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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Who else is a fan?

I'm just starting Smoke And Mirrors after reading a couple of stories from it years ago, and his imagination always amazes me. I think he's so underrated

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Yeah I'm a fan, I started with Sandman in the 80s and he keeps getting better. The Ocean at the End of the Lane was fantastic. Really looking forward to the American Gods tv series

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very underrated yes, I love his stuff and so many stories that have been adapted. I love how dark his writing is

Beard

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By *GHertsCouple
over a year ago

North Herts

I am!

Love his imagination, and the uncanny way he somehow writes about just the sort of dark, gothy, supernatural tales I (and clearly loads of others) love to read in a very clever, funny and appealing way.

Neverwhere, with its depiction of an alternative London that was also very familiar is one of my favourite books

Ms G

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My only experience of his work is one of my all time favourite, read it over and over again, books Good Omens, on which he collaborated with the brilliant, witty and much missed Terry Pratchett. I'm already on my third copy as I read the first two to destruction. Love it.

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By *obwithkiltMan
over a year ago

Belton

Have quite a few of his..favourite is stardust and the graveyard book...my elderly copy of good omens is only touched every now and then...it's signed with 'burn this book' and 999

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By *obwithkiltMan
over a year ago

Belton

Also you tube has footage of an evening with him and his wife Amanda Palmer. .worth a gander too

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Neil's great,Amanda less so... Did anyone see the Bowie tribute she was part of at the Albert Hall? God awful

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Worked in a paper recycling plant many years ago, his comics used to come in off the wh smith lorries, along with loads of marvel and dc. Had a lot of time on my hands, done alot of reading, thoroughly enjoyed his pnuematic man story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I read neverwhere I lived in London and travelled the tube everyday. Thanks to Mr gaiman I never looked at that tube map in quite the same way.

Imagination combined with serendipity... the evocative sometimes challenging nature of his writing is exquisite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I read neverwhere I lived in London and travelled the tube everyday. Thanks to Mr gaiman I never looked at that tube map in quite the same way.

Imagination combined with serendipity... the evocative sometimes challenging nature of his writing is exquisite"

Big fan. There was an excellent adaptation of Neverwhere on the radio, with James Mcavoy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Resurrecting this dead thread because I've just finished The Sandman and am half way through Neverwhere.

What should I read next? I do have The Ocean at the End of The Lane & American Gods. (which I've owned for years and never got round to reading

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I am just so in love with the characters & worlds Gaiman creates. Proper escapism in written form.

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland

Ocean at the end of the lane is great but American God's is next level. One of my absolute favourite books

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Resurrecting this dead thread because I've just finished The Sandman and am half way through Neverwhere.

What should I read next? I do have The Ocean at the End of The Lane & American Gods. (which I've owned for years and never got round to reading

)

I am just so in love with the characters & worlds Gaiman creates. Proper escapism in written form. "

I love Mr Gaiman with every fibre of my being! The Graveyard Book is lovely, but my favourite is his short stories collection Smoke and Mirrors.

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland

I like his appearance on The Simpsons where he admits to be illiterate

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By *ensualMan
over a year ago

Sutton

I could not get into Sandman.

I also became doubtful about Neil Gaiman in regard to the comic "Neverwhere" which I really enjoyed particularly the character the Marquis De Carabas who was white in the comic, which was no big deal because back then most comic characters were white, so I thought nothing if it.

I then discovered that the comic was based on a TV series by Neil Gaimen and Lenny Henry. I bought the dvd and in the TV series the Marquis De Carabas is larger than life and brilliant. The only thing was that he was played by a black man.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paterson_Joseph

This extract from a website states:

"I’ve just been reading 'Neverwhere’ a book by Neil Gaiman.

"I didn’t realise, reading it, that it was adapted from a TV show, until I looked online for pictures of the characters. The actual book description describes a character, the Marquis de Carabas, as having 'extremely dark skin’."

When I looked into it (and this was some years ago when the comic came out), the articles available online that I read stated the change was made to appease the American publishers of the comic. So I am not a fan of Neil Gaiman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm surprised.

He's getting some idiotic tweets at the moment for the casting of Kirby Howell-Baptist as Death, which he's pushed back at.

I've went off to find some more info, and it's actually worse. Glenn Fabry, the arist actually depicted Marquis de Carabas in 'blackface'. I would really like to hear Gaiman's opinion on this, especially like I say, after some of the tweets he has been getting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I love Mr Gaiman with every fibre of my being! The Graveyard Book is lovely, but my favourite is his short stories collection Smoke and Mirrors."

Thanks. I'll buy these once I've finished my to read pile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The book of American Gods is a masterclass.

I like lots of his anyway. Sandman is also a banger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe I should retract my last statement.

Apparently Marquis de Carabas wasn't even meant to be human in the graphic novel adaptation. I could read more into it but it's almost 3am so I'll leave that for tomorrow.

But I will definitely check out the TV show as I think Paterson Joseph is a great actor.

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By *affeine DuskMan
over a year ago

Caerphilly

"I could not get into Sandman.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paterson_Joseph

This extract from a website states:

"I’ve just been reading 'Neverwhere’ a book by Neil Gaiman.

It's likely (and I'm just going on industry knowledge, I haven't checked) that Gaiman had no say in the creative for the graphic novel. Carey/Fabry were the team, Gaiman would only be credited as creator of the original (TV/radio/novel), and anything in that work would have been adaptation of his work into a product that Gaiman had no part in and legally could not change or stop.

