FabSwingers.com forum: Spirits & Psychics

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Now before I go into this, I should start by saying I've always been a non-believer. I've always seen the "psychics" as being either con artists or delusional, and the believers as gullible and being taken advantage of.

Anyway, yesterday I got a message from my cousin. She works in an inbound call centre where she took a call from a lady, and after dealing with her enquiry, this woman said "Does the year 1927 mean anything to you?". It's the year our Nan was born, she died almost 10 years ago. The woman on the phone explained that she "gets messages from the other side", and said she had a small lady communicating with her, with a message for my cousin. The woman on the phone said the small lady only had 9 toes... our Nan had one removed after problems with her feet. She then passed on the normal things you hear... she's watching over you all etc.

I've always been a huge skeptic, but this has really thrown me. I normally take the mickey out of how these psychics work, it all so often seems like guesswork and them following the client's reactions. But this woman knew my Nan was tiny, knew her year of birth, and knew about her toes... from the other end of the phone where she couldn't get any cues. Now I don't know what to think.

Opinions and experiences please?

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By *tudmcmuffinMan
over a year ago

Swindon

Sounds legit on the face of it but I would need to hear the whole conversation to be swayed to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a lot of fakes out there with usual.....they had a cat/dog routine and there are many genuine psychics aswell.

I had a reading done last year, she told me things that there's no way on this earth she would have guessed in a million years.

Having been told that about yr nans toe I would say she was genuine..

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By *lla_maiWoman
over a year ago

staffordshire

Ive always been on the fence regarding things like this.

My mums a great believer though and once got told that her daughter was pregnant......ok it wasnt quite right as it was actually my cousin, but we were all of similar age and grew up together with myself and sister always going to my auntie and my aunties daughters always going to my mum (like we swapped lol)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having a woman tell me (mr) something's a few years back TOTALLY changed my mindset.

Was a TOTAL skeptic.

Randomly met a woman, she told me things nobody could know.

I know about "cold reading" techniques I had to learn certain aspects for work years back but this was non cold reading information.

Now I'm like the x files says "a believer".

Defo not a beleiber however. I'd cross a busy road to punch him. Hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree there are so many fakes & scammers out there so totally understand why people are disbelieving...I was too, until I had a reading a year after I lost my mum, some of the things she told me there is no way she could have known, so much so that I had another reading with her on the phone a few years later when I lost my dad....again the details were so so accurate & personal she couldn't have known them

actually on both occassions the messages gave me a huge sense of peace after struggling with my grief that it was completely worth it just for that x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I truly believe in all of this I was told things nobody else knew or could of known it threw me for a while but I understood it all.... I really want to go and see a psychic but in all honesty I'm scared to do so I just want to know my dad is ok I can't believe in December it will be a year since he passed I miss him terribly and I was always there for him I need to know he's safe x

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By *corpio67Man
over a year ago

hillingdon

Watch psychic detectives!!!

Spooky!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Uh huh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do believe in this. But also take some I am told with a pinch of salt.

I did have a few readings with one lady who told me things she couldn't know because I lived out of the area at the time she was talking about and I didn't know her st all.

She was the first person to give me a reading I could believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in it. I've written my experience a few times but will write it again for the sake of the thread.

Went to have a reading off a well known local psychic, he couldn't read me and wouldn't take my money.

I went to Newquay in Cornwall and my friend had a reading and paid, came to do me and the woman said she couldn't read me.

Went to a psychic party where the psychic stood to make £35 off each of us, my friend went first, no problem, then my turn, guy couldn't read me, said I made his guide go away and he literally packed up his stuff and went. Lost out on 8 lots of 35 quid cos that's how many of us were going to have readings.

Went to the shop that sells tarot cards and things and the woman is also a psychic, she told me she couldn't read me, my friend bought angel cards and when she thought I was out of earshot she said to my friend, don't let her touch these cards and put her energy on them! I was like nah this ain't on now, she told me I should find a spiritualist church so I went along to one meeting, about 10 of us in a circle sort of meditating. The woman that was running it said after 10 minutes that her spirit guide usually walks round the circle behind each of us but spent the whole 10 minutes stood behind me, she said I'm under psychic attack, that it looked like a black storm cloud all around me, she asked if I'd meddled in magic and I told her about how a few years previous when I was pregnant and my ex and I split up I paid some American online witch to cast a spell and send me this candle thing to make him come back to me!

I had to have loads of raiki (spelling?) healing to try and get rid of this attack thing and then after that I was able to have a reading!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Had a lady, complete stranger relay the gist of a conversation I had had with a staff nurse and Mrs Surrey at mums bedside as she was dying 12 years after it happened and it was 250 mile away from here..

I asked if we could increase the morphine to help her pain, she went the next morning and we were all waiting for the inevitable. I had till that time felt guilty for asking the question even though I knew what the answer would be..

I hadn't even discussed it with my brothers and sisters as I felt bad about it..

there was no way she could have known what had happened, taking a punt on something so specific just isn't feasible..

she also used a version of my name that mum used to use because quite honestly when the usual version was said I wasn't paying attention, np one in my family uses it only mum did..

she also had mums name and that there had been a new baby in the family and the gender within the week, it was all too exact..

who knows..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wasn't going to post because I thought people will think I'm bull shitting. I had a reading that I didn't even ask for after a knock on my door 20 years ago. I thought it was a bit weird and a load of nonsense but what she predicted has come true against all odds.

She was an old lady selling heather (seriously) or something like that which I rudely refused to buy thinking she would give me some grief then go but she was very pleasant with me.

They were predictions of how my life would change massively for the better, but I really don't know how anyone could of guessed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wasn't going to post because I thought people will think I'm bull shitting. I had a reading that I didn't even ask for after a knock on my door 20 years ago. I thought it was a bit weird and a load of nonsense but what she predicted has come true against all odds.

She was an old lady selling heather (seriously) or something like that which I rudely refused to buy thinking she would give me some grief then go but she was very pleasant with me.

They were predictions of how my life would change massively for the better, but I really don't know how anyone could of guessed. "

Did she predict you shagging a welsh bird?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Now before I go into this, I should start by saying I've always been a non-believer. I've always seen the "psychics" as being either con artists or delusional, and the believers as gullible and being taken advantage of.

Opinions and experiences please?"

My opinion is somebody is making stuff up xxx one thing I'm certain about is nobodies now dead nan has spoken to any lady xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was an old lady selling heather (seriously) or something like that which I rudely refused to buy thinking she would give me some grief then go but she was very pleasant with me.

They were predictions of how my life would change massively for the better, but I really don't know how anyone could of guessed.

Did she predict you shagging a welsh bird?"

Ha ha ha! Message me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My sister saw a psychic around 25 years ago who sat and told her word for word a story that my nana used to tell us when we were little girls (a story about a part of her life, not a popular children's story) and finished it my laughing and saying the exact phrase my nana always used to say to us.

