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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I know next to nothing about Freud but I think talking and writing is definitely therapeutic.

We all have a friend who over shares though don't we

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. "

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I know next to nothing about Freud but I think talking and writing is definitely therapeutic.

We all have a friend who over shares though don't we "

Ha! Yes, we do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

"

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

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over a year ago

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too! "

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere."

Now there's a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere."

Definitely.

I use poster paper for phrases and images.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I use a series of notebooks. I was interested to hear Alan Bennett say that he stopped recording in notebooks around 1993 when he realised he'd never used anything in them in his published work.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud. "

Oh totally!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

Definitely.

I use poster paper for phrases and images. "

Do you write specific things? For yourself or others? I'd love to read some of your writing (if it's for public consumption)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud.

Oh totally! "

And your poetry is *really* good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

Definitely.

I use poster paper for phrases and images.

Do you write specific things? For yourself or others? I'd love to read some of your writing (if it's for public consumption) "

I'll send you a link to my poetry page.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I use a series of notebooks. I was interested to hear Alan Bennett say that he stopped recording in notebooks around 1993 when he realised he'd never used anything in them in his published work."

I adore Alan Bennett. Perhaps he was using them as a way of dumping all the things he didn't need!

One of my favourite stories about Alan Bennett was when the Independent on Sunday described him as "winsome", he cancelled an interview with the paper, sending a postcard with the joyous missive: "Winsome, lose some."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Do you write specific things? For yourself or others? I'd love to read some of your writing (if it's for public consumption)

I'll send you a link to my poetry page. "

Oh do! Thank you.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I use a series of notebooks. I was interested to hear Alan Bennett say that he stopped recording in notebooks around 1993 when he realised he'd never used anything in them in his published work.

I adore Alan Bennett. Perhaps he was using them as a way of dumping all the things he didn't need!

One of my favourite stories about Alan Bennett was when the Independent on Sunday described him as "winsome", he cancelled an interview with the paper, sending a postcard with the joyous missive: "Winsome, lose some." "

I've been listening to him reading his diaries on Radio 4. He said that one critic said something along the lines of "one rather tires of Alan Bennett" his reply was "how does he think I feel?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I use a series of notebooks. I was interested to hear Alan Bennett say that he stopped recording in notebooks around 1993 when he realised he'd never used anything in them in his published work.

I adore Alan Bennett. Perhaps he was using them as a way of dumping all the things he didn't need!

One of my favourite stories about Alan Bennett was when the Independent on Sunday described him as "winsome", he cancelled an interview with the paper, sending a postcard with the joyous missive: "Winsome, lose some."

I've been listening to him reading his diaries on Radio 4. He said that one critic said something along the lines of "one rather tires of Alan Bennett" his reply was "how does he think I feel?" "

him.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

Now there's a thought. "

There's a free on line course in creative writing running at the moment if you're interested.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. "
to express is to empty and ask to receive, often from your own internal world..otherwise journalling wouldn't be so popular..the other, whomever your audience is, will give you feedback, humans are social beings collecting direct and indirect experiences..it keeps a sense of self alive and the structure of your world stable..enjoy xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

Now there's a thought.

There's a free on line course in creative writing running at the moment if you're interested. "

Oh would you PM me the link?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. to express is to empty and ask to receive, often from your own internal world..otherwise journalling wouldn't be so popular..the other, whomever your audience is, will give you feedback, humans are social beings collecting direct and indirect experiences..it keeps a sense of self alive and the structure of your world stable..enjoy xx"

You are so right Suzy. Thank you.

(happy birthday btw)

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

Now there's a thought.

There's a free on line course in creative writing running at the moment if you're interested.

Oh would you PM me the link? "

I'm unable to . It's a futurelearn course

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

Nearly all authors do this, maybe there's a novel or short story in there somewhere.

Now there's a thought.

There's a free on line course in creative writing running at the moment if you're interested.

Oh would you PM me the link?

I'm unable to . It's a futurelearn course "

I shall have a search! Thank you

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. to express is to empty and ask to receive, often from your own internal world..otherwise journalling wouldn't be so popular..the other, whomever your audience is, will give you feedback, humans are social beings collecting direct and indirect experiences..it keeps a sense of self alive and the structure of your world stable..enjoy xx

You are so right Suzy. Thank you.

