravating factors.

Personally i think the special status given to rape is based on out moded ideas of female virtue and male ownership.

But that's just me

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"

I'm sure there's members here who are wholly unaware of what their spouses get up to while they're at work.

Her behaviour over home swapping and other matters is far more unacceptable if less headline grabbing."

I'm lost here. How did a direct debit find it's way onto HER expenses claim form, signed and approved by HER, if she didn't have pesonal knowledge of an expense being claimed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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i believe law and justice dont go hand in hand in this country... to many are get off scott free, and are fre to commit any crime again

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By *ue care and attentionWoman
over a year ago

birmingham


"And for the record, one person over 16 having consensual intercourse with another between14 and 16 is unlawful sexual intercouse not rape. It would be rape if one of them was under 14

Is that just in England or UK wide?"

That's English law.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"And for the record, one person over 16 having consensual intercourse with another between14 and 16 is unlawful sexual intercouse not rape. It would be rape if one of them was under 14"

i was told today that the actual offence is unlawful sexual acts with a child.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

It's not good enough to say that rape is rape is rape is rape.

What about where a woman changes her mind right when a man is about to enter. Technically rape if even the tip of his penis goes in - but is it the same as a man in a balaclava etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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once a person says no then its rape

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"It's not good enough to say that rape is rape is rape is rape.

What about where a woman changes her mind right when a man is about to enter. Technically rape if even the tip of his penis goes in - but is it the same as a man in a balaclava etc?"

Yes,any man who cant understand that needs to wear a cock cage for a month.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I'm sure there's members here who are wholly unaware of what their spouses get up to while they're at work.

Her behaviour over home swapping and other matters is far more unacceptable if less headline grabbing.

I'm lost here. How did a direct debit find it's way onto HER expenses claim form, signed and approved by HER, if she didn't have pesonal knowledge of an expense being claimed?

"

Well, I have a number of DDs against which I claim expenses. Stuff like mobile phone bills, my 3 mobile dongle and my taxi account.

Should I check the itemised billing? Probably.

Do I? You kidding?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


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once a person says no then its rape"

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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once a person says no then its rape"

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.

It's the underagers who make the running (till Daddy fins out), the women of a certain age who get buyer's remorse (when Hubby finds out) and their ilk who cause the problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?"

that like saying a peado that only touches and a peado that goes further should get diff sentences(not said light heartly) but hope you get what i mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?"

Well, why not? Should the sentence for armed robbery depend on how much you manage to steal?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?

Well, why not? Should the sentence for armed robbery depend on how much you manage to steal?"

I think they should look at the sentences they give sex offender on par with what they give armed robbery.. pedo's get community service yet armed robbers get 15 years in some cases it don't make sense. both crimes have victims but really...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.

It's the underagers who make the running (till Daddy fins out), the women of a certain age who get buyer's remorse (when Hubby finds out) and their ilk who cause the problems."

oh i agree that ones that cry wolf ... and they should be ashamed of themsleves because they make it more difficult for the victims/survivors of these crimes

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?

that like saying a peado that only touches and a peado that goes further should get diff sentences(not said light heartly) but hope you get what i mean"

That's like arguing that people involved in a catfight should be equated to mass murderers. Absurd

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.

It's the underagers who make the running (till Daddy fins out), the women of a certain age who get buyer's remorse (when Hubby finds out) and their ilk who cause the problems.

oh i agree that ones that cry wolf ... and they should be ashamed of themsleves because they make it more difficult for the victims/survivors of these crimes

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False accusations of rape are as common as false accusations of other crimes,at about 2% ,It is not the problem the tabloids would have us believe,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?

Well, why not? Should the sentence for armed robbery depend on how much you manage to steal?

I think they should look at the sentences they give sex offender on par with what they give armed robbery.. pedo's get community service yet armed robbers get 15 years in some cases it don't make sense. both crimes have victims but really... "

I'd welcome sight of your evidence that convicted paedophiles get community sentences.

Cuttings from the gutter press don't count.

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?

Well, why not? Should the sentence for armed robbery depend on how much you manage to steal?"

Really?

Theft IS theft.

If i lift a tenner out of your pocket is that the same as robbing the RBS at gunpoint? Should i get a ten year stretch for relieving you of a tenner?

There again, we might argue that some executives beat us to it by stealth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

Of course. But should it always receive the same sentence?

that like saying a peado that only touches and a peado that goes further should get diff sentences(not said light heartly) but hope you get what i mean

That's like arguing that people involved in a catfight should be equated to mass murderers. Absurd"

cat fight / mass murder totally different crime

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.

It's the underagers who make the running (till Daddy fins out), the women of a certain age who get buyer's remorse (when Hubby finds out) and their ilk who cause the problems.

oh i agree that ones that cry wolf ... and they should be ashamed of themsleves because they make it more difficult for the victims/survivors of these crimes

False accusations of rape are as common as false accusations of other crimes,at about 2% ,It is not the problem the tabloids would have us believe,"

2% seems a lot actually.

If you were the male "victim" it is of no comfort. I suspect it would be a significant problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 20/05/11 00:56:34]

once a person says no then its rape

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.

It's the underagers who make the running (till Daddy fins out), the women of a certain age who get buyer's remorse (when Hubby finds out) and their ilk who cause the problems.

oh i agree that ones that cry wolf ... and they should be ashamed of themsleves because they make it more difficult for the victims/survivors of these crimes

False accusations of rape are as common as false accusations of other crimes,at about 2% ,It is not the problem the tabloids would have us believe,"

That's not the issue.

It's hard to argue that someone welcomed that slash across their face, that a particular turf accountant was happy to be robbed at gunpoint or that a particular person didn't mind being killed by a well-targetted bomb.