I saw the same psychic around 10 years later and she told me all about my nana and the circumstances of her death, but then went on to talk to me about something which had been haunting me for years which I hadn't really spoke to anyone about.

I've seen her a few times now and so has my sister, although we are both quite tuned in to stuff too and often get little messages or signals from nana too. It's very comforting

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

But you shouldn't fuck around with people for money, only for pleasure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

I think there are probably 100 fakes for every genuine medium, if not more. But I know this woman is genuine

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

I think there are probably 100 fakes for every genuine medium, if not more. But I know this woman is genuine

I very much doubt that, convincing maybe , knowledgeable absolutely , talking to a dead person I think not

How bad is that person to convince you she is ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

I think there are probably 100 fakes for every genuine medium, if not more. But I know this woman is genuine

I very much doubt that, convincing maybe , knowledgeable absolutely , talking to a dead person I think not

How bad is that person to convince you she is ?

How would she know a phrase my nana used to say to my sister years before she met her? And a story of something that happened to my nana that she used to tell us?

It's not about being convincing, she's genuine as are many others

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

I think there are probably 100 fakes for every genuine medium, if not more. But I know this woman is genuine

I very much doubt that, convincing maybe , knowledgeable absolutely , talking to a dead person I think not

How bad is that person to convince you she is ?

How would she know a phrase my nana used to say to my sister years before she met her? And a story of something that happened to my nana that she used to tell us?

It's not about being convincing, she's genuine as are many others "

She did research xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

I think there are probably 100 fakes for every genuine medium, if not more. But I know this woman is genuine

I very much doubt that, convincing maybe , knowledgeable absolutely , talking to a dead person I think not

How bad is that person to convince you she is ?

How would she know a phrase my nana used to say to my sister years before she met her? And a story of something that happened to my nana that she used to tell us?

It's not about being convincing, she's genuine as are many others

She did research xxx"

Research on what?!? We are talking about private moments between us and our nana when we were children. It's not like it's published.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously - anyone here have a six foot nan?

Didn't think so...

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"She did research xxx"

You don't believe, and that's fine.

Others do and there's no need to knock it.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I was involved in a seance when I was a teenager and stuff came out that made no sense to any of us.

When I told my Mum about it later she knew what it all meant.

I do believe there is more than science can explain sometimes.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I was involved in a seance when I was a teenager and stuff came out that made no sense to any of us.

When I told my Mum about it later she knew what it all meant.

I do believe there is more than science can explain sometimes."

You're right I don't know how Derren brown does exactly the same act xxx but he does not speak to dead people

Have you actually tested I think we could devise a test that would illustrate they are not talking to your grandma xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah here's a test. I'll arm you with more information about my nana than what she had when my sister met her 25 years ago. Then I'll give you 50 guesses as to the phrase my nana used to say to us as children, and you won't get it right. You won't even get close.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe simple as that

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Yeah here's a test. I'll arm you with more information about my nana than what she had when my sister met her 25 years ago. Then I'll give you 50 guesses as to the phrase my nana used to say to us as children, and you won't get it right. You won't even get close."

I did not mean test me I'm not a con artist xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did not mean test me I'm not a con artist xxx

Neither is she. Thanks for your comments but my faith isn't for breaking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A friend convinced me to see a medium after i lost my dad and partner within six months of each and the things that she told me she just couldnt have known

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmmmmm......

People will believe anything when they really want it to be true x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hmmmmmmm......

People will believe anything when they really want it to be true x"

your entitled to your opinion but i stand by what i said

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Hmmmmmmm......

People will believe anything when they really want it to be true x"

undoubtedly there are those who are desperate for some answers or just to feel assured or whatever about someone they have lost and seek out those things, there are those who will prey on such things too..

personally speaking I wasn't looking for anything, I was firmly of the opinion that when our physical body ceases to live then that's it..

i'm basically an atheist and don't believe in 'life' after death even now, the decision to see what it was about was purely out of curiosity.

the depth and accuracy that a total stranger was able to relay in such specific terms for something that took place 12 yrs previous and 250 mile away could never had been 'researched', it wasn't a fishing exercise and I took the bait which led to whatever..

it was accurate and concise and believe me I don't know how it happened and have gone over it in detail doing the 'what if' thing..

but it happened..

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Bit of a funny one.

Back story.

When I was born we had a dog named Shane a border collie, it became my protector so to speak.

In my late teens we had another border collie, I was upstairs running a bath, when I heard a dog walk in the back kitchen, up the stairs and into my bedroom and flop down, I saw a border collie pass the bathroom door. When I went into my bedroom there was nothing there, our dog was in the kennel in the garden.

Last year I was in our flat with our new dog. I heard a dog walk from the front door along the corridor to our bedroom. I looked at our dog in the sofa as she looked at me, so I don't see people I see the family dog.

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By *mber GamblerCouple
over a year ago

rugby

Apparently derren brown does a good documentary on debunking psychics.

I need to watch it, as I don't believe any of that stuff. I find it very interesting how people can be fooled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently derren brown does a good documentary on debunking psychics.

I need to watch it, as I don't believe any of that stuff. I find it very interesting how people can be fooled."

I've read a book of his where he debunks the frauds. And he nails his point.

I believe there are genuine people around. But there are also fakes.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Apparently derren brown does a good documentary on debunking psychics.

I need to watch it, as I don't believe any of that stuff. I find it very interesting how people can be fooled.

I've read a book of his where he debunks the frauds. And he nails his point.

I believe there are genuine people around. But there are also fakes.

No 'genuine' psychic has ever illustrated their ability to be genuine under lab conditions

Due to the apparent controversy one would hope a honest genuine person would illustrate to the world that the claim is not snake oil tricks but a genuine phenomenon

The fact no one has , linked with the fact that there are proven techniques designed to confound us is for me rather convincing that dead people do not communicate and that those who say they are are lying through their manipulative teeth xxx

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Apparently derren brown does a good documentary on debunking psychics.

I need to watch it, as I don't believe any of that stuff. I find it very interesting how people can be fooled.

I've read a book of his where he debunks the frauds. And he nails his point.

I believe there are genuine people around. But there are also fakes.

No 'genuine' psychic has ever illustrated their ability to be genuine under lab conditions

Due to the apparent controversy one would hope a honest genuine person would illustrate to the world that the claim is not snake oil tricks but a genuine phenomenon

Correct

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

A short interview with the master:

Debunking Psychics - Derren Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4uBqdLaXI

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never seen a non believer convinced and then changes his mind if presented with evidence.

I have seen a true dedicated believer turned into a sceptic or even a non believer because of some fraud or con out there.

I think a lot if faith rather than having proof.

The argument is always going to side with those that ask for proof.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've never seen a non believer convinced and then changes his mind if presented with evidence.

I have seen a true dedicated believer turned into a sceptic or even a non believer because of some fraud or con out there.

I think a lot if faith rather than having proof.

