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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I am intrigued to hear people's _iews on Maddies parents

As the story rolls on

I have always been confused by public and media support vs what everyone I speak to actually think

Publishing a book

Audience with Pope ect

Surely they should be in jail ?

No?

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

Why do you say that?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Why do you say that?"

Let me put it another way:

Given the high frequency of conspiracy theory/belief/supernatural threads going round Fab of late...

What's one more?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest."
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Actually that quite shocked me as id remembered the case from years ago but....I thought did i hear that right, he was only 18 months old while playing alone on a building site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

They made a huge mistake and will live with that regret for ever.

I don't throw vitriol at them, it changes nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I honestly don't know what to think about this case as I've not properly studied it in full detail.

But there's one thing that's a certainty : the loss of a child must be one of the most horrific things any parent can go through (I can only imagine the devastation).

Their behaviour does seem erratic but who is to say how anyone of us would react in the same circumstances if we lost a child.

I do find it interesting though the questions Kate refused to answer to the Portugese police (Google them) - if I was desperate to find my child I'd answer any question thrown at me fully

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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You can't say everybody would feel the same way you would.... It's a misconception

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest..

Actually that quite shocked me as id remembered the case from years ago but....I thought did i hear that right, he was only 18 months old while playing alone on a building site

From memory he was playing outside whilst his grandparents looked after him. He just disappeared.

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By *romleycouple 400Couple
over a year ago

bromley

They both should be in prison

And lost there jobs

If they were on benefit the media would of had a field day it's a joke

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They don't get alot of sympathy from me I'm afraid.

They neglected their children, administered drugs for selfish reasons.

I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 07/10/16 13:46:02].

You can't say everybody would feel the same way you would.... It's a misconception

Did you see what I wrote?

Looking at the time stamp it was my comment. Which I replicated below correcting a spelling error

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My feelings and thoughts are with Ben needhams family. Xxx

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest."

That's the way I thought at first as well,but they obviously don't want to find his body as that will mean he's no longer alive. At least if they don't find anything there's still hope he's still alive somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest..

Actually that quite shocked me as id remembered the case from years ago but....I thought did i hear that right, he was only 18 months old while playing alone on a building site

From memory he was playing outside whilst his grandparents looked after him. He just disappeared. "

It wasn't just a random building site iirc. It was where work was been done at his grandparents villa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont know what to think so many different theories going round id like to think theyre just parents who fucked up and are desperate to get their kid back lord knows if i lost any of mine i dont think id want to carry on living

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do find it interesting though the questions Kate refused to answer to the Portugese police (Google them) - if I was desperate to find my child I'd answer any question thrown at me fully "

Couldnt agree more. You would do everything you could to help the police. Also why did they flee the country the minute they were suspects.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really do beleive they are more involved than they lead us to belive, my theory is they overdosed their daughter and panicked

That's just what I think anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I really do beleive they are more involved than they lead us to belive, my theory is they overdosed their daughter and panicked

That's just what I think anyway"

Me too. I think their social life seemed more important than their kids wellbeing.

I feel more sympathy for the needhams. I hope they finally get the answers they deserve and some closure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was 3 years old almost 4, sleeping in a ground floor apartment with 2 year old twin siblings and an unlocked patio door. I'm sorry but you just don't leave kids unattended whilst you sit 160 feet away eating and drinking. You're on holiday, have the kids in buggies asleep next to you. I've been on holidays with my mother or my grandparents from a baby and I was always up with the adults, either sleeping in my bampi's arms or in a buggy whilst everyone ate and drank. It's holiday that's what you do. The kids all went to kids club as well all day till 6pm and were put to bed at 7pm, why take your kids on holiday if they're gonna be shoved in kids club all day. Plus didn't Kate study to be an anaesthetist and didn't the kids have stuff to make them sleep?

It's horrific and horrible what happened but you don't leave your kids unattended. Wouldn't have been as bad if they'd locked all the doors but they left the patio doors unlocked, kids could've walked out and obviously anybody could and possible did walk in and take her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only victim in this case is Maddie.

The parents were selfish and negligent. Their actions resulted in the disappearance/death of their kid. End of story.

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

Have mixed feelings. The unbearable loss of a child must be excruciating beyond belief. We cannot get past actually leaving small children in a room out of sight then going out without them whilst holidaying, just doesn't sit well with us at all. It's 'that' decision alone we just don't understand.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

They fucked up in a huge way and it's their guilt that drives them on

I have been on holiday many times with my sons when they were younger and when it was meal times we all ate together, and afterwards if the kids were sleepy we went back to our rooms and had a quiet drink on the balcony, there is no way in hell I would leave my kids alone in a hotel/appt.

What happened to their daughter is anyone guess really but the guilt they feel for neglecting her for one night will burn in them forever.

They are very lucky they still have the twins otherwise it would be a case of three missing children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning.. "

Lots of parents leave their kids alone in the UK, whilst they pop out etc. It's luck sometimes that nothing bad happens.

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning.. "

Taking care of your children is good for the soul too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not really a case of people thinking they're better parents but Christ even the dopiest bastards know that you don't leave children in a building unattended. They were what you call middle class is it, probably the type to comment on working class people who had their kids with them running round probably being a nuisance but not getting snatched from apartments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name."

Eh?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

My _iew is a simple one, whether she is alive somewhere or dead somewhere, either directly by their hand or indirectly due to their neglect they are responsible & they should have been charged with neglect & their other children removed.

End of..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning..

