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"do we have to go here again? https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/566106" Oops you beat me to it | |||
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"Wasn't this one done the other day?" Yes. OP, watch this please: http://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" No. Question answered. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" That's just a stupid question | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" I hope this is a joke? | |||
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"and in fact we have Music of White Origin awards; for example folk music awards.... some would claim the Country Music Awards etc. The MOBOs are music of Black origin... nothing more or less; the influences of different cultures on todays music; and as with all music awards the winners are people drawn from all different backgrounds and cultures; the name of the awards pay homage to the inspiration of the theme of the music genre.... why do you see this as racist OP?" totally agree | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? I hope this is a joke?" It's not. In fab forum land, this here OP is a grenade. He's pulled the pin, dropped it and legged his ass out of here to avoid the flak. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? I hope this is a joke? It's not. In fab forum land, this here OP is a grenade. He's pulled the pin, dropped it and legged his ass out of here to avoid the flak. " Or as I like to hope, he has raised a question and has been provided a thread to read to expand his thinking and some links and is busily reading/digesting/learning and will come back enlightened. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" how exactly is it racist? is a black board racist? is a blackbird racist? are black beans racist?? just because something refers to a colour in its title it doesnt mean it is racist. The music is of black origin, undeniably....all races can and do win awards so there is no preferential treatment to any one race. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered." That was quick! Pub? | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? I hope this is a joke? It's not. In fab forum land, this here OP is a grenade. He's pulled the pin, dropped it and legged his ass out of here to avoid the flak. Or as I like to hope, he has raised a question and has been provided a thread to read to expand his thinking and some links and is busily reading/digesting/learning and will come back enlightened. " Two hopes....no and bob | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered. That was quick! Pub?" You buying? | |||
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"Somehow it is not when they do it, but if it was the other way around it would be lol." it doesn't need to be done the other way round...that's the bloody point | |||
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"I have two black cats and only one white one. Am i racist?" Cats or pussy's ? | |||
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"Somehow it is not when they do it, but if it was the other way around it would be lol. it doesn't need to be done the other way round...that's the bloody point " Grrr. Another one that needs to watch this, Evie! http://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M | |||
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"Somehow it is not when they do it, but if it was the other way around it would be lol. it doesn't need to be done the other way round...that's the bloody point Grrr. Another one that needs to watch this, Evie! http://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M" tidy your room! | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered. That was quick! Pub? You buying?" Markoh is! | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered. That was quick! Pub? You buying? Markoh is! " Then I am drinking! | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different"." you do know what the last o stands for. Origin. The artists dont have to be black. You get country origin, jazz origin | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered. That was quick! Pub? You buying? Markoh is! Then I am drinking!" I want Scampi Fries | |||
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"and in fact we have Music of White Origin awards; for example folk music awards.... some would claim the Country Music Awards etc. The MOBOs are music of Black origin... nothing more or less; the influences of different cultures on todays music; and as with all music awards the winners are people drawn from all different backgrounds and cultures; the name of the awards pay homage to the inspiration of the theme of the music genre.... why do you see this as racist OP?" No, we dont have Music of White Origin awards, if they were theyd be called that, theyre not. The clue is in the name Having said that, theres nothing from stopping anyone from starting such an awards. | |||
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"and in fact we have Music of White Origin awards; for example folk music awards.... some would claim the Country Music Awards etc. The MOBOs are music of Black origin... nothing more or less; the influences of different cultures on todays music; and as with all music awards the winners are people drawn from all different backgrounds and cultures; the name of the awards pay homage to the inspiration of the theme of the music genre.... why do you see this as racist OP? No, we dont have Music of White Origin awards, if they were theyd be called that, theyre not. The clue is in the name Having said that, theres nothing from stopping anyone from starting such an awards. " And exactly how long before the organisers would be called racists? | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different"." Bearing in mind most music these says does originate from black origin no it isnt racist at all | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different"." you do understand that it is a homage to the style of the music... insofar as white people who have used musical inspiration from black culture win awards... erm.... have you ever watched the Mobos? Is it really so difficult to comprehend that with art or music or any aspect of culture there are different influences that enhance the world we live in; paying homage or giving credit to the foundation of that inspiration is not racist; its an acknowledgement about how diverse we have become and that by acknowledging this diversity we respect its origins.....? | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different"." I love me a bit of right wing dystopia. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered. That was quick! Pub? You buying? Markoh is! Then I am drinking! I want Scampi Fries " fishy fingers? Its a shame you're mad, you have such nice eyes... | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different"." do you actually understand WHY there needs to be the MOBO awards? that for decades black musiscians and artists were systematically undermined, ripped off, persecuted just for the colour of their skin? I cannot believe that in this day and age people dont understand this | |||