The argument is always going to side with those that ask for proof. "

No - it is up to those who believe in such nonsense to prove their case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A short interview with the master:

Debunking Psychics - Derren Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4uBqdLaXI

I have watched this clip before. In an earlier life I worked in a large provincial theatre which had so called Psychic events. Up wards of 1700 people would attend and the timing of the show would be late so that the dozen or so spotters could mingle with audience in bars, foyers and auditorium picking up bits of information and names so the poor and vulnerable attendees could be duped into thinking this rubbish was true. Typically this performer never had contact from the other side with anyone whose name was not of Anglo Saxon origin!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"A short interview with the master:

Debunking Psychics - Derren Brown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4uBqdLaXI

People want to believe.

And other people take advantage of this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No - it is up to those who believe in such nonsense to prove their case.

Or you might have heard this once before. 'Prove it's not real'

So there we are, a childish merrygo round.

I said before, I don't argue my points on this subject, as it's something you believing or not. I can tell you experiences and things I've seen/heard that have ME believe that I think it's true. Yes, I said 'I think it's true'. My soul/spirit will live on. I'm not sure I'd want to come back and talk to talk

I've also seen proof that some people are frauds and fakes also. You know Yin & Yang.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs l was/is a believer she sore a guy a few years ago just after her dad died and we were going through a rough patch,

About a month later her mom went to see the same guy, as she left he said can you tell l to come in please, her mom said she's not here he she is sat outside tell her to come in please, she went out and the Mrs was sat there and her mom didn't even know so there is no way he could of known, he then gave the wife a reading for about 10 minutes all free off charge

She then started going to spiritualists church and the fakes and phoneys there really knocked her believes, and she has lost interest in it now, but still believes but accepts most are frauds just trying to con people, but does believe some people can talk to the dead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No - it is up to those who believe in such nonsense to prove their case.

No it isn't. Those who believe in this kind of thing who are content in their belief and are not trying to convince others don't have to prove anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not a believe but I do think anyone who can speak to the dead or whatever it is will do it for free, like the woman on the phone in the op, i think the frauds are the ones that ONLY do it for money

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

No - it is up to those who believe in such nonsense to prove their case.

No it isn't. Those who believe in this kind of thing who are content in their belief and are not trying to convince others don't have to prove anything. "

You can make the same argument for say I should *prove* God exists.

No, it's up to the prosecution to make their case, and for the skeptics to rip it apart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing"

You've stated the problem in your answer:

"some people will take advantage"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing

You've stated the problem in your answer:

"some people will take advantage""

Yeah but my question is is it really that bad to have a belief?

In my opinion the church takes advantage of people with their lies of an almighty god, but catholics don't get the mocking that spiritualists get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No - it is up to those who believe in such nonsense to prove their case.

No it isn't. Those who believe in this kind of thing who are content in their belief and are not trying to convince others don't have to prove anything.

You can make the same argument for say I should *prove* God exists.

No, it's up to the prosecution to make their case, and for the skeptics to rip it apart.

Again I disagree with you. They only need to prove their case if they attempt to impose their 'God' on you in some way.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing

You've stated the problem in your answer:

"some people will take advantage"

Yeah but my question is is it really that bad to have a belief?

In my opinion the church takes advantage of people with their lies of an almighty god, but catholics don't get the mocking that spiritualists get"

Absolutely.

Just because one side have the might of history and wealth while the other side have (possibly) well-meaning notions...

Doesn't mean that both are not deluded.

Just a thought.

People don;t half believe in some shit.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I'm not a believe but I do think anyone who can speak to the dead or whatever it is will do it for free, like the woman on the phone in the op, i think the frauds are the ones that ONLY do it for money"

Money is not the only reward u.at humans desire. Respect , fame , dependence , power, control , status , to feel special are all motives that people with manipulate others xxx

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

There are many, many things that we don’t know. In science, the “Big Bang Theory” and the “Standard Model” are known to be seriously flawed, not true (the dark universe and gravity).

We can perceive three dimensions – length, breadth and height. It is a proven fact (mathematically) that there are another eight dimensions that we are not aware of, and can’t even build machines to “look” at yet. Its a bit like the surface of the sea. If everything under it was in another dimension, we wouldn’t even know it existed. We could only see the tips of icebergs. The Titanic hit the under-water part of one and sank. But if we couldn’t perceive what was in the “underwater dimension”, the sinking would be a complete mystery. She was many meters away from the above-water, visible, part of the iceberg at he time.

I believe that the Big Bang Theory and the Standard Model don’t work because they don’t take into account information which is inaccessible in one or more of the eight “hidden” dimensions. Likewise “paranormal” phenomena. We CAN access one or more of the hidden dimensions, most commonly as deja vu. But we don’t know how we do it. Mediums, seers, etc., have more frequent, and perhaps controlled, access than most of us. But there is no way that they can describe how they do it. Explain how you see colours! We have names for our sense organs; eyes, ears, nose. I would guess that “seeing” is something like an other-dimension “radio receiver” in our brains. It is impossible to describe “sight” to someone who has always been blind. The mediums’ use of “spirit guides” is an attempt to portray how they receive other-dimension information. It’s a rationalisation, and may be either conscious or unconscious. Some people are able to accept this analogy as fact, others, like myself, are not. But there can be no possible doubt whatsoever that the ability to access other dimensions not only exists, but is in fact, quite common.

Someday, I hope soon, a lucky scientist is going to accidentally detect other- dimension “radio waves”, and all will be revealed! At long last!

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There are many, many things that we don’t know. In science, the “Big Bang Theory” and the “Standard Model” are known to be seriously flawed, not true (the dark universe and gravity).

Someday, I hope soon, a lucky scientist is going to accidentally detect other- dimension “radio waves”, and all will be revealed! At long last!"

I'd like to give a considered response point by point to that but... just...

LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing

You've stated the problem in your answer:

"some people will take advantage"

Yeah but my question is is it really that bad to have a belief?

In my opinion the church takes advantage of people with their lies of an almighty god, but catholics don't get the mocking that spiritualists get

Absolutely.

Just because one side have the might of history and wealth while the other side have (possibly) well-meaning notions...

Doesn't mean that both are not deluded.

Just a thought.

People don;t half believe in some shit.

People do beleive in some right shit and I agree it isn't real

But again my question is is it bad to have a belief? I kind of envy them a little bit, they have a reassurance that everything is going to be ok and there is a peace in that

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing

You've stated the problem in your answer:

"some people will take advantage"

Yeah but my question is is it really that bad to have a belief?

In my opinion the church takes advantage of people with their lies of an almighty god, but catholics don't get the mocking that spiritualists get

Absolutely.

Just because one side have the might of history and wealth while the other side have (possibly) well-meaning notions...

Doesn't mean that both are not deluded.

Just a thought.

People don;t half believe in some shit.

People do beleive in some right shit and I agree it isn't real

But again my question is is it bad to have a belief? I kind of envy them a little bit, they have a reassurance that everything is going to be ok and there is a peace in that"

I could believe that a celestial tea pot orbits the Sun beyond the range of our telescopes... doesn't make it real.

The philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of *disproof* to others.

Well known fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The randi foundation put up a one million dollar reward from the 60s to anybody who could demonstrate paranormal or super natural abilities, thousands tried none succeeded.

Make your own mind up

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By *unkymancMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Open Facebook profiles make gullible people even more susceptible to this bullplop. My sister=in-law goes to them for fun. I'd never give them money or the time of day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mrs l was/is a believer she sore a guy a few years ago just after her dad died and we were going through a rough patch,

Something very similar. And before Facebook and social media.

A woman just started talking to me. Very specific about LOTS of things.

I didn't pay her a penny. That was one exoerience.

The sad thing is you grow older and lose sensitivity to things. And your brain starts asking for certainty. (Or proof as Some will say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

Non other than Albert Einstein as part of his most important work theorised the link between space and time. The theory in effect means that time is not an independent factor leading to his assertion that past present and future in the way we perceive it is just an illusion.

In effect that means that everything that has ever happened and will ever happen is happening right now in this moment. Mind boggling, I know, but it's accepted as one of the most important theories in physics.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

You misrepresent a scientific genius with that analysis.

Einstein made the link that space and time are flip sides of the same substance, ie that a 3-dimensional space is actually 4 dimensions.

Not an portal to metaphizzical whatevers.

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over a year ago

I know but. Sensible shit like that isn't wanted around this thread. ^

Like somebody else once said 'it's a theory, now prove it!'

Einstein

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

I'd like to give a considered response point by point to that but... just...

LOL"

Please go ahead. I am seriously interested in the possible explanations about why the scientists have got it wrong so far

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over a year ago

I'd like to give a considered response point by point to that but... just...

LOL"

If you accept the validity of Mathematics then the existence of other dimensions is proven.

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'd like to give a considered response point by point to that but... just...

LOL

Please go ahead. I am seriously interested in the possible explanations about why the scientists have got it wrong so far"

In the words of Prof Dawkins:

"Science: it works, bitches!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

You misrepresent a scientific genius with that analysis.

Einstein made the link that space and time are flip sides of the same substance, ie that a 3-dimensional space is actually 4 dimensions.

Not an portal to metaphizzical whatevers. "

You are attempting to misrepresent what I have written. Simply read it again for clarity. Einstein was clear in his assertion that past present and future as we have traditionally perceived them are an illusion.

I have no way stated that he suggested a portal. His theory though does show a way that science may one day explain aspects of this phenomenon.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

You misrepresent a scientific genius with that analysis.

Einstein made the link that space and time are flip sides of the same substance, ie that a 3-dimensional space is actually 4 dimensions.

Not an portal to metaphizzical whatevers.

I have no way stated that he suggested a portal. His theory though does show a way that science may one day explain aspects of this phenomenon. "

You misunderstand the theory of General Relativity.

Have a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I assume you mean "In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes:

Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence."

Trouble is, this interpretation of Einstein's remark (taken out of context) is only ever repeated by New-Age websites.

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over a year ago

"I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

You misrepresent a scientific genius with that analysis.

Einstein made the link that space and time are flip sides of the same substance, ie that a 3-dimensional space is actually 4 dimensions.

Not an portal to metaphizzical whatevers.

I have no way stated that he suggested a portal. His theory though does show a way that science may one day explain aspects of this phenomenon.

You misunderstand the theory of General Relativity.

Have a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity"

I've studied this as well as a number of his later theories, have you?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

You misrepresent a scientific genius with that analysis.

Einstein made the link that space and time are flip sides of the same substance, ie that a 3-dimensional space is actually 4 dimensions.

Not an portal to metaphizzical whatevers.

I have no way stated that he suggested a portal. His theory though does show a way that science may one day explain aspects of this phenomenon.

You misunderstand the theory of General Relativity.

Have a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

I've studied this as well as a number of his later theories, have you? "

Yes

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Sorry. I should have said mathematical "THEORIES". The Standard Model, Big Bang, and multiple dimension theories have not yet been proven. They are just exercises in logic. Paranormal phenomena may well be the manifestation of something completely different from other dimensions. My post was an attempt to show a possible reason for the scientists' lack of understand of the basis of existence. We still don't have a PROVEN theory of everything. Lots and lots of facts, but no comprehensive way of linking them together.

Scientists don’t investigate the paranormal because the evidence is intangible; brain activity monitors are still way too clumsy. Maxwell published his theory of radio in 1864, but it wasn’t until 1887 that Hertz was able to build the kit that proved that the theory was correct. The purpose of the Large Hadron Collider is to improve the Standard Model theory.

You will be unusual if you haven’t experienced deja vu. It’s a very common paranormal phenomenon. How do you explain it? If you acquired information that would be useful to other people, how could you explain the source to them in a graphical, meaningful way? Where did the knowledge come from? Well, maybe you could say it was from a dead person, or maybe a spirit guide, or may be dimensions that also contain the answers the scientists’ prayers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I consider that science has/may come up with a theory that shows all of this to be possible.

For me I don't have to believe that people are communicating with the dead, I just have to consider that some may be able to access another moment happening right now in another'space-time'.

I am less of a sceptic than I once was.

You misrepresent a scientific genius with that analysis.

Einstein made the link that space and time are flip sides of the same substance, ie that a 3-dimensional space is actually 4 dimensions.

Not an portal to metaphizzical whatevers.

I have no way stated that he suggested a portal. His theory though does show a way that science may one day explain aspects of this phenomenon.

You misunderstand the theory of General Relativity.

Have a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

I've studied this as well as a number of his later theories, have you?

Yes

Then it's difficult for me to accept that you are not attempting to twist his and the view of many other eminent physicists with regard to their view on 'the illusion' of past, present and future.

You may have reached a view that I am trying to convince you that people can communicate with the dead, I am not.

I am however of the opinion that there is a lot we do not know on this subject and science may one day explain parts of it.

700 years ago we knew the world was flat, what will we know tomorrow.

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over a year ago

700 years ago we knew the world was flat, what will we know tomorrow. "
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Nah the church said it was flat most people going off data said it was round including the Greek empire 2000 years plus.

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over a year ago

Before you can make any theories or assertions, you have to tell me what is this paranormal phenomena you are talking about?.

As yet I've never seen any recorded evidence they exist!... It's just hearsay and speculation and frankly there's so much of that about its hardly worth bothering with

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd need to have the details of all other such conversations that the telephone calling woman had had with others, in order to put her'psychic' messages in context.

Psychics have been evaluated worldwide and the evidence is, you may not be surprised to know, almost non-existent for any of it.

If the caller and come on and said the full name and date of birth of someone, alongside her other details such as address, it would appear like someone was getting something that could be more reliable.

James Randi had a million dollars as a prize for any one who could demonstrate their abilities - some tried but most were proved as frauds or couldn't do it - from the times when a million was worth far more than today.