(happy birthday btw) "
thankyou lovely xx i had a lovely day xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Always found a nice long walk therapeutic and definitely clears the mind, beleive it's an acknowledged and accepted "cure" by the professionals.

Not sure about Freud though hasn't a lot of his work being discredited, not surprisingly considering how much cocaine he used to take, and haven't his decendendents taken injunctions against people studying and reporting upon his research?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud.

Oh totally!

And your poetry is *really* good. "

You flatter me

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By *obwithkiltMan
over a year ago

Belton


"I use a series of notebooks. I was interested to hear Alan Bennett say that he stopped recording in notebooks around 1993 when he realised he'd never used anything in them in his published work.

I adore Alan Bennett. Perhaps he was using them as a way of dumping all the things he didn't need!

One of my favourite stories about Alan Bennett was when the Independent on Sunday described him as "winsome", he cancelled an interview with the paper, sending a postcard with the joyous missive: "Winsome, lose some."

I've been listening to him reading his diaries on Radio 4. He said that one critic said something along the lines of "one rather tires of Alan Bennett" his reply was "how does he think I feel?"

him."

He used to pop into the shop I used to run in Yorkshire... Only today I picked up to have a look at in tesco his latest book of diaries and other stuff... He is really nice guy, used to chat about nothing for ages

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Always found a nice long walk therapeutic and definitely clears the mind, beleive it's an acknowledged and accepted "cure" by the professionals.

Not sure about Freud though hasn't a lot of his work being discredited, not surprisingly considering how much cocaine he used to take, and haven't his decendendents taken injunctions against people studying and reporting upon his research?"

Walking is indeed an excellent form of therapy.

I'm citing Freud more in terms of his influence in the creation of the concept of the 'talking cure', not really looking at methodology beyond that, and really I'm interested in words (be they spoken or written) as a liberator of our various internal restraints.

Not that there's anything wrong with restraints per se....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I use a series of notebooks. I was interested to hear Alan Bennett say that he stopped recording in notebooks around 1993 when he realised he'd never used anything in them in his published work.

I adore Alan Bennett. Perhaps he was using them as a way of dumping all the things he didn't need!

One of my favourite stories about Alan Bennett was when the Independent on Sunday described him as "winsome", he cancelled an interview with the paper, sending a postcard with the joyous missive: "Winsome, lose some."

I've been listening to him reading his diaries on Radio 4. He said that one critic said something along the lines of "one rather tires of Alan Bennett" his reply was "how does he think I feel?"

him.

He used to pop into the shop I used to run in Yorkshire... Only today I picked up to have a look at in tesco his latest book of diaries and other stuff... He is really nice guy, used to chat about nothing for ages "

Oh! How delightful.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"And your poetry is *really* good.

You flatter me "

No, it is good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Estella I'm doing a reading locally at an event next month.

Come along.

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By *oward1978Man
over a year ago

Rotherham

I saw a documentary on Freud a while back which mentioned this. I can definitely see some benefit from talking or writing about your issues. I know it's helped me. Even posting crap on the forums has at times been very beneficial. I think the act of just putting it out there and expressing yourself in an honest way can have a sort of cleansing effect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it definitely helps you clear your head if someone has been messing with it. just getting stuff out can make it more real as well, this is probably important if you deal with trauma using depersonalisation or dissociation.

you'd need more than this though, you'd need knowledge of why certain things happened to you, also why other people are a certain way, and talking helps with that too i guess -so long as people are being honest/true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Estella I'm doing a reading locally at an event next month.

Come along. "

Definitely. I'll be there xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I saw a documentary on Freud a while back which mentioned this. I can definitely see some benefit from talking or writing about your issues. I know it's helped me. Even posting crap on the forums has at times been very beneficial. I think the act of just putting it out there and expressing yourself in an honest way can have a sort of cleansing effect."

I agree. Something about talking into the great void as a way of unburdening. Although ensuring there's no expectations for having an answer (any or indeed the one you seek) come back is imperative on the forums to retain the semblance of sanity you gained from posting!

