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anyone go church on here ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do.

I don't have to explain how it 'works', it's just something I like to do sometimes. I haven't been struck by lightning yet and no one sings kumbaya.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's what Jesus would want

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop

Why are the 2 exclusive?

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over a year ago

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

I go occasionally. I don't believe in God. I go for calmness and thinking space. I feel at peace in a religious space.

My spiritualality is not connected to who I open my legs for.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I do.

I don't have to explain how it 'works', it's just something I like to do sometimes. I haven't been struck by lightning yet and no one sings kumbaya."

your going to hell, your book/bible says so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"

You get on your back and open your legs for total strangers??

Good man!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"

No one sings kumbaya where I go for mass

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kumbaya basically means ..... Come by Here

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

You get on your back and open your legs for total strangers??

Good man!!"

I'll do anything if you get me d*unk enough sweetheart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The church and contradiction? Who'd have thought it...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The church and contradiction? Who'd have thought it..."

ZING!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

You get on your back and open your legs for total strangers??

Good man!!

I'll do anything if you get me d*unk enough sweetheart "

It's okay thanks, you stay sober.

So are you 'Fab straight'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to go with my Grampy years ago. He sought solace in faith after my Uncle died suddenly on holiday in Spain.

I was a Girl Guide too and we were required to attend a Church service once a month.

Not embarressed or ashamed by it. Religion and belief give comfort to some.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I do...not as often as I'd like to though. I don't need to explain why or how it works for me, it just does. I don't think this tiny aspect of my life is sufficient to send me to hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

"

What he really wants is attention.

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By *TFSeventyMan
over a year ago

Weybridge


"It's what Jesus would want "
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This has made my day ??????

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Not yet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention."

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was of the understanding that being a christian is about having a relationship with God than following the bible to the letter. We go to Church occaisionally but by no means deeply religious, besides our old vicar always said as long as it was between consenting adults then its all good!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! "

Priceless comment!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was of the understanding that being a christian is about having a relationship with God than following the bible to the letter. We go to Church occaisionally but by no means deeply religious, besides our old vicar always said as long as it was between consenting adults then its all good!! "

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By *mber GamblerCouple
over a year ago

rugby


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention."

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

You get on your back and open your legs for total strangers??

Good man!!

I'll do anything if you get me d*unk enough sweetheart

It's okay thanks, you stay sober.

So are you 'Fab straight'?"

nope not fab straight, I'm the normal kind of straight

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention."

I get pleanty of attention, thanks for caring though

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Yes, I do.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"I was of the understanding that being a christian is about having a relationship with God than following the bible to the letter. We go to Church occaisionally but by no means deeply religious, besides our old vicar always said as long as it was between consenting adults then its all good!! "
An excellent post . In ideal circumstances the bible would be updated to reflect modern times .

The church have no interest in anyone's swinging activities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I get pleanty of attention, thanks for caring though "

Caring??

Nope, not in the slightest.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"
The two activities are entirely unrelated.

You simply go to church to worship god .

This activity has no relation to swinging .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea!

Priceless comment!!"

not really it was a weak comment like the faith of the church goers on here

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! "
I wish I had thought of that .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too. "

yep

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"
As you asked the question , do you go to church?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep"

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! I wish I had thought of that . "

why would you want to think of a lame comment ? know many 36 year old's that still have homework or their mum calling them for tea ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are."

you seem upset

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! I wish I had thought of that .

why would you want to think of a lame comment ? know many 36 year old's that still have homework or their mum calling them for tea ?"

But you're 40 on your profile....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset "

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

"

yeah sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

yeah sure "

Excellent entertainment!

Had tea now?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! I wish I had thought of that .

why would you want to think of a lame comment ? know many 36 year old's that still have homework or their mum calling them for tea ?

But you're 40 on your profile...."

well I'm actually 36 but 36/40 it don't matter the comment was still lame

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

yeah sure

Excellent entertainment!

Had tea now?"

old people have tea...have you had yours ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! I wish I had thought of that .

why would you want to think of a lame comment ? know many 36 year old's that still have homework or their mum calling them for tea ?

But you're 40 on your profile....

well I'm actually 36 but 36/40 it don't matter the comment was still lame "

Maybe they felt the comment was suited to the behaviour??

Just saying....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

yeah sure

Excellent entertainment!

Had tea now?

old people have tea...have you had yours ?"

Children have mummy call them for it.

Finished yours?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! I wish I had thought of that .

why would you want to think of a lame comment ? know many 36 year old's that still have homework or their mum calling them for tea ?

