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Another Shocking Dubai Rape Fiasco

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I heard a lot of similar cases when i lived/worked in Dubai! I mean FFS just check out the "Burden Of Proof Required" that the victim has to give in the 4th from last paragraph.

A British tourist has been arrested and charged with illegal “extra-marital sex” in Dubai after telling police she had been gang raped.

The 25-year-old woman, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, was on holiday in the United Arab Emirates when she was allegedly attacked by two British men last month.

When she reported the rape at a police station, she was allegedly arrested for breaking Emirati laws against extra-marital sex, while her attackers have since flown home to the UK.

The UK-based Detained in Dubai campaign group said she has been released on bail but had her passport confiscated, meaning she cannot leave the country, and could face trial for offences with punishments including jail, deportation, flogging and stoning to death.

The group is in contact with the woman’s family, who claim the two men took it in turns to rape her while filming the attack at a hotel.

“They have taken her passport as lawyers thrash it out. She is staying with an English family but she is absolutely terrified,” a family friend told The Sun.

“She went to the police as the victim as one of the worst ordeals imaginable but she is being treated as the criminal.”

Radha Stirling, the founder and director of Detained in Dubai, said the case a “tremendously disturbing“ example of long-running abuses in the holiday resort.

"Police regularly fail to differentiate between consensual intercourse and violent rape,” she added. "Victims go to them expecting justice, and end up being prosecuted. They not only invalidate their victimisation, they actually punish them for it."

A spokesperson for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office told The Independent it was aware of the case and providing support to the woman and her relatives, as well as remaining in contact with local authorities.

Its travel advice for the UAE says all sexual relations outside marriage are considered illegal, whatever a couple’s relationship at home, alongside homosexual sex and same-sex marriages.

“It’s against the law to live together, or to share the same hotel room, with someone of the opposite sex to whom you aren’t married or closely related,” the advice states.

The laws, which can also see unmarried pregnant women and their partners jailed, have been used to criminalise rape victims including women from Norway and Australia, and several previous British victims.

The burden of proof required for rape under the UAE’s interpretation of sharia law – a confession from the rapist or witness statements from four adult men – means that cases that reach court are heavily skewed in the defendant’s favour and are frequently dismissed or turned around to prosecute the alleged victim.

Campaigners say female migrant workers are hit particularly hard by the laws, with their stories rarely attracting the public attention or outcry garnered by cases involving Westerners.

Ms Stirling said the UAE has a long history of penalising rape victims. “We have been involved with several cases in the past where this has happened, and we work with the lawyers and families and have campaigned to change attitudes in the police and judiciary,” she added.

“The horrible case at hand shows that it is still not safe for victims to report these crimes to the police without the risk of suffering a double punishment.”

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Extra marital sex is against the law there.

Sharing rooms with people you are not married to is against the law there.

I am not excusing the men.

I am not saying the Saudis laws are just.

I am saying that if a man assaulted me sexually or raped me and I found him and shot him in cold blood. I'd expect to be arrested because shooting someone is against the law here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's disgusting.

Saw the report a couple of days ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Everyones "at it" over there, i was living on the 39th floor (one under the penthouse) in one of the top hotels in Dubai, we has a few cool bars on the ground floor and it was so easy meeting UK girls, drinking with them then showing them the "View" from our apartment in the sky.

The same bars in our hotel were FULL of Hookers most nights and i mean wall to wall, there was no way the Hotel management could have been unaware either as it was so rife. Infact me and my work mates were 100% convinced the Hotel were in on it - i.e. pimping the girls out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyones "at it" over there, i was living on the 39th floor (one under the penthouse) in one of the top hotels in Dubai, we has a few cool bars on the ground floor and it was so easy meeting UK girls, drinking with them then showing them the "View" from our apartment in the sky.

The same bars in our hotel were FULL of Hookers most nights and i mean wall to wall, there was no way the Hotel management could have been unaware either as it was so rife. Infact me and my work mates were 100% convinced the Hotel were in on it - i.e. pimping the girls out "

Shame I didn't know you when I was living out there

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Extra marital sex is against the law there.

Sharing rooms with people you are not married to is against the law there.

I am not excusing the men.

I am not saying the Saudis laws are just.

I am saying that if a man assaulted me sexually or raped me and I found him and shot him in cold blood. I'd expect to be arrested because shooting someone is against the law here."

But that isn't a comparable crime. You chose to shoot your hypothetical attacker. A rape victim doesn't choose to have extra marital set with their attackers.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Everyones "at it" over there, i was living on the 39th floor (one under the penthouse) in one of the top hotels in Dubai, we has a few cool bars on the ground floor and it was so easy meeting UK girls, drinking with them then showing them the "View" from our apartment in the sky.

