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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My neighbour leaves his dog out in his garden for hours crying even in the pouring rain.

Is this animal cruelty?

I'm pondering whether to contact RSPCA.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does it have an outside kennel?

If not call RSPCA

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By *ubmandub1Man
over a year ago

city

Some dogs just cry when separated from owner He may not be neglecting the dog. Better to chat to neighbour first

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Does it have an outside kennel?

If not call RSPCA"

Oh I don't know that but surely the lack of contact is cruel?

He cries for hours and hours.

It's heartbreaking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Possibly.

It's definitely neighbour cruelty having to listen the whining all day long so I'd have to say something to them as a first point of call then see what happens next

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Some dogs just cry when separated from owner He may not be neglecting the dog. Better to chat to neighbour first"

I would if he'd answer his door.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

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By *ubmandub1Man
over a year ago

city

"Possibly.

It's definitely neighbour cruelty having to listen the whining all day long so I'd have to say something to them as a first point of call then see what happens next

Some people give out when a dog barks at anytime

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?"

Um.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Possibly.

It's definitely neighbour cruelty having to listen the whining all day long so I'd have to say something to them as a first point of call then see what happens next

Some people give out when a dog barks at anytime "

I'm not giving out.

I'm concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you get on with your neighbour? If so, then it will be easier to make a direct approach and maybe say "I don't want to appear nosey or anything, but....."

If you don't get on though, it does make things trickier, because even if you make an anonymous report, chances are the neighbour will work out it's you.

Hope the situation is resolved amicably OP!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Do you get on with your neighbour? If so, then it will be easier to make a direct approach and maybe say "I don't want to appear nosey or anything, but....."

If you don't get on though, it does make things trickier, because even if you make an anonymous report, chances are the neighbour will work out it's you.

Hope the situation is resolved amicably OP!

He's not the approachable type and never answers his door.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Possibly.

It's definitely neighbour cruelty having to listen the whining all day long so I'd have to say something to them as a first point of call then see what happens next

Some people give out when a dog barks at anytime

I'm not giving out.

I'm concerned. "

That is animal cruelty and I would love if you would report him. I have a German Shepherd and a pug who are indoor dogs.. I work from home in the morning rather than leave them on their own.. They need their pack so that situation is neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bring the dog in yours to keep warm and when the neighbour gets home and wonders where the dog is. Tell him you are keeping the dog at yours and phone up the RSPCA then tell him to go stand in the rain.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I'm concerned. "

Dogs, like many animals, can live outdoors. Its distress is more likely to be a combination of boredom and separation anxiety. Sadly there are no laws against being a shit dog-owner, just a cruel one

Environmental Health will get better results than the RSPCA.

Mr ddc

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By *GHertsCouple
over a year ago

North Herts

In your shoes, I'd definitely contact the RSPCA for advice - I can't abide animal cruelty and/or neglect. I must admit that if he's not the approachable type I might be a little worried about potential repercussions (if he's *that* sort of unapproachable) but on the other hand the cries of a whining dog can carry quite far and chances are other people in the vicinity will have also heard him so could just as easily have reported.

Hope they take it seriously if you do report ... god knows why some people get pets when this is how they treat them

Ms G

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would contact the RSPCA for advice and ask them for their opinion. They may do a welfare visit and check on the circumstances.

I don't think it's acceptable, as someone who used to breed dogs, to leave a dog outside for hours and hours while it cries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

video the dog crying outside in the rain, document a few days of how long it's left out there and how long it's crying for. like when they crying starts and stops, time it was put outside then taken in.

send this info to the rspca with your concerns.

i think it's cruel yes as although animals can live outside they haven't got the capability to when they've become pets and need looking after. they aren't wild animals once you domesticate them.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

Well if it's barking all day it clearly isn't happen so yes in my mind.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Unfortunately I can't get to the dog to comfort him.

Plus I have a kitten who'd freak out.

The neighbour is probably at work but as I say it's the lonesome crying that gets me.

I'll put a note through his letterbox explaining my concerns.

Yikes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I would contact the RSPCA for advice and ask them for their opinion. They may do a welfare visit and check on the circumstances.

I don't think it's acceptable, as someone who used to breed dogs, to leave a dog outside for hours and hours while it cries."

It's something I've never done to a dog.

I couldn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Years ago I did report a neighbour because the dog yowled all day to sspca. They went and talked to the owner and then phoned back with an update. The owner didn't know the dog was distressed as they weren't about. After that the yowling stopped so they either rehomed the dog or it was left inside.

