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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely older

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Definitely older "

How much older and what makes you say that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Misleading question... You start a potential time line using BC ... Like me there are many who beleive such a person didn't exist so doesn't relate to your question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is my scientific answer...

Properly old, innit

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Misleading question... You start a potential time line using BC ... Like me there are many who beleive such a person didn't exist so doesn't relate to your question.

Not sure I understand your point bud

I'm saying the bible said time started 6,000 years ago and civilisation began at the birth of Jesus 2,000 ago

The second choice was 6,000bc as the scientific oldest record of written record of a civilised and advanced race the sumarians

So my third option was do you think there was advanced civilisations older than that? And which of the above do you align to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Civilization,, has it started yet did I miss the memo

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"This is my scientific answer...

Properly old, innit "

lol you've just got distracted you...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Misleading question... You start a potential time line using BC ... Like me there are many who beleive such a person didn't exist so doesn't relate to your question.

You don't have to believe in him to accept the date.

The calendar is based on other stuff if that helps...

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Civilization,, has it started yet did I miss the memo

Ha ha reminded me of one of my favourite quotes

A European journalist asked Ghandi "what do you think of western civilisation"

Ghandi said "I think it would be a fine thing"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Civilization,, has it started yet did I miss the memo

Ha ha reminded me of one of my favourite quotes

A European journalist asked Ghandi "what do you think of western civilisation"

Ghandi said "I think it would be a fine thing"

Chuckle I had that in mind when I posted

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Civilization,, has it started yet did I miss the memo

Ha ha reminded me of one of my favourite quotes

A European journalist asked Ghandi "what do you think of western civilisation"

Ghandi said "I think it would be a fine thing"

Chuckle I had that in mind when I posted

Ha ha touché

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older... "

Anatomically modern humans, as man or mankind is scientifically known, have existed for approximately 200,000 years. This is according to the oldest known Homo sapiens sapiens fossils ever found: The Omo remains were discovered in Ethiopia, by paleoanthropologist Richard Leakey between 1967 and 1974, then dated in 2004

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

Very good bud

But the question is about civilised societies not evolution as such

I'e advanced technology, building, writing etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

Doesn't mean they were civilised.

I think the Sumerians were more like 3,000 BCE than 6,000.

The Chinese have been drinking tea for a long time. That's evidence of civilisation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Civilization,, has it started yet did I miss the memo

Ha ha reminded me of one of my favourite quotes

A European journalist asked Ghandi "what do you think of western civilisation"

Ghandi said "I think it would be a fine thing"

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

Doesn't mean they were civilised.

I think the Sumerians were more like 3,000 BCE than 6,000.

The Chinese have been drinking tea for a long time. That's evidence of civilisation."

The sumerians are the current oldest known civilisation, yet there are places in the world with evidence of older civilisations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mesopotamia?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Defo older

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Mesopotamia?"

lol you're on your google

That's the place sumerians were the race of people that lived there

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Civilization,, has it started yet did I miss the memo

When Ghandi was asked what he thought of european civilization he said it would be a good idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mesopotamia?

lol you're on your google

That's the place sumerians were the race of people that lived there

No I wrote something on the history of writing a while back and it was 3,200 BCE (I think) - Sumerian I mean

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Soz. Sumone beat me 2 it.

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Mesopotamia?

lol you're on your google

That's the place sumerians were the race of people that lived there

No I wrote something on the history of writing a while back and it was 3,200 BCE (I think) - Sumerian I mean"

Yeah and it's the oldest known.. so my point is there are sites all over the world showing older civilisations yet we never hear of them in mainstream documentaries

Curious as to how much fellow fabbers are aware and their opinions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh I see - the era predated the writing bit.

Anyway I think the tea factor still has more validity.

But ignoring that I'd think it was far, far earlier. People living together with common beliefs and interests etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

10,000 – 9000 years ago that was just when farming began civilisation began with our specific race . prehuman or other human races lost in prehistory had burials clothing items and civilisations of their own

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"10,000 – 9000 years ago that was just when farming began civilisation began with our specific race . prehuman or other human races lost in prehistory had burials clothing items and civilisations of their own "

So how do we explain gobekli tepi with its advanced structures and cut stones, weighing many tonnes dating around 18,000 years?