But you're 40 on your profile....

well I'm actually 36 but 36/40 it don't matter the comment was still lame

Maybe they felt the comment was suited to the behaviour??

Just saying...."

oh I'm sorry if my behaviour offended your delicate sensibilities

p.s sorry for upsetting you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

Bugger. Just noticed the time. Just after homework but before mum has called him down for tea! I wish I had thought of that .

why would you want to think of a lame comment ? know many 36 year old's that still have homework or their mum calling them for tea ?

But you're 40 on your profile....

well I'm actually 36 but 36/40 it don't matter the comment was still lame

Maybe they felt the comment was suited to the behaviour??

Just saying....

oh I'm sorry if my behaviour offended your delicate sensibilities

p.s sorry for upsetting you "

Not upset here Lumpy. This is the best comedy all day!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

yeah sure

Excellent entertainment!

Had tea now?

old people have tea...have you had yours ?

Children have mummy call them for it.

Finished yours?"

lame

see your lips are moving but their other peoples words aka you got no game

you mad!

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"It's what Jesus would want "

Ha ha probably

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By *eeowlsMan
over a year ago

sheffield

I go to my local church every Saturday when at home and on some week nights too my local church where I sing and chant along with 1000s of other church goers and my church is Hillsborough football stadium the only church I enjoy visiting and will keep doing so for the rest of my life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

yeah sure

Excellent entertainment!

Had tea now?

old people have tea...have you had yours ?

Children have mummy call them for it.

Finished yours?

lame

see your lips are moving but their other peoples words aka you got no game

you mad! "

English not your first language?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

my first post was a legitimate question

but some of the god fearing people of fab have got their granny pants in a twist over it

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"I was of the understanding that being a christian is about having a relationship with God than following the bible to the letter. We go to Church occaisionally but by no means deeply religious, besides our old vicar always said as long as it was between consenting adults then its all good!! "

In some cases this didn't work out for the choirboys though...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Occasionally.

But what you're really wanting is to scream hypocrisy at those who admit to going.

What he really wants is attention.

I don't think so. Maybe he just wants some answers to a genuine question. When I first saw his question. I was pretty interested too.

yep

Nope.

From his comments on here it is quite clear what his intentions are.

you seem upset

Not in the slightest.

We find this all really amusing!!

yeah sure

Excellent entertainment!

Had tea now?

old people have tea...have you had yours ?

Children have mummy call them for it.

Finished yours?

lame

see your lips are moving but their other peoples words aka you got no game

you mad!

English not your first language?"

guessing you never seen the ''you mad bro'' pics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Given the bible is packed from cover to cover with hypocrisy, contradiction, rape, murder, misogyny, homophobia, racism, xenophobia and fuck knows how many other thinly veiled examples of evil and propaganda, that I'd imagine God finds swingers rather tame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theologically, there is no halfway house here.

Fornication and Adultery is sin in the eyes of God, and his followers i.e. Committed Christians who accept Jesus, God's Son, as Lord and Saviour, have their sins forgiven, but are then commanded to live a sin free life. Impossible of course in practice, but eliminating the obvious would help towards that. I think swinging comes into the fornication and adultery category.

Going to church is perfectly OK but not as a circle of getting sins forgiven, only for the same to be committed again.

I'm a lapsed Christian who ended up divorced due to my adulterous ways. Going to church was not sufficient to prevent my conscience confessing in the end. I have lost close ties with my ex and 2 grown up children. They are both leaders in churches, and do not agree with my lifestyle choices.

There are swinging Christian groups in USA, an oxymoron, and indeed therapy groups to "free" men and women from the "bondage" of sexual sin.

I respect all those who may disagree, and I am only giving my opinion because I know my own failings.

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"Given the bible is packed from cover to cover with hypocrisy, contradiction, rape, murder, misogyny, homophobia, racism, xenophobia and fuck knows how many other thinly veiled examples of evil and propaganda, that I'd imagine God finds swingers rather tame. "

This

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

is this the wrong time, to claim to be the messiah again ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's impossible to follow a religion and not be accused of hypocrisy. But even as an atheist I've always been of the belief that religion is (on btoadterms) a guide not a rule book. If someone can justify their own moral code and lifestyle with their religious beliefs who am I to question whether it is hypocritical or not?