Maybe your neighbour doesn't know how distressed his dog is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me personally yes I'd report it straight away. Whether or not the owner is mistreating it if you have a concern the RSPCA should know. If they investigate and there's no problem then there's nothing lost. However if it's left and the dog is being harmed physically or mentally then it's not good

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Years ago I did report a neighbour because the dog yowled all day to sspca. They went and talked to the owner and then phoned back with an update. The owner didn't know the dog was distressed as they weren't about. After that the yowling stopped so they either rehomed the dog or it was left inside.

Maybe your neighbour doesn't know how distressed his dog is? "

Well I've left a note.

Hopefully he'll take notice as I don't want to cause any problems.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth

I believe that any animals kept outdoors must have adequate shelter. So, if the dog doesn't then your neighbour may be breaking the law.

If it was me I would be reporting him, but I also wouldn't expect the rspca to do anything other than pester you for donations

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?"

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You've done the right thing putting a note through. If he fails to acknowledge receipt of it (assuming you were clear who you are) then I'd really recommend following everyone's suggestions of contacting the RSPCA to do a welfare check. They're used to doing this and are diplomatic and professional, and are there to help -- both animal and owner. It can sometimes be that the owner themselves is unaware or unclear on what to do or unable to cope themselves, they may be struggling and need support, so a call to the RSPCA may be helpful at all levels. If they are being intentionally cruel or simply through omission then this can also be addressed, and is the right thing. Well done for taking a step to assist, it's too often easier to look the other way. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child. "

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child. "

No but you can treat them with the same level of kindness

You wouldn't leave a child out crying in the rain, you wouldnt kick a child so why do some people think it's acceptable to treat an animal in this way?

But then I guess some people would treat a child in that way

Personally I see no point in having a dog if it's kept outside

If there is no kennel it is classed as abuse, an outside dog by law has to have shelter for if it rains

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such."

See that's how I see it, a dog is 100% dependent on you and if your not willing to uphold your duty as a pet owner don't get a pet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most councils have a dog Warden who you can start with they could look at the noise side with the crying and have basic knowledge re welfare . Likewise as other posters RSPCA can do a visit and check but you'd probably get quicker response from Warden. X

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By *reakShow90Man
over a year ago

Manchester/halifax

Don't know about the crying if that's all my mums dogs cry when I go to the bath room but as it's been said if the dog cants get away from the wather then maybe call

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Nice to receive private message telling me to 'mind my own business'.

Why not say that here?

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I have a somewhat similar situation, though it's not as blatant.

Maybe use your phone to record the noise and even include something to prove the times in the footage.

Any authorities might find visual/aural evidence helpful when working out whether to proceed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nice to receive private message telling me to 'mind my own business'.

Why not say that here? "

No never mind your own buisness

Sometimes we have to be the voice of those who don't have one

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Nice to receive private message telling me to 'mind my own business'.

Why not say that here?

No never mind your own buisness

Sometimes we have to be the voice of those who don't have one "

Well I've penned a note and posted it through.

If nothing changes then I'll make a call.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such."

Technically a dog is closer to a wolf than a human child. As domesticated animals, sheep and cows are left outside in rain and snow.

Good to see you back though

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have a somewhat similar situation, though it's not as blatant.

Maybe use your phone to record the noise and even include something to prove the times in the footage.

Any authorities might find visual/aural evidence helpful when working out whether to proceed."

I'll keep that in mind.

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well if it's barking all day it clearly isn't happen so yes in my mind."

That's my thinking.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child. "

The " crying" is separation anxiety; it happens often when dogs are left indoors, too.

Dogs are social/ pack animals, and can suffer extreme anxiety if left alone for long periods.

Nothing wrong in principle with a dog being outdoors, but it must have shelter .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

The " crying" is separation anxiety; it happens often when dogs are left indoors, too.

Dogs are social/ pack animals, and can suffer extreme anxiety if left alone for long periods.

Nothing wrong in principle with a dog being outdoors, but it must have shelter ."

Which to me, seems cruel.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

The " crying" is separation anxiety; it happens often when dogs are left indoors, too.

Dogs are social/ pack animals, and can suffer extreme anxiety if left alone for long periods.

Nothing wrong in principle with a dog being outdoors, but it must have shelter .

Which to me, seems cruel."

Correct.

A dog should not be left alone ( even indoors) for more than 4 hours.

It should have shelter if outdoors. That means a minimum of out of rain, and shelter from wind. Ie a proper kennel.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such."