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By *carletcoupleCouple
over a year ago

manchester

"Oh I see - the era predated the writing bit.

Anyway I think the tea factor still has more validity.

But ignoring that I'd think it was far, far earlier. People living together with common beliefs and interests etc."

I like the Tea Factor, stick with it works for me. Really hard to be anything but civilised with the little pinkie sticking out, and also makes it just camp enough that wearing a sword would be so wrong.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Modern man has been around for 100 thousand years. Ain't sure about modern women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

Very good bud

But the question is about civilised societies not evolution as such

I'e advanced technology, building, writing etc "
yeah i know they found remains in mozambique of a civilvilisation dating that far back mapotu if i remember correctly

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Best answer on here.

But...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How would guessing the age of civilization be philosophical?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How would guessing the age of civilization be philosophical?

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Philosophy the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and EXSISTENCE, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op question is misleading ... There is no material evidence that such a person existed or the book you refer to is actually as old as many claim... Unless you can bring some real evidence to the world you'd be the 1st ever.

Using religious symbols to promote a timeline to define civiisliation is inherently wrong and there earliest evidence to civisilsed people are symbology based upon the celestial beings many date from as far back as 10,000 years and not including the BC term.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Modern humans evolved around 30,000 yrs ago. By c. 10,000 yrs humans had colonised most of the planet and by c. 8,000 yrs ago had domesticating animals and started farming.

Farming is the key.

Farming allows for larger populations, tied to an area of land.

So, by 6,000 BC human colonies had sprung up on river valleys in China, India, Africa and the Near East.

Who starts 'civilisation' is tricky.

The first documented human 'town' is Catal Huyuk in Turkey (c. 8,000 BC).

But civilisation proper presupposes organisation, politics, surplus produce, law, writing, specilaisation, religion... many, many things.

It appears in Mesopotamia c.3,500 BC with the first cities; Ur, Eridu and Uruk, and on the Nile around 3,000 BC.

Chinese archaeology is changing all the time, but current estimates give villages appearing on the Yellow River (Shang era) by 1,800 BC.

Along the Indus a great civilisation appears in the 4th millennium BC at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, but which disappear in the 2nd millennium BC.

Did you read all of that?

Well done

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Modern humans evolved around 30,000 yrs ago. By c. 10,000 yrs humans had colonised most of the planet and by c. 8,000 yrs ago had domesticating animals and started farming.

Farming is the key.

Farming allows for larger populations, tied to an area of land.

So, by 6,000 BC human colonies had sprung up on river valleys in China, India, Africa and the Near East.

Who starts 'civilisation' is tricky.

The first documented human 'town' is Catal Huyuk in Turkey (c. 8,000 BC).

But civilisation proper presupposes organisation, politics, surplus produce, law, writing, specilaisation, religion... many, many things.

It appears in Mesopotamia c.3,500 BC with the first cities; Ur, Eridu and Uruk, and on the Nile around 3,000 BC.

Chinese archaeology is changing all the time, but current estimates give villages appearing on the Yellow River (Shang era) by 1,800 BC.

Along the Indus a great civilisation appears in the 4th millennium BC at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, but which disappear in the 2nd millennium BC.

Did you read all of that?

Well done

Whence homo erectus?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

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over a year ago

(my opinion post Archaeology degree)

Dunno. Probably something to do with monumental state structures and specified occupations with class distinctions.

... Ask an anthropologist.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Modern humans evolved around 30,000 yrs ago. By c. 10,000 yrs humans had colonised most of the planet and by c. 8,000 yrs ago had domesticating animals and started farming.

Farming is the key.

Farming allows for larger populations, tied to an area of land.

So, by 6,000 BC human colonies had sprung up on river valleys in China, India, Africa and the Near East.

Who starts 'civilisation' is tricky.

The first documented human 'town' is Catal Huyuk in Turkey (c. 8,000 BC).

But civilisation proper presupposes organisation, politics, surplus produce, law, writing, specilaisation, religion... many, many things.

It appears in Mesopotamia c.3,500 BC with the first cities; Ur, Eridu and Uruk, and on the Nile around 3,000 BC.

Chinese archaeology is changing all the time, but current estimates give villages appearing on the Yellow River (Shang era) by 1,800 BC.

