FabSwingers.com forum: Men who won't kiss a woman after she's sucked your cock...

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't mean spunky kisses

Do any exist? In my, rather brief, experience men are happy to share a post-oral kiss which kinda surprises me.

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By *rs DCouple
over a year ago

far

Mr D will kiss me even if i sucked 5 or 6 cocks at the glory hole

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

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By *ickerman30Man
over a year ago

here and there

Love to kiss after oral so does my other halfl,especially after a 69.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some guys do some don't , each to their own

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men "

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

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By *auren001Woman
over a year ago

birmingham

Love it but I like them spunky too, I'm still waiting to find a line I might draw. One day, someday, not any day soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing wrong in kissing even if her mouth is full of cum sharing is caring after all.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*chews ear of corn whilst idly sitting on a farm gate*

Arrr.

Mayhap t'is, mayhap t'ain't - couldn't say f'sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

Me too!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Most men I have met are almost determined to kiss me after they have gone down on me or another woman. I'd find it odd if they refused a kiss from me after going down on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mr D will kiss me even if i sucked 5 or 6 cocks at the glory hole

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

Oh and me

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

I guess some are scared they will be labelled 'fab straight'

seems if you breath the same air as another guy on here you are not straight

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

I've met both now but most are fine with it, never really thought about- maybe they haven't either..

Tbh they just got there happy ending so who could blame them hehe

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

Oh and me

And then giving them a big kiss afterwards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no problem with it and haven't met a lady yet that objects to the reverse. Just part of the fun.

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By *onballer9Man
over a year ago

west midlands

I'll gladly kiss afterwards

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By *rs DCouple
over a year ago

far

"Mr D will kiss me even if i sucked 5 or 6 cocks at the glory hole

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xx"
hehehe xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You've just yet had my cock in your mouth........I'm going to kiss you.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

"I guess some are scared they will be labelled 'fab straight'

seems if you breath the same air as another guy on here you are not straight

Sucking your own cock doesn't make you gay or even fab straight

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By *amelhunterMan
over a year ago

newcastle

"I don't mean spunky kisses

Do any exist? In my, rather brief, experience men are happy to share a post-oral kiss which kinda surprises me."

Positively encourage it myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men or women who don't kiss after oral don't deserve it in my opinion but haven't cum across anyone that wasn't in a lovely post haze that wouldn't;)

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

Oh and me

And then giving them a big kiss afterwards

I like tasting myself on their lips

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"You've just yet had my cock in your mouth........I'm going to kiss you.

Let me fix my lipstick first though hey?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I'm going to suck his cock the least he can do is kiss my mouth afterwards

Can't say I've ever come across a man that won't.

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By *layfulCouple86Couple
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I don't mean spunky kisses

Do any exist? In my, rather brief, experience men are happy to share a post-oral kiss which kinda surprises me."

I don't see the problem with it, to be honest weirdly like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like to kiss a lady after she's gone down on me, to show my appreciation! And in my experience most ladies are more than happy to kiss me after I've been down on them, which is awesome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who the hell doesn't kiss a lass after getting a blow job? This even a thing? How odd.

I'm the other way..I like our lass to have a mouthful

I like spunky sticky women...especially if it's someone else's cum

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By *obby248Man
over a year ago

lee on solent

Can't beat a bit of snowballing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i've met a guy who wouldn't, it was a right turn off and spoiled everything that happened afterwards (for me).

he messaged me about another meet later, expecting me to be some kind of free pro-domme as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You've just yet had my cock in your mouth........I'm going to kiss you.

Let me fix my lipstick first though hey?"

You need to look beautiful again.

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"You've just yet had my cock in your mouth........I'm going to kiss you.

Let me fix my lipstick first though hey?

You need to look beautiful again.

Is that some sort of back handed compliment?

I might let you mess up my lipstick one day.

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By *aughty_amazonWoman
over a year ago

BRISTOL

Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

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By *icassolifelikeMan
over a year ago

Luton

FILTH!!!!! Love it!!