Taking care of your children is good for the soul too "

I know that and that of course as a parent and new grandparent goes without saying..

we all have made mistakes as parents and to be honest whilst there's is pretty high on the why did they do that list because it went wrong for them..

they are not the only ones to have done so nor will they be..

how many let their kids stand in the car behind them and get away with it. how many can't be arsed to fit a working smoke alarm and get away with it etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I spent a long time looking after my nipper...time spent keeping a eye on where they were.or not going out.and there is no fucking way I'd do what they did....

Now I'd not stick the boot in as the pain they suffered is horrendous but I think the Portuguese police are dubious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Regardless of what happened, they've exploited the situation financially.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name.

Eh?"
Yes, the detectives that are investigating the disappearance of madeline, is saying she still can be found.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My _iew is a simple one, whether she is alive somewhere or dead somewhere, either directly by their hand or indirectly due to their neglect they are responsible & they should have been charged with neglect & their other children removed.

End of..

Kick them when they are down ain't gonna help...even the fucking prime minister buggers off leaving his sprog in a boozer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest."

you're right, there isn't a minimum age for leaving a child home alone but if anything happens to that child you can be charged with neglect x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Regardless of what happened, they've exploited the situation financially. "

I think if they donated what they've made to charities that help missing children people might have more sympathy. For some reason they just aren't likeable people. Can't put my finger on why but I never feel sorry for them.

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By *andybeachWoman
over a year ago

In the middle

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning..

Taking care of your children is good for the soul too

I know that and that of course as a parent and new grandparent goes without saying..

we all have made mistakes as parents and to be honest whilst there's is pretty high on the why did they do that list because it went wrong for them..

they are not the only ones to have done so nor will they be..

how many let their kids stand in the car behind them and get away with it. how many can't be arsed to fit a working smoke alarm and get away with it etc..

When people do things like that they are all lucky that thu don't crash the car or the house goes up in flames, their actions this time had a consequence and that is what eats them up inside because they are looking to point the finger at the scruffy bloke who was round the pool that day, or the weird bloke hanging round the resort, the fact is they left the kids and one of them has disappeared.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

The McCanns

Guilty as sin

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By *eeperscreepersMan
over a year ago

Tipp

They killed her.

Guilty as hell, may they drown in piss and burn in hell.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

When I was a kid we went to Pontins holiday camps a couple of times, they ran a baby listening service so you could leave your children alone in your chalet with only random, unchecked blue coats walking round while you drank beer and danced the march of the mods or entered the topsy turvy competition. My mum was horrified and never left us but loads of parents did, it's only by good fortune that nothing bad happened. It was acceptable and encouraged.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They killed her.

Guilty as hell, may they drown in piss and burn in hell."

bet they are glad your not a judge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When I was a kid we went to Pontins holiday camps a couple of times, they ran a baby listening service so you could leave your children alone in your chalet with only random, unchecked blue coats walking round while you drank beer and danced the march of the mods or entered the topsy turvy competition. My mum was horrified and never left us but loads of parents did, it's only by good fortune that nothing bad happened. It was acceptable and encouraged."

they did the same at Butlins when I was a kiddie : "Baby crying in chalet E2". Looking back now you think "WHAT"!?'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am intrigued to hear people's _iews on Maddies parents

As the story rolls on

I have always been confused by public and media support vs what everyone I speak to actually think

Publishing a book

Audience with Pope ect

Surely they should be in jail ?

No?"

I am sure that as they have probably been living in their own private hell for all these years, then jail would be a poor substitute

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

they did the same at Butlins when I was a kiddie : "Baby crying in chalet E2". Looking back now you think "WHAT"!?'

Exactly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who leaves their young children in a ground floor apartment right on the side of the road with the patio doors unlocked? That's just plain stupid.

Who gives their kids some sort of sleeping tablet?

Who leaves not one but 3 young children in a room alone to go and have some dinner and alcohol?

Who goes running, practically smiling on the beach days after your child's gone missing!?

Who doesn't answer any questions thrown at them if you just want your child back?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ahh the good old days before 'elf & safety forbade such antics

I used to be a 'baby patroller', only we went round on a push bike as it was only a small camp..if any child was found to be crying we had to go along to the ballroom and write the chalet number on a white board at the side of the stage and the compere for the evening would shout out 'baby crying in chalet 3D'... I never once found a crying baby or a toddler in two years..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's hard to pass judgement on a case that has had so much media coverage. It's really hard to decipher the truth from the lies!! Like with every case in the media eye the story always becomes more fabricated with time, Plus the public like just love doing there best Columbo impressions when it comes to solving an unsolved case.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Who leaves their young children in a ground floor apartment right on the side of the road with the patio doors unlocked? That's just plain stupid.

Who gives their kids some sort of sleeping tablet?

Who leaves not one but 3 young children in a room alone to go and have some dinner and alcohol?

Who goes running, practically smiling on the beach days after your child's gone missing!?

Who doesn't answer any questions thrown at them if you just want your child back?

Is there any evidence to suggest the children were given sedatives?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

ahh the good old days before 'elf & safety forbade such antics

A high tech system then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest..