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"also.....name some music genres of white origin..." Country music | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different". do you actually understand WHY there needs to be the MOBO awards? that for decades black musiscians and artists were systematically undermined, ripped off, persecuted just for the colour of their skin? I cannot believe that in this day and age people dont understand this " Ignorance is bliss unfortuately seems someone needs to watch BBC4 for some education | |||
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"also.....name some music genres of white origin..." hip hop, rap, RnB | |||
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"I would only ask that if there was an award for music of white origin, would it be considered racist or politically incorrect? I can imagine Diane Abbot sitting on scarecrow Corbin's knee blurting out her usual 'its not fair' rhetoric " There's loads, MTV, Brits, Kerrang... Name a black rock artist besides Hendrix or Kravitz?... xx | |||
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"Instead of MOBO it was the MOWO Awards would that be okay? No, of course not so why should it be okay for MOBO. Positive discrimination says just one thing first and foremost to the recipient... you don't deserve this you're just getting it because you are "different". you do understand that it is a homage to the style of the music... insofar as white people who have used musical inspiration from black culture win awards... erm.... have you ever watched the Mobos? Is it really so difficult to comprehend that with art or music or any aspect of culture there are different influences that enhance the world we live in; paying homage or giving credit to the foundation of that inspiration is not racist; its an acknowledgement about how diverse we have become and that by acknowledging this diversity we respect its origins.....?" The issue in these threads and questions posed is rarely about the nature of the music awards and origin of the music (and what that *really* means rather than being a colour) -- the issue I assume (and this is the impression I glean, my opinion and I hope to be corrected by the OP that this is not the case) but the issue is more often about -- Why is racism only one way? Is it racist if we reversed the white and black? Well, the OP has a point *but* *only* if in that reversing the entire systematic build up of racism of white to black too and then put on the awards as MOWO. This is the concept missed out, to simply reverse it does *not* reverse it hence it is racist. Please Doc, educate yourself. http://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M (I'm not being as articulate as I like, I blame my current injuries but I am compelled to make a comment on this as the perpetuation of this utter shite riles me something chronic -- ranty E over) | |||
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"Skunk anansie pop" I think youll find it was classed as alternative/indie rock | |||
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"Skunk anansie pop I think youll find it was classed as alternative/indie rock" Big thumb wrong post... Agree all 3 ... xx | |||
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"Skunk anansie pop I think youll find it was classed as alternative/indie rock Big thumb wrong post... Agree all 3 ... xx" Was gonna say lol | |||
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"I would only ask that if there was an award for music of white origin, would it be considered racist or politically incorrect? I can imagine Diane Abbot sitting on scarecrow Corbin's knee blurting out her usual 'its not fair' rhetoric There's loads, MTV, Brits, Kerrang... Name a black rock artist besides Hendrix or Kravitz?... xx" Slash Pat Smear (rhcp, nirvana among others he played in at one point or another) Tom Morello (rage against the machines) | |||
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"also.....name some music genres of white origin...Country music" nope Country music was one of the first genres of modern American popular music, and old-time music was its earliest style. It developed in the southeastern states of the USA as a mix of folk music from the British Isles, church music and African American blues. | |||
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"also.....name some music genres of white origin...Country music nope Country music was one of the first genres of modern American popular music, and old-time music was its earliest style. It developed in the southeastern states of the USA as a mix of folk music from the British Isles, church music and African American blues." And same goes for the rock genre | |||
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"also.....name some music genres of white origin...Country music nope Country music was one of the first genres of modern American popular music, and old-time music was its earliest style. It developed in the southeastern states of the USA as a mix of folk music from the British Isles, church music and African American blues. And same goes for the rock genre " Every type of music comes from when some sub human cave-dwelling hominid started hitting rocks with bones and grunting along in time. Then he married Beyonce | |||
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"also.....name some music genres of white origin...Country music nope Country music was one of the first genres of modern American popular music, and old-time music was its earliest style. It developed in the southeastern states of the USA as a mix of folk music from the British Isles, church music and African American blues. And same goes for the rock genre Every type of music comes from when some sub human cave-dwelling hominid started hitting rocks with bones and grunting along in time. Then he married Beyonce " What about euro dance and trance? | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" no.. educate yourself, in order to do so you will need to look at the issue in an objective manner.. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? no.. educate yourself, in order to do so you will need to look at the issue in an objective manner.. " Sure, in the same way let those pesky gays have a party once or twice a year... get a grip man | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? no.. educate yourself, in order to do so you will need to look at the issue in an objective manner.. Sure, in the same way let those pesky gays have a party once or twice a year... get a grip man " not enough time in your diary dont go maybe? | |||