Enjoying these posts though, thank you all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"it definitely helps you clear your head if someone has been messing with it. just getting stuff out can make it more real as well, this is probably important if you deal with trauma using depersonalisation or dissociation.

you'd need more than this though, you'd need knowledge of why certain things happened to you, also why other people are a certain way, and talking helps with that too i guess -so long as people are being honest/true.

"

Good points.

Truth is an interesting topic in itself, whose truth? Two people can have very valid yet differing experiences of the same thing - who is the truthful one? Sorry, I'm just pondering.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud.

Oh totally!

And your poetry is *really* good. "

I agree

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud.

Oh totally!

And your poetry is *really* good.

I agree "

Kinky and I are known to have the best taste too.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I wrote a lot during my relationship. When bad things happened it felt like I needed to get things on paper before my head exploded.

I've not written for ages

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Poetry therapy has grown in popularity, which I think is a great thing.

There is something about being able to express yourself in that way especially if you have difficulty with your emotions and thoughts. It's something that I do use myself, perhaps not enough anymore, but in the past has been really helpful to me.

Write out loud.

Oh totally!

And your poetry is *really* good.

I agree

Kinky and I are known to have the best taste too."

This is officially true

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wrote a lot during my relationship. When bad things happened it felt like I needed to get things on paper before my head exploded.

I've not written for ages "

Well if that's because nothing bad has been happening then this is good news!!

Do you ever (or did you ever) re-read the bad stuff writings?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it definitely helps you clear your head if someone has been messing with it. just getting stuff out can make it more real as well, this is probably important if you deal with trauma using depersonalisation or dissociation.

you'd need more than this though, you'd need knowledge of why certain things happened to you, also why other people are a certain way, and talking helps with that too i guess -so long as people are being honest/true.

Good points.

Truth is an interesting topic in itself, whose truth? Two people can have very valid yet differing experiences of the same thing - who is the truthful one? Sorry, I'm just pondering. "

both people could experience the same thing in a different way. so your own truth i suppose (ignoring that some believe the memory lies).

i more meant that so long as no-one is misleading or twisting what really happened.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

Alan bennett has a calm demeanour about him and I rather listen to him and his quotes as he can be funny and entertaining but also serious if need be lancastrian from birth I (think)I think it was himself that did a programme on dylon thomas and his life and visited his home a beautiful setting in wales he portrayed dylon for who he was Alan is one of a kind and like many things in life there is often only one that you know about, but I think he is a great man.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"it definitely helps you clear your head if someone has been messing with it. just getting stuff out can make it more real as well, this is probably important if you deal with trauma using depersonalisation or dissociation.

you'd need more than this though, you'd need knowledge of why certain things happened to you, also why other people are a certain way, and talking helps with that too i guess -so long as people are being honest/true.

Good points.

Truth is an interesting topic in itself, whose truth? Two people can have very valid yet differing experiences of the same thing - who is the truthful one? Sorry, I'm just pondering.

both people could experience the same thing in a different way. so your own truth i suppose (ignoring that some believe the memory lies).

i more meant that so long as no-one is misleading or twisting what really happened."

Yes, understood. That is important.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Alan bennett has a calm demeanour about him and I rather listen to him and his quotes as he can be funny and entertaining but also serious if need be lancastrian from birth I (think)I think it was himself that did a programme on dylon thomas and his life and visited his home a beautiful setting in wales he portrayed dylon for who he was Alan is one of a kind and like many things in life there is often only one that you know about, but I think he is a great man."

Alan Bennett for the win!

Now quite tempted to put on my Richard Burton recording of Under Milk Wood to listen to. Love it. One of my favourite lines is:

"The only sea I saw

Was the seesaw sea

With you riding on it.

Lie down, lie easy.

Let me shipwreck in your thighs."

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I wrote a lot during my relationship. When bad things happened it felt like I needed to get things on paper before my head exploded.

I've not written for ages

Well if that's because nothing bad has been happening then this is good news!!

Do you ever (or did you ever) re-read the bad stuff writings?"

I have come across a few bits and read it dumbstruck at how I could have let all that happen.

One day I'll put it all together in a box or something but reading it holds no interest now

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wrote a lot during my relationship. When bad things happened it felt like I needed to get things on paper before my head exploded.

I've not written for ages

Well if that's because nothing bad has been happening then this is good news!!