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By *mber GamblerCouple
over a year ago

rugby

The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently. "

Amen sister

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow

You don't need ANY book to tell you how to live, be a good person, give selflessly, live and love well and one day you might not burn in eternal agony because you broke one of those ten rules set by an imaginary figure sat on high watching everything you do

But he loves you.....

Crock of shit... in my humble opinion. each to their own, believe and practice what you like but just don't force anyone else to believe in it too.

Freedom of choice is what it is to be truly free

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab is my church. This is where I heal my hurts.

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"Fab is my church. This is where I heal my hurts. "

Amen... all the sexy ladies to the front and on their knees ready to repent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fab is my church. This is where I heal my hurts.

Amen... all the sexy ladies to the front and on their knees ready to repent "

For tonight God is a swinger

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By *olmfirthboyoMan
over a year ago

huddersfield

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently. "

In Christianity, all you need is faith in Jesus to be saved. Lucky for fabbers haha

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over a year ago


"Given the bible is packed from cover to cover with hypocrisy, contradiction, rape, murder, misogyny, homophobia, racism, xenophobia and fuck knows how many other thinly veiled examples of evil and propaganda, that I'd imagine God finds swingers rather tame. "

Bit like game of thrones really isnt it?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I'm pretty good at singing Hymns and was in the choir at school if that counts #agnostic

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Given the bible is packed from cover to cover with hypocrisy, contradiction, rape, murder, misogyny, homophobia, racism, xenophobia and fuck knows how many other thinly veiled examples of evil and propaganda, that I'd imagine God finds swingers rather tame.

Bit like game of thrones really isnt it?"

lmfao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently. "
That is right and as well if someone is not straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"

What's your point exactly? Are you suggesting that those who go to church arn't allowed a sex life. Dear Lord.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

Sex is rarely mentioned in the Bible,even less so in the new testament. And still less in churches.

I'm sure those who have never attended think it is the be all and end all of faith.

It's like saying swingers only talk about the evils of bareback sex.

It's a minority discussion on the forums but not as big as the hype some give it. Never discussed bareback sex at a club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I started going in 2014 (used to go to the boys church service and christingle before that) but after the worst year of my life I stopped going.

It is something I like doing though, I like the community feel, having a good old sing song, I can't explain it

G x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab commandment 1 thou shalt not have bareback

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"I started going in 2014 (used to go to the boys church service and christingle before that) but after the worst year of my life I stopped going.

It is something I like doing though, I like the community feel, having a good old sing song, I can't explain it

G x"

Do what makes you feel happy

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow


"Fab commandment 1 thou shalt not have bareback"

Unless with one of the preaching disciples of course... holy men can't catch stds

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"I do.

I don't have to explain how it 'works', it's just something I like to do sometimes. I haven't been struck by lightning yet and no one sings kumbaya.

your going to hell, your book/bible says so "

No it doesn't. There's far more to Christianity and religion in general than just whom we can or cannot sleep with. Sex accounts for such a tiny tiny part of the Bible/Christian teaching yet it seems that's all the non religious seem to be obsessed with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fab commandment 1 thou shalt not have bareback

Unless with one of the preaching disciples of course... holy men can't catch stds "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fab commandment 2 thou shalt not mention the clique

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By *eesideMan
over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea

I have a job in 1 if that counts ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was of the understanding that being a christian is about having a relationship with God than following the bible to the letter. We go to Church occaisionally but by no means deeply religious, besides our old vicar always said as long as it was between consenting adults then its all good!!

In some cases this didn't work out for the choirboys though... "

But choirboys don't fit the consenting adults bit do they

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

I went to a christening earlier this year....first time I've been inside a church in a very long time.

Made me feel Very very uncomfortable sat in there listening to what was being said.

I've no issue with people following religion, but it's 100% not for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong"

The bible says lots of things, most of it shit.

Fuck the bible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"

Religious folk are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in their instruction manuals until the words mean exactly what they want them to mean. They've been doing it for a couple of thousand years now, so it's quite easy to do.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

Religious folk are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in their instruction manuals until the words mean exactly what they want them to mean. They've been doing it for a couple of thousand years now, so it's quite easy to do."

Just like everyone else.

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By *ockyjohnMan
over a year ago

North West

Christianity - one woman's lie that got out of control

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't object to the concept of a deity, but I'm baffled by the notion of one that takes attendance.

Any Farrah Fowler AKA Sheldon's squeeze

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do.