The same bars in our hotel were FULL of Hookers most nights and i mean wall to wall, there was no way the Hotel management could have been unaware either as it was so rife. Infact me and my work mates were 100% convinced the Hotel were in on it - i.e. pimping the girls out "

What has this got to do with a woman being victimised for reporting a gang rape?!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Everyones "at it" over there, i was living on the 39th floor (one under the penthouse) in one of the top hotels in Dubai, we has a few cool bars on the ground floor and it was so easy meeting UK girls, drinking with them then showing them the "View" from our apartment in the sky.

The same bars in our hotel were FULL of Hookers most nights and i mean wall to wall, there was no way the Hotel management could have been unaware either as it was so rife. Infact me and my work mates were 100% convinced the Hotel were in on it - i.e. pimping the girls out

What has this got to do with a woman being victimised for reporting a gang rape?! "

Unless you have lived their you probably wouldn't understand, it's the most "Double Standard" place i have ever seen, Loads of local men (Strict Muslims) going off with Hookers etc.

So really im just trying to paint a picture of how it is in Dubai for those who are unaware

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Everyones "at it" over there, i was living on the 39th floor (one under the penthouse) in one of the top hotels in Dubai, we has a few cool bars on the ground floor and it was so easy meeting UK girls, drinking with them then showing them the "View" from our apartment in the sky.

The same bars in our hotel were FULL of Hookers most nights and i mean wall to wall, there was no way the Hotel management could have been unaware either as it was so rife. Infact me and my work mates were 100% convinced the Hotel were in on it - i.e. pimping the girls out

Shame I didn't know you when I was living out there "

After looking at your pics i have to agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We mustn't judge these wealthy, backward, misogynistic , half educated, racist, homophobic, fascist regimes by our own low standards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At end of the day muslin law is so one sided and I'm afraid it's geared toward male dominance what the men says goes a woman can't do many things such as drive a car go out in public without covering up and lots more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont really get the fascination of Dubai as a holiday destination. Not somewhere we would go to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree why go somewhere u can't drink alcohol in public ,the ladies can't flaunt there assets and casual sex is frowned upon

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I agree why go somewhere u can't drink alcohol in public ,the ladies can't flaunt there assets and casual sex is frowned upon"

2 out of those 3 reasons apply here as well lol

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Cultural differences, eh?

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By *adyDangerWoman
over a year ago

land of debauchery and kink


"I dont really get the fascination of Dubai as a holiday destination. Not somewhere we would go to "

Take it you've never been then? It's a beautiful city and the country itself is beautiful and fascinating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really get the fascination of Dubai as a holiday destination. Not somewhere we would go to

Take it you've never been then? It's a beautiful city and the country itself is beautiful and fascinating "
maybe so but it's full of double standards where the law makers are prone to break their own laws but never suffer the consequences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why the hell would any woman go there to holiday, live, work, whatever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" We mustn't judge these wealthy, backward, misogynistic , half educated, racist, homophobic, fascist regimes by our own low standards."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I dont really get the fascination of Dubai as a holiday destination. Not somewhere we would go to

Take it you've never been then? It's a beautiful city and the country itself is beautiful and fascinating "

Is it fuck!!!

It's a man made city dropped into a sandpit, all fake, the place has no soul or history whatsoever and is full of plastic weekend millionaires - i hated it after a matter of months and only stayed as i was on a contract and earning $$$$ I even had to endure a whole month of Ramadan

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By *adyDangerWoman
over a year ago

land of debauchery and kink


"I dont really get the fascination of Dubai as a holiday destination. Not somewhere we would go to

Take it you've never been then? It's a beautiful city and the country itself is beautiful and fascinating

Is it fuck!!!

It's a man made city dropped into a sandpit, all fake, the place has no soul or history whatsoever and is full of plastic weekend millionaires - i hated it after a matter of months and only stayed as i was on a contract and earning $$$$ I even had to endure a whole month of Ramadan "

Your opinion that's fine. But I think it's an amazing place albeit man made.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Extra marital sex is against the law there.

Sharing rooms with people you are not married to is against the law there.

I am not excusing the men.

I am not saying the Saudis laws are just.

I am saying that if a man assaulted me sexually or raped me and I found him and shot him in cold blood. I'd expect to be arrested because shooting someone is against the law here.

But that isn't a comparable crime. You chose to shoot your hypothetical attacker. A rape victim doesn't choose to have extra marital set with their attackers. "

I get what you are saying Evie.

The point I am making is........ She is imprisoned for breaking Saudi law. In Saudi.

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By *adyDangerWoman
over a year ago

land of debauchery and kink


"Extra marital sex is against the law there.