Actually that quite shocked me as id remembered the case from years ago but....I thought did i hear that right, he was only 18 months old while playing alone on a building site

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he was 22 months and playing on his grandparents land but work was being done

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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago

Catthorpe

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning.. "

Been in the exact situation as the Mccans and never did we do that. Child with us at all times, every single time and safety was and always has been heightened when away from home. A family holiday is just that, it isn't a couples holiday or a family holiday when we felt/feel like it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

All great opinions thank you

I'm glad it was just a coincidence that all my friends blame them

I share the idea that the media would have looked at them differently had they been chavs

To make money from publicity and a book makes me very angry

I'm not really into any conspiracy theories

Just the mere fact that you just don't neglect your kids

Given the work they do they would no doubt work long hours so time with the kids would be rare yet precious

Or so you would have thought

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"All great opinions thank you

I'm glad it was just a coincidence that all my friends blame them

I share the idea that the media would have looked at them differently had they been chavs

To make money from publicity and a book makes me very angry

I'm not really into any conspiracy theories

Just the mere fact that you just don't neglect your kids

Given the work they do they would no doubt work long hours so time with the kids would be rare yet precious

Or so you would have thought "

Easy for you to say

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning.. "

Just because people condemn a couple for being out eating while their three children under five slept in an unlocked room doesn't mean they are stoning them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Check out Richard hall on rich planet..he does a very good investigation into these two..very thought provoking

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name."

Are you saying that you think the child going missing was a publicity stunt?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning..

Lots of parents leave their kids alone in the UK, whilst they pop out etc. It's luck sometimes that nothing bad happens. "

Then they are just as bad

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Regardless of what happened, they've exploited the situation financially.

I think I feel sorry for them in as much as whatever happened that night they have to live with that for the rest of their life. I just think they were bad parents who thought their own enjoyment was more important than their three young childrens safety.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Gone quiet in 'ere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 07/10/16 13:46:02].

You can't say everybody would feel the same way you would.... It's a misconception

Did you see what I wrote?

Looking at the time stamp it was my comment. Which I replicated below correcting a spelling error

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God that's anal

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By *9 kisses.Man
over a year ago

clacton on sea

"They fucked up in a huge way and it's their guilt that drives them on

What happened to their daughter is anyone guess really but the guilt they feel for neglecting her for one night will burn in them forever.

They are very lucky they still have the twins otherwise it would be a case of three missing children."

you say they feel guilty, if thats the case why would you write a book go on tv, if i were them i would not have left there without her, i would still be looking, yes they are to blame, in this day and age why would you leave your children home alone anywhere let alone another country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They made poor choices and I think they should have been charged with neglect at least, but there is no minimum age for leaving children home alone.

look at the Ben Needham case too. I just hope her body is found so she can be properly laid to rest..

Actually that quite shocked me as id remembered the case from years ago but....I thought did i hear that right, he was only 18 months old while playing alone on a building site

he was 22 months and playing on his grandparents land but work was being done

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I know, when I was listening to it on the radio last month I hadn't realised he'd been a baby, I always thought he was well more like a small boy of five or six

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"They made a huge mistake and will live with that regret for ever.

I don't throw vitriol at them, it changes nothing."

People kill others every day after making huge mistakes and end up being punished. I have never understood this argument.

If I decided to drink drive and killed someone you love but told the world how very sorry I was and how I will live with the regret for all if my days would you be happy for me to be spared punishment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole situation is awful.

If they did it, then they are truly awful people.

If they didn't do it...

Well, they did something as parents that was awful, but they're being punished over it in the most vile way imaginable.

I just don't have an opinion on what happened to her.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name.

Are you saying that you think the child going missing was a publicity stunt?"
Yes I do and they reckon they have done the perfect crime, but the truth will come out one day.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*shakes head and walks slowly away*

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!""

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hes a doctor too, how are you supposed to trust his judgement

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name.

Are you saying that you think the child going missing was a publicity stunt?Yes I do and they reckon they have done the perfect crime, but the truth will come out one day."

So they did the perfect crime to get publicity?

Sorry for all the questions but I am a bit confused

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

Of course not - in an ideal world.

But I'm reflecting not on an ideal but on the hysteria of the debate here, which is characterised by some truly horrific language and lack of understanding.

You might ask "Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

I might also ask do you think the McCanns wanted this to happen?

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over a year ago

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name.

Are you saying that you think the child going missing was a publicity stunt?Yes I do and they reckon they have done the perfect crime, but the truth will come out one day.

So they did the perfect crime to get publicity?

Sorry for all the questions but I am a bit confused"
That is fine and yes, not sure how to explain it more there, the crime is perfect as they have convinced everyone there story of events, but eventually they will be found out.

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over a year ago

"They are bad parents for setting it up as a publicity stunt to get their names out. Imagine how the kid would feel when she is in her teens and googling her name.

Are you saying that you think the child going missing was a publicity stunt?Yes I do and they reckon they have done the perfect crime, but the truth will come out one day.

So they did the perfect crime to get publicity?

Sorry for all the questions but I am a bit confusedThat is fine and yes, not sure how to explain it more there, the crime is perfect as they have convinced everyone there story of events, but eventually they will be found out."

I'm not convinced shag

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over a year ago

I really dont think they will ever find poor little maddie,my thoughts are she wandered on to the beach and the sea took her.

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over a year ago

If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

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Fab Outrage!

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By *ugby 123Couple
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"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?

Of course not - in an ideal world.

But I'm reflecting not on an ideal but on the hysteria of the debate here, which is characterised by some truly horrific language and lack of understanding.

You might ask "Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

I might also ask do you think the McCanns wanted this to happen?"

I have no doubt that unless they were evil people that they would never have wanted this to happen no.

Nevertheless , it did happen and they were the ones at fault that their child was not safe. They are parents who cocked up big time with the most horrendous of consequences and will have to live with that knowledge for the rest of their lives.