Do you ever (or did you ever) re-read the bad stuff writings?

I have come across a few bits and read it dumbstruck at how I could have let all that happen.

One day I'll put it all together in a box or something but reading it holds no interest now "

Freedom!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I have a poetery book and although ive had some published i rarely look at it. The ones i had published where in a book where all the poetry was written by people with mental health issues

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I have come across a few bits and read it dumbstruck at how I could have let all that happen.

One day I'll put it all together in a box or something but reading it holds no interest now

Freedom!"

Oh yes, I am so 'moved on'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it definitely helps you clear your head if someone has been messing with it. just getting stuff out can make it more real as well, this is probably important if you deal with trauma using depersonalisation or dissociation.

you'd need more than this though, you'd need knowledge of why certain things happened to you, also why other people are a certain way, and talking helps with that too i guess -so long as people are being honest/true.

Good points.

Truth is an interesting topic in itself, whose truth? Two people can have very valid yet differing experiences of the same thing - who is the truthful one? Sorry, I'm just pondering.

both people could experience the same thing in a different way. so your own truth i suppose (ignoring that some believe the memory lies).

i more meant that so long as no-one is misleading or twisting what really happened.

Yes, understood. That is important."

good. wish i could go deeper into this but my own dissociation means i can't always talk about this stuff if i think about it, my mind just goes blank.

still, interesting topic.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I have a poetery book and although ive had some published i rarely look at it. The ones i had published where in a book where all the poetry was written by people with mental health issues"

Anyone published gets my respect

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

He had a morbid fear of ferns

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

"

I have to agree with this I put my thoughts when I'm really troubled into the written form as a way of clearing my mind of the troubling thoughts .

I also do the same with raw emotional thoughts but I do that for a different reason the reason being I never want to forget the depth of my own feeling over another as I find time can rob one of such feelings not rob but mellow them. which I don't like as I feel the mellowing makes you forget how much someone truly meant to you .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have a poetery book and although ive had some published i rarely look at it. The ones i had published where in a book where all the poetry was written by people with mental health issues"

I cannot wait to take you for tea.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

The book my poems are published in is called beyond bedlam

Edited by ken smith and matthew sweeney

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have a poetery book and although ive had some published i rarely look at it. The ones i had published where in a book where all the poetry was written by people with mental health issues"

That's brilliant, I have a couple of friends who have their poetry published -- I am in awe!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have come across a few bits and read it dumbstruck at how I could have let all that happen.

One day I'll put it all together in a box or something but reading it holds no interest now

Freedom!

Oh yes, I am so 'moved on' "

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"I have a poetery book and although ive had some published i rarely look at it. The ones i had published where in a book where all the poetry was written by people with mental health issues

That's brilliant, I have a couple of friends who have their poetry published -- I am in awe! "

I am trying to get Hatter to do his, I even know a publisher

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"it definitely helps you clear your head if someone has been messing with it. just getting stuff out can make it more real as well, this is probably important if you deal with trauma using depersonalisation or dissociation.

you'd need more than this though, you'd need knowledge of why certain things happened to you, also why other people are a certain way, and talking helps with that too i guess -so long as people are being honest/true.

Good points.

Truth is an interesting topic in itself, whose truth? Two people can have very valid yet differing experiences of the same thing - who is the truthful one? Sorry, I'm just pondering.

both people could experience the same thing in a different way. so your own truth i suppose (ignoring that some believe the memory lies).

i more meant that so long as no-one is misleading or twisting what really happened.

Yes, understood. That is important.

good. wish i could go deeper into this but my own dissociation means i can't always talk about this stuff if i think about it, my mind just goes blank.

still, interesting topic."

No, that makes total sense to me. I often have huge amounts I *want* to say but get brainfreeze -- hence writing is a way of focusing my thoughts somewhat. I really appreciate your input -- and your mention of truth just led me down a different thought path, you made your point well, it just triggered lots of other ideas in me! Thank you

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have to agree with this I put my thoughts when I'm really troubled into the written form as a way of clearing my mind of the troubling thoughts .

