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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? " I know it's no joking matter and so with all due deference to the subject matter at hand etc - but a lady being somewhere between slightly to overly tiddly is just about the only way I ever got any snogs when I was at University .. Anyway - no, OP I look nothing like Mr Evans. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? " Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk??" Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman?" Of course, and any man who says he hasn't is lying | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman?" Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman?" . I'd say I think probably have but I was that d*unk I couldn't remember.... Oh wait it's all coming back to me now  | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? " He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman?" Often,in fact I would say regularly. D*unk sex is not a crime. We like d*unk sex.   | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk??" Lots | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. " Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. " https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. " He may have behaved like a cunt, But behaving like a cunt, shouldn't carry a 5 year jail sentence. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. " Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.." I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. So I don't like what he did. That's just my view. Be it right or wrong, it's my opinion. | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice "
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.. I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. So I don't like what he did. That's just my view. Be it right or wrong, it's my opinion. " What you said is 'he has acted like a cunt'. Presumably you think that anybody whose actions you don't like should be given a 5 year prison sentence and be penalised to the tune of £5million. Liked his actions or not, he has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. Just like hillsborough or the Birmingham 6. Time to apologise and move on. | |||
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" I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.. I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. So I don't like what he did. That's just my view. Be it right or wrong, it's my opinion. What you said is 'he has acted like a cunt'. Presumably you think that anybody whose actions you don't like should be given a 5 year prison sentence and be penalised to the tune of £5million. Liked his actions or not, he has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. Just like hillsborough or the Birmingham 6. Time to apologise and move on." Not sure how you got to that conclusion. im leaving the thread now as I gave my opinion that's all. As I said I'm not the only one who thinks it. I think it's slightly different to the other court cases you quoted. | |||
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" I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.. I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. So I don't like what he did. That's just my view. Be it right or wrong, it's my opinion. What you said is 'he has acted like a cunt'. Presumably you think that anybody whose actions you don't like should be given a 5 year prison sentence and be penalised to the tune of £5million. Liked his actions or not, he has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. Just like hillsborough or the Birmingham 6. Time to apologise and move on. Not sure how you got to that conclusion. im leaving the thread now as I gave my opinion that's all. As I said I'm not the only one who thinks it. I think it's slightly different to the other court cases you quoted. " Totally different to the cases mentioned really, as they were brought about by the British Establishment actively corrupting evidence and conspiring to lay blame at the wrong people. I'm not getting involved in the Ched Evans case, but to link his situation to Hillsborough and The Birmingham Six is both ludicrous and, in my opinion at least, disrespectful. | |||
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" Totally different to the cases mentioned really, as they were brought about by the British Establishment actively corrupting evidence and conspiring to lay blame at the wrong people. I'm not getting involved in the Ched Evans case, but to link his situation to Hillsborough and The Birmingham Six is both ludicrous and, in my opinion at least, disrespectful. " And mine. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. " Was he sober? | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober?" I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. " It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice " Rape victims don't get any justice in the UK
God help you if you do get raped in the uk because the courts will want to know how d*unk you were ,how many people you have fucked, and what slutty rape me costume you were wearing to tempt the poor innocent man who doesn't understand the word no, and is in no way responsible for his actions..
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. " It's not only the man's responsibility but if a man is too d*unk to be able to give consent he's unlikely to be dipping his wick. He could wake up with a sore arse though. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. " It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. " What if they were both drinking? | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It's not only the man's responsibility but if a man is too d*unk to be able to give consent he's unlikely to be dipping his wick. He could wake up with a sore arse though." My ex used to go for hours when he had had a drink. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking?" Then they both must establish consent and/or if the other party isn't capable of consenting (and by this, I mean incoherent/passed out). | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking? Then they both must establish consent and/or if the other party isn't capable of consenting (and by this, I mean incoherent/passed out). " Responsibility for themselves then. | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years "The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking?" If the man was too d*unk to give a woman consent for her to have sex with him, then that's that. Women don't rape men. | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
"And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail . | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking? If the man was too d*unk to give a woman consent for her to have sex with him, then that's that. Women don't rape men." Really? | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
"Or they could say no if they aren't sure. It's not rocket science. There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking? If the man was too d*unk to give a woman consent for her to have sex with him, then that's that. Women don't rape men." Er...what? | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.." the only reference to cocaine in the transcript is that she had used some and some marijuana several days earlier.. nothing about being 'd up to the eyeballs' unless you have a link to some other transcript? | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking? If the man was too d*unk to give a woman consent for her to have sex with him, then that's that. Women don't rape men. Really?" Yes......"Rape is a statutory offence in England and Wales. According to the law, a rape can only be committed by a male as the penetration can only be done with his penis. If a victim is forcefully penetrated with an object, this is classed as "Sexual Assault by Penetration". The offence is created by section 1[1] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:..." | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. It isn't - it's the responsabilty of either party to obtain consent. If a partner (male or female) is too d*unk to give consent, then sex should not take place. What if they were both drinking? If the man was too d*unk to give a woman consent for her to have sex with him, then that's that. Women don't rape men. Er...what? "Listen up, Jimmo....."Rape is a statutory offence in England and Wales. According to the law, a rape can only be committed by a male as the penetration can only be done with his penis. If a victim is forcefully penetrated with an object, this is classed as "Sexual Assault by Penetration". The offence is created by section 1[1] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:..." That's why. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman? Or been falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? He still seems a weasel to me. Would you want him near your loved ones ? I wouldn't. Christ's sake the guy has done 2 and a half years in prison for something he hasn't done. Time to lay off a bit.. https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/ireland/560852 I'm not alone in my views. I'm afraid I still think he behaved like a cunt and my view won't change. Nobody is celebrating the behaviour of any of the parties involved. Ched Evans was unable to offer any sort of apology until now for fear of compromising his appeal/retrial. But his words now are those of someone who has clearly been distressed by the events of that night, their repercussions and is fully remorseful. He said his behaviour was poor, but what of the girl? I in no way blame her for the sequelae of her actions. But in simply saying she couldn't remember whether she had given consent made him entirely accountable for what had happened between them. The opinion you are expressing and the continued imflamatory press coverage, ie, ''cleared of raping teen' rather than 'found not guilty' show that despite the recent verdict, his imprisonment an his fight to clear his name not everyone is ready to forgive and forget The girls actions - so d*unk she couldn't remember and d up to the eyeballs, goes back to a hotel with a guy she doesn't know then encourages a superstar millionaire celebrity athlete to join them in a threesome... Surely the problem is now we've empowered young people to be able to make these sort of (?negative?) choices with their lives they must be mature enough to make decisions as a result. My own view- society (including women) has failed to provide role models for young women to look up to. Hence the obsession with fame, 'celebrity' and wealth taking precedence over aspiration, hard work and career.. Ched Evans was one of 3 people who acted injudiciously that evening, but to make him responsible for the actions of thousands of others in simillar situations seems a jump too far.. I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. So I don't like what he did. That's just my view. Be it right or wrong, it's my opinion. " But the previous trial had found her sober enough to consent to sex with one person at the exact same time as she was deemed too d*unk to consent to sex with Evans. That's why his conviction was always unsafe and always going to be overturned. Incidentally, did you realise that at no time has the female in question ever made an allegation of any kind against Evans? She went to police to report her handbag stolen, they wanted to know her actions, she advised she'd been at the hotel, police identified it was booked in his name, contacted him, he went to the station of his own accord, told them he had no idea where her bag was but that they'd had sex, she said she couldn't confirm it as she couldn't remember and the police themselves decided to proceed on grounds of "too d*unk to consent". A ludicrous situation really. | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking. "Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints | |||
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"I am not condoning anyone raping anyone and only those people in that room will know what happened so I am mainly asking as a general question and not to do with this case..... If both people are d*unk/ tipsy, why is it just the mans responsibility when it comes to consent, surely it is for both?" In an equal society it should be....but legally a woman cannot rape a man...so that equality does not exist! | |||
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"Take this scenario: A couple post a meet on fab. They want a man to come to their hotel room where the wife/partner will be blindfolded (maybe Tied up?). The man is asked to turn up, fuck her and go.....without saying anything. No words are spoken....... .......sound familiar? I have seen many meets along these lines on here. I've participated in one (though met the couple soon after in the bar and had a more traditional mmf later). How would the guy know if the lady was d*unk or not? How could he ask for full consent? Now it is really sounding very familiar!" Doesn't sound familiar to me - I always establish consent before starting the scene. Perhaps others should do similar even it it means they need to roleplay harder to get back into the headspace. | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class" That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? | |||
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"Take this scenario: A couple post a meet on fab. They want a man to come to their hotel room where the wife/partner will be blindfolded (maybe Tied up?). The man is asked to turn up, fuck her and go.....without saying anything. No words are spoken....... .......sound familiar? I have seen many meets along these lines on here. I've participated in one (though met the couple soon after in the bar and had a more traditional mmf later). How would the guy know if the lady was d*unk or not? How could he ask for full consent? Now it is really sounding very familiar!" Fair point | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints "Perhaps try not getting so wankered you don't remember to ask for consent? | |||
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" Yes......"Rape is a statutory offence in England and Wales. According to the law, a rape can only be committed by a male as the penetration can only be done with his penis. If a victim is forcefully penetrated with an object, this is classed as "Sexual Assault by Penetration". The offence is created by section 1[1] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:..." " Lots of men would disagree, check further down google | |||
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"I am not condoning anyone raping anyone and only those people in that room will know what happened so I am mainly asking as a general question and not to do with this case..... If both people are d*unk/ tipsy, why is it just the mans responsibility when it comes to consent, surely it is for both? In an equal society it should be....but legally a woman cannot rape a man...so that equality does not exist!" Strap on up his arse?? | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints "I think that the idea is that you read it sober, and then the (very simple) idea is then in your brain. Would you excuse the man who decided to get in a car and drive it after 10 pints? | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
Perhaps try not getting so wankered you don't remember to ask for consent?"Try living in the real world | |||
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"I am not condoning anyone raping anyone and only those people in that room will know what happened so I am mainly asking as a general question and not to do with this case..... If both people are d*unk/ tipsy, why is it just the mans responsibility when it comes to consent, surely it is for both? In an equal society it should be....but legally a woman cannot rape a man...so that equality does not exist!" Lots of men would disagree | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
I think that the idea is that you read it sober, and then the (very simple) idea is then in your brain.