We can't say we have never made mistakes bringing our kids up, but one thing we wouldn't have done was what they did, abroad or at home.

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By *aeganaWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

guilty as hell just have to read the case files to know this the parents changed there statements so many times and when dogs were sent in they detected the smell of death and blood in the car and around the apartment. Shame that they will never be convicted as they know to many people high up to cover for them.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

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"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?

Of course not - in an ideal world.

But I'm reflecting not on an ideal but on the hysteria of the debate here, which is characterised by some truly horrific language and lack of understanding.

You might ask "Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

I might also ask do you think the McCanns wanted this to happen?

I have no doubt that unless they were evil people that they would never have wanted this to happen no.

We can't say we have never made mistakes bringing our kids up, but one thing we wouldn't have done was what they did, abroad or at home.

Right. Agreed. No-one's perfect.

I find it difficult to swallow that they were ultimately responsible - any more than the parents of Jamie Bulger were responsible for their child's death.

It's a terrible, horrible thing that happened. But you can't watch a child 24/7.

But I don't think that a sustained campaign of vitriol against a grief-stricken family is in any way appropriate.

A little context...

"Social media's attacks on the McCanns reportedly included threats to kidnap one of their twins, and when Scotland Yard and Crimewatch staged their reconstruction in 2013, there was talk of phoning in with false information to sabotage the appeal.

One man who ran a website devoted to criticizing the couple received a three-month suspended sentence in 2013 after leafleting their village with his allegations, and the following year a Twitter user was found dead from a helium overdose after Sky News confronted her about her McCann tweets.

Eilis O'Hanlon wrote that the disappearance "could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Media_coverage

The McCanns will live with this for the rest of their lives, long after we've all forgotten about the case like yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.

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over a year ago

"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

He's tried to be 'funny' throughout

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over a year ago

"Regardless of what happened, they've exploited the situation financially.

Possibly because at the start they refused to take any responsibility for not looking after their children properly.

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over a year ago

"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do????????? "

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

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over a year ago

"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?

Of course not - in an ideal world.

But I'm reflecting not on an ideal but on the hysteria of the debate here, which is characterised by some truly horrific language and lack of understanding.

You might ask "Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

I might also ask do you think the McCanns wanted this to happen?

I have no doubt that unless they were evil people that they would never have wanted this to happen no.

We can't say we have never made mistakes bringing our kids up, but one thing we wouldn't have done was what they did, abroad or at home.

Right. Agreed. No-one's perfect.

I find it difficult to swallow that they were ultimately responsible - any more than the parents of Jamie Bulger were responsible for their child's death.

It's a terrible, horrible thing that happened. But you can't watch a child 24/7.

But I don't think that a sustained campaign of vitriol against a grief-stricken family is in any way appropriate.

A little context...

Eilis O'Hanlon wrote that the disappearance "could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Media_coverage

The McCanns will live with this for the rest of their lives, long after we've all forgotten about the case like yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.

I'd agree no parent can keep an eye on a child 24/7 but how is that relevant to leaving them alone in a hotel room while the parents have a night out? This isn't a moments I inattention or a spontaneous decision with horrific consequences. This was a conscious decision to leave their children unsupervised for an evening.

No idea how you can compare that to Jamie Bulgers abduction.

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Right. Agreed. No-one's perfect.

I find it difficult to swallow that they were ultimately responsible - any more than the parents of Jamie Bulger were responsible for their child's death.

It's a terrible, horrible thing that happened. But you can't watch a child 24/7.

But I don't think that a sustained campaign of vitriol against a grief-stricken family is in any way appropriate.

A little context...

Eilis O'Hanlon wrote that the disappearance "could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Media_coverage

The McCanns will live with this for the rest of their lives, long after we've all forgotten about the case like yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.

You can watch a child if you are in the same room/ holiday flat , you can't if you are not even in the same place and have left them alone.. Now if you had found an instant where parents had left their children in bed with an unlocked patio door and gone off down the road to the pub then that is a good comparison but the one you mentioned was nothing like the Mcgann case at all.

We all know you can't watch your child every minute of every day, but to potentially put your child at risk for a few sherbets and a tapas is totally different to taking your eyes off them for one minute while you pay for something in a shop.

To the rest of your post, I agree, social media is shit, you get loads of keyboard warriors who are vile but you also have to admit that a lot of people are divided on this story and should be able to say so ( without the abuse obviously )

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"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?"

Common sense?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

The only fact I know is that they are irresponsible parents

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"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?"

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

I agree with you Ruggers, I believe the family to be totally neglectful in their actions but I don;t agree with casting aspersions based on their profession or social standing. If the parents were involved (beyond gross negligence) then they are psychopaths, being doctors is irrelevant

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"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Ah sorry yes, I misread what you were quoting.

I think his point was as doctors they may know what drugs to use for certain situations.

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over a year ago

"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Beg to differ

Being doctors is how they avoided jail

How they gained media sympathy

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By *t my DesiresWoman
over a year ago

Bitchville

The only victim is their missing clppp If that was just ordinary Joe like me, my arse would have been in jail and my other children taken away. To be honest, don't even know why I'm.wasting thumb effort on this - sorry

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"You can watch a child if you are in the same room/ holiday flat , you can't if you are not even in the same place and have left them alone.. Now if you had found an instant where parents had left their children in bed with an unlocked patio door and gone off down the road to the pub then that is a good comparison but the one you mentioned was nothing like the Mcgann case at all.

Again, I think it's very easy for us to say these things, and I think that hindsight is a wonderful thing.