Sure, there are things that we don't understand in the world but it's so likely that when we die, the person created by our brains dies at the same time.

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over a year ago

"Before you can make any theories or assertions, you have to tell me what is this paranormal phenomena you are talking about?.

As yet I've never seen any recorded evidence they exist!... It's just hearsay and speculation and frankly there's so much of that about its hardly worth bothering with"

What is the universe made of? We actually do not know. We have lots of theories and it's all around us but no one knows. Theories often come before so called proof.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Also is it really a bad thing to beleive in? It helped wife deal with losing her dad and made her feel better to think that he was safe and watching over her and helped her cope with his death

Is that really a bad thing to believe?

I know some people will take advantage of that but I don't think actually beleiving is a bad thing"

I think if people gain comfort and make sense of the world like that, then it's certainly a good thing for them, if it's right for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd need to have the details of all other such conversations that the telephone calling woman had had with others, in order to put her'psychic' messages in context.

Psychics have been evaluated worldwide and the evidence is, you may not be surprised to know, almost non-existent for any of it.

Sure, there are things that we don't understand in the world but it's so likely that when we die, the person created by our brains dies at the same time. "

I can't argue with this post.

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over a year ago

"Before you can make any theories or assertions, you have to tell me what is this paranormal phenomena you are talking about?.

As yet I've never seen any recorded evidence they exist!... It's just hearsay and speculation and frankly there's so much of that about its hardly worth bothering with

What is the universe made of? We actually do not know. We have lots of theories and it's all around us but no one knows. Theories often come before so called proof. "
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No that's not what I asked, I asked what is this phenomenon you want to have a theory for.... Like rainbows and solar eclipse, phenomena you can show to people but not explain.... Or like UFO phenomenon where maybe 1000s of people witness something they can't explain....

But one person saying something about what they experienced isn't really a phenomena and it's certainly one not worth investigating or making up theories for

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"I'd need to have the details of all other such conversations that the telephone calling woman had had with others, in order to put her'psychic' messages in context.

Psychics have been evaluated worldwide and the evidence is, you may not be surprised to know, almost non-existent for any of it.

Sure, there are things that we don't understand in the world but it's so likely that when we die, the person created by our brains dies at the same time. "

Sounds reasonable.

Reminds me of a comment made by someone on here previously.

'How come ghosts wear clothes?'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'How come ghosts wear clothes?'"

So they don't get cold. Duh!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If my relatives are watching over me, then I hope they like watching men wank.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If my relatives are watching over me, then I hope they like watching men wank.

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What even if there not dead?

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over a year ago

"If my relatives are watching over me, then I hope they like watching men wank.

What even if there not dead?"

*they're.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

When someone mentions something you either believe or don,t on this occasion years later my mum told me of a old man who lived in the same house before we did and had a limp, often my mum heard him going up the stairs unaware of how on occasions during that period as a youngster I would feel his presence in my bedroom and as thou is hand was just above my shoulder my bed sheets were soaked in sweat from fear or apprehension knowing I was not alone thou I never saw him his presence was like a beacon at times it may have been his old room and just liked me being there this happened a number of times I never said anything at the time and as I said before the walking up the stairs part I was totally unaware off for good reasons I suppose...

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

My dictionary defines paranormal as being “beyond normal explanation”.

For a couple of thousand years people believed that illness was caused by “fluxes”, but had no idea how they worked. Fluxes were paranormal. But people got sick all the time.

Most of us can foresee the future. Sometimes. The experience is so common that it has a name – “premonition”. They happen. We don’t know how or why. They are paranormal. But the fact that they are inexplicable doesn’t mean that premonitions have never happened.

You see a medium who tells you something about your past that only you can possibly know. She must have literally “read” your mind! She is probably not aware of this, and certainly can’t explain how she does it.

If you jump off a chair, you land on the floor, not the ceiling. You’re pulled down by something that we call “gravity”. Nobody knows what it is or how it works. Gravity is paranormal.

During the last couple of hundred years we’ve made huge strides in our understanding of life, the universe, and everything. But we’re still only scratching the surface. Every discovery we make reveals more areas of ignorance. Just because we don’t know how mediums read minds, or how we foresee the future, doesn’t mean they are impossible. It just means that scientists haven’t discovered how to investigate them yet.

Good thread, OP. Made me think!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If my relatives are watching over me, then I hope they like watching men wank.

What even if there not dead?

*they're. "
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They re dead or they are dead, which one is it?

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over a year ago

"My dictionary defines paranormal as being “beyond normal explanation”.

For a couple of thousand years people believed that illness was caused by “fluxes”, but had no idea how they worked. Fluxes were paranormal. But people got sick all the time.

If you jump off a chair, you land on the floor, not the ceiling. You’re pulled down by something that we call “gravity”. Nobody knows what it is or how it works. Gravity is paranormal.

Good thread, OP. Made me think!

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Nobody knows what gravity is? Err yes they do.

Nobody has ever "read" anybodys mind that's ever been proved.

Nobody I know has premonitions or sees the future, if we could we'd be in Barbados in a trillion dollar house!.

Scientists can't investigate anything until you give them something to fucking investigate and as yet nobody's ever managed to do that..... I'm pretty sure there's some egg heads that would shoot they're load in their trousers if they could investigate it by somebody actually fucking doing it.... Same goes for ghosts, there's bleeding thousands of egg head investigators who've spent there life's looking for something tangible to film.... What have they managed to turn up.... Nowt.

It's those things that make rational people using logic to decide there's probably(like a very lot) fuck all to see

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over a year ago

"My dictionary defines paranormal as being “beyond normal explanation”.

For a couple of thousand years people believed that illness was caused by “fluxes”, but had no idea how they worked. Fluxes were paranormal. But people got sick all the time.

If you jump off a chair, you land on the floor, not the ceiling. You’re pulled down by something that we call “gravity”. Nobody knows what it is or how it works. Gravity is paranormal.

Good thread, OP. Made me think!

Nobody knows what gravity is? Err yes they do.

Nobody has ever "read" anybodys mind that's ever been proved.

Nobody I know has premonitions or sees the future, if we could we'd be in Barbados in a trillion dollar house!.

It's those things that make rational people using logic to decide there's probably(like a very lot) fuck all to see"

Well that's the pope out of a job...

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over a year ago

If a Psychic ever walked out the door and got killed by a truck, it wouldn't be a big loss to the world because he/she obviously wasn't that good.

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over a year ago

Death is a thriving business.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

'Well that's the pope out of a job...'

When you are an imaginary deity's representative on earth you'll never be out of work.

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over a year ago

Plymouth

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Nobody knows what gravity is? Err yes they do.

Nobody has ever "read" anybodys mind that's ever been proved.

Nobody I know has premonitions or sees the future, if we could we'd be in Barbados in a trillion dollar house!.