I don't have to explain how it 'works', it's just something I like to do sometimes. I haven't been struck by lightning yet and no one sings kumbaya.

your going to hell, your book/bible says so

No it doesn't. There's far more to Christianity and religion in general than just whom we can or cannot sleep with. Sex accounts for such a tiny tiny part of the Bible/Christian teaching yet it seems that's all the non religious seem to be obsessed with."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In other words how do you fit your faith with your sexual decadence then ?

Well we are human after all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

"

do they have gloryholes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently. "

Because it's a book of its time. It's mired in its social and political context. Very few Christians believe in the bible as a literal text, and the concept of hell as a burny place. You can believe in God without subscribing to that.

You don't have to understand it, or like it, but don't presume to tell people that if they do x, y, or z they can't "truly" believe.

My local Catholic Church has a big sign up outside saying everyone is welcome, whatever their marital status, sexuality or nationality. Does that mean the priest isn't a real Catholic? Can't be a true believer because he welcomes homosexuals in his parish?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a Muslim. So I go to where ever the hell they go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

Religious folk are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in their instruction manuals until the words mean exactly what they want them to mean. They've been doing it for a couple of thousand years now, so it's quite easy to do.

Just like everyone else."

True, but non-religious folk don't have the "book" to hide behind, or use to justify their actions. Personally, I think the bad of religion outweighs the good.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

Not seen the other posts op - but I was a regular Churchgoer until I started swinging - a Sunday school teacher in fact!

After I first attended a club and carried out a couple of fantasies (mff and mmf) I had a huge amount of guilt when I next attended church!

The bible links morality with sex at every level! Unless you have one on one, heterosexual sex within marriage then you are committing a major sin and are inherently 'bad' (interestingly, men at that time could have hundreds of wives (if they could afford them) - so it was only women who were expected to be monogamous - usually to a husband they didn't choose!)

As I was already questioning my faith (always had major issues with the bible's homophobia, for instance, and the huge amount of damage/grief this has subsequently (and still does) cause! ) I decided that I couldn't marry swinging and church and chose swinging!

I now have faith in 'a god' but not the judgemental God of the bible who links sex so inextricably with immorality and sin! I believe you can be a good person and shag someone different every day - the bible, the church and most of society would disagree with me there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not seen the other posts op - but I was a regular Churchgoer until I started swinging - a Sunday school teacher in fact!

After I first attended a club and carried out a couple of fantasies (mff and mmf) I had a huge amount of guilt when I next attended church!

The bible links morality with sex at every level! Unless you have one on one, heterosexual sex within marriage then you are committing a major sin and are inherently 'bad' (interestingly, men at that time could have hundreds of wives (if they could afford them) - so it was only women who were expected to be monogamous - usually to a husband they didn't choose!)

As I was already questioning my faith (always had major issues with the bible's homophobia, for instance, and the huge amount of damage/grief this has subsequently (and still does) cause! ) I decided that I couldn't marry swinging and church and chose swinging!

I now have faith in 'a god' but not the judgemental God of the bible who links sex so inextricably with immorality and sin! I believe you can be a good person and shag someone different every day - the bible, the church and most of society would disagree with me there! "
your not wrong there.....

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently. "

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point."

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing. "

I couldn't agree more.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

I am many things.

I am a wife and mother.

I am a lover.

I am a neighbour and a friend.

I am a colleague and professional.

I am a swinger and a Christian.

Some people will mock and judge me.

Some will question my ability or commitment.

But that doesn't matter.

I am who I am.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"I am many things.

I am a wife and mother.

I am a lover.

I am a neighbour and a friend.

I am a colleague and professional.

I am a swinger and a Christian.

Some people will mock and judge me.

Some will question my ability or commitment.

But that doesn't matter.

I am who I am.

"

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing. "

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there."

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm not religious in the slightest but wouldnt judge someone being Christian and swinging. If they live their life trying to do good it's got to be ok in my simplistic mind.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience. "

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"I'm not religious in the slightest but wouldnt judge someone being Christian and swinging. If they live their life trying to do good it's got to be ok in my simplistic mind."

I am not judging anyone - I am simply saying the practice is expressly forbidden in the religion.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

live and let live..

I can imagine the sheer head up their arsines of those who think what someone else believes in and what they do in bed etc would go out the window in a jiffy where one of those people to want to do the wild thing with them..

can only think that such people at a club or in a party ask some probing questions to verify they are not to be an accessory in sinful behaviour's..

the ones I cant abide are the ones who use their religion, their god to try and prove a point in a debate..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine."

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I do.