The ins and outs of the case have been picked over ad nauseam and I'm not going to get into a debate about 'should've' or 'would've'. I know plenty of people who have done similar things on holiday. I personally don't think the McCanns acted in an irresponsible manner although the consequences were terrible.

I just don;t think it's reasonable for the rest of us to stand in judgement on the grief of a family.

Having different opinions is, of course, allowed - even if you are the ultimate arbiter of that

But as I've maintained, the level of vitriol in this case is at best unhelpful.

See thread for details.

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over a year ago

a couple on the dole wouldve been branded as 'eating burgers and drinking beer' but they was 'enjoying tapas and drinking wine'!! i suggest some people read the book 'the truth of the lie'...?im certain it would change alot of peoples thoughts of the McCanns.

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over a year ago

"I honestly don't know what to think about this case as I've not properly studied it in full detail.

But there's one thing that's a certainty : the loss of a child must be one of the most horrific things any parent can go through (I can only imagine the devastation).

Their behaviour does seem erratic but who is to say how anyone of us would react in the same circumstances if we lost a child.

I do find it interesting though the questions Kate refused to answer to the Portugese police (Google them) - if I was desperate to find my child I'd answer any question thrown at me fully "

Sorry for quoting myself, and apologies it's from the Daily Mail, but here's the link to the 48 (loaded?) questions Kate McCann allegedly refused to answer to Police.

I'm taking absolutely no position on anything by posting this (as I'm not close enough to all the facts) other than putting it out there for the purpose of the debate. Definitely worth a read though :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html

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over a year ago

"guilty as hell just have to read the case files to know this the parents changed there statements so many times and when dogs were sent in they detected the smell of death and blood in the car and around the apartment. Shame that they will never be convicted as they know to many people high up to cover for them."

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over a year ago

From what I've read and I am not Ann expert on the matter, their childcare choices on that night should have been better in my opinion.

As for if they are guilty because of the other reason that they 'may have been behind' her kidnap, we will probably never know, I would like to think they wasn't behind it, although all the money they have made from her missing is ridiculous, is the money going in their pockets or to charity (because that would be the nice thing to do as its cost is a fortune trying to find her)

We will never know

G x

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"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Beg to differ

Being doctors is how they avoided jail

How they gained media sympathy

They gained public sympathy because she was abducted. Can you think of a case where a child has gone missing where people didn't sympathize with the parents? Milly Dowler? Soham? Alice Gross? Did people not sympathise with those parents while they were missing?

But I'm interested how they avoided jail by being doctors?

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I personally don't think the McCanns acted in an irresponsible manner although the consequences were terrible.

That surprises me

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over a year ago

"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Beg to differ

Being doctors is how they avoided jail

How they gained media sympathy

But I'm interested how they avoided jail by being doctors?"

When you are alone do you argue with yourself

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Now now, you wanted a debate, don't be rude when someone joins in.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Who are these high up people? How did a couple of random doctors have such good conections before all this happened?

Genuine question.

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over a year ago

"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Ah sorry yes, I misread what you were quoting.

I think his point was as doctors they may know what drugs to use for certain situations."

They'd know how to sedate a child, but beyong that I really can;t see wjy people go on about them neing doctors and middle class.

They wouldn't know how to dispose of a body, evade arrest and lie to the world's media

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over a year ago

"Now now, you wanted a debate, don't be rude when someone joins in."

Lol

Sorry

Shouldn't feel I need to justify an opinion or statement

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over a year ago

"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Beg to differ

Being doctors is how they avoided jail

How they gained media sympathy

But I'm interested how they avoided jail by being doctors?

When you are alone do you argue with yourself "

Sorry I was just giving my pinion

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"If it had been a couple on the dole.. They'd b charged and found guilty in a year. Being a doctor De he know exactly what to do?????????

I'm pretty sure that being a doctor in no way makes him an expert in anything more than medicine. So how did he know 'exactly what to do'?

Common sense?

I was reading the post as an implication that the parents knew exactly what to do to in the contextt of evading capture

Ah sorry yes, I misread what you were quoting.

I think his point was as doctors they may know what drugs to use for certain situations.

They'd know how to sedate a child, but beyong that I really can;t see wjy people go on about them neing doctors and middle class.

They wouldn't know how to dispose of a body, evade arrest and lie to the world's media"

No, but some think they got treated differently because they were doctors. I would imagine if it had happened over here, no matter what profession or standing they had you would think it would be the same investigation and outcome of the parents or hope it would be anyway, but as it happened out of the country would the same investigations apply from our SS etc? Of course people seem to be assuming nothing was investigated by SS

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"Now now, you wanted a debate, don't be rude when someone joins in.

Lol

Sorry

Shouldn't feel I need to justify an opinion or statement "

If you want a debate, thats what normally happens

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"baby crying in chalet number 65" flashed up on screen if I remember correctly as small child

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"Now now, you wanted a debate, don't be rude when someone joins in.

Lol

Sorry

Shouldn't feel I need to justify an opinion or statement

If you want a debate, thats what normally happens

Oh yeah

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

"They both should be in prison

And lost there jobs

If they were on benefit the media would of had a field day it's a joke "

this

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"Check out Richard hall on rich planet..he does a very good investigation into these two..very thought provoking "

Yes, I've watched some of this documentary, but not the entire 4 hours. Maybe this will prompt me to _iew the rest of it.

Someone asked about if there was documentation/evidence of drugging. It's mentioned early on that it was "Calopol", so I guess Kate McCann must have said this in her statement.