It's those things that make rational people using logic to decide there's probably(like a very lot) fuck all to see"

The current best QUESS is that gravity is caused by “graviton” particles. Wikipedia says:

“In theoretical physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field theory.

If it exists, the graviton is expected to be massless (because the gravitational force appears to have unlimited range) and must be a spin-2 boson. The spin follows from the fact that the source of gravitation is the stress–energy tensor, a second-order tensor (compared to electromagnetism's spin-1 photon, the source of which is the four-current, a first-order tensor). Additionally, it can be shown that any massless spin-2 field would give rise to a force indistinguishable from gravitation, because a massless spin-2 field would couple to the stress–energy tensor in the same way that gravitational interactions do. As the graviton is hypothetical, its discovery would unite quantum theory with gravity. This result suggests that, if a massless spin-2 particle is discovered, it must be the graviton.

There is no complete theory of gravitons due to an outstanding mathematical problem with renormalization. This problem has been a major motivation for models beyond quantum field theory, such as string theory.”

But no gravitons have been found yet because they don’t know how to go about it. They hope that the LHC and gravity wave detectors in space will give them clues.

If forms of “mind” reading have been proved, they wouldn’t be paranormal. Prove that radio waves exist without using a transmitter and receiver! Does the fact that you can’t mean that they don’t exist?

If there are no such things as “premonitions”, why do we have a word for them? If you’ve never had one, you’re probably in a minority. To categorically deny their existence is closed-minded. Closed-minded people burned at the stake anyone who claimed that the Earth goes around the Sun and not vice versa.

Scientists can’t YET investigate things that are not deliberately inducible, happen very infrequently, and for no apparent reasons. That doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. It just means that we cant understand them, just as we couldn’t understand how “fluxes” caused diseases before the nineteenth century.

I don’t believe that people see ghosts. But they do perceive things that they can only describe as ghosts. Probably just vivid imaginations responding to unusual things that happen in the dark. Can you film a sound? A taste? A feeling? By your reasoning, none of them exist.

We use logic to connect things and events. It can’t be used if we lack sufficient information about either or both. Logic says the universe had a beginning, but has so far given the wrong answers about exactly what happened. The Standard Model is a logical explanation of how everything is constructed. It’s wrong because it currently fails to explain at least one very large and important element – it doesn’t logically explain gravity. And you can’t see it, so by your logic, it doesn’t exist

All those words, and not a single expletive!

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

"If a Psychic ever walked out the door and got killed by a truck, it wouldn't be a big loss to the world because he/she obviously wasn't that good.

So-called “seeing” isn’t voluntary. Psychics can’t decide to have a look at tomorrows lottery results. We don’t know what causes it, or how it’s “turned on”. Lots of people have good eyesight and hearing. But they can’t be very good because the get killed by trucks. How many people’s death would be a big loss to the world? Not mine, for sure! How about yours?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"If a Psychic ever walked out the door and got killed by a truck, it wouldn't be a big loss to the world because he/she obviously wasn't that good.

Are you making the case for psychics?

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over a year ago

Plymouth

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Are you making the case for psychics?"

Sort-of. Sometimes, and with some people, some of them demonstrate that they know impossible things. Read the relevant posts above. What could the (anonymous) posters possibly gain by lying? But I believe that references to "spirit guides", etc. are conscious or unconscious attempts to explain the inexplicable by analogy - they probably aren't involved. Again, explain how you see things to someone who has always been blind.

"Well, what you feel as warmth when you go outside sometimes, is also felt by our eyes in such a way that we can discover the shape of things without touching them, and at a distance. However, the farther away things are, the smaller they feel. But this kind of feeling tells us very little about the texture of things. And what you feel as cold when you open the fridge has no effect on our eyes at all. This warmth feeling doesn’t work 24/7. It only works naturally for a part of each day, the length of which varies with the time of year. We call this absence “darkness”. You live in permanent darkness because your eyes can’t feel warmth. We have invented things called “lights” which produce artificial warmth that our eyes can feel when there is darkness. We have to stop them working when we want to sleep, because we then need to be in darkness, just like you”

Erm, yes, well. There are these things called spirits that ......

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over a year ago

Erm, yes, well. There are these things called spirits that ......

Ya, I call it Vodka and you've d*unk too much of it.

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over a year ago

Nobody knows what gravity is? Err yes they do.

Nobody has ever "read" anybodys mind that's ever been proved.

Nobody I know has premonitions or sees the future, if we could we'd be in Barbados in a trillion dollar house!.

It's those things that make rational people using logic to decide there's probably(like a very lot) fuck all to see

The current best QUESS is that gravity is caused by “graviton” particles. Wikipedia says:

“In theoretical physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field theory.

But no gravitons have been found yet because they don’t know how to go about it. They hope that the LHC and gravity wave detectors in space will give them clues.

All those words, and not a single expletive!

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Your just twisting what I said to give the illusion that you have something investigate.

With gravity there's a phenomena to investigate we can measure it, see it's effects.... What have you given us to investigate about premonitions.. Nothing, you can't site a single case, just "feelings" , nobody's denying the human brain is a powerful thing, what your doing if attempting to take something somebody felt and add a load of bollocks to make it something that suits your "beliefs".... You want to belive there's something else!

There's other words for the paranormal it's called delusional, your delusional because your making stuff up to suit your beliefs.... You may think your feeling is genuine, you may think your dreams mean something, you may think what you saw it so it must be true.... Current science says otherwise, oh wait yes not willing to accept that answer let's move to the default position of its.... Not me who's wrong or delusional, it's the science hasn't got all the answers, yes I've got something that science can't explain, no it's been explained and you don't like the answer.

Did I get any expletives in.... Oh fuck it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a yes from me

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over a year ago

I've never seen a scientist conclude a theory on anything undiscovered with the sentence... Ahh but you don't know what gravity is, therefore mine might be true to?.

Data, what's the data to support your theory, there's shed loads to support this whacky "gravity" one there's a bus full of data for this crazy conspiracy of "evolution" , mountains of it for medicine....

Ghosts, ghouls, goblins, witchcraft, gods, heaven hell, psychics, tarrot cards, premonitions and the devil.... Well I'm afraid you've got practically no data whatsoever, so little evidence or any idea yet great belief..... That's why we invented the word delusional.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I take it you're some sort of Medium?..

Case in point, defining yourself by something you don't know or understand is a pretty dumb way to go about things....but whatever....

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over a year ago

Nobody knows what gravity is? Err yes they do.

Nobody has ever "read" anybodys mind that's ever been proved.

Nobody I know has premonitions or sees the future, if we could we'd be in Barbados in a trillion dollar house!.

It's those things that make rational people using logic to decide there's probably(like a very lot) fuck all to see

The current best QUESS is that gravity is caused by “graviton” particles. Wikipedia says:

“In theoretical physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravitation in the framework of quantum field theory.

But no gravitons have been found yet because they don’t know how to go about it. They hope that the LHC and gravity wave detectors in space will give them clues.

All those words, and not a single expletive!