I don't have to explain how it 'works', it's just something I like to do sometimes. I haven't been struck by lightning yet and no one sings kumbaya.

your going to hell, your book/bible says so "

And that's why you go confession!!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality. "

So maybe you missed them, or maybe the church you are going to chooses to avoid the subject for some reason, but I assure you it is still 100% the position of the vast majority of the Christian church that promiscuity of all kinds is expressly against Christian doctrine.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

Religious folk are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in their instruction manuals until the words mean exactly what they want them to mean. They've been doing it for a couple of thousand years now, so it's quite easy to do."

very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

So maybe you missed them, or maybe the church you are going to chooses to avoid the subject for some reason, but I assure you it is still 100% the position of the vast majority of the Christian church that promiscuity of all kinds is expressly against Christian doctrine."

I'm not disputing that. But I'm saying that this isn't the area that most of the people who actually practice or teach that religion focus on anymore. It's not about picking and choosing, or hypocrisy, it's about what's regarded as most relevant to the society we live in now.

Unless I've just found an unfeasibly liberal Catholic Church.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

God loves a sinner

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

i am a heathen, i have been struck down by lightning twice this lifetime and therefore i am enjoying my road to hell, i think other peoples hell, is my heaven..i dont need someone between me and the goo..i am the goo and everything else is goo and yes that isn't a typo..

if god was a judgemental or as forgiving as 'he's' made out to be, doesn't sound the kind of thing id be interested in anyway, ill stick to taking responsibility for my own life, thanks..

if it works for others that's ok too, its quantum playground, people can do what they want, its them, that has to look at themselves in the mirror, every day x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing "

But you're having sex outside of marriage?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality. "

so your saying lust isn't classed as a sin

and adultery dam sure is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't, but couldn't care less if others do Sin x

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over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

so your saying lust isn't classed as a sin

and adultery dam sure is "

No. Read the words that I've actually written.

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over a year ago

Gotta laugh at some of the comments on here. If I'd have known religion was a pick 'n' mix I might have been tempted.

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over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality. "

Personally, even though not religious, I think no church and its doctrines are a mirror to society. So, I beleive that if you profess to be religious then you follow what ever doctrine you particular church's preach and shouldn't "live" outside of it otherwise you're not religious, it's not a mixed bag of sweets that you can pick and choose from.

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over a year ago


"Gotta laugh at some of the comments on here. If I'd have known religion was a pick 'n' mix I might have been tempted."

best post so far! you blue peter badge is in the post

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over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? "
That would be cheating tho?.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

So maybe you missed them, or maybe the church you are going to chooses to avoid the subject for some reason, but I assure you it is still 100% the position of the vast majority of the Christian church that promiscuity of all kinds is expressly against Christian doctrine.

I'm not disputing that. But I'm saying that this isn't the area that most of the people who actually practice or teach that religion focus on anymore. It's not about picking and choosing, or hypocrisy, it's about what's regarded as most relevant to the society we live in now.

Unless I've just found an unfeasibly liberal Catholic Church.

"

It may well be a liberal one where such things are brushed under the carpet and simply not addressed - that does happen a lot. Hell fire and damnation is not too popular nowadays either I understand!

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over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

Personally, even though not religious, I think no church and its doctrines are a mirror to society. So, I beleive that if you profess to be religious then you follow what ever doctrine you particular church's preach and shouldn't "live" outside of it otherwise you're not religious, it's not a mixed bag of sweets that you can pick and choose from."

So the example I gave earlier about my church expressly welcoming people of all sexualities. Should that priest no longer be able to call himself a catholic priest?

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over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

so your saying lust isn't classed as a sin

and adultery dam sure is

No. Read the words that I've actually written. "

nah it's easier and much more fun to poke fun at your loos faith

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

so your saying lust isn't classed as a sin

and adultery dam sure is

No. Read the words that I've actually written. "

Ruby...I'd love to reply privately to you, but your filters won't let me.

Be happy with who you are, and don't let the op bait you. He seems to be looking for an argument. You don't need to let anyone judge you. Life, people, and faith, are complicated enough.

Lisa xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Gotta laugh at some of the comments on here. If I'd have known religion was a pick 'n' mix I might have been tempted."

My school chaplain made a similar point years ago - that you didn't get pic and choose the beliefs you do and don't like.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

Religious folk are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in their instruction manuals until the words mean exactly what they want them to mean. They've been doing it for a couple of thousand years now, so it's quite easy to do.

Just like everyone else.