Along the Indus a great civilisation appears in the 4th millennium BC at Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa, but which disappear in the 2nd millennium BC.

Did you read all of that?

Well done

Whence homo erectus?"

He went the way of the White Whale

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Thither?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Thither?"

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still none the wiser as to how the study of ancient cultures in any way relates to philosophy.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

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By *ust TallMan
over a year ago

weston-super-mare

Can I just add my two penneth - I've seen some people mention religion on here, well wherever religion rules civility and thus civilisation doesn't!

You just need to look at FGM in Africa or the way women are treated as dirt by nearly all religions - that is NOT civilised, its barbaric. Rant over!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled."

Pederast?

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

You've not many philosophers have you?

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

Cinders? Perhaps not.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

You've not many philosophers have you?

Nah, not a fan of hipsters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

You've not many philosophers have you?

Nah, not a fan of hipsters"

Pfft, fine then.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

You've not many philosophers have you?

Nah, not a fan of hipsters

Pfft, fine then. "

You're not a hipster!

Anyway, I like Karl Marx's last words (to his housekeeper, who asked him if he had any last words);

"GET OUT! GET OUT! LAST WORDS ARE FOR FOOLS WHO DIDN'T SAY ENOUGH WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE!"

Hipsters just can't do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

You've not many philosophers have you?

Nah, not a fan of hipsters

Pfft, fine then.

You're not a hipster!

Anyway, I like Karl Marx's last words (to his housekeeper, who asked him if he had any last words);

"GET OUT! GET OUT! LAST WORDS ARE FOR FOOLS WHO DIDN'T SAY ENOUGH WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE!"

Hipsters just can't do that."

I get called a hipster a lot. But then again, this is in part because I don't watch TV.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

"Thither?

Did you see that?

I was being pedantic

And I'm a pedarist which is a past conjugation but fondly recalled.

Pederast?

I c wot u did thither

I had a good, hard shag earlier in front of the fire and it's made me all philosophical tonight

You've not many philosophers have you?

Nah, not a fan of hipsters

Pfft, fine then.

You're not a hipster!

Anyway, I like Karl Marx's last words (to his housekeeper, who asked him if he had any last words);

"GET OUT! GET OUT! LAST WORDS ARE FOR FOOLS WHO DIDN'T SAY ENOUGH WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE!"

Hipsters just can't do that."

I've Das Kapital tattooed on my bum. Have you got Marx on your arse?

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By *eneRoissyMan
over a year ago

Nailsworth

I read a fascinating article that postulated that the Biblical Genesis was an allegory for the Agricultural Revolution... it threw a whole new light on Adam and Eve being thrown out of the hunter-gatherer garden of Eden and becoming farmers with Cain and Able. The time period is about right too at about 10,000 years. So genisis might have not been a creation myth but a civilisation myth

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

That sounds interesting

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

Personally I think there has been far more advanced civilisations way beyond current academic record.

Just look at ancient sites such as gobekli tepe or pumu punku

We are missing large portions of our history

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Misleading question... You start a potential time line using BC ... Like me there are many who beleive such a person didn't exist so doesn't relate to your question.

So what year exactly are you living in? Lol

Do you write some other year rather than 2016 #intigued#

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think there has been far more advanced civilisations way beyond current academic record.

Just look at ancient sites such as gobekli tepe or pumu punku

We are missing large portions of our history "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Still none the wiser as to how the study of ancient cultures in any way relates to philosophy.

Study the past, if you would divine the future.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older... "

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Humanity is far from civilised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing. "

Was there a sloth?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing.

Was there a sloth?"

What do you mean?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sid the Sloth was most civilised.

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing. "

Sounds interesting it's that by David childriss?

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"Sid the Sloth was most civilised."

Totally but the squirrel cracks me up after that nut

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing.

Sounds interesting it's that by David childriss? "

Graham Hancock.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Sid the Sloth was most civilised."

Haha

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By *avrick15 OP Man
over a year ago

glasgow

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing.

Sounds interesting it's that by David childriss?

Graham Hancock. "

I knew I recognised the name of the book. He speaks very well and interesting points especially when he challenges top Egyptologist Zawi Hawass

Would you recommend it as a good read then?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing.