Would you excuse the man who decided to get in a car and drive it after 10 pints?"Is it a crime to drink ten pints?? | |||
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"I am not condoning anyone raping anyone and only those people in that room will know what happened so I am mainly asking as a general question and not to do with this case..... If both people are d*unk/ tipsy, why is it just the mans responsibility when it comes to consent, surely it is for both? In an equal society it should be....but legally a woman cannot rape a man...so that equality does not exist! Strap on up his arse?? "Sexual assault....not rape! | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? " Not really, most people on here are playing with consent | |||
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"I am not condoning anyone raping anyone and only those people in that room will know what happened so I am mainly asking as a general question and not to do with this case..... If both people are d*unk/ tipsy, why is it just the mans responsibility when it comes to consent, surely it is for both? In an equal society it should be....but legally a woman cannot rape a man...so that equality does not exist! Strap on up his arse??
Sexual assault....not rape!"Ah, fair point, surely the severity and punishment is the same though | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
I think that the idea is that you read it sober, and then the (very simple) idea is then in your brain.
Would you excuse the man who decided to get in a car and drive it after 10 pints?
Is it a crime to drink ten pints?? "No, of course not. But that doesn't mean drinking to excess absolves you of any responsibility for your actions. | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
I think that the idea is that you read it sober, and then the (very simple) idea is then in your brain.
Would you excuse the man who decided to get in a car and drive it after 10 pints?
Is it a crime to drink ten pints??
No, of course not.
But that doesn't mean drinking to excess absolves you of any responsibility for your actions. "Who said it did?? | |||
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"According to the law, a rape can only be committed by a male " Not true. Women can also be legally found guilty of rape. It's a complex area, made difficult by the law and the general public having different definitions of 'rape'. This case was groundbreaking in pushing the definition of consent. But I always thought it was slightly patronising towards women to say that when two people get d*unk, a man should remain responsible for his actions, whereas a woman couldn't possibly. Still, the idea that you can enter a room, have sex, and leave, all without saying a single word is definitely
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
Perhaps try not getting so wankered you don't remember to ask for consent?
Try living in the real world "Try being a responsible adult? | |||
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"Take this scenario: A couple post a meet on fab. They want a man to come to their hotel room where the wife/partner will be blindfolded (maybe Tied up?). The man is asked to turn up, fuck her and go.....without saying anything. No words are spoken....... .......sound familiar? I have seen many meets along these lines on here. I've participated in one (though met the couple soon after in the bar and had a more traditional mmf later). How would the guy know if the lady was d*unk or not? How could he ask for full consent? Now it is really sounding very familiar!" In light of this case, would you speak to the lady first now to establish consent, even if on the phone? | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
I think that the idea is that you read it sober, and then the (very simple) idea is then in your brain.
Would you excuse the man who decided to get in a car and drive it after 10 pints?
Is it a crime to drink ten pints??
No, of course not.
But that doesn't mean drinking to excess absolves you of any responsibility for your actions.
Who said it did??"You inferred that someone would be unable to establish sexual consent after 10 pints. Which is probable, but my point is that there are many things that it isn't possible to do after 10 pints, some of which are illegal, and it isn't an excuse for doing any of them. | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice Rape victims don't get any justice in the UK
God help you if you do get raped in the uk because the courts will want to know how d*unk you were ,how many people you have fucked, and what slutty rape me costume you were wearing to tempt the poor innocent man who doesn't understand the word no, and is in no way responsible for his actions..
"Rape victims don't get any justice,true. Although in this case,there was no rape, and from what I've read,no one has even claimed they said no. So perhaps this was not the best case,on which to make your point. It's strange how happy people were to accept the guilty verdict, Yet,now find the not guilty verdict,so unacceptable, even though the judgement is from the same court. | |||
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"Having only just read the new evidence , I think we have now gone back 30 years
The campaign group Women Against Rape criticised the decision to allow hearing evidence from former partners, saying it risks deterring women from reporting rape for fear their sex lives would be aired in court.
And for so many guys on a Saturday night , who will be fearful of getting their leg over with a woman who comes on to them after a few drinks , this case has made common sense prevail .
Or they could say no if they aren't sure.
It's not rocket science.
There was a very helpful police guide to consent using a cup of tea as an anology, which might be of help to the hard of thinking.
Yeah that's helpful on a Saturday night after 10 pints
I think that the idea is that you read it sober, and then the (very simple) idea is then in your brain.
Would you excuse the man who decided to get in a car and drive it after 10 pints?
Is it a crime to drink ten pints??
No, of course not.
But that doesn't mean drinking to excess absolves you of any responsibility for your actions.
Who said it did??
You inferred that someone would be unable to establish sexual consent after 10 pints.
Which is probable, but my point is that there are many things that it isn't possible to do after 10 pints, some of which are illegal, and it isn't an excuse for doing any of them. "I inferred that man and women have sex all the time when d*unk, it will probably happen a thousand times tonight | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? Not really, most people on here are playing with consent" Where in that comment did it mention not having consent? It didn't. Hence my response. | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice Rape victims don't get any justice in the UK
God help you if you do get raped in the uk because the courts will want to know how d*unk you were ,how many people you have fucked, and what slutty rape me costume you were wearing to tempt the poor innocent man who doesn't understand the word no, and is in no way responsible for his actions..
Rape victims don't get any justice,true.
Although in this case,there was no rape,
and from what I've read,no one has even claimed they said no.
So perhaps this was not the best case,on which to make your point.
It's strange how happy people were to accept the guilty verdict,
Yet,now find the not guilty verdict,so unacceptable,
even though the judgement is from the same court.
"In the words of a solicitor :- The only difference between a clear conviction of Mr Evans in 2012 and the absolute refusal of him having any leave to appeal at that time, and his acquittal now, is that he has called some men to throw discredit on [the woman's] sexual reputation. That, I think, is pouring prejudice, which is exactly what used to happen before the law in 1999 stopped the admission of previous sexual history in order to show consent. So why were they allowed to be considered in this case? | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice Rape victims don't get any justice in the UK
God help you if you do get raped in the uk because the courts will want to know how d*unk you were ,how many people you have fucked, and what slutty rape me costume you were wearing to tempt the poor innocent man who doesn't understand the word no, and is in no way responsible for his actions..
Rape victims don't get any justice,true.
Although in this case,there was no rape,
and from what I've read,no one has even claimed they said no.
So perhaps this was not the best case,on which to make your point.
It's strange how happy people were to accept the guilty verdict,
Yet,now find the not guilty verdict,so unacceptable,
even though the judgement is from the same court.
In the words of a solicitor :-
The only difference between a clear conviction of Mr Evans in 2012 and the absolute refusal of him having any leave to appeal at that time, and his acquittal now, is that he has called some men to throw discredit on [the woman's] sexual reputation.
That, I think, is pouring prejudice, which is exactly what used to happen before the law in 1999 stopped the admission of previous sexual history in order to show consent.
So why were they allowed to be considered in this case?"Which solicitor?? | |||
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"So why were they allowed to be considered in this case?" Because the trial judge, in possession of more facts than us, deemed it so. I don't know the full details, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't acquitted simply on the basis that she'd had sex before. | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice Rape victims don't get any justice in the UK
God help you if you do get raped in the uk because the courts will want to know how d*unk you were ,how many people you have fucked, and what slutty rape me costume you were wearing to tempt the poor innocent man who doesn't understand the word no, and is in no way responsible for his actions..
Rape victims don't get any justice,true.
Although in this case,there was no rape,
and from what I've read,no one has even claimed they said no.
So perhaps this was not the best case,on which to make your point.
It's strange how happy people were to accept the guilty verdict,
Yet,now find the not guilty verdict,so unacceptable,
even though the judgement is from the same court.
In the words of a solicitor :-
The only difference between a clear conviction of Mr Evans in 2012 and the absolute refusal of him having any leave to appeal at that time, and his acquittal now, is that he has called some men to throw discredit on [the woman's] sexual reputation.
That, I think, is pouring prejudice, which is exactly what used to happen before the law in 1999 stopped the admission of previous sexual history in order to show consent.