True, but non-religious folk don't have the "book" to hide behind, or use to justify their actions. Personally, I think the bad of religion outweighs the good."

Again you are assuming Christians use a book to justify things.

I don't assume agnostics or atheists use science to justify their choices.

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By *ikeAvalirMan
over a year ago

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I do! And those that knock it are not in a position to judge!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

so your saying lust isn't classed as a sin

and adultery dam sure is

No. Read the words that I've actually written.

Ruby...I'd love to reply privately to you, but your filters won't let me.

Be happy with who you are, and don't let the op bait you. He seems to be looking for an argument. You don't need to let anyone judge you. Life, people, and faith, are complicated enough.

Lisa xxx"

not bating her I just find it funny and if she is a true believe and believes what the bible says she's going to hell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

nah it's easier and much more fun to poke fun at your loos faith

"

Which religion does my toilet subscribe to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the saying goes we are all gods children even you OP so suck it up and get on with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

so your saying lust isn't classed as a sin

and adultery dam sure is

No. Read the words that I've actually written.

Ruby...I'd love to reply privately to you, but your filters won't let me.

Be happy with who you are, and don't let the op bait you. He seems to be looking for an argument. You don't need to let anyone judge you. Life, people, and faith, are complicated enough.

Lisa xxx"

Thanks, and don't worry I'm perfectly comfortable with me. I just find it odd the way everyone is telling me that I can't be this, or that. I take the approach of listening to people who are living the situation they are in and respecting their take on it, not standing on the outside telling them they are wrong. It's rather like me lecturing someone about their children, when I have none myself. Or telling everyone what it's like to be homeless, while having no experience of that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

nah it's easier and much more fun to poke fun at your loos faith

Which religion does my toilet subscribe to?"

oh I made a typo how funny hahaha

but I'll answer your question...probably Satan's if your sitting on it

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By *r SelectiveMan
over a year ago

newcastle


"I do.

I don't have to explain how it 'works', it's just something I like to do sometimes. I haven't been struck by lightning yet and no one sings kumbaya."

God Bless You My Child

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?."
I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

No, op. You're just behaving like an imature knob.

people can have their beliefs and live how they see fit, trying to do good and not harming anyone.

Your posts are intended to be hurtful.

Who is the worse person?"

I'm just going by what it says in the bible

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By *tt1Couple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

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By *eppoMan
over a year ago

London Colney

I go

Haven't sung Kumbayah my lord for quite a while !

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By *tt1Couple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire


"Not seen the other posts op - but I was a regular Churchgoer until I started swinging - a Sunday school teacher in fact!

After I first attended a club and carried out a couple of fantasies (mff and mmf) I had a huge amount of guilt when I next attended church!

The bible links morality with sex at every level! Unless you have one on one, heterosexual sex within marriage then you are committing a major sin and are inherently 'bad' (interestingly, men at that time could have hundreds of wives (if they could afford them) - so it was only women who were expected to be monogamous - usually to a husband they didn't choose!)

As I was already questioning my faith (always had major issues with the bible's homophobia, for instance, and the huge amount of damage/grief this has subsequently (and still does) cause! ) I decided that I couldn't marry swinging and church and chose swinging!

I now have faith in 'a god' but not the judgemental God of the bible who links sex so inextricably with immorality and sin! I believe you can be a good person and shag someone different every day - the bible, the church and most of society would disagree with me there! "

This

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

We've been to loads of swinging clubs UK and abroad and lots of parties.

Policepersons, Teachers, Social Workers, Judges, Prison officers, Doctors, Dentists, Actors, Musicians and many more.

They've all fessed up and got down and dirty with us.

But we've never to our knowledge met anyone involved in religion professionally or as a 'lay' person.

Has anyone else on here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity. Apparently.

Actually no - only unrepentant Jews maybe...Christians on the other hand are under grace, not law. That means that 'everything is permissable, not everything is beneficial', they are saved cos of who they put their faith in, not what they do.

However, they are clearly instructed not to do such things, and at the very least they would have to admit to 'not following their religion'. There are scriptures which suggest the whole salvation could be put in jeopardy by the kind of persistent wilful disobedience that swinging would involve, so you may have a point.

Except the post you've quoted says that people can't swing and "truly believe in God". I'd go along with that you can't swing and "truly practice most of the mainstream religions to the letter of their teaching" but that's a different thing.

I would go further because Christian teaching is unequivocal - 'don't do it' and it's fairly central. Yes, I agree you can believe of course, but you are no longer following, and there is a grey area there.