Nope. A dog is an animal and a pet. As I said, I would never neglect an animal but it would know it's place in my pack and that is an animal and a pet, not a child. It would receive shelter and food and medical care and affection but there is a definite difference between what I would provide for a pet and what I would provide for children. Hasn't ever done my 2 cats any harm.

I wonder how so many stray dogs survive if they can't provide for themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such.

Technically a dog is closer to a wolf than a human child. As domesticated animals, sheep and cows are left outside in rain and snow.

Good to see you back though

Mr ddc "

Note the part where I said 'pet dog'. I have a friend with 43 huskies who has them in outdoor shelters... but they are not (and have never been) pet dogs.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such.

Technically a dog is closer to a wolf than a human child. As domesticated animals, sheep and cows are left outside in rain and snow.

Good to see you back though

Mr ddc

Note the part where I said 'pet dog'. I have a friend with 43 huskies who has them in outdoor shelters... but they are not (and have never been) pet dogs."

There lies the crucial difference.

If you do want a pet then love them as pets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My neighbour leaves his dog out in his garden for hours crying even in the pouring rain.

Is this animal cruelty?

I'm pondering whether to contact RSPCA. "

OP how long has he had the dog?

Used to have family who left their dog out when they were at work, as it got too nervous alone inside and tore up pillows and had defecated due to stress.

Eventually they got it a kennel for the outdoor weather.

It's not nice but better than him putting the dog up for adoption.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

A pet dog is basically a child. It is a creature that can't ask for what it wants, or provide for itself. It should be treated as such.

Technically a dog is closer to a wolf than a human child. As domesticated animals, sheep and cows are left outside in rain and snow.

Good to see you back though

Mr ddc

Note the part where I said 'pet dog'. I have a friend with 43 huskies who has them in outdoor shelters... but they are not (and have never been) pet dogs.

There lies the crucial difference.

If you do want a pet then love them as pets."

The thing is people have different definitions on how a pet should be loved

I have two dogs who are part of my family and as such live in my house , they have never been outside dogs but that's my definition of loving a pet, some people see no harm in keeping a dog outside but that's their definition of loving them as a pet

It's a hard one to decided how a dog should be looked after because we all have our own ideas

There is no law to say a dog can't be kept outside so long as your garden follows its basic needs ie shelter from the rain/sun etc but even so I stil wouldn't put my dogs outside

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My neighbour leaves his dog out in his garden for hours crying even in the pouring rain.

Is this animal cruelty?

I'm pondering whether to contact RSPCA.

OP how long has he had the dog?

Used to have family who left their dog out when they were at work, as it got too nervous alone inside and tore up pillows and had defecated due to stress.

Eventually they got it a kennel for the outdoor weather.

It's not nice but better than him putting the dog up for adoption."

about a year.

Thing is I have no idea if dog has a kennel which is why I've put a note through instead of calling anyone.

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

My neighbour leaves his dog out in his garden for hours crying even in the pouring rain.

Is this animal cruelty?

I'm pondering whether to contact RSPCA.

OP how long has he had the dog?

Used to have family who left their dog out when they were at work, as it got too nervous alone inside and tore up pillows and had defecated due to stress.

Eventually they got it a kennel for the outdoor weather.

It's not nice but better than him putting the dog up for adoption."

Looking for a better more suitable home would have been a better option

Op are you in a position to offer the dog a home?

If not maybe volunteer to find new home for dog to owner. He might want rid of it but not bothered to put in effort

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

If the dog does not have any shelter of any form from the elements, in particular rain, and it is all the time, then yes it is animal cruelty.

Wild animals have the option to find shelter in inclement weather.

As for the noise, contact the council, they will deal with it if there are enough complaints.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"There lies the crucial difference.

If you do want a pet then love them as pets."

True. I grew up with working dogs and waited until one of us was home full-time before we got one last year. It took a fortnight to settle his separation anxiety, and even now he can't be left outside any shop he isn't used to.

My experience of the RSPCA is that they aren't that fussed unless there's a chance of a successful prosecution, whereas Environmental Health are more successful at achieving results in these sort of cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would call someone to have a look, hate the rspca tho so maybe the local dog warden.

It's cruel to leave them outdoors in any terrible weather...hot/cold etc without any shelter of sorts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Put it this way would you leave your child outside crying kn the pouring rain for hours?

That doesn't quite equate really. Whilst I wouldn't let an animal suffer I would certainly treat it a lot different to how I would treat a child.

The " crying" is separation anxiety; it happens often when dogs are left indoors, too.

Dogs are social/ pack animals, and can suffer extreme anxiety if left alone for long periods.

Nothing wrong in principle with a dog being outdoors, but it must have shelter .