So why were they allowed to be considered in this case?"Because, and I quote, "two other men who had sex with the woman had described their encounters with her in highly specific terms that were virtually indistinguishable from Mr Evans's own account of what had happened. One of the encounters occurred days before the alleged rape - and the other in the days that followed. On each occasion the woman had been drinking heavily and the sex occurred in a very specific way - including the words she used to encourage her partner. Each time she woke up saying she had no memory of what had happened" As i posted earlier, the alleged victim made no allegation of rape. She said she didn't remember what happened. It appears she would regularly get blotto and have sex she couldn't remember, by her own volition. The defence case was that this was such a scenario and the appeal judges considered on the evidence submitted that was a very real possibility and should be put to a jury. | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer. We don't know what happened in that hotel but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her and his life has been ruined because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine. Funny enough she won't have to pay back the £70,000 compensation she got for FALSELY accusing a man of raid who has since lost £5 million in earnings. Some people on here need to give their heads a wobble. " She had to change her name and move location after being named on social media at the time of the original trial. And I think it has happened again. So anonymity - I don't think so! | |||
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"There's a lot about this that doesn't sit well although I am still trying to get my head around some of the date's etc.. Evans appealed both the verdict and length of sentence in 2012 and that was dismissed, the issue of consent was key and the Court of Appeal were satisfied that the original jury had got it right based on the evidence available.. there was no mention at that time of other men whose evidence was crucial in the retrial.. then a private investigator and a £50,000 reward for new evidence which would help to clear Evans is offered.. 2 guys come forward and their recollection of the time they had sex with the woman is very similar to how she was and what she said and wanted etc with them and Evans.. and on that new evidence the issue of consent matters no more? I think this will put off some women who have been raped from coming forward and that is worrying.. " Why will it?? Explain | |||
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"There's a lot about this that doesn't sit well although I am still trying to get my head around some of the date's etc.. Evans appealed both the verdict and length of sentence in 2012 and that was dismissed, the issue of consent was key and the Court of Appeal were satisfied that the original jury had got it right based on the evidence available.. there was no mention at that time of other men whose evidence was crucial in the retrial.. then a private investigator and a £50,000 reward for new evidence which would help to clear Evans is offered.. 2 guys come forward and their recollection of the time they had sex with the woman is very similar to how she was and what she said and wanted etc with them and Evans.. and on that new evidence the issue of consent matters no more? I think this will put off some women who have been raped from coming forward and that is worrying.. " It was always a potential miscarriage if justice based on the fact that two were charged with rape on the "too d*unk to consent" basis yet one was convicted, the other cleared. How could she possibly be sober enough to consent with one but not the other when they were together at the same time? Evidence was not previously allowed in court, that was resubmitted at the appeal, and the appeal judges felt it was fair to allow it to be brought up in court. You forget, her phone and mobile records were submitted to the police for their original investigation which highlighted certain events and the defence are allowed access to those records, hence being able to identify these men for defence purposes. | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer. We don't know what happened in that hotel but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her and his life has been ruined because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine. Funny enough she won't have to pay back the £70,000 compensation she got for FALSELY accusing a man of raid who has since lost £5 million in earnings. Some people on here need to give their heads a wobble. She had to change her name and move location after being named on social media at the time of the original trial. And I think it has happened again. So anonymity - I don't think so!" I think she had a better time than Mr Evans | |||
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"I feel for him, he made a daft decision joining them however I think a lot of people in his position would do the same. I also feel for genuine rape victims who don't get heard nor get justice Rape victims don't get any justice in the UK
God help you if you do get raped in the uk because the courts will want to know how d*unk you were ,how many people you have fucked, and what slutty rape me costume you were wearing to tempt the poor innocent man who doesn't understand the word no, and is in no way responsible for his actions..
Rape victims don't get any justice,true.
Although in this case,there was no rape,
and from what I've read,no one has even claimed they said no.
So perhaps this was not the best case,on which to make your point.
It's strange how happy people were to accept the guilty verdict,
Yet,now find the not guilty verdict,so unacceptable,
even though the judgement is from the same court.
In the words of a solicitor :-
The only difference between a clear conviction of Mr Evans in 2012 and the absolute refusal of him having any leave to appeal at that time, and his acquittal now, is that he has called some men to throw discredit on [the woman's] sexual reputation.
That, I think, is pouring prejudice, which is exactly what used to happen before the law in 1999 stopped the admission of previous sexual history in order to show consent.
So why were they allowed to be considered in this case?"So are you saying that by allowing this evidence,the court acted illegally. I would be dumbfounded,were that the case. | |||
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"There's a lot about this that doesn't sit well although I am still trying to get my head around some of the date's etc.. Evans appealed both the verdict and length of sentence in 2012 and that was dismissed, the issue of consent was key and the Court of Appeal were satisfied that the original jury had got it right based on the evidence available.. there was no mention at that time of other men whose evidence was crucial in the retrial.. then a private investigator and a £50,000 reward for new evidence which would help to clear Evans is offered.. 2 guys come forward and their recollection of the time they had sex with the woman is very similar to how she was and what she said and wanted etc with them and Evans.. and on that new evidence the issue of consent matters no more? I think this will put off some women who have been raped from coming forward and that is worrying.. Why will it?? Explain " you don't think that clever defence barrister's wont look to explore the same 'exceptional circumstance's ' for their own clients.. | |||
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"There's a lot about this that doesn't sit well although I am still trying to get my head around some of the date's etc.. Evans appealed both the verdict and length of sentence in 2012 and that was dismissed, the issue of consent was key and the Court of Appeal were satisfied that the original jury had got it right based on the evidence available.. there was no mention at that time of other men whose evidence was crucial in the retrial.. then a private investigator and a £50,000 reward for new evidence which would help to clear Evans is offered.. 2 guys come forward and their recollection of the time they had sex with the woman is very similar to how she was and what she said and wanted etc with them and Evans.. and on that new evidence the issue of consent matters no more? I think this will put off some women who have been raped from coming forward and that is worrying.. Why will it?? Explain you don't think that clever defence barrister's wont look to explore the same 'exceptional circumstance's ' for their own clients.. " That is his job, however it's up to the judge to allow the evidence not the solicitor | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. Nobody has said anything about either not having sex or remaining sober. It is perfectly possible to establish consent in a non-boring fashion, you know. Although I've gone out and got pissed, all the best sex I've had has been when I was sober. Also, I can't see how acting like an adult is "guff". Like I said, doing stuff often has consequences, d*unk or not. People get d*unk and drive, it's still a crime, people get d*unk and assault other people, it's still a crime, and they still have to take responsability for their actions. Sometimes (or a lot of the time), the d*unk person does stuff that only negativeley affects themselves, but just because they were d*unk, doesn't mean it didn't happen - I had a mate at school who got d*unk, jumped off the roof of iceland and broke his leg. He later got gangrene under the plaster and died. You pays your money, you takes your chances and if you fuck up, then you have to accept the consequences. " I have a mate who got run over and killed by a car when he was sober, what is your point ? | |||
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"There's a lot about this that doesn't sit well although I am still trying to get my head around some of the date's etc.. Evans appealed both the verdict and length of sentence in 2012 and that was dismissed, the issue of consent was key and the Court of Appeal were satisfied that the original jury had got it right based on the evidence available.. there was no mention at that time of other men whose evidence was crucial in the retrial.. then a private investigator and a £50,000 reward for new evidence which would help to clear Evans is offered.. 2 guys come forward and their recollection of the time they had sex with the woman is very similar to how she was and what she said and wanted etc with them and Evans.. and on that new evidence the issue of consent matters no more? I think this will put off some women who have been raped from coming forward and that is worrying.. It was always a potential miscarriage if justice based on the fact that two were charged with rape on the "too d*unk to consent" basis yet one was convicted, the other cleared. How could she possibly be sober enough to consent with one but not the other when they were together at the same time? Evidence was not previously allowed in court, that was resubmitted at the appeal, and the appeal judges felt it was fair to allow it to be brought up in court. You forget, her phone and mobile records were submitted to the police for their original investigation which highlighted certain events and the defence are allowed access to those records, hence being able to identify these men for defence purposes." Evans lost his appeal in 2012 on the issue of consent which was what he was found guilty for in 2011.. the 2 witnesses were not part of that appeal, they were only found after the reward was put up and an investigator traced them.. her phone and its details would have been part of the initial trial, if the defence were any good so whatever was on it was either deemed not relevant or any other men were not contacted.. his defence had they not been allowed to use the 2 blokes evidence at the original trial would have done so at the appeal, but didn't and it was only when the new evidence was found after he lost the appeal that the case was referred to the CCRC.. | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. Nobody has said anything about either not having sex or remaining sober. It is perfectly possible to establish consent in a non-boring fashion, you know. Although I've gone out and got pissed, all the best sex I've had has been when I was sober. Also, I can't see how acting like an adult is "guff". Like I said, doing stuff often has consequences, d*unk or not. People get d*unk and drive, it's still a crime, people get d*unk and assault other people, it's still a crime, and they still have to take responsability for their actions. Sometimes (or a lot of the time), the d*unk person does stuff that only negativeley affects themselves, but just because they were d*unk, doesn't mean it didn't happen - I had a mate at school who got d*unk, jumped off the roof of iceland and broke his leg. He later got gangrene under the plaster and died. You pays your money, you takes your chances and if you fuck up, then you have to accept the consequences. I have a mate who got run over and killed by a car when he was sober, what is your point ? " My point is (and I thought I was being incredibly clear about it), that being d*unk isn't an excuse. If you are adult enough to drink, you are adult enough to accept the consequences if you drink too much, whatever they may be. I'm not ever going to pretend that I don't like a drink. But, like I said - if I take it upon myself to drink 10 pints and then do something fucking stupid/illegal, then it's nobody's fault but my own. I've certainly had sex d*unk, but I've also somehow managed to ascertain whether the sex was consensual using basic social skills. | |||