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

Poor bugger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I definitely fall into THIS category.

Someone who I meet quite regularly thinks it's fucking hilarious the fact I don't want to taste my own cum...

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

All part of the fun, kissing a lady after she has sucked me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only.

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

Well naughty amazon maybe you and I need a play date to do it.

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By *aughty_amazonWoman
over a year ago

BRISTOL

"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

Poor bugger

If he hasnt drowned first

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By *aughty_amazonWoman
over a year ago

BRISTOL

"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only."

Why?...

Kissing is a must for me.

I just bottle it when her mouth is full of my spunk...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

Poor bugger

If he hasnt drowned first

Apparently I tried to drown someone once.

I shout "just keep swimming" these days

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only."

Deal breaker.

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By *aughty_amazonWoman
over a year ago

BRISTOL

"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

Poor bugger

If he hasnt drowned first

Apparently I tried to drown someone once.

I shout "just keep swimming" these days

Ain't that from finding Nemo?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a mans grasp of his own sexuality is so tenuous that he fears kissing a WOMANS mouth after she's sucked HIS PENIS (that he's presumably had climax all over his own hand for years) will somehow make him gay, then he has no right claiming to be heterosexual, or even a man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

ohhhh....

Ohhhh...can I back peddle just a little bit?...

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

Poor bugger

If he hasnt drowned first

Apparently I tried to drown someone once.

I shout "just keep swimming" these days

Ain't that from finding Nemo?

Yup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You've just yet had my cock in your mouth........I'm going to kiss you.

Let me fix my lipstick first though hey?

You need to look beautiful again.

Is that some sort of back handed compliment?

I might let you mess up my lipstick one day.

Just your lipstick?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only.

Why?...

Kissing is a must for me.

I just bottle it when her mouth is full of my spunk..."

Don't bottle it

get your tongue in there

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only."

How does that work out for you.

Do the women you meet accept that?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only.

How does that work out for you.

Do the women you meet accept that?"

I'm going to hazard a guess and say he's not had a meet yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't do kissing with anyone I meet on a swinging site, that is for girlfriends only.

How does that work out for you.

Do the women you meet accept that?

I'm going to hazard a guess and say he's not had a meet yet"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?"

there's only one way to find out...

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

there's only one way to find out..."

I feel like I should, for research purposes.

Now for volunteers....

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By *100Man
over a year ago

Essex

I always kiss during and after can't understand why a man wouldn't, silly boys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

there's only one way to find out...

I feel like I should, for research purposes.

Now for volunteers...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

there's only one way to find out...

I feel like I should, for research purposes.

Now for volunteers...."

I'm all for scientific endeavours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not got a problem with it at all

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

there's only one way to find out...

I feel like I should, for research purposes.

Now for volunteers....

I'm all for scientific endeavours. "

You can go first then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

there's only one way to find out...

I feel like I should, for research purposes.

Now for volunteers....

I'm all for scientific endeavours.

You can go first then

Pucker up - so to speak

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By *aughty_amazonWoman
over a year ago

BRISTOL

I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"It's only skin - what's the problem?

Kissing is the least you can do if a woman has played the pink oboe

I wonder if the mind being kissed after my tongue has been around their arse as well?

there's only one way to find out...

I feel like I should, for research purposes.

Now for volunteers....

I'll work my way up you.

woops, Up to you

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

Couldn't comment on that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't mind. It's my own body & juices

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

An ATM that doesn't charge for a withdrawal

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By *arksMan
over a year ago

in the centre

"I don't mind. It's my own body & juices

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this exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like everything else, some do and some dont

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By *inglenfreeMan
over a year ago

london

"I don't mean spunky kisses

Do any exist? In my, rather brief, experience men are happy to share a post-oral kiss which kinda surprises me."

Don't see a problem. Happy to interrupt a BJ for a kiss at any time. I find it a turn on. Also if my partner agrees very happy to kiss her then resume attending to her orally. Also a very sexy turn on. Can't see the problem.