Sharing rooms with people you are not married to is against the law there.

I am not excusing the men.

I am not saying the Saudis laws are just.

I am saying that if a man assaulted me sexually or raped me and I found him and shot him in cold blood. I'd expect to be arrested because shooting someone is against the law here.

But that isn't a comparable crime. You chose to shoot your hypothetical attacker. A rape victim doesn't choose to have extra marital set with their attackers.

I get what you are saying Evie.

The point I am making is........ She is imprisoned for breaking Saudi law. In Saudi.

"

But she was forced to brake the law it was not her choice to be raped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyones "at it" over there, i was living on the 39th floor (one under the penthouse) in one of the top hotels in Dubai, we has a few cool bars on the ground floor and it was so easy meeting UK girls, drinking with them then showing them the "View" from our apartment in the sky.

The same bars in our hotel were FULL of Hookers most nights and i mean wall to wall, there was no way the Hotel management could have been unaware either as it was so rife. Infact me and my work mates were 100% convinced the Hotel were in on it - i.e. pimping the girls out

What has this got to do with a woman being victimised for reporting a gang rape?!

Unless you have lived their you probably wouldn't understand, it's the most "Double Standard" place i have ever seen, Loads of local men (Strict Muslims) going off with Hookers etc.

So really im just trying to paint a picture of how it is in Dubai for those who are unaware "

So this thread is more about you slagging off dubai and the people that live there than giving a toss about the poor woman who was raped?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I dont really get the fascination of Dubai as a holiday destination. Not somewhere we would go to

Take it you've never been then? It's a beautiful city and the country itself is beautiful and fascinating maybe so but it's full of double standards where the law makers are prone to break their own laws but never suffer the consequences "

Most countries are

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Extra marital sex is against the law there.

Sharing rooms with people you are not married to is against the law there.

I am not excusing the men.

I am not saying the Saudis laws are just.

I am saying that if a man assaulted me sexually or raped me and I found him and shot him in cold blood. I'd expect to be arrested because shooting someone is against the law here.

But that isn't a comparable crime. You chose to shoot your hypothetical attacker. A rape victim doesn't choose to have extra marital set with their attackers.

I get what you are saying Evie.

The point I am making is........ She is imprisoned for breaking Saudi law. In Saudi.

But she was forced to brake the law it was not her choice to be raped "

She was not arrested for being raped.

Sharing a hotel room with someone you are not married to is illegal. In SAUDI.

She was in Saudi. She broke Saudi law.

Allegedly , that is what she has been arrested for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The law is ridiculous and I feel desperately sorry for the woman but I'd have been out of the country like a shot in her situation, not least as the attackers wer British and from the press coverage known to her so she could have pursued them via the British justice system.

Buy ultimately it's their law. And plenty of those who are outraged about this (generally not on this thread) are the same people who will repeatedly bemoan foreigners coming to this country and not adopting to British law's and customs.

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

Fucking urgh!!

And that's one of the many reasons I have zero desire to go there.

Trying to pass it off as 'well it's their law' is bullshit too.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Fucking urgh!!

And that's one of the many reasons I have zero desire to go there.

Trying to pass it off as 'well it's their law' is bullshit too. "

I wasn't passing the rape off. Or Saudi laws off.

I'm clarifying ( in as far as I can glean ) what she was arrested for.

I haven't made comment on what I think about it at all.

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By *ove bi guysWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"The law is ridiculous and I feel desperately sorry for the woman but I'd have been out of the country like a shot in her situation, not least as the attackers wer British and from the press coverage known to her so she could have pursued them via the British justice system.

Buy ultimately it's their law. And plenty of those who are outraged about this (generally not on this thread) are the same people who will repeatedly bemoan foreigners coming to this country and not adopting to British law's and customs.

"

As awful as what happened to this woman is ... and it is terrible you'd have to be extremely naive and have never seen any previous press coverage to think it would be dealt with as it would here. She should have saved as much evidence as possible and got out of the country asap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day you should know the countries laws yes the rape was wrong and I feel sorry for her but as a married lady all be it in name only who went to a room with 2 men both of whom were not her husband she was braking the law of the land s that she should be punished for and they in turn should be extradited back there and be tried for rape but I fear it won't happen and she will be either flogged or imprisoned and they will remain free

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By *adyDangerWoman
over a year ago

land of debauchery and kink


"The law is ridiculous and I feel desperately sorry for the woman but I'd have been out of the country like a shot in her situation, not least as the attackers wer British and from the press coverage known to her so she could have pursued them via the British justice system.

Buy ultimately it's their law. And plenty of those who are outraged about this (generally not on this thread) are the same people who will repeatedly bemoan foreigners coming to this country and not adopting to British law's and customs.