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" Evans lost his appeal in 2012 on the issue of consent which was what he was found guilty for in 2011.. the 2 witnesses were not part of that appeal, they were only found after the reward was put up and an investigator traced them.. her phone and its details would have been part of the initial trial, if the defence were any good so whatever was on it was either deemed not relevant or any other men were not contacted.. his defence had they not been allowed to use the 2 blokes evidence at the original trial would have done so at the appeal, but didn't and it was only when the new evidence was found after he lost the appeal that the case was referred to the CCRC.. " So are you saying that you would prefer that this evidence was disallowed, and an innocent man sent to prison? | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? " Whereas NOOOOOOOOOOOO woman has ever had sex with a d*unk man eh? Ah good old equality just so long as some are nore equal than others eh? Imagine someone on a frickin sex site chastising someone for having d*unken sex...... Jesus wept. | |||
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" I wasn't making him responsible for anyone other than himself. But if someone is too d*unk to consent , he should have walked away. Was he sober? I'm not entirely sure why that matters. If he was d*unk and got in a car, for example, he'd be answerable for his actions in a court of law. D*unkeness does not absolve someone of responsability. It does matter, if both were d*unk then why is it only the mans responsibility to not have sex. " | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class" whereas you are on here just for shits and giggles yes? | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer. We don't know what happened in that hotel but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her and his life has been ruined because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine. Funny enough she won't have to pay back the £70,000 compensation she got for FALSELY accusing a man of raid who has since lost £5 million in earnings. Some people on here need to give their heads a wobble. She had to change her name and move location after being named on social media at the time of the original trial. And I think it has happened again. So anonymity - I don't think so!" She should be publicly named and shamed. He was! | |||
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" Evans lost his appeal in 2012 on the issue of consent which was what he was found guilty for in 2011.. the 2 witnesses were not part of that appeal, they were only found after the reward was put up and an investigator traced them.. her phone and its details would have been part of the initial trial, if the defence were any good so whatever was on it was either deemed not relevant or any other men were not contacted.. his defence had they not been allowed to use the 2 blokes evidence at the original trial would have done so at the appeal, but didn't and it was only when the new evidence was found after he lost the appeal that the case was referred to the CCRC.. So are you saying that you would prefer that this evidence was disallowed, and an innocent man sent to prison? " no.. I just find the way this has gone a bit suss if I'm honest.. no doubt there are rapists sat inside now thinking that if its good enough for Evans then I also know a couple of guys who will come forward.. the law was changed to try and move on from the ludicrous situations where she was wearing a short skirt so deserved it etc.. this allowing her previous sexual behaviours etc just seems all a bit like a step back.. | |||
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" Evans lost his appeal in 2012 on the issue of consent which was what he was found guilty for in 2011.. the 2 witnesses were not part of that appeal, they were only found after the reward was put up and an investigator traced them.. her phone and its details would have been part of the initial trial, if the defence were any good so whatever was on it was either deemed not relevant or any other men were not contacted.. his defence had they not been allowed to use the 2 blokes evidence at the original trial would have done so at the appeal, but didn't and it was only when the new evidence was found after he lost the appeal that the case was referred to the CCRC.. So are you saying that you would prefer that this evidence was disallowed, and an innocent man sent to prison? no.. I just find the way this has gone a bit suss if I'm honest.. no doubt there are rapists sat inside now thinking that if its good enough for Evans then I also know a couple of guys who will come forward.. the law was changed to try and move on from the ludicrous situations where she was wearing a short skirt so deserved it etc.. this allowing her previous sexual behaviours etc just seems all a bit like a step back.." You ate missing the point. The law allows such evidence to be presented if it is deemed relevant. Two independent witnesses who have both confirmed they have received no financial reward whatsoever, have presented evidence that calls into question what was presented to gain a conviction, which was corroborated by the alleged victim herself, including via her own mobile phone. Putting all that aside, I'll ask you a question about the original miscarriage of justice. Given the alleged victim never made an allegation of rape, merely saying she didn't remember, how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? How could he have been found guilty "beyond any reasonable doubt" in such circumstances? | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? " I thought the same *runs and hides* | |||
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" the law was changed to try and move on from the ludicrous situations where she was wearing a short skirt so deserved it etc.. this allowing her previous sexual behaviours etc just seems all a bit like a step back.." Hopefully we won't be going back to that. But hopefully we will be teaching our children that primarily, the person most responsible for their own safety is themselves. | |||
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" Evans lost his appeal in 2012 on the issue of consent which was what he was found guilty for in 2011.. the 2 witnesses were not part of that appeal, they were only found after the reward was put up and an investigator traced them.. her phone and its details would have been part of the initial trial, if the defence were any good so whatever was on it was either deemed not relevant or any other men were not contacted.. his defence had they not been allowed to use the 2 blokes evidence at the original trial would have done so at the appeal, but didn't and it was only when the new evidence was found after he lost the appeal that the case was referred to the CCRC.. So are you saying that you would prefer that this evidence was disallowed, and an innocent man sent to prison? no.. I just find the way this has gone a bit suss if I'm honest.. no doubt there are rapists sat inside now thinking that if its good enough for Evans then I also know a couple of guys who will come forward.. the law was changed to try and move on from the ludicrous situations where she was wearing a short skirt so deserved it etc.. this allowing her previous sexual behaviours etc just seems all a bit like a step back.. You ate missing the point. The law allows such evidence to be presented if it is deemed relevant. Two independent witnesses who have both confirmed they have received no financial reward whatsoever, have presented evidence that calls into question what was presented to gain a conviction, which was corroborated by the alleged victim herself, including via her own mobile phone. Putting all that aside, I'll ask you a question about the original miscarriage of justice. Given the alleged victim never made an allegation of rape, merely saying she didn't remember, how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? How could he have been found guilty "beyond any reasonable doubt" in such circumstances? " she went with one and the other turned up, the way the crown presented it to the jury was that she was d*unk but then the effects of the alcohol she had taken before she went into the hotel kicked in etc.. that's how I read it, being honest and having been a jury foreman on a rape case the initial trial would have been a difficult one for the jury to attend and the guidance by the judge would have played a part in what they reached with both men.. | |||
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" , how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? " That's easy, I can do that. I drink 10 double vodkas in quick succession. I am sober. I can consent to anything. At some point in the next few hours, as the alcohol works into my system, I will become too intoxicated to consent. The problem is, how do you know when I have reached that point? | |||
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" , how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? That's easy, I can do that. I drink 10 double vodkas in quick succession. I am sober. I can consent to anything. At some point in the next few hours, as the alcohol works into my system, I will become too intoxicated to consent. The problem is, how do you know when I have reached that point? " Consent can only be given at the point of intercourse in a legal situation where consent is in doubt,I can consent to have sex with someone then get hammered d*unk and my original yes then becomes not so clear,therefore if she is having sex with 2 guys the consent is either with both or none at that moment in time. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? Have you ever been fucked whilst you were d*unk?? Never. Have you fucked a d*unk woman?" If I didn't do that I'd never get laid at all! | |||
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" , how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? That's easy, I can do that. I drink 10 double vodkas in quick succession. I am sober. I can consent to anything. At some point in the next few hours, as the alcohol works into my system, I will become too intoxicated to consent. The problem is, how do you know when I have reached that point? " Blood test results suggested she wasn't at a point where memory loss/blackouts would be expected. You ate suggesting that d*unken consent can be acceptable depending on the level of d*unkenness and that the "consent" level can change during one single experience /event in which case the original consent isn't valid later in the evening and sex needs to be reconsented to. Only, the consent may have been fine the first time you asked but an hour later, despite her having no more to drink and still saying yes, that consent may no longer be valid???? Wouldn't that mean that the Macdonald consent was no longer valid as the alcohol had 'kicked in". Confusing??? Guilty beyond any reasonable doubt? | |||
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" Evans lost his appeal in 2012 on the issue of consent which was what he was found guilty for in 2011.. the 2 witnesses were not part of that appeal, they were only found after the reward was put up and an investigator traced them.. her phone and its details would have been part of the initial trial, if the defence were any good so whatever was on it was either deemed not relevant or any other men were not contacted.. his defence had they not been allowed to use the 2 blokes evidence at the original trial would have done so at the appeal, but didn't and it was only when the new evidence was found after he lost the appeal that the case was referred to the CCRC.. So are you saying that you would prefer that this evidence was disallowed, and an innocent man sent to prison? no.. I just find the way this has gone a bit suss if I'm honest.. no doubt there are rapists sat inside now thinking that if its good enough for Evans then I also know a couple of guys who will come forward.. the law was changed to try and move on from the ludicrous situations where she was wearing a short skirt so deserved it etc.. this allowing her previous sexual behaviours etc just seems all a bit like a step back.. You ate missing the point. The law allows such evidence to be presented if it is deemed relevant. Two independent witnesses who have both confirmed they have received no financial reward whatsoever, have presented evidence that calls into question what was presented to gain a conviction, which was corroborated by the alleged victim herself, including via her own mobile phone. Putting all that aside, I'll ask you a question about the original miscarriage of justice. Given the alleged victim never made an allegation of rape, merely saying she didn't remember, how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? How could he have been found guilty "beyond any reasonable doubt" in such circumstances? she went with one and the other turned up, the way the crown presented it to the jury was that she was d*unk but then the effects of the alcohol she had taken before she went into the hotel kicked in etc.. that's how I read it, being honest and having been a jury foreman on a rape case the initial trial would have been a difficult one for the jury to attend and the guidance by the judge would have played a part in what they reached with both men.." As I've posted elsewhere, if she consented but her condition worsened so that she was then too d*unk to consent by the time Evans arrived, then she was too d*unk to consent to Macdonald at the time of intercourse. | |||
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" , how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? That's easy, I can do that. I drink 10 double vodkas in quick succession. I am sober. I can consent to anything. At some point in the next few hours, as the alcohol works into my system, I will become too intoxicated to consent. The problem is, how do you know when I have reached that point? Blood test results suggested she wasn't at a point where memory loss/blackouts would be expected. You ate suggesting that d*unken consent can be acceptable depending on the level of d*unkenness and that the "consent" level can change during one single experience /event in which case the original consent isn't valid later in the evening and sex needs to be reconsented to. Only, the consent may have been fine the first time you asked but an hour later, despite her having no more to drink and still saying yes, that consent may no longer be valid???? Wouldn't that mean that the Macdonald consent was no longer valid as the alcohol had 'kicked in". Confusing??? Guilty beyond any reasonable doubt?" No. That's not what I was saying. I was only trying to explain the logic in the original trial. I am not convinced by the argument that consent was given at the same time. Could it not be said that she gave consent to McDonald when she agreed to go to a hotel room with him for sex? Isn't that what the original jury decided? That was significantly before Evans turned up. | |||