It's not actually that central. Issues of sex and sexuality are peripheral to what most mainstream Christian churches focus on now. In my experience.

They may not talk about it, but it is central and unequivocal in scripture, the gospels, and church doctrine.

Scripture, written two thousand or more years ago. The gospels, written two thousand years ago. Church doctrine, up to hundreds of years ago.

Versus the texts, messages and sermons that the people actually practicing those religions choose to focus on. I've probably been to church about 10 times this year. I can't think of a single sermon, bible or gospel reading I've heard in that time that's dealt with issues of sex or sexuality.

Personally, even though not religious, I think no church and its doctrines are a mirror to society. So, I beleive that if you profess to be religious then you follow what ever doctrine you particular church's preach and shouldn't "live" outside of it otherwise you're not religious, it's not a mixed bag of sweets that you can pick and choose from.

So the example I gave earlier about my church expressly welcoming people of all sexualities. Should that priest no longer be able to call himself a catholic priest? "

I don't know the catholic church's doctrine intimately but if a person is advocating a different doctrine then no. Surely if the church was right in the first place then the person should follow the church and not the church alter to accommodate the person?

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By *ikeAvalirMan
over a year ago

somewhere different

Some people would look intelligent saying nothing, instead of speaking and looking simple! Armistice day has only just gone, we remembered those that fought to keep us free and safe, the ability to make decisions, multiple faiths fought and flew side by side to keep us free and give us the right to choose. So before you judge, think of relatives of yours that died to give us the freedom of choice, was it in vain? Don't judge, you ask a question then ridicule people, you are small minded!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

God abhors the sin but loves the sinner.

We all have a chance to repent.

It's that simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I started going in 2014 (used to go to the boys church service and christingle before that) but after the worst year of my life I stopped going.

It is something I like doing though, I like the community feel, having a good old sing song, I can't explain it

G x

Do what makes you feel happy "

I say this regularly I only want to see geeky being happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?.I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around."

Yes but that's still sex with someone who isn't your spouse. It's still the sin of fornication. Not that I'm that bothered, just that if I'm going to hell I'm dragging you with me

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Some people would look intelligent saying nothing, instead of speaking and looking simple! Armistice day has only just gone, we remembered those that fought to keep us free and safe, the ability to make decisions, multiple faiths fought and flew side by side to keep us free and give us the right to choose. So before you judge, think of relatives of yours that died to give us the freedom of choice, was it in vain? Don't judge, you ask a question then ridicule people, you are small minded!"

I've ridiculed no one and not judging I'm going by what the bible said so I'm questioning their faith is all

try to keep up or go sit at the kids table

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I go to a Buddhist temple.

I'm uncomfortable with Christian places of worship, they make me uneasy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

Religious folk are able to twist and turn every word or phrase in their instruction manuals until the words mean exactly what they want them to mean. They've been doing it for a couple of thousand years now, so it's quite easy to do.

Just like everyone else.

True, but non-religious folk don't have the "book" to hide behind, or use to justify their actions. Personally, I think the bad of religion outweighs the good.

Again you are assuming Christians use a book to justify things.

I don't assume agnostics or atheists use science to justify their choices."

The basis of all major religions is a book written by humans. Everything else about the particular religion comes from interpretations made by other humans. Then, other humans come along and add their twist to the plot. Two thousand years later you have a Chinese whispers scenario that is always correct, in the eyes of the person who believes it. Knee-benders are twisty turny folk.

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By *ikeAvalirMan
over a year ago

somewhere different


"Some people would look intelligent saying nothing, instead of speaking and looking simple! Armistice day has only just gone, we remembered those that fought to keep us free and safe, the ability to make decisions, multiple faiths fought and flew side by side to keep us free and give us the right to choose. So before you judge, think of relatives of yours that died to give us the freedom of choice, was it in vain? Don't judge, you ask a question then ridicule people, you are small minded!

I've ridiculed no one and not judging I'm going by what the bible said so I'm questioning their faith is all

try to keep up or go sit at the kids table "

I didn't mention names!

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


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your going to hell, your book/bible says so

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So by that logic, will all the soldiers who are Christian be there too? And some law enforcement officers too?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"The Bible says adultery and sex before marriage is wrong. There are countless verses saying it's wrong. It's immoral. I think many people say they believe in God. But if they truly believed. Believed there was a hell. Believed the Bible and everything in it. I don't think they would be a swinger. Because they would go to hell. To burn for eternity.

Apparently. That is right and as well if someone is not straight."