...which is basically why Alan Moore has been a proper angry bastard for decades, he has no say in what happens to his creations like Watchmen and From Hell.

Like I said, I'm assuming and would have to check but it's so common for property rights to change and the creator being left out.

Much like Sandman (which is my favourite but you are justified in not getting into, I know many who didn't), it took 30 years to see a screen because Gaiman did retain control in an extremely rare contract, and he wouldn't let it be made if it wasn't right.

...wow, that was a lot for an 'it's likely' beginning, sorry

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple
over a year ago

Sunderland

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned but if you've not read it then Good Omens is an absolutely fantastic book. Helped of course by the fact its a collaboration between 2 of my favourite authors

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Surprised it hasn't been mentioned but if you've not read it then Good Omens is an absolutely fantastic book. Helped of course by the fact its a collaboration between 2 of my favourite authors "

And one of our favourite authors.... don't forget TP! X

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

not meeting, forums only

"Surprised it hasn't been mentioned but if you've not read it then Good Omens is an absolutely fantastic book. Helped of course by the fact its a collaboration between 2 of my favourite authors "

It's a very good book.. yes a fan here too...

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

"Resurrecting this dead thread because I've just finished The Sandman and am half way through Neverwhere.

What should I read next? I do have The Ocean at the End of The Lane & American Gods. (which I've owned for years and never got round to reading

)

I am just so in love with the characters & worlds Gaiman creates. Proper escapism in written form.

I love Mr Gaiman with every fibre of my being! The Graveyard Book is lovely, but my favourite is his short stories collection Smoke and Mirrors."

Love love this. And also the fact you're here posting on this. Sandman is so good! I'll WA you later because otherwise this thread will be full of gushing sentimentality to a genius who'll never read this.

Trigger Warning is another fantastic anthology.

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By *ervent_fervourMan
over a year ago

Halifax

Black Orchid is one of my favs by him. Sumptuous artwork too.

The Graveyard book and Neverwhere have some great characters and set pieces, but i think he only really hit maximum creative paydirt (in his novels) with American Gods.

Which i also think owes a hefty debt to Stephen King.

On a side note, anyone having issues with the directing in Sandman? Only watched the first episode so far, but I've a few issues..!

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By *ort_AdmiralMan
25 weeks ago

Birmingham

I’m guessing a few new opinions will now be appearing after the latest revelations. One wonder what the BDSM community thinks about someone using power as leverage while using the lifestyle as an excuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
25 weeks ago

"I’m guessing a few new opinions will now be appearing after the latest revelations. One wonder what the BDSM community thinks about someone using power as leverage while using the lifestyle as an excuse."

"Here we go again" 🙄

This sucks for Gaiman fans too.

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By *eliWoman
25 weeks ago

Yeah, it's crap. Disgusting. Various other things. I'm not too sure how much I can go in to it on here but it's so tiring how often power is abused and it's labelled BDSM.

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By *eltCuteMightDeleteWoman
25 weeks ago

Reading

It’s so upsetting. He was a favourite. Also really gross, if true, about Amanda Palmer’s involvement.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
25 weeks ago

Colchester

Quite disgusted IF what I have read so far is true, because I had assumed that with NG being an ally of the LGBTGQIA+ community, and involved in poly arrangements and alternative culture (and I strongly suspect the BDSM scene), he of all people should have understood consent, appropriateness and pretty much every other aspect of the scene, in quite critical detail.

It's almost as if a 747 pilot tells you, "Well, I haven't actually read the flight manual, but I've got a pretty good idea".

Unfortunately, for those in the scene who do adhere to best practice, it's just made their lives that little bit harder than it really needs to be.

Anyway, let's see the evidence from trial and then see if various lines have been crossed by any of the parties involved.

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By *imon_hydeMan
25 weeks ago

Stockport

The Vice article was a difficult read. I find it hard to differentiate between art and artist so I suspect I'll not be re-reading his work. Despicable.

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By (user no longer on site)
25 weeks ago

My favourite author....i literally get lost in his books

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By *aitonelMan
25 weeks ago

Liverpool

"My favourite author....i literally get lost in his books

He gets a bit lost in his own fantasy world too it seems

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By (user no longer on site)
25 weeks ago

"Here we go again" 🙄

This sucks for Gaiman fans too."

Indeed. It feels pretty shit to be a Gaiman fan right now.

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By *aitonelMan
25 weeks ago

Liverpool

"Here we go again" 🙄

This sucks for Gaiman fans too.

Indeed. It feels pretty shit to be a Gaiman fan right now."

It's easy! The man has always been a bit of a knob. His work, excellent. But the man, eh.

Just be a fan of his books. Forget about the man.

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By (user no longer on site)
25 weeks ago

"Here we go again" 🙄

This sucks for Gaiman fans too.

Indeed. It feels pretty shit to be a Gaiman fan right now.

It's easy! The man has always been a bit of a knob. His work, excellent. But the man, eh.

Just be a fan of his books. Forget about the man. "

I know you're right, but I do struggle to compartmentalise.

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By (user no longer on site)
25 weeks ago

"My favourite author....i literally get lost in his books

He gets a bit lost in his own fantasy world too it seems"

Just googled to see what had happened...oh dear :/

Can I rephrase my original comment to "I love Neil Gaiman's books"

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By *ildTimes.Man
25 weeks ago

Wherever I May Roam

Never heard of him until 5 minutes ago...googled him....looks the type...what a Dweeb. 🥪

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