I've posted a link for anyone interested.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs

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By *aeganaWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

Who are these high up people? How did a couple of random doctors have such good conections before all this happened?

Genuine question."
read the case files u can find them thru google and watch the video on youtube they are very friendly with alot of high up Mps who have helped them cover alot up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope is a killer so is not knowing life is just in limbo x

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over a year ago

There's no comparison between the disappearances of Ben Needham and Maddie McCann - Ben was not sedated and left alone for hours, his mother has spent 25 years searching for him with very little financial support, and has always conducted herself with dignity despite the toll it's taken on her life.

Read the police files for the McCann case and you'll see its not a conspiracy theory. Nothing adds up - timelines, the tapas 7 statements that constantly changed, Kate's refusal to answer police questions. They never even physically searched for Maddie, they carried on with their holiday, running and playing tennis while the twins were put back in the creche. Who calls Sky news before the police when their daughter disappears? Or deletes all their phine records? Or sets up a limited company to fundraise a few days later? Or plans a big event to mark the one year anniversary when she's only been missing a few months? Not the actions of parents who expect to find their daughter alive.

No evidence of an abduction and the apartment had been forensically cleaned with no DNA found at all - yet 2 adults and 3 toddlers had been there a week! Specialist blood and cadaver dogs with 100% accuracy records located several places in the apartment and also the McCanns car hired 3 weeks after the disappearance. The Portuguese files contain facts and evidence, not supposition, from competent police officers doing their jobs.

The McCanns went on holiday broke with mortgage arrears - despite 6 figure incomes - yet are now millionaires and mortgage free thanks to their 'fund'. They sue anyone who questions them and there are supposedly super injections gagging the press, locals in their village, and those on holiday with them. If the parents weren't 2 middle class doctors they would be hung out to dry, yet they're untouchable

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over a year ago

Who are these high up people? How did a couple of random doctors have such good conections before all this happened?

Genuine question."
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Gordon brown

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"I honestly don't know what to think about this case as I've not properly studied it in full detail.

But there's one thing that's a certainty : the loss of a child must be one of the most horrific things any parent can go through (I can only imagine the devastation).

Their behaviour does seem erratic but who is to say how anyone of us would react in the same circumstances if we lost a child.

I do find it interesting though the questions Kate refused to answer to the Portugese police (Google them) - if I was desperate to find my child I'd answer any question thrown at me fully

Sorry for quoting myself, and apologies it's from the Daily Mail, but here's the link to the 48 (loaded?) questions Kate McCann allegedly refused to answer to Police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041635/The-48-questions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html"

Hmmmm yes Iv questioned why she left her twins alone once seeing maddy had gone to go back to tapas bar.

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over a year ago

"There's no comparison between the disappearances of Ben Needham and Maddie McCann - Ben was not sedated and left alone for hours, his mother has spent 25 years searching for him with very little financial support, and has always conducted herself with dignity despite the toll it's taken on her life.

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The above makes for grim reading.

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By *nequeenslutWoman
over a year ago

rugeley

they have or had powerful people in high places anyone else would of been grilled like kipper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put it this way.

Single black mother living on a council estate, leaves her kid to go to her mates house a few doors away. Has drinks and foods. Kid goes missing- other kids would be taken from her and she would be slated and investigated constantly.

White priveliged doctor couple go abroad, and leave thier children in the hotel, one gets "kidnapped" and they keep their other kids, and make a shit load of money out of the child's disappearence too. And they have the support of the police.

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter? "

Personally I think they did kill her but it wasn't intentional

I think they drugged the kids to make them sleep while they went out and maybe the child had a reaction to it, that I don't know but I think when they came back they found her dead and panicked

I remember reading they had found the child's DNA in a car they hired after she went missing, maybe they hid the body then hired a car some time later to dispose of the child

Of course I'm not an expert on such matters and I could well be wrong but that's my theory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know all this?

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter? "

Why does anyone murder their kid? There's never an understandable motive for murdering a child

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over a year ago

"They both should be in prison

And lost there jobs

If they were on benefit the media would of had a field day it's a joke "

The fact they were a 'professional' couple earned them some 'slack' from the media

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"To the rest of your post, I agree, social media is shit, you get loads of keyboard warriors who are vile but you also have to admit that a lot of people are divided on this story and should be able to say so ( without the abuse obviously )"

But what if those opinions are uninformed, foolish or malicious?

Not all 'opinions' are to be given the same weight.

Again, see thread for details...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter? "

I don't think I've ever seen it genuinely suggested that they murdered her. The police files indicate an accidental death with the parents concealing and disposing of the body for reasons unknown. If you accept this is what happened, the question of why her body couldn't be allowed to be examined and autopsied is the key. An accident would have seen them vilified but probably not prosecuted.

Maddie and the twins never saw a heath visitor or a GP, yet anyone with toddlers will know how many jabs and developmental checks they have before school. Kate McCann was a trained anaesthetist as well as a GP, and evidence points to her treating and dispensing drugs to her own children.

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

Why does anyone murder their kid? There's never an understandable motive for murdering a child"

I honestly have no clue. But usually there is a motive, however sick and twisted the individual is. With the exception of psychopaths which is a different thing altogether. I don't claim to have a lot of knowledge on the matter but often when a child is killed, there is a history of abuse of neglect in the family or a jealous boyfriend /girlfriend seems common room.

It doesn't make sense in my head that they would take their children on holiday to murder one of them for no reason. I don't get.