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"I would only ask that if there was an award for music of white origin, would it be considered racist or politically incorrect? I can imagine Diane Abbot sitting on scarecrow Corbin's knee blurting out her usual 'its not fair' rhetoric There's loads, MTV, Brits, Kerrang... Name a black rock artist besides Hendrix or Kravitz?... xx Slash Pat Smear (rhcp, nirvana among others he played in at one point or another) Tom Morello (rage against the machines) " Like Kravitz they are all mixed race so good suggestions but technically not black... Just Jim n Skunk really so far... xx | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. " because there is no need for it....white people have not had their music taken from them, been exploited to benefit the white record label owners, watched while black recording artists get rich on their music, their lyrics and sometimes even their voices!! I refer to another thread where i explained how equality isnt treating everyone the same....it is giving everyone that same outcome. White music awards are not needed because every other music awards has, for generations, been predominately white orientated. Also....it is not racist to celebrate something's origins....it is racist to not allow any other race to enter and win, something the MOBO's don't do and therefor they are NOT racist!!! | |||
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"Black people had their music taken from them? Who's got it?" the man | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. " If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. | |||
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"Black people had their music taken from them? Who's got it? the man" Cool dude | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. " | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. " We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" Irrespective, let's stop banning things we disagree with. Secondly, you are talking utter nonsense. Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless and many people who are not dark skinned have won Mobo awards. | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up " Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? | |||
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"Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless " It's not. | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground?" No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. " No because the origin of a style of music does not mean only one race of people can perform it. Non white people play music which was originally performed by white people, they do it all the time. If they are good, they win an award. Simple. Let's start moaning about actual things, not made up ignorant appraisals of something. | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference " Well if you highlight and point out difference, you will get bigotry. Your choice. | |||
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"Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless It's not." Genetically it is totally worthless as a term. | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference Well if you highlight and point out difference, you will get bigotry. Your choice." Or diversity. Your choice | |||
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"Sorry haven't read the full thread but wasn't there a similar post the other day. ?" Most likely. | |||
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"Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless It's not. Genetically it is totally worthless as a term. " Musically, it ain't. | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference Well if you highlight and point out difference, you will get bigotry. Your choice. Or diversity. Your choice " You can get diversity without pointing out and highlighting differences. Bloody hell. This is hard work. | |||
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"Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless It's not. Genetically it is totally worthless as a term. Musically, it ain't. " No one is arguing that, apart from you. | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference Well if you highlight and point out difference, you will get bigotry. Your choice." That would be fine if bigotry didn't already exist. But it does. So it's meaningless. | |||
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"Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless It's not. Genetically it is totally worthless as a term. Musically, it ain't. No one is arguing that, apart from you." Did you miss the thread title?! | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference Well if you highlight and point out difference, you will get bigotry. Your choice. Or diversity. Your choice You can get diversity without pointing out and highlighting differences. Bloody hell. This is hard work." What?? Go ahead then... educate me... | |||
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"Firstly, "black" as a race is totally meaningless It's not. Genetically it is totally worthless as a term. Musically, it ain't. No one is arguing that, apart from you. Did you miss the thread title?! " No, I read it, I am questioning the point of using "black" or "white" to define giant sections of the worlds population. The frequency at which light reflects from our skin does not mean that we will act in any particular way or we should be treated in any particular way. This shit is fucking basic. | |||
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"I would only ask that if there was an award for music of white origin, would it be considered racist or politically incorrect? I can imagine Diane Abbot sitting on scarecrow Corbin's knee blurting out her usual 'its not fair' rhetoric There's loads, MTV, Brits, Kerrang... Name a black rock artist besides Hendrix or Kravitz?... xx Slash Pat Smear (rhcp, nirvana among others he played in at one point or another) Tom Morello (rage against the machines) Like Kravitz they are all mixed race so good suggestions but technically not black... Just Jim n Skunk really so far... xx" Living Colour | |||