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" , how do you square up an original verdict that said she was both sober enough to consent to Macdonald but not sober enough to consent to Evans when we are talking about the exact same time? Doesn't that make you think "something isn't right here"? That's easy, I can do that. I drink 10 double vodkas in quick succession. I am sober. I can consent to anything. At some point in the next few hours, as the alcohol works into my system, I will become too intoxicated to consent. The problem is, how do you know when I have reached that point? Blood test results suggested she wasn't at a point where memory loss/blackouts would be expected. You ate suggesting that d*unken consent can be acceptable depending on the level of d*unkenness and that the "consent" level can change during one single experience /event in which case the original consent isn't valid later in the evening and sex needs to be reconsented to. Only, the consent may have been fine the first time you asked but an hour later, despite her having no more to drink and still saying yes, that consent may no longer be valid???? Wouldn't that mean that the Macdonald consent was no longer valid as the alcohol had 'kicked in". Confusing??? Guilty beyond any reasonable doubt? No. That's not what I was saying. I was only trying to explain the logic in the original trial. I am not convinced by the argument that consent was given at the same time. Could it not be said that she gave consent to McDonald when she agreed to go to a hotel room with him for sex? Isn't that what the original jury decided? That was significantly before Evans turned up. " You're right, that was what the original jury found, quite unbelievably to my mind and, for that matter, the three judges who quashed the conviction. As I suggested way up the page it was a clear miscarriage of justice that was over turned on the basis of evidence I've outlined, evidence which was then considered by the jury in a retrial and accepted. Whatever anyone's opinion, it was and absolutely is, crystal clear that it was impossible to find him guilty beyond any reasonable doubt | |||
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"The guy should of walked away from the situation way before sex started. If the girl in question was that intoxicated. There are and always will be men who take advantage of girls who have had to much alcohol. I personally cannot see the difference between taking advantage of someone who is d*unk or someone putting a drug in their drink. Any man who takes advantage of a vulnerable girl in my opinion is not a man." you are taking it at face value that she was "that intoxicated" only 3 people were there to know that and the lad wasfound not guilty which is all that matters in this particular instance. | |||
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"I did say "if"." apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards" I think it's the nature of it, not the fact it was a threesome. | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards I think it's the nature of it, not the fact it was a threesome. " still quite hypocritical of a lot of people on here to berate the person for having what he would have seen as a nsa encounter. | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards I think it's the nature of it, not the fact it was a threesome. still quite hypocritical of a lot of people on here to berate the person for having what he would have seen as a nsa encounter." Have you read the whole thread? He's been cleared, I now get why, but I personally still think he should have walked away. I've seen things in clubs I didn't agree with, we can still have our own moral compass whether others agree or not. | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards I think it's the nature of it, not the fact it was a threesome. still quite hypocritical of a lot of people on here to berate the person for having what he would have seen as a nsa encounter." If I met a girl from here and she was d*unk....I'd walk. | |||
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 are you even aware that it was a police decision to investigate and prosecute and she never actually accused him of rape at any time?
To be honest i think that was the worst decision they could have made ... I think they tried to make an example of him in the hope of making others think about d*unken consent but in the end no matter what happened in that room that night 2 lives have been ruined and there was justice for nobody | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards" SJW? | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards SJW?" | |||
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"The guy should of walked away from the situation way before sex started. If the girl in question was that intoxicated. There are and always will be men who take advantage of girls who have had to much alcohol. I personally cannot see the difference between taking advantage of someone who is d*unk or someone putting a drug in their drink. Any man who takes advantage of a vulnerable girl in my opinion is not a man."
Some people on this thread think it's ok though.  No doubt the sort of people that fuck d*unk people in clubs. | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards SJW? google" Social justice warriors I think. | |||
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"Resemble in what way? A disrespectful man that would happily fuck a d*unk woman? " Pmsl plenty of them on fab | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards SJW? google" You don't know what it means? | |||
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"I did say "if". apologies but there are so many SJW's on a sex site chastising a guy for having a 3way it seems quite hypocritical in a lot of regards SJW? google You don't know what it means? "I do indeed know what it means it is a term used more frequently to describe those who are frequently offended by innocuous things and have to find a platform to air their grievances while ignoring others points of view.(obviously there is more to it than that but I could write an essay on the rise of the SJW) | |||
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"The guy should of walked away from the situation way before sex started. If the girl in question was that intoxicated. There are and always will be men who take advantage of girls who have had to much alcohol. I personally cannot see the difference between taking advantage of someone who is d*unk or someone putting a drug in their drink. Any man who takes advantage of a vulnerable girl in my opinion is not a man.
Some people on this thread think it's ok though. No doubt the sort of people that fuck d*unk people in clubs. "Their comments reflect their personality more than their profiles ever could. | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer. We don't know what happened in that hotel but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her and his life has been ruined because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine. Funny enough she won't have to pay back the £70,000 compensation she got for FALSELY accusing a man of raid who has since lost £5 million in earnings. Some people on here need to give their heads a wobble. " Interesting..... You say "The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer." Then you say "We don't know what happened in that hotel....." etc Surely the second statement negates the first? "but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her" Really? Were you in the room? No, we don't. The first trial said he did, the second said he didn't. The only people who really know we're in the room. Everything else is speculation.. Last one; "because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine." You have a funny definition of "absolutely fine". She's forced to live abroad, under a new identity, will struggle to see her family ever again. Is constantly outed by his supporters, who are themselves breaking court issued non harassment orders. Two people made decions they now regret, and have had their lives and careers ruined. There are no winners here.... | |||
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"There is some holier than thou bullshit on this thread. "Try being a responsible adult, don't drink ten pints, stay sober, don't have sex d*unk" just some if the comments. Haha, what a pile of shite from these people, they've either had THE most boring life ever or are full of it. The fact is people go out, get d*unk, have sex that they can hardly remember and wake up next to people they can't even remember talking to the night before. EVERY WEEKEND!!! Do they sit down before copulating and say "right I give consent, do you?". What a lot of guff those that have preached sobriety, verbal consent gaining and "responsibility". GUARANTEED they have done exactly the same thing they have preached about in the past. The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer. We don't know what happened in that hotel but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her and his life has been ruined because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine. Funny enough she won't have to pay back the £70,000 compensation she got for FALSELY accusing a man of raid who has since lost £5 million in earnings. Some people on here need to give their heads a wobble. Interesting..... You say "The fact is a guy did 30 months in jail for having d*unken sex with some d up girl who thought she'd hit the big time banging a footballer." Then you say "We don't know what happened in that hotel....." etc Surely the second statement negates the first? "but one thing we DO KNOW is that he did not rape her" Really? Were you in the room? No, we don't. The first trial said he did, the second said he didn't. The only people who really know we're in the room. Everything else is speculation.. Last one; "because of it while her right to anonymity ensures she is absolutely fine." You have a funny definition of "absolutely fine". She's forced to live abroad, under a new identity, will struggle to see her family ever again. Is constantly outed by his supporters, who are themselves breaking court issued non harassment orders. Two people made decions they now regret, and have had their lives and careers ruined. There are no winners here.... " | |||
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"The guy should of walked away from the situation way before sex started. If the girl in question was that intoxicated. There are and always will be men who take advantage of girls who have had to much alcohol. I personally cannot see the difference between taking advantage of someone who is d*unk or someone putting a drug in their drink. Any man who takes advantage of a vulnerable girl in my opinion is not a man.
Some people on this thread think it's ok though. No doubt the sort of people that fuck d*unk people in clubs. "Look at clubs , and watch as the night goes on . Wallflowers come to life as the drink kicks in and the rooms fill up as the beer goggles go on and the women become more confident , thanks to the demon drink . And those who drink , do so because they want to . No one is forcing them to , it's their choice . Hardly the same as putting a drug into someone's drink is it ? Now we don't drink , although my wife may have the odd one now and again , I've been off the booze for almost twenty years . But when we visited clubs , over half the people on any given night used drink as an aid to letting their hair down . And yes , some went too far and got pissed , still played and maybe regretted it the next morning . But they didn't cry rape ! Adults must take some responsibility for their actions and getting pissed is one of those actions . Week in week out there are hundreds of thousands of pissed up shags in every town and city . The participants know the score , and get on with their lives . Fully aware they made the choice to do what they do . The moral high ground shown on here is sometimes staggering to see . If you go to a swinging club , get pissed , engage in sex in the said club , its par for the course . Simple . If every guy who fucked a woman in a swinging club when she had one too many was prosecuted for rape there would be no room in prison for anyone else . It's about time people got real and understood that the vast majority of women who drink to lose their inhibitions , do so because they want to ! And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ? | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? Not really, most people on here are playing with consent Where in that comment did it mention not having consent? It didn't. Hence my response. " I meant with their other half knowing | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? Not really, most people on here are playing with consent Where in that comment did it mention not having consent? It didn't. Hence my response. I meant with their other half knowing" You're assuming she didn't know what he does and didn't approve. | |||
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"The guy should of walked away from the situation way before sex started. If the girl in question was that intoxicated. There are and always will be men who take advantage of girls who have had to much alcohol. I personally cannot see the difference between taking advantage of someone who is d*unk or someone putting a drug in their drink. Any man who takes advantage of a vulnerable girl in my opinion is not a man.