The theory that they accidentally overdosed them is possible although as Doctors, you would think the risk of that is less likely (unless it was interesting intentional, in which case I cannot see the motive).

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Sorry - my message is full of errors due to autocorrect but hopefully you get the general meaning

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

I know not if they killed their child, all I do know is if this was a person/s in a less prominent position in society they would have been vilified for sedating and leaving their child without adult supervision, in all probability they would have been rightly prosecuted for criminal neglect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this "

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know all this?"

Because it's all in the police files - the ones that the British press never refer to or mention. Factual reading and easily found online.

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

How do you know all this?

Because it's all in the police files - the ones that the British press never refer to or mention. Factual reading and easily found online."

I didn't know police files are available on the Internet. I thought they were confidential papers?

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

I was more talking about the comment that they never had vaccination etc by a health visitor or nurse and it's believed the mother was giving them herself

I've not heard that before by the way, but if it is true that is an offensive where you would get struck off

Anybody can give calpol not anybody can give prescription drugs, and even though she's a doctor she cannot just help herself to surgery medication for the use on her own children, its gross misconduct for a start giving restricted drugs to family members and theft because nobody would have authorised her to take the drugs

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

It's documented that there were sedatives and a syringe kit in the apartment...that the twins didn't move a muscle or stir for hours despite dozens of people and lots of noise in the apartment...that Kate wouldn't give the twins' hair samples over to be tested for 6 months, by which time no trace of any drugs were found (as you would expect from such a time lapse).

The police files are a real eye-opener - the physical and suppositional evidence against the McCanns makes you wonder why on earth they aren't behind bars. But then they left Portugal as soon as they were made arguidos (formal suspects)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know all this?

Because it's all in the police files - the ones that the British press never refer to or mention. Factual reading and easily found online."
So your total factual record is based on web based research ?

You could also read the sun to supplement your ramblings!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know all this?

Because it's all in the police files - the ones that the British press never refer to or mention. Factual reading and easily found online.

I didn't know police files are available on the Internet. I thought they were confidential papers? "

They're Portuguese police files which have been translated

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

Just where is it documented?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*as the hysterical woman at the back of the public meeting*

"But that about the children?!"

Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?

Of course not - in an ideal world.

But I'm reflecting not on an ideal but on the hysteria of the debate here, which is characterised by some truly horrific language and lack of understanding.

You might ask "Do you think it is hysterical for a person to think a child should be safe with their parents?"

I might also ask do you think the McCanns wanted this to happen?

I have no doubt that unless they were evil people that they would never have wanted this to happen no.

We can't say we have never made mistakes bringing our kids up, but one thing we wouldn't have done was what they did, abroad or at home.

Right. Agreed. No-one's perfect.

I find it difficult to swallow that they were ultimately responsible - any more than the parents of Jamie Bulger were responsible for their child's death.

It's a terrible, horrible thing that happened. But you can't watch a child 24/7.

But I don't think that a sustained campaign of vitriol against a grief-stricken family is in any way appropriate.

A little context...

Eilis O'Hanlon wrote that the disappearance "could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Media_coverage

The McCanns will live with this for the rest of their lives, long after we've all forgotten about the case like yesterday's fish and chips wrapping.

Only thing I will add is that they deliberately left their children unattended.

I'm sure lots of us won't admit it but have also left thier children unattended.

I agree the guilt they must carry is punishment enogh. Xxx

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By *ubbykittenWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

It certainly sounds weird I agree. But I am leaning towards the likelihood of accidental death due to medication overload rather than calculated murder. Neither of course, being Maddie back !Not withstanding the fact they shouldn't have had prescription drugs in the first place (if that is what the police files state) but you would expect a doctor to know exactly what the correct dose is! Unless it was deliberate and then I cannot fathom out the motive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you know all this?

Because it's all in the police files - the ones that the British press never refer to or mention. Factual reading and easily found online. So your total factual record is based on web based research ?

You could also read the sun to supplement your ramblings!"

Nope. I've read the official Portuguese police files which have been translated and are available online. Heavy reading of facts, statements and evidence. Reading it on the internet doesn't negate it's accuracy, it merely means it's available to the masses.

Apologies if you think I've rambled on by providing you with source material to enlighten you. I'll let you return to what the Murdoch group choose to spoon feed the gullible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now here's the thing.

Nobody is going to know the truth until the parents start talking.

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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago

Babbacombe Torquay

"Now here's the thing.

Nobody is going to know the truth until the parents start talking. "

Only if they get another book deal....

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

Just where is it documented?"

Google McCann PJ Files for the translated police file, as I'm not sure if the link is allowed.

Thousands of documents to get through so good luck...I'm not adding any more as you can do you own research and draw your own conclusions once you've read the evidence. Or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I know is I feel very sorry for Maddies siblings, growing up in the shadow of this. They may not have lost their lives, but certainly would have lost a significant piece of their childhood.

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over a year ago

"Whether they are coming sidereal guilty of neglect or not is one matter.

However I cannot see what motive they would have to murder their daughter?

That is against the law for a start

The fact she was self treating her own children should have got her struck off at best, time in jail at worse

I have no idea how they got away with this

Well do we know they dispense to their own children? Are we calling over the counter medications such as calpol which any parent might give or stronger?

Just where is it documented?

Google McCann PJ Files for the translated police file, as I'm not sure if the link is allowed.

Thousands of documents to get through so good luck...I'm not adding any more as you can do you own research and draw your own conclusions once you've read the evidence. Or not.