I also do the same with raw emotional thoughts but I do that for a different reason the reason being I never want to forget the depth of my own feeling over another as I find time can rob one of such feelings not rob but mellow them. which I don't like as I feel the mellowing makes you forget how much someone truly meant to you . "

Two very good points. It is funny how time does 'mellow' things, or as they say is a healer -- but yes, there are some emotions at the time that you don't want to loosen grip of for various reasons. Interesting thought how the writing and experiencing of these 'feels' can be a way of capturing them and holding them in stasis!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"He had a morbid fear of ferns"

Ohhh who did? Alan Bennett?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The book my poems are published in is called beyond bedlam

Edited by ken smith and matthew sweeney"

I *have* this book!! I work in this area, so have used it as a resource. Wonderful!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have a poetery book and although ive had some published i rarely look at it. The ones i had published where in a book where all the poetry was written by people with mental health issues

That's brilliant, I have a couple of friends who have their poetry published -- I am in awe!

I am trying to get Hatter to do his, I even know a publisher "

Wonderful idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in a poetry fillum.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm in a poetry fillum.

"

You're pretty cool, you are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm in a poetry fillum.

You're pretty cool, you are. "

Nah.

In the film I look like I'm about to vomit while reciting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm in a poetry fillum.

You're pretty cool, you are.

Nah.

In the film I look like I'm about to vomit while reciting."

I can get on board with that, love a giggle!

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. "

otherwise known as selfreflecting.

yeah we espcially men need to open up mote in tge right situations.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

otherwise known as selfreflecting.

yeah we espcially men need to open up mote in tge right situations. "

This is true. A number of areas of focus came out of mental health charities looking at the fact that men's needs (in terms of mental health) have not traditionally been effectively met -- various campaigns in the last eight years or so highlighted the following:

**Men self stigmatise and many are embarrassed to admit to themselves or others that they have a mental health problem.

**This makes it much harder for them to ask for help for example from their GP or friends and family.

**Men often don’t display the traditional symptoms of depression (sleepless nights, crying, feeling low) and are more likely to ‘act out’ (taking drugs, drinking, being aggressive) which means their problems can be overlooked or misdiagnosed.

**The need for ‘male-friendly’ treatments, gender neutral health settings and mental health awareness advertising direct to men.

It is important to talk. Absolutely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too! "

You're not the only one....walking into a book shop is like a kid walking into a Sweetshop for me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. "

I used to write.

I don't anymore.

Could explain a lot.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

You're not the only one....walking into a book shop is like a kid walking into a Sweetshop for me "

This is actually one of my date/meet fantasies. Beautiful book shop or old-fashioned library. Getting lost in the aisles/snatched kisses up against the bookshelves. Reading excerpts to each other. Other things...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

I used to write.

I don't anymore.

Could explain a lot. "

You are in need of a hug, Markoh. There's one waiting for you here when you're ready to collect. Hope you feel better soon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

I used to write.

I don't anymore.

Could explain a lot.

You are in need of a hug, Markoh. There's one waiting for you here when you're ready to collect. Hope you feel better soon. "

I'm OK, thank you though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way. "

Is this article in yesterday's Guardian? We forgot to pick it up

Susie Orbach is an interesting journalist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

I used to write.

I don't anymore.

Could explain a lot.

You are in need of a hug, Markoh. There's one waiting for you here when you're ready to collect. Hope you feel better soon.

I'm OK, thank you though.

"

No sell by date on the offer

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

Is this article in yesterday's Guardian? We forgot to pick it up

Susie Orbach is an interesting journalist.

"

Yes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

Is this article in yesterday's Guardian? We forgot to pick it up

Susie Orbach is an interesting journalist.

Yes! "

Thanks - I'll go and bug friends who sensibly have it delivered to lend it to us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

You're not the only one....walking into a book shop is like a kid walking into a Sweetshop for me

This is actually one of my date/meet fantasies. Beautiful book shop or old-fashioned library. Getting lost in the aisles/snatched kisses up against the bookshelves. Reading excerpts to each other. Other things... "

I'll meet you in the errm **whispers** 'adult section' then

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

Is this article in yesterday's Guardian? We forgot to pick it up

Susie Orbach is an interesting journalist.

Yes!

Thanks - I'll go and bug friends who sensibly have it delivered to lend it to us "

It's online! I'd put in the link but don't think that's allowed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

You may well be.