Some people on this thread think it's ok though. No doubt the sort of people that fuck d*unk people in clubs. "I didn't read anyone saying it was OK, more the fact there must be lots of people who have had sex while d*unk. | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? Not really, most people on here are playing with consent Where in that comment did it mention not having consent? It didn't. Hence my response. I meant with their other half knowing You're assuming she didn't know what he does and didn't approve." I didn't to be honest, I was answering a comment that I probably didn't answer very well and now am lost and don't even know what it was I was meant to say ( no drink involved honest )
At the time of the trial when people were questioning why she was standing by him, I did say then maybe they had an open relationship or were swingers, who knows. | |||
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"his wife/girlfriend ..must be class,he can fuck a d*unk girl with his mate and she forgives...what a girl...class That's a strange criticism of someone given this is a swingers forum? Not really, most people on here are playing with consent Where in that comment did it mention not having consent? It didn't. Hence my response. I meant with their other half knowing You're assuming she didn't know what he does and didn't approve. I didn't to be honest, I was answering a comment that I probably didn't answer very well and now am lost and don't even know what it was I was meant to say ( no drink involved honest )
At the time of the trial when people were questioning why she was standing by him, I did say then maybe they had an open relationship or were swingers, who knows."Ha ha. Understand totally | |||
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"The guy should of walked away from the situation way before sex started. If the girl in question was that intoxicated. There are and always will be men who take advantage of girls who have had to much alcohol. I personally cannot see the difference between taking advantage of someone who is d*unk or someone putting a drug in their drink. Any man who takes advantage of a vulnerable girl in my opinion is not a man.
Some people on this thread think it's ok though. No doubt the sort of people that fuck d*unk people in clubs.
Look at clubs , and watch as the night goes on . Wallflowers come to life as the drink kicks in and the rooms fill up as the beer goggles go on and the women become more confident , thanks to the demon drink .
And those who drink , do so because they want to . No one is forcing them to , it's their choice . Hardly the same as putting a drug into someone's drink is it ?
Now we don't drink , although my wife may have the odd one now and again , I've been off the booze for almost twenty years . But when we visited clubs , over half the people on any given night used drink as an aid to letting their hair down . And yes , some went too far and got pissed , still played and maybe regretted it the next morning . But they didn't cry rape !
Adults must take some responsibility for their actions and getting pissed is one of those actions . Week in week out there are hundreds of thousands of pissed up shags in every town and city . The participants know the score , and get on with their lives . Fully aware they made the choice to do what they do .
The moral high ground shown on here is sometimes staggering to see . If you go to a swinging club , get pissed , engage in sex in the said club , its par for the course . Simple .
If every guy who fucked a woman in a swinging club when she had one too many was prosecuted for rape there would be no room in prison for anyone else .
It's about time people got real and understood that the vast majority of women who drink to lose their inhibitions , do so because they want to !
And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ?"I don't mean tipsy to lose inhibitions, I mean d*unk so they don't know what they are doing. I absolutely agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If they get so pissed or d*unk that they don't know what they are doing they have to take responsibility for themselves and not just blame others. | |||
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"It's such a miscarriage of justice. He didn't talk to her before, during, or after, he admitted that - and he and another filmed her from outside without her knowledge, and he knew she was being plied with alcohol, and that the evidence that had him acquitted was the evidence from two other men who would just as guilty of raping the same woman - Jesus fucking Christ. There's being mutually d*unk in a club, and then there's deliberately intoxicating someone to make exploiting them and taping them easier. The police recognised this as a crime that needed investigating. She didn't accuse anyone of rape, but she's had to change her name, live abroad, and deal with death threats." I guess from your post you don't actually know any detail of this case do you? Have a read of this link. It'll help you understand what it was about. http://annaraccoon.com/2016/10/15/on-yer-ched-evans/ | |||
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"Some have commented on my "name and shame" comment, and I stand by what I said. This girl received £70 grand from compensation bureau and an "undisclosed" sun from the football club to NOT sell her story before or after the trial which is thought to have been around £250,000. This offer was made very early on, according to some, a few days after the story broke, to save the club even more bad press. She has made roughly £320, 000 if the "undisclosed sum" is correct. The fact that EVERY local and big national barristers office would have been clambering to get her as a client to "care for her interests" was not highlighted in the case. However it is a fact that when high profile cases such as this come along, barristers and solicitors begin to "negotiate" financial deals for their client (which they take a cut of). So, they send agents to her door, fancy car comes to pick her up and she sits in the barristers office, and he says "if you do exactly as I say I can make you (forgets to say "us") very rich. Right and wrong is soon forgotten about in the name of the right price. She could have said to the police, look I don't want to go forward into this trial because I'm not really sure I can honestly say my actions were entirely that of a victim of rape, and saved a man 30 months in jail for a crime he did not commit. BUT...... Early on those clever barristers lured her with promises of BIG money, a lavish lifestyle and "you deserve this" kind of talk and for a girl of her previous financial status, well, its like winning the lottery. 2 days after the "rape" she was out on the town again and went back to another random guys house and had d*unken sex with him, also 6 days before the "rape" she did the same thing. (Facts brought out in the re-trial). 2DAYS AFTER? And this girl was raped? I know a girl who was raped, she still suffers today with the long lasting affects of that heinous crime. It was not from going out pulling a footballer and drinking too much, snorting narcotics and engaging in illicit behaviour of her own free will. The man that committed that crime walked free, due to "not enough evidence" and this is not a secular case only 6% of rape cases end in conviction. I think rape is an abhorrent thing to do to somebody, however, had ALL the facts been allowed in the original trial we would not have seen a man go to jail for something he did NOT do, and ultimately it has destroyed his life. This girl did the SAME THING 2 days after being "raped"?. She now sits on a fortune living abroad in the sun, apparently having to move abroad, due to harassment. I suspect her life, sipping magheritas by the pool is a very tough existence. Meanwhile a man went to jail for 30 MONTHS! Will have to rebuild his career and suffer lifelong "I think he did it" stigma after being cleared of rape. He lost millions in earnings and it is unlikely any club will touch him now. Who is worse of I wonder? A girl who did NOT get raped, has a right to anonymity and is living in a year round sunny climate on £320, 000, living a lifestyle she couldn't possibly have earned otherwise or a man who spent 30 months in jail for a crime he did NOT commit who's future now is to say the least, bleak having his potential blackened? Had she have not co-operated so willingly (under instruction from her "legal-team") he would not have been found guilty. BUT, she wanted the promised "big money" if she went along with it, and that will be on her karma, because I seriously doubt for one second it plays on her conscious. My background is in high level security. I have encountered 2 similar incidents in the past that have led to being interviewed by police to give evidence. I will for obvious reasons not discuss names, or specific details. One was bang to rights and the man was guilty, his management company did however persuade the victim to drop the charges with a rather large financial compensation for her ordeal, which she did as she was told that it would be easier for all involved that way. Aka more money was to be made by not taking the incident through the courts and paying her a "life changing sum" for her, which was small change compared to the money to be made if the culprit was not "publicly damaged". I didnot see the incident but was told about it by another operative who made clear the girl was "not co-operative sexually". The CPS dropped the case as she said (as instructed I imagine) she "consented but had made the allegations so she could get some attention". She got a slap on wrist (and a huge cheque), he carried in making the company and himself vast sums of money. Incident 2 similar circumstances, high profile person, met a female, back to hotel. I was present drove them back to hotel, she was responsive, alert, willing. In the hotel room they go, I am in the corridor. She comes out, happy as a pig in shit, slept with a "star", she gets a taxi outside, walking perfectly well. Next morning police arrive. We (client and myself) go to station. He is questioned and bailed for rape. We go into emergence measures and a private investigator is called. Girl is traced, seen going to a solicitors office that afternoon. Clients management company receives a phone call that afternoon "this can all go away for £120 000"? A meeting is again called, client refuses to allow company to pay it, despite their attempts to convince him they will just pay. I am asked about what happened and the barrister for client asks if I will provide a statement. Even better.... I had a covert button hole camera (standard kit for high priority jobs). We go to the police station. They confront her. This is the basics from her. A local journalist captures her leaving hotel on his camera apparently. She had a boyfriend, worried he would find out if she made it to a celebrity magazine picture (journalists will always try to sleaze up a story). She told a friend about it, friend suggests she say he raped her and can make some money. CHING CHING..... Rings a solicitors, he makes it a priority to get her down within the hour. Goes with her to police station that morning. Then again that afternoon after she is interviewed. Police come to hotel, arrest an innocent man. If I was not wearing covert body camera as is always the case for such jobs he would most likely have either been forced to have his management company pay a huge sum for something he did not do, or as is likely as he would not have had that, been subject to a trial where he could have gone to jail. Her? Well she got a slap on the wrist for wasting police time (familiar story), whilst his life could have been destroyed, claiming he had raped a girl who was "so d*unk she couldn't give consent" but still able to joke with me on the way out, walk to lift and be seen walking perfectly in 6 inch heels out of the hotel on CCTV chatting (bragging?) on her phone. So forgive my cynicism and lack of empathy for this "poor girl" in the Ched Evans situation. If there is large sums if money involved people will lie, go along with bullshit, be duplicitous, and do whatever it takes to get to those ££££££s. " You are quite literally a despicable human being ... 2 peoples lives were ruined by this case ... That girl has had death threats and might be living in a beach somewhere as you seem to think but will likely be very dificult to both remain annonymous and ever see her family again, her name an reputation have also been trashed and her sexual history dragged through the courts and sexual media and even though she may have been raped ( neither me or you were in that room) she never actually accused him at any point Ched's life has also been irreversibly changed , career gone, years of his life behind bars , and will always be regarded with a sense of doubt of this Just like you cant tar all footballers with the same brush and name them all rapists who lord their celeb tatus as power of girls and buy them off with money after ... You also cant assume that every girl who was raped by someone with money or power lied to make a quick buck Very quick to judge that woman who may still be a victim ( one guilty one non guilty verdict - you dont know unless you were in that room) | |||
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" And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ? I don't mean tipsy to lose inhibitions, I mean d*unk so they don't know what they are doing. I absolutely agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If they get so pissed or d*unk that they don't know what they are doing they have to take responsibility for themselves and not just blame others. "I'm sorry - but if I get utterly wankered and some guy puts his penis inside me without my enthusiastic and sober consent, then it's rape. Pure and simple. Sex and drink should be treated like driving and drink. If you wouldn't drive a car, don't fuck. | |||