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"I'd hazard a guess to say if there was a music of white origin awards then they'd be classed as racist. If they were, then it would be because whoever set them up would probably have the same ignorant attitude as the OP here. 'white' music is fully celebrated and lauded already. We don't have MOWO for the same reason we don't have straight pride. We should have Straight Pride. Afterall there aren't many of them once the closet bi & gays own up Let's stop highlighting differences and start celebrating common ground? No because that's really fucking boring. I like difference Well if you highlight and point out difference, you will get bigotry. Your choice. Or diversity. Your choice You can get diversity without pointing out and highlighting differences. Bloody hell. This is hard work. What?? Go ahead then... educate me..." I fear it is too late. You clearly only want to argue, I can't be arsed, what I have written is true and correct and when you are ready to try and understand it then come and give it a go. | |||
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"I fear it is too late. You clearly only want to argue, I can't be arsed, what I have written is true and correct and when you are ready to try and understand it then come and give it a go." And you're clearly chatting shit. I've heard the same arguments many times - we're all the same colour on the inside, "I don't see different skin colours" blah blah blah All ignorant to the fact that difference is good and should be embraced and celebrated, not ignored. | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else? No. Question answered. That was quick! Pub?" Plan...... Shorts or a brewsky? | |||
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"I would only ask that if there was an award for music of white origin, would it be considered racist or politically incorrect? I can imagine Diane Abbot sitting on scarecrow Corbin's knee blurting out her usual 'its not fair' rhetoric There's loads, MTV, Brits, Kerrang... Name a black rock artist besides Hendrix or Kravitz?... xx Slash Pat Smear (rhcp, nirvana among others he played in at one point or another) Tom Morello (rage against the machines) Like Kravitz they are all mixed race so good suggestions but technically not black... Just Jim n Skunk really so far... xx Living Colour" Still not loads tho is it, ask people who don't know a lot about rock to name 5 Rock bands or musicians without using go ogle and most people probably could and not just the same few either... xx | |||
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"The one and only Phil lynott mixed race... xx" So was Bob Marley. I also know this has no bearing on the point. | |||
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"Black people had their music taken from them? Who's got it? the man" THATS RIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHTTTT | |||
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"Somehow it is not when they do it, but if it was the other way around it would be lol." please list all the music of white origin that is not being celebrated ? | |||
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"Thought for many years that these awards were racist and should be banned, anybody else?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c | |||
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"I'm not sure if it's racist. But dude, wheres my car?" Correction* | |||
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"so we have gone from the absurd op to people implying there are no/few black folks in rock bands ..... i despair!" I despair? never heard if them, are you sure they're black ? | |||
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"so we have gone from the absurd op to people implying there are no/few black folks in rock bands ..... i despair! I despair? never heard if them, are you sure they're black ?" | |||
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"The level of talent this year is breath taking. " I thought it was pretty shit to be honest. Big pile of poop | |||
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"The level of talent this year is breath taking. I thought it was pretty shit to be honest. Big pile of poop " I think the previous comment could have omitted an in cheek emoji, agree with pile of poop tho ... xx | |||
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"The level of talent this year is breath taking. I thought it was pretty shit to be honest. Big pile of poop I think the previous comment could have omitted an in cheek emoji, agree with pile of poop tho ... xx" Yes but we get clems humour | |||
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"The level of talent this year is breath taking. I thought it was pretty shit to be honest. Big pile of poop I think the previous comment could have omitted an in cheek emoji, agree with pile of poop tho ... xx Yes but we get clems humour " Still only another year to wait for the next one though ... xx | |||
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"The level of talent this year is breath taking. I thought it was pretty shit to be honest. Big pile of poop I think the previous comment could have omitted an in cheek emoji, agree with pile of poop tho ... xx Yes but we get clems humour Still only another year to wait for the next one though ... xx" Thank fook | |||
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"Prince pop" Absolute nonsense. | |||
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"Prince pop Absolute nonsense. " | |||
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"I would only ask that if there was an award for music of white origin, would it be considered racist or politically incorrect? I can imagine Diane Abbot sitting on scarecrow Corbin's knee blurting out her usual 'its not fair' rhetoric There's loads, MTV, Brits, Kerrang... Name a black rock artist besides Hendrix or Kravitz?... xx Slash Pat Smear (rhcp, nirvana among others he played in at one point or another) Tom Morello (rage against the machines) Like Kravitz they are all mixed race so good suggestions but technically not black... Just Jim n Skunk really so far... xx Living Colour Still not loads tho is it, ask people who don't know a lot about rock to name 5 Rock bands or musicians without using go ogle and most people probably could and not just the same few either... xx" Skindred | |||
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"I have two black cats and only one white one. Am i racist?" Is the white cat in charge of the two black cats or do you mean one white cat is equal to two black cats | |||
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