From my experience I have and do benefit from writing.

It's a great way to uncork the flood of thoughts besieging my battled brain.

I have an obsession with notebooks and writing thoughts down, and ideas, or plans or interconnections. I like a good wall plan/mind map too!

You're not the only one....walking into a book shop is like a kid walking into a Sweetshop for me

This is actually one of my date/meet fantasies. Beautiful book shop or old-fashioned library. Getting lost in the aisles/snatched kisses up against the bookshelves. Reading excerpts to each other. Other things...

I'll meet you in the errm **whispers** 'adult section' then "

Hehehe - filthy b*tch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

Is this article in yesterday's Guardian? We forgot to pick it up

Susie Orbach is an interesting journalist.

Yes!

Thanks - I'll go and bug friends who sensibly have it delivered to lend it to us

It's online! I'd put in the link but don't think that's allowed. "

Thanks Estella

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very interesting thread.

I think you are most definitely right - from some of the posts I've read on here I've often thought some people seem to use it as a form of therapy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just another outlet at the end of the day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did some cathartic writing yesterday. It was for someone to read - all 6000 words - but even if I hadn't sent it to them it was still a worthwhile exercise and I feel much better for it. I should start keeping a diary or blogging again.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

I,ve noticed lately that I ,m dreaming more at night my pattern of sleep can vary but in the past some of my dreams have been nightmares but at the time nothing seems to make sense like all dreams the nightmares are like halloween comeing true luckily very short ones probabily seconds in real time.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's just another outlet at the end of the day."

It is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It can be therapeutic to write feelings down in a letter format. You don't have to send it, it's the act of writing that can be the release that's needed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I did some cathartic writing yesterday. It was for someone to read - all 6000 words - but even if I hadn't sent it to them it was still a worthwhile exercise and I feel much better for it. I should start keeping a diary or blogging again. "

I've a dear friend who taught me the benefit of the unsent letter -- to write everything you want to say and not to send it, the mere act of writing it releases the feelings/emotions you need to. Having a cry is blooming useful too, the same dear friend told me that there are certain hormones released in the tears when you cry, so it is actually healthy to get them out. Actually what a good friend, I must remember to tell them that.

I'm glad your writing helped, and I hope the message was well and truly received the other end.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I,ve noticed lately that I ,m dreaming more at night my pattern of sleep can vary but in the past some of my dreams have been nightmares but at the time nothing seems to make sense like all dreams the nightmares are like halloween comeing true luckily very short ones probabily seconds in real time. "

Perhaps try journaling.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It can be therapeutic to write feelings down in a letter format. You don't have to send it, it's the act of writing that can be the release that's needed."

Snap!

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I,ve noticed lately that I ,m dreaming more at night my pattern of sleep can vary but in the past some of my dreams have been nightmares but at the time nothing seems to make sense like all dreams the nightmares are like halloween comeing true luckily very short ones probabily seconds in real time.

Perhaps try journaling."
The thing is its years since I,ve dreamed like this on consecutive nights might be something in my subconcious wanting to come forward might be a good thing I think we can shut out things without even knowing about it I,ve had some trauma in the past might be one of the reasons if true it might be a common feature amongst us all if we knew it...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I,ve noticed lately that I ,m dreaming more at night my pattern of sleep can vary but in the past some of my dreams have been nightmares but at the time nothing seems to make sense like all dreams the nightmares are like halloween comeing true luckily very short ones probabily seconds in real time.

Perhaps try journaling.The thing is its years since I,ve dreamed like this on consecutive nights might be something in my subconcious wanting to come forward might be a good thing I think we can shut out things without even knowing about it I,ve had some trauma in the past might be one of the reasons if true it might be a common feature amongst us all if we knew it... "

Our minds are truly amazing things.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I,ve noticed lately that I ,m dreaming more at night my pattern of sleep can vary but in the past some of my dreams have been nightmares but at the time nothing seems to make sense like all dreams the nightmares are like halloween comeing true luckily very short ones probabily seconds in real time.

Perhaps try journaling.The thing is its years since I,ve dreamed like this on consecutive nights might be something in my subconcious wanting to come forward might be a good thing I think we can shut out things without even knowing about it I,ve had some trauma in the past might be one of the reasons if true it might be a common feature amongst us all if we knew it...