Which to me, seems cruel.

Correct.

A dog should not be left alone ( even indoors) for more than 4 hours.

It should have shelter if outdoors. That means a minimum of out of rain, and shelter from wind. Ie a proper kennel."
its not cruelty to leave a dog while you go to work...as long as you provide water etc.. so id imagine 4 hours is a bit less than what would be deemed acceptable .

Op.. I think by leaving a message you have done the right thing.... maybe the owner is unaware that his dog is even crying out x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't get a response from the note you have left, the next option should be your local council to complain about the noise. In my experience the RSPCA are a waste of time unless they have a camera crew intow. I contacted them a year ago about a dog that had been abandoned in a yard when the owners had moved out, they said because it had an old outhouse for shelter and I had fed it they would not attend, even though it's owners had moved out of the property and abandoned him, and even told me not to take him because it was theft. So I thought bollocks to that,phoned the police explained what had happened, they came round kicked the back gate in and left the dog in my care. My ex has him and he's a fantastic loving dog.

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow

Aside from all the animal rights points above, which I agree with, there are also legal rights to address antisocial behaviour towards neighbours

His dog crying all day is antisocial, you can report that to the council and they will serve him with a notice that it needs to be addressed. Otherwise the council can fine/evict (if rented and continues)

Good luck

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

"In your shoes, I'd definitely contact the RSPCA for advice - I can't abide animal cruelty and/or neglect. I must admit that if he's not the approachable type I might be a little worried about potential repercussions (if he's *that* sort of unapproachable) but on the other hand the cries of a whining dog can carry quite far and chances are other people in the vicinity will have also heard him so could just as easily have reported.

Hope they take it seriously if you do report ... god knows why some people get pets when this is how they treat them

Ms G "

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

OP, this is heart breaking to listen to, isn't it. I feel you've done the right thing with the note, hopefully they will talk to you, as they may not know what's going on. But, yes the dog should have shelter from the weather and some water. If you don't hear from neighbour or it continues, I would get advise from RSPCA. Good luck.

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By *ilacWoman
over a year ago

Cheshire

"I'm concerned.

Dogs, like many animals, can live outdoors. Its distress is more likely to be a combination of boredom and separation anxiety. Sadly there are no laws against being a shit dog-owner, just a cruel one

Environmental Health will get better results than the RSPCA.

Mr ddc"

RSPCA probably won't do anything. Especially if the dog has access to shelter and water.

Environmental health with send a letter and warn of noise. They will give you a noise diary to complete. You'll get more action this way.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm concerned.

Dogs, like many animals, can live outdoors. Its distress is more likely to be a combination of boredom and separation anxiety. Sadly there are no laws against being a shit dog-owner, just a cruel one

Environmental Health will get better results than the RSPCA.

Mr ddc

RSPCA probably won't do anything. Especially if the dog has access to shelter and water.

Environmental health with send a letter and warn of noise. They will give you a noise diary to complete. You'll get more action this way. "

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always kenneled my dogs outside even through winter, although exceptional winter weather I bring them in.

They prefer being outside to come and go around the garden as they please.

Although I've always had outdoor breeds, I'm not sure a pug could "survive" it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's got me thinking though....I reckon my dog could be fine for a month? .

He self feeds and that's how long a bag of dog food lasts, water is constant from a rainwater tub(never given my dog tap water).

I'm wondering how long it would take before the beggar misses me

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"It's got me thinking though....I reckon my dog could be fine for a month? .

He self feeds and that's how long a bag of dog food lasts, water is constant from a rainwater tub(never given my dog tap water).

I'm wondering how long it would take before the beggar misses me

Phone the cops!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's got me thinking though....I reckon my dog could be fine for a month? .

He self feeds and that's how long a bag of dog food lasts, water is constant from a rainwater tub(never given my dog tap water).

I'm wondering how long it would take before the beggar misses me

Phone the cops!!!!!!

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He'd probably just take up with next door..... He's a bit of a littlest hobo type!.

No idea where he gets it from

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

OP I wouldn't bother wasting your time contacting the RSPCA.

I have contacted them on several occasions regarding animal cruelty/neglect.

On one occasion a cat had a broken leg that hadn't been treated. 12 months later the cat still hadn't seen a vet and had a permanent limp because it never got treated. The RSPCA didn't take any action at all, they never visited even when given the address.

However they did repeatedly phone me at least once a week asking me to make regular monthly donations to them and wouldn't remove my details from their system. This continued for well over a year and only stopped when I changed my phone number.

If you need to get further advice try contacting your local dog warden or the environmental health department at the council.

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