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By *arksMan
over a year ago

in the centre

"Love it but I like them spunky too, I'm still waiting to find a line I might draw. One day, someday, not any day soon

I had a line once , now it's more a speck of dust on the horizon

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By *andi_shopWoman
over a year ago

rotherham

I've been with a guy with wouldn't, I just found it a bit pathetic and moved on from him

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By *aughty_amazonWoman
over a year ago

BRISTOL

"I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

An ATM that doesn't charge for a withdrawal

Oh I do....a Costa and white chocolate

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By *inglenfreeMan
over a year ago

london

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

100% Agree with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

An ATM that doesn't charge for a withdrawal

Oh I do....a Costa and white chocolate

Sold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

An ATM that doesn't charge for a withdrawal

Oh I do....a Costa and white chocolate

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good girl lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

How you doin

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By *appyman3943Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I don't get why it would be an issue!

I did have an ex that tried it after she had made me cum which took me totally by surprise as she still had my load in her mouth.

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By *onballer9Man
over a year ago

west midlands

"I'm a Ho I'll suck a Willy after its been in my bum too

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your a filthy lady I hope you'll do that to my willy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, they exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It never even occurred to me that men would have a problem with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've been with a guy with wouldn't, I just found it a bit pathetic and moved on from him "

you fucked him off because of that?...

Hell hath no fury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most men seem to enjoy it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's never crossed my mind not to, it's all just part and parcel of sex, even if it's spunky

Sometimes we enjoy a good long slow sensual 69 and spend quality time clean each other up after we've had sex, so kissing is just that regardless of where her mouth has been prior.

Ess

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I find it quite offensive if someone won't kiss me after having oral sex with each other. I wouldn't see them again either

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By *uddlybear2015Man
over a year ago

BEDFORD

"*chews ear of corn whilst idly sitting on a farm gate*

Arrr.

Mayhap t'is, mayhap t'ain't - couldn't say f'sure"

Oh,go on,take a guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I like the idea of kissing a woman after performing oral sex on her, as for kissing her sacking me off, what is the problem. It won't make you bisexual.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's the thing.

I'll happily go down on a woman...I've had women squirt all over my face...no problem there.

But my own cum?..I just ...no...no..no.

Someone tried to rub my own cum in my face..

But she knows me well enough to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it quite offensive if someone won't kiss me after having oral sex with each other. I wouldn't see them again either

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I'm inclined to agree with this.

I find I'm becoming less and less tolerant of those with differing ideas about what is acceptable sexually.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts

"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

If he's done a good job and I'm still horny I'll finger myself and lick them . Seems to give him a stiffy again ...

Jo x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We both love kissing after oral. Someone I met a few times last year would only give me very tight lipped pecks after I'd given him a blow job, it was a real turn off. If he thought his cum was gross then why would I want it in my mouth? Most odd...

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By *orny IrishMan
over a year ago

Rural Wiltshire

"Would you not kiss a man who has gone down on you? All women I've met seem fine with this and surely it's just the same as for women giving oral to men

I do more than that, I like sucking fingers after they've been inside me

If he's done a good job and I'm still horny I'll finger myself and lick them . Seems to give him a stiffy again ...

Jo x"

I think that would work for me. Would love to try an experiment to test.

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By *r Stagger LeeMan
over a year ago

torquay

love the kissing and sensual side of play, before and after.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

Sorry Mr Shadow Man but mommy told me not to speak to strangers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find kissing extremely sensual and am very happy to kiss a woman deeply and passionately after she's sucked my cock just the same as she would after I've licked her pussy. It's sex we're having; enjoy it all!

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By *aughtyLondonGuyMan
over a year ago

london

I love the taste of my own spunk

Only mine tho!

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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"I find kissing extremely sensual and am very happy to kiss a woman deeply and passionately after she's sucked my cock just the same as she would after I've licked her pussy. It's sex we're having; enjoy it all!