Our minds are truly amazing things. "

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By *oxesMan
over a year ago

Southend, Essex


"There's a really interesting article in the Guardian by Susie Orbach on "the poetry of therapy" -- it talks of Freud's 'talking cure' and how:

"He believed that through talking freely, the difficult conflict could be borne and the symptom would dissolve. His liberatory aim created a revolutionary practice: the idea that patients could, through their own speech, discover what so troubled them and in turn, heal themselves."

and how this cycle of listening, observing, feeling and reflecting -- the talking/listening cure -- is not dissimilar to the therapeutic nature of words that come out through writing -- our discovery of what we didn't know we were thinking or feeling.

I wonder if I am gaining therapeutic value from forum posting in some way.

otherwise known as selfreflecting.

yeah we espcially men need to open up mote in tge right situations.

This is true. A number of areas of focus came out of mental health charities looking at the fact that men's needs (in terms of mental health) have not traditionally been effectively met -- various campaigns in the last eight years or so highlighted the following:

**Men self stigmatise and many are embarrassed to admit to themselves or others that they have a mental health problem.

**This makes it much harder for them to ask for help for example from their GP or friends and family.

**Men often don’t display the traditional symptoms of depression (sleepless nights, crying, feeling low) and are more likely to ‘act out’ (taking drugs, drinking, being aggressive) which means their problems can be overlooked or misdiagnosed.

**The need for ‘male-friendly’ treatments, gender neutral health settings and mental health awareness advertising direct to men.

It is important to talk. Absolutely. "

mens mental health has been overlooked actually all mental health in one way or another had been overlooked.

underfunding and cuts don't help either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I did some cathartic writing yesterday. It was for someone to read - all 6000 words - but even if I hadn't sent it to them it was still a worthwhile exercise and I feel much better for it. I should start keeping a diary or blogging again.

I've a dear friend who taught me the benefit of the unsent letter -- to write everything you want to say and not to send it, the mere act of writing it releases the feelings/emotions you need to. Having a cry is blooming useful too, the same dear friend told me that there are certain hormones released in the tears when you cry, so it is actually healthy to get them out. Actually what a good friend, I must remember to tell them that.

I'm glad your writing helped, and I hope the message was well and truly received the other end. "

Yep I've done the letter thing before too. I used to write and self reflect a lot, I just fell out of the habit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Writing a letter to self is also a therapeutic technique. An honest, but compassionate letter, which explains how you are feeling and your perception as to the reasons why - but also what you like to change.

Post it to yourself after a year

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over a year ago

I started writing at a time of ill health some years ago.

I still have the diary and read through it sometimes.

It was a minute source of comfort and refuge when the walls were falling in.

It by no means pushed against the tides of worry connected to the episode I was experiencing but at the same time I'm so glad I can delve in to see how far I have come and now I write because it is a deep craving need to do so.

I'd like to say anyone struggling with illness be it mental or physical try to write, paint, sketch even if you don't find it beneficial at THAT time.

It's a healthy outlet.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"I started writing at a time of ill health some years ago.

I still have the diary and read through it sometimes.

It was a minute source of comfort and refuge when the walls were falling in.

It by no means pushed against the tides of worry connected to the episode I was experiencing but at the same time I'm so glad I can delve in to see how far I have come and now I write because it is a deep craving need to do so.

I'd like to say anyone struggling with illness be it mental or physical try to write, paint, sketch even if you don't find it beneficial at THAT time.

It's a healthy outlet.

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At the time I use to enjoy the occasional small sketch, adding a bit of colour probabily related to subconciously feeling I had more time to do so I,m only summiseing this but I do have more time but Ironically more responsibility which is only natural in my circumstances but its like a Invisible wall and unless its not there your enthusiasm does not get you through to capture what you want on paper or even to start trying even thou I know its deep or not so deep the Interest lies dormant its the kickstart thats needed somethings you can do my useing a camera but I must of been Inspired somewhere originally to put pencil to paper even in the past it was,nt much but was successful in my eyes I can struggle with a book but soon find my way back into it and usually with a digital camera even if it does not have all the mod cons its usually got enough to do what I want... we all the Interest in us its how we maintain it (easier for some) that counts...

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