Good post

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over a year ago

Your just twisting what I said to give the illusion that you have something investigate.

Did I get any expletives in.... Oh fuck it"

You appear to be saying that unless something can be quantified and measured, which let's face it is the basis of science, then it either doesn't exist or is not worthy of consideration for investigation.

What about consciousness, possibly the biggest single mystery we have. Because it cannot be measured your 'logic' seems to suggest it should also be dismissed.

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over a year ago

You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

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over a year ago

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain. "

Are you sure that's consciousness or the effects of consciousness?

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over a year ago

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

Are you sure that's consciousness or the effects of consciousness?"

Dunno.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't know about spirits but physics was pretty boring at school

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

Are you sure that's consciousness or the effects of consciousness?"

It seems you might be suggesting that consciousness is not a result of neurons in the brain being interconnected and communicating rather it's something ethereal that exists beyond brain and takes residency?

Sadly thousands of humans have suffered a multitude of brain traumas and conditions , and their direct correlations to the persons personality , thought process's and actions . This vast data Base is extremely powerful evidence that consciousness is resultant of neural activity and not the contrary

Drugs also have effect upon the brain which also add to the conclusive data

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Your just twisting what I said to give the illusion that you have something investigate.

Did I get any expletives in.... Oh fuck it"

You’re of course correct about there being no evidence whatsoever about “feelings”. If there was, we wouldn’t be arguing. I believe that so many people have claimed to have had them, and felt it was important to tell others about it, the phenomena are real, but CURRENTLY unprovable.

I don’t think that dreams mean anything, and don’t claim to have seen anything unreal (ghosts, spirits, UFOs, etc.). “Current science” hasn’t YET found out the meaning of life, the universe and everything. They’re still working on it! I have had premonitions, but you will be delighted to know that I can’t remember what about, or when, or where. But I do remember they were about pending danger and I ignored them; “I knew that was going to happen”.

You are assuming that an awful lot of people have lied for no reason.

What has been explained and I don’t like the answer? If it’s gravity, read the Wikki article above.

I try to keep an open mind on the paranormal. Most of the claims are scams, but there are probably real events amongst them. If so, I reckon that the concept of other dimension is the best current guess about how they could work. I also try to keep up with current investigations into how our brains work. It’s hard going! But I have now been told that it has been proven that deja vu is caused by aberrant memory use, so that’s one less unknown. I suspect that ghosts are also a mental rather than physical phenomenon. But I can’t see how things like mind reading, seeing the future, locating lost objects, etc. could be forms of mental aberration.

Well done with the expletives. Mine jew “bollocks” isn’t really very scientific.

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain. "

But what “puts thoughts into our heads”? Why do we decide to go out tonight? Or not? What prompts us to believe or disbelieve in the existence of spirits, etc?

Quite often, if I go to sleep thinking about a problem, the answer is in my mind when I wake up. My “sub-conscious” has worked it out overnight (thanks!).

Why do thinks suddenly “spring to mind” apparently unprompted?

How can we tell if we’re not all just characters in some vast video game?

How it all work is still pretty much of a mystery. But a lot of people are working on it and answers are being found, bit by bit, from many different approaches

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

But what “puts thoughts into our heads”? Why do we decide to go out tonight? Or not? What prompts us to believe or disbelieve in the existence of spirits, etc?

Quite often, if I go to sleep thinking about a problem, the answer is in my mind when I wake up. My “sub-conscious” has worked it out overnight (thanks!).

Why do thinks suddenly “spring to mind” apparently unprompted?

How can we tell if we’re not all just characters in some vast video game?

How it all work is still pretty much of a mystery. But a lot of people are working on it and answers are being found, bit by bit, from many different approaches

Mainly our senses puts stuff into our heads , the neurons then process the data of course many internal factors such as hormones and brain structure will affect how the data is manipulated

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over a year ago

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

Are you sure that's consciousness or the effects of consciousness?

Drugs also have effect upon the brain which also add to the conclusive data

I suggest to you that you are misunderstanding consciousness. Personality, thought processes and actions are some of the effects of consciousness. All of the things you've listed require consciousness. Consciousness does not require any of the things you've listed in order to be.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

Are you sure that's consciousness or the effects of consciousness?

Drugs also have effect upon the brain which also add to the conclusive data

I have yet to see consciousness exhibited in anything other than a brain , I have witnessed diminishing consciousness from brains that have undergone varying degrees of damage and intoxication

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over a year ago

"You can measure consciousness through electrical activity in the brain.

Are you sure that's consciousness or the effects of consciousness?

Drugs also have effect upon the brain which also add to the conclusive data

I have yet to see consciousness exhibited in anything other than a brain , I have witnessed diminishing consciousness from brains that have undergone varying degrees of damage and intoxication

Do you accept that animals have consciousness? How about any living being that can move about, defend itself, have a sense of touch, sense of smell and even sight. Would you class any such being as having consciousness or being conscious?

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over a year ago

I met a guy who during our coffee date told me that I had given off energies?.

I thought he meant that we had clicked lol but,he meant psychic energies and told me stuff that no one else could possibly know and I had not given him any info to build a story upon.

Quite an amazing list of past and present information some of which I had forgotten about at the time.

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

Ignorance is bliss.

None of these psychics have ever claim james randi's million dollar prize for proving anything supernatural.

People believe because they want you to believe barnam statments and cold reading is all it is.

For example. . Are not mosts peopels nans small? What a retarded proof.

This is whats wrong with the world, people believing in mumbo jumbo like this and religion.

Talk about holding the world back.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Ignorance is bliss.

None of these psychics have ever claim james randi's million dollar prize for proving anything supernatural.

People believe because they want you to believe barnam statments and cold reading is all it is.

For example. . Are not mosts peopels nans small? What a retarded proof.

This is whats wrong with the world, people believing in mumbo jumbo like this and religion.

Talk about holding the world back."

See the poster above. How did the guy cold read stuff that happened that she had forgotten about?

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

What people tell you and what really happened are far from the same.

Watch any footage of a reading then listen to what the customer say they didnt say. You will see each time they helped the reader get to the answer.

No one notices the misses, they just latch on to the 'hits'.

Its embarrassing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Confirmation bias

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ive seen dynamo walk down buildings, I've seen David Copperfield disappear the statute of liberty, Darren brown do psychic readings.....

None of them claim to be supernatural they just have the ability to trick the brain because what you see and hear is not actually what you see and hear...

Now I've got this theory that really there an elite set of super gods sent down from the giant spaghetti monster lair to turn normal thinking humans into complete and utter numptys who'll fall for any old load of shite.

Just a theory like, with no proof whatsoever, but a few people I talked to just recently said... Hey I had this sub conscious feeling that Paul Daniels isn't really dead... He's just transcended this plain into the spooky plain

Nope still bollocks

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having a woman tell me (mr) something's a few years back TOTALLY changed my mindset.

Was a TOTAL skeptic.