As awful as what happened to this woman is ... and it is terrible you'd have to be extremely naive and have never seen any previous press coverage to think it would be dealt with as it would here. She should have saved as much evidence as possible and got out of the country asap."
m

Maybe she was unaware that if you were raped you would be arrested as you had sex outside of marriage regardless that it was non consensual. I was aware of the tight stringent laws but was unaware that it applied to rape. So I'd there no such thing as rape law in Arabic countries?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The law is ridiculous and I feel desperately sorry for the woman but I'd have been out of the country like a shot in her situation, not least as the attackers wer British and from the press coverage known to her so she could have pursued them via the British justice system.

Buy ultimately it's their law. And plenty of those who are outraged about this (generally not on this thread) are the same people who will repeatedly bemoan foreigners coming to this country and not adopting to British law's and customs.

As awful as what happened to this woman is ... and it is terrible you'd have to be extremely naive and have never seen any previous press coverage to think it would be dealt with as it would here. She should have saved as much evidence as possible and got out of the country asap.m

Maybe she was unaware that if you were raped you would be arrested as you had sex outside of marriage regardless that it was non consensual. I was aware of the tight stringent laws but was unaware that it applied to rape. So I'd there no such thing as rape law in Arabic countries?"
u need to prove you were rapedabd it was witnessed by 4 males if i read it right earlier in thread and how many males will admit they were present when a rape occurred and did nothing

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By *ove bi guysWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"The law is ridiculous and I feel desperately sorry for the woman but I'd have been out of the country like a shot in her situation, not least as the attackers wer British and from the press coverage known to her so she could have pursued them via the British justice system.

Buy ultimately it's their law. And plenty of those who are outraged about this (generally not on this thread) are the same people who will repeatedly bemoan foreigners coming to this country and not adopting to British law's and customs.

As awful as what happened to this woman is ... and it is terrible you'd have to be extremely naive and have never seen any previous press coverage to think it would be dealt with as it would here. She should have saved as much evidence as possible and got out of the country asap.m

Maybe she was unaware that if you were raped you would be arrested as you had sex outside of marriage regardless that it was non consensual. I was aware of the tight stringent laws but was unaware that it applied to rape. So I'd there no such thing as rape law in Arabic countries?"

I don't know, but I'd find out if I was planning on travelling anywhere known to be so strict.

There have been cases similar to this on the news in the last year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesnt surprise me that it happens over there, there it is considered normal to do it and women are treated like 2nd class citizen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shitty corrupt vile and disgusting country like several in the middle East and we play lip service for their money. We are so scared of saying a word against it all...so sad that we a bought off so easily.

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By *eeeeerMan
over a year ago

olympia

the law in Dubai is simple "guilty until proven innocent" the lady was probably taken in until she could prove that she was raped, as for all of you saying that women cant drive and cant dress freely in Dubai you only say that because you have never been to these parts of the world. go to most beaches in Dubai and you will see most of the ladies are in thong bikinis and everyone is completely d*unk. as for public drinking i am positive any where in the world if your walking the steets with a bottle of vodka you will be frowned upon and stopped by the authorities. Dubai has some of the wildest parties and probably consume the most alcohol on average. in 2014 it was sited that the average consumption per person was 32 liters of pure alcohol when the global average was 17 liters. so i dont see how most of the people on this forum can judge based on word of mouth without doing their own research... how gullible its a shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a muslim country. Women are ranked only slightly higher than goats.

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By *ubble troubleCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

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By *eeeeerMan
over a year ago

olympia


"It's a muslim country. Women are ranked only slightly higher than goats."

if you wernt so closed minded and looked around the world you llive in you will see that in the UAE everyone is treated equally... dont get confused between Dubai and Saudi

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By *anmjmosesMan
over a year ago

Northampton

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By *anmjmosesMan
over a year ago

Northampton

The world we live in is a fucked up place.... You've got the likes of the Turkish legislature going to complete next level of allowing rape and paedophilia by allowing the rapist to save themselves from prosecution of they marry their victim.... I don't know what is worse.... Prosecuting a rape victim in dubai or sadistically punishing a rape victim by forcing them to live with and marry the rapist...

I struggle to comprehend the logic of humanity.... Both in countries in the west and the east.... And I say that simply because in the west, we have our share of fucked up regulations also

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

It turns out I worked with the woman in question a few years ago. It will be interesting to see what comes of the story and possible subsequent prosecutions.

Him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some confusion between Dubai and Saudi on this thread.

That said, she was very badly advised in going to the Dubai police.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Charity warns women not to report rape.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rape-victim-dubai-united-arab-emirates-uae-extra-marital-sex-report-detained-in-dubai-police-charity-a7422326.html

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