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"Some have commented on my "name and shame" comment, and I stand by what I said. This girl received £70 grand from compensation bureau and an "undisclosed" sun from the football club to NOT sell her story before or after the trial which is thought to have been around £250,000. This offer was made very early on, according to some, a few days after the story broke, to save the club even more bad press. She has made roughly £320, 000 if the "undisclosed sum" is correct. The fact that EVERY local and big national barristers office would have been clambering to get her as a client to "care for her interests" was not highlighted in the case. However it is a fact that when high profile cases such as this come along, barristers and solicitors begin to "negotiate" financial deals for their client (which they take a cut of). So, they send agents to her door, fancy car comes to pick her up and she sits in the barristers office, and he says "if you do exactly as I say I can make you (forgets to say "us") very rich. Right and wrong is soon forgotten about in the name of the right price. She could have said to the police, look I don't want to go forward into this trial because I'm not really sure I can honestly say my actions were entirely that of a victim of rape, and saved a man 30 months in jail for a crime he did not commit. BUT...... Early on those clever barristers lured her with promises of BIG money, a lavish lifestyle and "you deserve this" kind of talk and for a girl of her previous financial status, well, its like winning the lottery. 2 days after the "rape" she was out on the town again and went back to another random guys house and had d*unken sex with him, also 6 days before the "rape" she did the same thing. (Facts brought out in the re-trial). 2DAYS AFTER? And this girl was raped? I know a girl who was raped, she still suffers today with the long lasting affects of that heinous crime. It was not from going out pulling a footballer and drinking too much, snorting narcotics and engaging in illicit behaviour of her own free will. The man that committed that crime walked free, due to "not enough evidence" and this is not a secular case only 6% of rape cases end in conviction. I think rape is an abhorrent thing to do to somebody, however, had ALL the facts been allowed in the original trial we would not have seen a man go to jail for something he did NOT do, and ultimately it has destroyed his life. This girl did the SAME THING 2 days after being "raped"?. She now sits on a fortune living abroad in the sun, apparently having to move abroad, due to harassment. I suspect her life, sipping magheritas by the pool is a very tough existence. Meanwhile a man went to jail for 30 MONTHS! Will have to rebuild his career and suffer lifelong "I think he did it" stigma after being cleared of rape. He lost millions in earnings and it is unlikely any club will touch him now. Who is worse of I wonder? A girl who did NOT get raped, has a right to anonymity and is living in a year round sunny climate on £320, 000, living a lifestyle she couldn't possibly have earned otherwise or a man who spent 30 months in jail for a crime he did NOT commit who's future now is to say the least, bleak having his potential blackened? Had she have not co-operated so willingly (under instruction from her "legal-team") he would not have been found guilty. BUT, she wanted the promised "big money" if she went along with it, and that will be on her karma, because I seriously doubt for one second it plays on her conscious. My background is in high level security. I have encountered 2 similar incidents in the past that have led to being interviewed by police to give evidence. I will for obvious reasons not discuss names, or specific details. One was bang to rights and the man was guilty, his management company did however persuade the victim to drop the charges with a rather large financial compensation for her ordeal, which she did as she was told that it would be easier for all involved that way. Aka more money was to be made by not taking the incident through the courts and paying her a "life changing sum" for her, which was small change compared to the money to be made if the culprit was not "publicly damaged". I didnot see the incident but was told about it by another operative who made clear the girl was "not co-operative sexually". The CPS dropped the case as she said (as instructed I imagine) she "consented but had made the allegations so she could get some attention". She got a slap on wrist (and a huge cheque), he carried in making the company and himself vast sums of money. Incident 2 similar circumstances, high profile person, met a female, back to hotel. I was present drove them back to hotel, she was responsive, alert, willing. In the hotel room they go, I am in the corridor. She comes out, happy as a pig in shit, slept with a "star", she gets a taxi outside, walking perfectly well. Next morning police arrive. We (client and myself) go to station. He is questioned and bailed for rape. We go into emergence measures and a private investigator is called. Girl is traced, seen going to a solicitors office that afternoon. Clients management company receives a phone call that afternoon "this can all go away for £120 000"? A meeting is again called, client refuses to allow company to pay it, despite their attempts to convince him they will just pay. I am asked about what happened and the barrister for client asks if I will provide a statement. Even better.... I had a covert button hole camera (standard kit for high priority jobs). We go to the police station. They confront her. This is the basics from her. A local journalist captures her leaving hotel on his camera apparently. She had a boyfriend, worried he would find out if she made it to a celebrity magazine picture (journalists will always try to sleaze up a story). She told a friend about it, friend suggests she say he raped her and can make some money. CHING CHING..... Rings a solicitors, he makes it a priority to get her down within the hour. Goes with her to police station that morning. Then again that afternoon after she is interviewed. Police come to hotel, arrest an innocent man. If I was not wearing covert body camera as is always the case for such jobs he would most likely have either been forced to have his management company pay a huge sum for something he did not do, or as is likely as he would not have had that, been subject to a trial where he could have gone to jail. Her? Well she got a slap on the wrist for wasting police time (familiar story), whilst his life could have been destroyed, claiming he had raped a girl who was "so d*unk she couldn't give consent" but still able to joke with me on the way out, walk to lift and be seen walking perfectly in 6 inch heels out of the hotel on CCTV chatting (bragging?) on her phone. So forgive my cynicism and lack of empathy for this "poor girl" in the Ched Evans situation. If there is large sums if money involved people will lie, go along with bullshit, be duplicitous, and do whatever it takes to get to those ££££££s. You are quite literally a despicable human being ... 2 peoples lives were ruined by this case ... That girl has had death threats and might be living in a beach somewhere as you seem to think but will likely be very dificult to both remain annonymous and ever see her family again, her name an reputation have also been trashed and her sexual history dragged through the courts and sexual media and even though she may have been raped ( neither me or you were in that room) she never actually accused him at any point Ched's life has also been irreversibly changed , career gone, years of his life behind bars , and will always be regarded with a sense of doubt of this Just like you cant tar all footballers with the same brush and name them all rapists who lord their celeb tatus as power of girls and buy them off with money after ... You also cant assume that every girl who was raped by someone with money or power lied to make a quick buck Very quick to judge that woman who may still be a victim ( one guilty one non guilty verdict - you dont know unless you were in that room) " I don't think I said "every girl who was raped by somebody with money or power lied to make a quick buck" that is an assumption on your part. I'm also not "quick" to judge having followed the story from the beginning. Also whilst this girl did not accuse him of rape, she went along with the allegations, and has made a "quick buck" £320,000 apparently. However you were right about ONE THING, I am a "despicable human being". The great thing about life is opinions vary, I just don't resort to calling people names because of theirs, it shows a lack of social awareness and critical thinking. You should never do jury service I recommend. | |||
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" And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ? I don't mean tipsy to lose inhibitions, I mean d*unk so they don't know what they are doing. I absolutely agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If they get so pissed or d*unk that they don't know what they are doing they have to take responsibility for themselves and not just blame others.
I'm sorry - but if I get utterly wankered and some guy puts his penis inside me without my enthusiastic and sober consent, then it's rape. Pure and simple.
Sex and drink should be treated like driving and drink. If you wouldn't drive a car, don't fuck."So if you are in a swinging club and you get wankered , and some guy puts his penis inside you , it's rape ? You can't give sober consent since you are pissed , but you are in a club and by the nature of the environment and the way you may be behaving , you end up in a room with a guy or two . Are these guys seriously supposed to say no ? Even if you are coming on to them ? I think not . What's more , as I said before there would be tens of thousands of 'rapes' committed every Saturday night if that was the case . Thankfully the vast majority of women are fully aware of their actions and indeed , it's why they get pissed in the first place . It's not just guys who wear beer goggles . The day we have the police and cps prosecuting every guy who has sex with a d*unk woman and call it rape will be a sad day indeed . If women only want sex when they are able to consent when sober , they shouldn't get pissed and go to a hotel room or a swinging club should they ? | |||
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" I don't think I said "every girl who was raped by somebody with money or power lied to make a quick buck" that is an assumption on your part. I'm also not "quick" to judge having followed the story from the beginning. Also whilst this girl did not accuse him of rape, she went along with the allegations, and has made a "quick buck" £320,000 apparently. However you were right about ONE THING, I am a "despicable human being". The great thing about life is opinions vary, I just don't resort to calling people names because of theirs, it shows a lack of social awareness and critical thinking. You should never do jury service I recommend " Oh my mistake you followed it in the media so really you were as good as in the room and can undisputedly say that rape did or did not happen on this occasion and you dont make these assumptions about all women ... Just the ones who happen to be promiscuous and who were offered money by a club that would have tried to shut her up for their reputation wether it happened or not ... And if you care to read my posts on this and the other thread you will see i have repeatedly said that you only know the facts if you were in that room and havent condemned either party actually i think the CPS were at fault here for allowing this to get to court whereas you appear to have pre judged this girl on what you have read and your experience of an entirely different women ... Of those 2 options i know which would be preferrable to me on a jury!! Also i guess with the high level of mistrust you have for women who enjoy sex you must have alot of copies of written signed consent forms from play partners ... Just incase we get up in the morning and falsely accuse you of rape you know | |||
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" I don't think I said "every girl who was raped by somebody with money or power lied to make a quick buck" that is an assumption on your part. I'm also not "quick" to judge having followed the story from the beginning. Also whilst this girl did not accuse him of rape, she went along with the allegations, and has made a "quick buck" £320,000 apparently. However you were right about ONE THING, I am a "despicable human being". The great thing about life is opinions vary, I just don't resort to calling people names because of theirs, it shows a lack of social awareness and critical thinking. You should never do jury service I recommend Oh my mistake you followed it in the media so really you were as good as in the room and can undisputedly say that rape did or did not happen on this occasion and you dont make these assumptions about all women ... Just the ones who happen to be promiscuous and who were offered money by a club that would have tried to shut her up for their reputation wether it happened or not ... And if you care to read my posts on this and the other thread you will see i have repeatedly said that you only know the facts if you were in that room and havent condemned either party actually i think the CPS were at fault here for allowing this to get to court whereas you appear to have pre judged this girl on what you have read and your experience of an entirely different women ... Of those 2 options i know which would be preferrable to me on a jury!! Also i guess with the high level of mistrust you have for women who enjoy sex you must have alot of copies of written signed consent forms from play partners ... Just incase we get up in the morning and falsely accuse you of rape you know "No my partner is always present so I have a witness. She very much likes sex and I do mistrust her, so you MUST be right about me obviously (clearly a very astute lady or perhaps "quick to judge"?) as she often has chocolate etc at work and swears she doesn't, supposed to be dieting too. So when meeting other women who enjoy sex who I clearly (unbeknown to me but thank you for knowing me more than I do based on your limited expertise of 4 fab swingers posts) have mistrust for, there are no consent forms needed, just adults enjoying consensual sex with others. Sometimes we even do it under the influence of alcohol And yes, following the story in the media, cross referencing differing sources, being analytical and using common sense. Something "some" lack because of their highly strung, overly emotive responses to social differences of opinion. Now please excuse me if I "forget" to reply to any more of your posts, I have better things to do than argue with you over your differing opinion, (I have mushrooms to peel you see), and would hate to seem rude or despicable. | |||
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" And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ? I don't mean tipsy to lose inhibitions, I mean d*unk so they don't know what they are doing. I absolutely agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If they get so pissed or d*unk that they don't know what they are doing they have to take responsibility for themselves and not just blame others.