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By *ettyboop61Woman
over a year ago

St Neots

Love tasting myself after oral and then a kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

Sorry Mr Shadow Man but mommy told me not to speak to strangers

Fabulous answer

, wouldn't expect anything less from a smart and sexy lady like you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you really taste like Honey??

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By *ySweetLadyWoman
over a year ago

London

When we used to have sex, years ago, my husband would never kiss me after I had been sucking him, whether he'd cum (99% of the times) or not. It always made me feel as if sucking him was wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

Sorry Mr Shadow Man but mommy told me not to speak to strangers

Fabulous answer

, wouldn't expect anything less from a smart and sexy lady like you

Now now I watched princess and the frog I know where all the sweet talk is going ... I'm not kissing no frogs, rather cock lol

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By *rHornyGentMan
over a year ago

South East London

I'm all for kissing and sharing body fluids before, during and after sex. If that means I get the opportunity to clean up after myself then so much the better. Not adverse to cumswapping either if my partner has asked me to cum in her mouth or she has orgasmed and wants to taste herself.

My mum always said to leave somewhere you've been nice and tidy so I try to follow her mantra every time

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By *iss.HoneyWoman
over a year ago

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Do you really taste like Honey?? "

You'll have to find out, I'm biased

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

Sorry Mr Shadow Man but mommy told me not to speak to strangers

Fabulous answer

, wouldn't expect anything less from a smart and sexy lady like you

Now now I watched princess and the frog I know where all the sweet talk is going ... I'm not kissing no frogs, rather cock lol "

Might not be size adequate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Even better kissing a man after he's been down on you and covered in your Cum!

This where the snorkel comes in handy haha

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It would disappoint me and I'd probably not repeat it ever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've spoken to someone who won't kiss, or give oral.

I said I wouldn't give oral either then, so what's the point meeting. Might as well lay on a bed and welcome all-comers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

Sorry Mr Shadow Man but mommy told me not to speak to strangers

Fabulous answer

, wouldn't expect anything less from a smart and sexy lady like you

Now now I watched princess and the frog I know where all the sweet talk is going ... I'm not kissing no frogs, rather cock lol

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The ones that don't won't get oral from me. If he doesn't want it in his mouth why should I put it in mine

Hmmm the question is would you kiss me after I've been down on you...no not there, the other side

Sorry Mr Shadow Man but mommy told me not to speak to strangers

Fabulous answer

, wouldn't expect anything less from a smart and sexy lady like you

Now now I watched princess and the frog I know where all the sweet talk is going ... I'm not kissing no frogs, rather cock lol

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In all my cock sucking years I've encountered two men who weren't keen on kissing after I'd sucked them. I find it slightly odd but who am I to argue? To me it's just like some people don't like the feeling or taste of cum in their mouths and some can be quite cockily about it.

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By *edsBonkingMan
over a year ago

Near MK

"I don't mean spunky kisses

Do any exist? In my, rather brief, experience men are happy to share a post-oral kiss which kinda surprises me."

I have no problem with that.... why should men not want to lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

Depends where you are kissing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

Depends where you are kissing

The butt, I always kiss butts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

Depends where you are kissing

The butt, I always kiss butts

cheque please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

Depends where you are kissing

The butt, I always kiss butts

cheque please "

I'm sure I can lure you in somehow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

Depends where you are kissing

The butt, I always kiss butts

cheque please

I'm sure I can lure you in somehow

I believe I asked for the cheque

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might not be size adequate

Oh Mr Shadow Man... no deal shall be stuck today

Maybe next time

Depends where you are kissing

The butt, I always kiss butts

cheque please

I'm sure I can lure you in somehow

I believe I asked for the cheque

It's on the house

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

Lips taste gorgeous after oral!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I guess some are scared they will be labelled 'fab straight'

seems if you breath the same air as another guy on here you are not straight

Just not my thing to have someone else cum in my mouth. After I've gone down is fine to swap but not share

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