Does that mean I'm going to Hell, Shag?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?.I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around.

Yes but that's still sex with someone who isn't your spouse. It's still the sin of fornication. Not that I'm that bothered, just that if I'm going to hell I'm dragging you with me "
It is fine to have sex with others if you are single tho, so cant see how it is a sin, alhough, for a married couple, it would be

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?.I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around.

Yes but that's still sex with someone who isn't your spouse. It's still the sin of fornication. Not that I'm that bothered, just that if I'm going to hell I'm dragging you with me It is fine to have sex with others if you are single tho, so cant see how it is a sin, alhough, for a married couple, it would be "

It's a sin for singles to have sex too, Shag. Married, straight and in the missionary position only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to a born again happy clappy church for 25 years and spent many years in sexual frustration as a result. I left for other reasons such as learning to think for myself and finding the illogical inconsistencies of Christian beliefs (which are often contrary to what the Bible says incidentally). I look back now in my forties with much regret that I missed out on so much sexual fun when I was younger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

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Actually a good question but could of been a little more diplomatic.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"how does that work ?

one day your on your back spreading your legs for some random stranger you met on this site

the next day your sat there singing kumbaya my lord

Actually a good question but could of been a little more diplomatic.

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true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?.I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around.

Yes but that's still sex with someone who isn't your spouse. It's still the sin of fornication. Not that I'm that bothered, just that if I'm going to hell I'm dragging you with me It is fine to have sex with others if you are single tho, so cant see how it is a sin, alhough, for a married couple, it would be

It's a sin for singles to have sex too, Shag. Married, straight and in the missionary position only.

"
The missionary position is a good one to have it in too

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?.I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around.

Yes but that's still sex with someone who isn't your spouse. It's still the sin of fornication. Not that I'm that bothered, just that if I'm going to hell I'm dragging you with me It is fine to have sex with others if you are single tho, so cant see how it is a sin, alhough, for a married couple, it would be

It's a sin for singles to have sex too, Shag. Married, straight and in the missionary position only.

The missionary position is a good one to have it in too "

Sorry Shag, just to recap on something you said earlier...

I'm not straight.

Does that mean I'm going to Hell?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It always amazes me on these discussions that if someone says they follow a religion they are expected to justify themselves.

In any other personal decision that's legal, if someone asked you to justify it the accepted answer would be fuck off.

None of us hold the moral high ground and no one has the right to ridicule someone's standpoint.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Great place to pick up chicks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am a christian. I dont go to church and I dont follow the bible to the full. I am single and got no sins, but the bible do say few things about married couples who swing

But you're having sex outside of marriage? That would be cheating tho?.I know what you meant now and yes, that would be fine, as singles just shag around.

Yes but that's still sex with someone who isn't your spouse. It's still the sin of fornication. Not that I'm that bothered, just that if I'm going to hell I'm dragging you with me It is fine to have sex with others if you are single tho, so cant see how it is a sin, alhough, for a married couple, it would be

It's a sin for singles to have sex too, Shag. Married, straight and in the missionary position only.

The missionary position is a good one to have it in too

Sorry Shag, just to recap on something you said earlier...

I'm not straight.

Does that mean I'm going to Hell?

"
And no, no you wouldnt there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I hope they serve beer in hell

great film

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It always amazes me on these discussions that if someone says they follow a religion they are expected to justify themselves.

In any other personal decision that's legal, if someone asked you to justify it the accepted answer would be fuck off.

None of us hold the moral high ground and no one has the right to ridicule someone's standpoint."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now What was that quote from little Nicky.....

Ah yes!

Let the sin begin!

Orgy! Orgy! Orgy! Orgy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be a Sunday School Teacher

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I used to be a Sunday School Teacher "

Me too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'll delete my comment cos I might **potentially** start a fight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*I'm also not religious at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After a wedding over the summer a guest and I snuck into the chapel and committed some unholy sins, are we doomed?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think I'll end this thread as I don't want to be struck by lightening which is a daft thing to say because who does, eh?

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By *reygorCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

ex forces the chaplin blessed us for a safe return with the holy book in his hand .went inflicted death on the enemy came back got blessed again .and now am only fucking and playing with fabbers recon i can go to church .no disrespect to any one .

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By *exysuzi and Mr.SCouple
over a year ago

CONISTON .Stoke Suburbia. Staffs. BARMOUTH. The Lakes (Monthly)

There is no such person as god. End of, Nuff said xxxxx Suzi

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