I'm sorry - but if I get utterly wankered and some guy puts his penis inside me without my enthusiastic and sober consent, then it's rape. Pure and simple.
Sex and drink should be treated like driving and drink. If you wouldn't drive a car, don't fuck."According to you,for over 30 years I've been raping Mrs saucy. We've often had sex whilst she was well over the drink driving limit, and we've never had the yes,no conversation beforehand. Either that,or your talking utter nonsense. I'm hoping it's the latter. | |||
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" And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ? I don't mean tipsy to lose inhibitions, I mean d*unk so they don't know what they are doing. I absolutely agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If they get so pissed or d*unk that they don't know what they are doing they have to take responsibility for themselves and not just blame others.
I'm sorry - but if I get utterly wankered and some guy puts his penis inside me without my enthusiastic and sober consent, then it's rape. Pure and simple.
Sex and drink should be treated like driving and drink. If you wouldn't drive a car, don't fuck.
According to you,for over 30 years I've been raping
Mrs saucy.
We've often had sex whilst she was well over the drink driving limit,
and we've never had the yes,no conversation beforehand.
Either that,or your talking utter nonsense.
I'm hoping it's the latter.
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" And if women go to a club , or to a hotel room for sex and don't want to wake up the next morning wondering what they've done with who , they shouldn't get so pissed or drugged up in the first place . Simple really , and definitely not rocket science is it ? I don't mean tipsy to lose inhibitions, I mean d*unk so they don't know what they are doing. I absolutely agree that people should take responsibility for their own actions. If they get so pissed or d*unk that they don't know what they are doing they have to take responsibility for themselves and not just blame others.
I'm sorry - but if I get utterly wankered and some guy puts his penis inside me without my enthusiastic and sober consent, then it's rape. Pure and simple.
Sex and drink should be treated like driving and drink. If you wouldn't drive a car, don't fuck.
So if you are in a swinging club and you get wankered , and some guy puts his penis inside you , it's rape ?
You were just told that this person does not concent to having sex while they are wankered, yet you're arguing with her, while she is sober, that it's ok to have sex with her. She's sober and you have no concent. You still have no concent when/if they get d*unk, they made that clear.
You can't give sober consent since you are pissed , but you are in a club and by the nature of the environment and the way you may be behaving , you end up in a room with a guy or two .
Are these guys seriously supposed to say no ?
Even if you are coming on to them ?
YES, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF RAPE AND YOUR OPINION IS IRRELEVENT BECAUSE THE LAW IS CLEAR. There are SO many people on here leading sexualy promiscuous lifestyles and can't be bothered to brush up their knowledge of rape and the fucking law? Deplorable.
I think not .
What's more , as I said before there would be tens of thousands of 'rapes' committed every Saturday night if that was the case .
THERE ARE. And most of them go unreported, and of those reported the majority never leave trial, and of those that go to trial aroynd 58% get a prosecution (compared to mid 80% for other serious crime), and of those huge amounts are aquitted. Our rape prosecution statistics are a joke compared to other countries.
Thankfully the vast majority of women are fully aware of their actions and indeed , it's why they get pissed in the first place
No it isn't. I get d*unk because I want to be d*unk. The group of women I'm with are the same mindset. Don't even.
. It's not just guys who wear beer goggles .
It's mainly guys who spike drinks with alcohol and drugs though, but skim that, right?
The day we have the police and cps prosecuting every guy who has sex with a d*unk woman and call it rape will be a sad day indeed .
The day rape is taken seriously and the day barely concious women are no longer the victims of rape will be when hell freezes over.
If women only want sex when they are able to consent when sober , they shouldn't get pissed and go to a hotel room or a swinging club should they ?"This is the most rapist thing on here. Hey women? Don't want to be raped? Don't EVER be d*unk around men. Because men rape, and it's your fault if you got raped while d*unk. I know guys who have spiked drinks and raped. They did it in town. At his place. Her place. I've had friends spiked and ditched and blamed for their premeditated rape, and they woke up in a bed of blood and were fucking BLAMED for it all. Shouldn't have gone to Cardiff on the piss, your fault. Sick as fuck. | |||
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" If women only want sex when they are able to consent when sober , they shouldn't get pissed and go to a hotel room or a swinging club should they ?" They may be with their partner, not alone. And should be able to trust men not to take advantage regardless, unless we really are going to back to cavemen times? There's an article about sexual consent today that advocates footballers being taught about it. Brighton and Hove already do this. Brook Charity have a quote which encapsulates it:- if my sex education has taught that consent is a sober, continuous, verbal and enthusiastic Yes rather than the absence of a No, I might not have had to assure my friend that she didn't cheat on her boyfriend - another man raped her. If any good has come of this case, it's brought the issue of consent to the fore. | |||
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" If women only want sex when they are able to consent when sober , they shouldn't get pissed and go to a hotel room or a swinging club should they ? They may be with their partner, not alone. And should be able to trust men not to take advantage regardless, unless we really are going to back to cavemen times? There's an article about sexual consent today that advocates footballers being taught about it. Brighton and Hove already do this. Brook Charity have a quote which encapsulates it:- if my sex education has taught that consent is a sober, continuous, verbal and enthusiastic Yes rather than the absence of a No, I might not have had to assure my friend that she didn't cheat on her boyfriend - another man raped her. If any good has come of this case, it's brought the issue of consent to the fore. " Is there a link for the footballer sex ed story? Don't know if I'm shocked disgusted or just 'ffs' about that. Just: | |||
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"I should imagine the first thing to go through the police and CPS's minds would be Rohipnol. It does look rather premeditated. "What's alarming is the number of people posting with absolutely certainty about this case who have clearly no understanding of what happened even despite links being posted in this thread that may enlighten them. | |||
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" If women only want sex when they are able to consent when sober , they shouldn't get pissed and go to a hotel room or a swinging club should they ? They may be with their partner, not alone. And should be able to trust men not to take advantage regardless, unless we really are going to back to cavemen times? There's an article about sexual consent today that advocates footballers being taught about it. Brighton and Hove already do this. Brook Charity have a quote which encapsulates it:- if my sex education has taught that consent is a sober, continuous, verbal and enthusiastic Yes rather than the absence of a No, I might not have had to assure my friend that she didn't cheat on her boyfriend - another man raped her. If any good has come of this case, it's brought the issue of consent to the fore. Is there a link for the footballer sex ed story? Don't know if I'm shocked disgusted or just 'ffs' about that. Just: "Hope it's ok to post Mods, if not can you remove it? The link is- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37642436 | |||
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" If women only want sex when they are able to consent when sober , they shouldn't get pissed and go to a hotel room or a swinging club should they ? They may be with their partner, not alone. And should be able to trust men not to take advantage regardless, unless we really are going to back to cavemen times? There's an article about sexual consent today that advocates footballers being taught about it. Brighton and Hove already do this. Brook Charity have a quote which encapsulates it:- if my sex education has taught that consent is a sober, continuous, verbal and enthusiastic Yes rather than the absence of a No, I might not have had to assure my friend that she didn't cheat on her boyfriend - another man raped her. If any good has come of this case, it's brought the issue of consent to the fore. Is there a link for the footballer sex ed story? Don't know if I'm shocked disgusted or just 'ffs' about that. Just:
Hope it's ok to post Mods, if not can you remove it? The link is-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37642436"BBC news links are ok. Thank you. "A spokeswoman from Brook, the young people's sexual health and well-being charity, said: "We believe that every young person should have these lessons at school and from a young age. She quoted one of the young people that works with the charity, who said: "If my sex education had taught that consent is a sober, continuous, verbal, and enthusiastic Yes rather than just the absence of a No, I might not have had to assure my friend that she didn't cheat on her boyfriend - another man raped her." " I don't know what they teach in sex ed these days. They taught sod all when I was at school but porn was very different and not as accessible back then. These days it's a different world and people clearly DO need to be taught about consent. Men and women. Boys and girls. | |||
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