Thanks

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over a year ago

"All I know is I feel very sorry for Maddies siblings, growing up in the shadow of this. They may not have lost their lives, but certainly would have lost a significant piece of their childhood. "

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

If the mccanns had been working class or living on a council estate would they have been granted an audience with the Pope, Doubtful. I'm sure they wouldn't have got such attention either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a personal note jerry McCann has always since the very first time I saw him got my hackle's up, I've just never liked the guy... So I'm biased but yeah he's well dodgy....

Who goes on a family holiday with people you've hardly ever met or got any social interaction with unless there.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyhow enough speculation....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Swingers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anybody (whop hasn't already)

NEED to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs

If you cannot click the link ..copy and paste it.

It's a documentary by an independent investigator (Richard D Hall) into the "disappearance" of Maddy Mcann.

It's 4 hours long, but well worth the watch.

How they have never been brought to trial is beyond me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like prefer Rich's work on UFOs investigations..... Although he did seem to get stuck into the McCanns you can't beat a bit of alien abductions

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning..

ditto..

heaven forbid we even went camping with family and friends and when the kids were all tucked up we would sit at the front having a drink and a natter..

no one ever went round the back of the tents to check mind..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"will there be a stoning..?

those who have never had kids can come along and stone too..

good for the soul a stoning..

Just because people condemn a couple for being out eating while their three children under five slept in an unlocked room doesn't mean they are stoning them"

yep fair point, maybe I should have said about 'drowning in piss'..

my above was a tad sarcastic obviously but this subject always leads to a certain type of vilification..

for the record, stoning is a barbaric act clearly..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anybody (whop hasn't already)

NEED to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs

If you cannot click the link ..copy and paste it.

It's a documentary by an independent investigator (Richard D Hall) into the "disappearance" of Maddy Mcann.

It's 4 hours long, but well worth the watch.

How they have never been brought to trial is beyond me. "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

if there is so much evidence and people have investigated them to the point they have enough material to make a 4 hour video detailing their guilt then why have they not been arrested yet..

surely the police team would have looked at all such evidence? We would expect them to where this a historical sexual abuse case by a 'celebrity'..

surely their 'friends' in high places be they mp's or whomever have also looked at such stuff, if its so damning then how are they being protected..?

the police will act if they are informed and there is a case to answer..

why has no one informed them? If the evidence is so strong that it will prove their guilt then no one need fear being gagged or sued?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

But what if those opinions are uninformed, foolish or malicious?

.."

To who? You? That doesn't mean they are what you say they are.

You have sneered a few times on this thread but I don't think you have actually quoted anyone when doing it. If you quote the ones you mean I will be able to give an answer.

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By *ongtalljonMan
over a year ago

North Wales

Recently, I read a little about the McCann case.

I found it al to be very disturbing.

Of course, it's all rumours and heresay but on the whole, there is very little sympathy towards the McCanns, there are many, many people who doubt the McCanns and indeed many of the facts just simply don't add up.

Everything that I've read left a very nasty taste in the mouth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the truth of the lie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I too have read all the police files. They are a real eye opener. Although I'm not 100% sure of their guilt the evidence and the way they behaved after the " disappearance " makes me wonder how some people are found guilty of a crime with a lot less evidence.

One day hopefully the truth will out.

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By *uckOfTheBayMan
over a year ago

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"Recently, I read a little about the McCann case.

I found it al to be very disturbing.

Everything that I've read left a very nasty taste in the mouth.

That's what rumours and hearsay do

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

"All I know is I feel very sorry for Maddies siblings, growing up in the shadow of this. They may not have lost their lives, but certainly would have lost a significant piece of their childhood. "

It's a strong inducement to not annoy Mummy and Daddy's "our time"

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over a year ago

"Anybody (whop hasn't already)

NEED to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs

If you cannot click the link ..copy and paste it.

It's a documentary by an independent investigator (Richard D Hall) into the "disappearance" of Maddy Mcann.

It's 4 hours long, but well worth the watch.

How they have never been brought to trial is beyond me.

Im half way through this...interesting stuff!

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over a year ago

"Anybody (whop hasn't already)

NEED to watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PltuL0ICkzs

If you cannot click the link ..copy and paste it.

It's a documentary by an independent investigator (Richard D Hall) into the "disappearance" of Maddy Mcann.

It's 4 hours long, but well worth the watch.

How they have never been brought to trial is beyond me.

Im half way through this...interesting stuff!

I'll say something...

This is just my theory.

No matter how ridiculous this might sound..it's my opinion..

I think the father was MI6.

One of those 2, either the mother or father, knows somebody with SERIOUS clout.

The way things have been covered up, could not be covered up, in the speed it has been, without SERIOUS help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think something many people are unaware of is that the British police who have neen active in this case have no jurisdiction to investigate a crime commuted overseas unless both the victim and prge alleged perpetrator ate British citizens

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

But what if those opinions are uninformed, foolish or malicious?

To who? You? That doesn't mean they are what you say they are.

You have sneered a few times on this thread but I don't think you have actually quoted anyone when doing it. If you quote the ones you mean I will be able to give an answer.

It's a highly emotive subject and I have no desire to get into an debate with the kind of vitriolic conspiracy nonsense that fills The Express.

Our convo has been one of the more enlightening interludes in the thread and I'm glad to have had the opportunity to raise some sensible points - but this interlude has only been possible because of who you are.

Two points:

1/ this thread isn't about me, it's about the disappearance and probable murder of a small girl.

2/ my take on it concerns the public reaction to it.

I think the last point tells us more about ourselves than it does about the case, which may never be solved.

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