Rape, for all the wrong reasons, is a wholly different matter.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Let's equate this to bodily harm to inject some sense into this:

Should someone who merely lays a hand on another - and causes no bodily harm - be sentenced the same as someone who takes an iron bar to someone else.

Of course not!

You'd punish them differently. You accept that there are different gradations of the offence.

Same with rape

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Here's a thought on a slighlty different note that typifies how fucked up our politicains have been of late :

A 16 year old girl consents to as much sex as she can get. Legal.(*)

A 16 year old lad consents to as much sex as he can get. Legal.(*)

The girl and lad fuck each others brains out several times over. Legal.(*)

* Depending on location.

Now the girl and lad, video this on their phone and send it to their mates.

Oh dear. Criminals.

What a fucked up world we have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let's equate this to bodily harm to inject some sense into this:

Should someone who merely lays a hand on another - and causes no bodily harm - be sentenced the same as someone who takes an iron bar to someone else.

Of course not!

You'd punish them differently. You accept that there are different gradations of the offence.

Same with rape"

im sorry disagree once someone hss said no and the other carry's on it's rape

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


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once a person says no then its rape

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with that.

It's the underagers who make the running (till Daddy fins out), the women of a certain age who get buyer's remorse (when Hubby finds out) and their ilk who cause the problems.

oh i agree that ones that cry wolf ... and they should be ashamed of themsleves because they make it more difficult for the victims/survivors of these crimes

False accusations of rape are as common as false accusations of other crimes,at about 2% ,It is not the problem the tabloids would have us believe,

2% seems a lot actually.

If you were the male "victim" it is of no comfort. I suspect it would be a significant problem."

If you are the male "victim" of a false accusation of fraud, destroying your job prospects, assault meaning you can never work with kids i am sure it is also a significant problem,

My point is that the debate about poor conviction rates ect gets derailed by the fact there are false accusations.Stats show there are no more false rape accusations than for any other crime, some ppl just tell lies.

Trying to frame the whole debate in terms of what` a few ppl do is not helpful.Should we change the law on burglary because some ppl make false claims on their insurance?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Mrs A - wat do you class as 'carrying on' tho? Even to remain inside for a few seconds after the woman has changed her mind is a technical rape.

Is that the same as a man with a sword and a balaclava?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mrs A - wat do you class as 'carrying on' tho? Even to remain inside for a few seconds after the woman has changed her mind is a technical rape.

Is that the same as a man with a sword and a balaclava?"

not a few seconds as if a person is drinking it csn take a few seconds to register, im talking if thet carry on reguardless to what the other person wants

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

It's not about 'carrying on' tho. Just a few seconds is enough for it to be a rape in law.

The man in that position shouldn't be punished the same as a man with a balaclava and broken bottle. Absolutely simple.

That's all that Clarke was saying.

It's shameful that he was bullied into 'changing his mind'. Mob rule!

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By *ushroom7Man
over a year ago

Bradford

I reckon Ken Clarke has done a fair bit of "bullying" in his time too. What do you reckon?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not about 'carrying on' tho. Just a few seconds is enough for it to be a rape in law.

The man in that position shouldn't be punished the same as a man with a balaclava and broken bottle. Absolutely simple.

That's all that Clarke was saying.

It's shameful that he was bullied into 'changing his mind'. Mob rule!"

sorry but i still dont agree, rape is raae wether wearing a disguise or not, the majority of rapes (and i maybe wrong but dont think so) are from poeple that are known to the attacker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

sacked no questions asked... how the hell can anyone say there is differnt types of rape ....RAPE IS RAPE end of"

Is it?

A husband has sex with his wife and she says 'No' just as he's about to come but he's locked on. Is it rape?

A d*unken woman invites a man back for sex but in the morning she's sober and says she never consented. Is it rape?

A woman is grabbed off the street and subjected to an horrific sexual attack by a group of men. Is that rape?

There ARE differing degrees of rape and each case should be judged individually, and not just about a woman saying 'no', as often rape isn't even about sex - it's about power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not about 'carrying on' tho. Just a few seconds is enough for it to be a rape in law.

The man in that position shouldn't be punished the same as a man with a balaclava and broken bottle. Absolutely simple.

That's all that Clarke was saying.

It's shameful that he was bullied into 'changing his mind'. Mob rule!"

I think you've nailed it here. Clearly there are differences in the two examples. No one is denying they are both rape and rape is a horrible serious crime.

But to argue that they are exactly the same is to close ones mind to the reality.

Light is light, put it through a spectrum and it is made up of different colours. We can see this with our own eyes. Should we knowing this ignore the fact that there are differences within what we call light? No one denies the existence of light, but if some choose to ignore the fact that there are different types, how do you convince them otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think he is absolutely right rape is yes a serious crime. But look how many girls falsely shout rape it does happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm struggling to comprehend why Cameron has kept this outdated, antiquated stupid old fart in office for as long as he has. Ken Clarke was a dick in Thatcher's govt and he's even more of a belligerent old wanker now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Much as it might seem a great deal longer, Clarke has only been post for a year and is popular with a certain wing of the Tory party.

He's also thought of as a useful conterbalance to the raving lunacy of Sturmbanfuhrer May in Marsham Street.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ? "

Not at all. He just worded his comment badly.

Not all rape is the same.'All rape is rape' is only true by the fact that we only have one label for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should he be sacked or left to resign over comments re "rape" made on the radio ?

Not at all. He just worded his comment badly.

Not all rape is the same.'All rape is rape' is only true by the fact that we only have one label for it."

I have wondered how Ken Clarke would regard the rape of a man by a woman.

I suspect he'd probably ask for the woman's phone number.

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