Sounds interesting it's that by David childriss?

Graham Hancock.

I knew I recognised the name of the book. He speaks very well and interesting points especially when he challenges top Egyptologist Zawi Hawass

Would you recommend it as a good read then? "

Yes, it starts off with a representative from the USA map people or something being very confused by the Piri Reis map compiled in 1513 showing Antarctica in great detail but without ice.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion."

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all...

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all..."

Fucking us up would be more accurate. Look where we are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all...

Fucking us up would be more accurate. Look where we are."

Here. A few thousand years on. Still here...

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all...

Fucking us up would be more accurate. Look where we are.

Here. A few thousand years on. Still here..."

Imagine if you can a world without religion, open your mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all...

Fucking us up would be more accurate. Look where we are.

Here. A few thousand years on. Still here...

Imagine if you can a world without religion, open your mind."

My open mind has got fuck all to do with your disregard for history.

I have little time for religion. I don't have a great deal of it for ignorance either.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Personally I think there has been far more advanced civilisations way beyond current academic record.

Just look at ancient sites such as gobekli tepe or pumu punku

We are missing large portions of our history "

A certain restaurant chain were missing large portions and now they are ancient history.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

How old do you believe civilisation to be?

2000 years starting with the birth of Christ and the world 6000 years old

6000bc going back to the Sumerians in ancient Persia with the first recorded writing

Or older...

I read a book called 'fingerprints of the gods' which outlines evidence for a civilisation that was flourishing circa 10,000 years ago, i.e. just after the last ice age which was intriguing.

Sounds interesting it's that by David childriss?

Graham Hancock.

I knew I recognised the name of the book. He speaks very well and interesting points especially when he challenges top Egyptologist Zawi Hawass

Would you recommend it as a good read then?

Yes, it starts off with a representative from the USA map people or something being very confused by the Piri Reis map compiled in 1513 showing Antarctica in great detail but without ice. "

Sorry, veto. Graham Hancock is pseudo-crypto-bullshit-no-no.

He makes stuff up and then interweaves it with real history and then folds in a gallon of supposition.

Not good history.

In fact; not history.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all...

Fucking us up would be more accurate. Look where we are.

Here. A few thousand years on. Still here...

Imagine if you can a world without religion, open your mind.

My open mind has got fuck all to do with your disregard for history.

I have little time for religion. I don't have a great deal of it for ignorance either."

No, you've probably got enough of your own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well, however old it is it's got fuckall to do with religion.

That's an odd statement.

Religion seeming to have had a pretty big role in getting us to where we are today and all...

Fucking us up would be more accurate. Look where we are.

Here. A few thousand years on. Still here...

Imagine if you can a world without religion, open your mind.

My open mind has got fuck all to do with your disregard for history.

I have little time for religion. I don't have a great deal of it for ignorance either.

No, you've probably got enough of your own."

Good one

Thanks for your considered contribution to the debate.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

If you're defining civilisation as when agriculture started the oldest one so far is the Mesopotamian civilisation, circa 8,000BC. However someone drew all those cave drawings in the Lascaux caves, about 17,000 years ago. Hunter gatherers would have grouped together, just not in numbers that we started to once agriculture was started.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The first extensive study of Indigenous Australians' DNA dates their origin to more than 50,000 years ago, backing the claim that they are the most ancient continuous civilisation on Earth.

(from the Telegraph)

and then there's the question of where they came from... and who was the first etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I'd say it started with the Greek empire circa 500bc.

In terms of philosophy, science,mathematics, medicine and politics they were in essence a modern civilisation

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over a year ago

"Personally I'd say it started with the Greek empire circa 500bc.

In terms of philosophy, science,mathematics, medicine and politics they were in essence a modern civilisation"

The Chinese were doing that stuff much earlier.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"The first extensive study of Indigenous Australians' DNA dates their origin to more than 50,000 years ago, backing the claim that they are the most ancient continuous civilisation on Earth.

(from the Telegraph)

and then there's the question of where they came from... and who was the first etc."

Good call.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what and who decides what is advanced?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

arent cave paintings and the like classed as writen records?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

paintings boomerangs and loincloths..more cultural references than proof of civilisation id imagine

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