Randomly met a woman, she told me things nobody could know.

I know about "cold reading" techniques I had to learn certain aspects for work years back but this was non cold reading information.

Now I'm like the x files says "a believer".

Defo not a beleiber however. I'd cross a busy road to punch him. Hard.

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

"I take it you're some sort of Medium?..

Case in point, defining yourself by something you don't know or understand is a pretty dumb way to go about things....but whatever...."

What on Earth gave you the idea that I’m some sort of medium?

How have I “defined myself”?

You have a serious problem with comprehending written English.

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

"I met a guy who during our coffee date told me that I had given off energies?.

I thought he meant that we had clicked lol but,he meant psychic energies and told me stuff that no one else could possibly know and I had not given him any info to build a story upon.

Quite an amazing list of past and present information some of which I had forgotten about at the time.

He “read your mind”. The only possible source of the information was your memories. You can’t prove this, of course, so the closed-minded will call you a liar (see above). It’s called “telepathy” in the trade. Some identical twins reckon they have it, as do some married couples. The female halves, of course. My wife could read me like a book:

I’d think “I could do with a cup of tea.”

She’d say “shall we have a cup of tea?”

“Bugger, she’s done it again!”

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

"Data, what's the data to support your theory, there's shed loads to support this whacky "gravity" one there's a bus full of data for this crazy conspiracy of "evolution" , mountains of it for medicine....

There is absolutely no data whatsoever to support my “other dimensions” theory. It just a guess that seems to me that, if it’s correct, would answer a lot of questions. But in the real world, Nature is never ever that simple. Everything seems to be mind-bogglingly complex and convoluted.

None of the people who have actually experienced psychics, etc., or the open-minded people posting to this thread, have offered their ideas about how these things can happen.

Shame.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

It's piss.

Oh sorry guys, thought this was the squirter debate.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I was involved in a seance when I was a teenager and stuff came out that made no sense to any of us.

When I told my Mum about it later she knew what it all meant.

I do believe there is more than science can explain sometimes.

You're right I don't know how Derren brown does exactly the same act xxx but he does not speak to dead people

Have you actually tested I think we could devise a test that would illustrate they are not talking to your grandma xxx"

What has Mr Brown got to do with me?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Plus there was no medium involved, we didn't pay anyone any money.

It was just 4 friends sat in a normal house, in the kitchen with the lights on.

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

"Plus there was no medium involved, we didn't pay anyone any money.

It was just 4 friends sat in a normal house, in the kitchen with the lights on."

You were just mistaken in some way.

Simple as that.

Theres never been a shred of evidence for the supernatural.

Most people that believe in the supernatural believe in everything.

Im sure you do too.

You want to believe so you always see corresponding 'evidence'

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By *abes in the woodWoman
over a year ago

wales

I never was believer till I went to meduim show thing said about me my dad my name..since had good reading that came true.but say never go to same reader more then twice.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've only very recently got into this myself. It's always intrigued me but I was so sceptical about it. A friend did a taro card reading on me and also a reading with angel cards and they were both stupidly accurate, not once but 3 times and none of readings were the same. My auntie is also trained in Reiki which I find fascinating the energy levels she was picking up from my head was crazy.

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By *auren001Woman
over a year ago

birmingham

I believe but also think there are fakes around. Had an experience where my mom and I went to a spiritualist, I went in and was blown away by things she said. Mom goes in 5 minutes later, comes out, the woman couldn't read her and wouldn't take her money. The ironic thing about it was that, my mom was having a real hard time coming to terms with some things in her life at the time which the lady told me all about and knew exactly what had gone on in the past and what was going on at the time with my mom and talked about it in length and detail. Yet she couldn't read that my mom was my mom. When mom went in and they were talking about her not being able to read her, mom said something about me being her daughter and the woman was genuinely shocked she said mom had a block around her and she didn't even get that she was a mother, hence no reading and no charge. You wouldn't pick me and my mom out of a line up as mother and daughter in fairness so it's not obvious that we are, most people assume we are friends. On the contrary though, had my tarot cards read when I was pregnant and I think she was a fraud. Told me nothing relevant. She insisted I was having a girl (he's a boy and I knew that at the time as well) although in her defence 2 scans had said he was a girl too before my 2nd 4d scan lol. Have seen a few psychics/spiritualists etc over the years and every single one of them has told me (even the tarot card lady) I have twins coming to me in my life either by birth, fostering or adoption. I have no plans for any of those but they have all be adamant. No twins yet though

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

Lol Reki

Hahahaha

You only need to do minor 'research' online, read some results from unvestations that show it does nothing other than placebo.

Its shocking what people still believe in.

. . And they wonder why the world is going to pot.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Lol Reki

Hahahaha

You only need to do minor 'research' online, read some results from unvestations that show it does nothing other than placebo.

Its shocking what people still believe in.

. . And they wonder why the world is going to pot.

You could explore the 'other' world too

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I've decided that without hearing the phone call, i'm going to remain skeptical. People do hear what they want to hear, and the likelihood is that my cousin lead the conversation and gave more details away than she's shared with me. Because it's nice to think she's watching over us.

And also, my Nan thought psychics were a load of crap.

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over a year ago

"Lol Reki

Hahahaha

You only need to do minor 'research' online, read some results from unvestations that show it does nothing other than placebo.

Its shocking what people still believe in.

. . And they wonder why the world is going to pot.

Placebo...now there's a phenomenon that gives us an idea of what we may be capable of, we have so little understanding.

I don't believe that these individuals speak to the dead. I do though choose to have an open mind when it comes to what we may be capable of.

Sadly this area is dominated by show people, con artists and deception. That said, I'm no longer willing to blindly accept that all of these people, some of whom I respect and trust are being fooled or are liars.

Placebo was here before science accepted or proved it. I hope the scientific method will one day make a breakthrough in this area, if it does i choose to believe it will be linked to our study into consciousness and quantum physics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Lol Reki

Hahahaha

You only need to do minor 'research' online, read some results from unvestations that show it does nothing other than placebo.

Its shocking what people still believe in.

. . And they wonder why the world is going to pot.

Placebo...now there's a phenomenon that gives us an idea of what we may be capable of, we have so little understanding.

I don't believe that these individuals speak to the dead. I do though choose to have an open mind when it comes to what we may be capable of.

Actually part of the placebo effect is believing!.

It's the whole doctor, white coat, medicine, tablet, which gives belief in it working, only some people get a placebo effect others won't regardless, a bit like hypnosis.

Again no supernatural powers needed, we already know the brain has the ability to engage many hormones, pheromones and endorphins all of which are "natural" drugs which may alleviate the condition being treated

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Lol Reki

Hahahaha

You only need to do minor 'research' online, read some results from unvestations that show it does nothing other than placebo.

Its shocking what people still believe in.

. . And they wonder why the world is going to pot.

Placebo...now there's a phenomenon that gives us an idea of what we may be capable of, we have so little understanding.

I don't believe that these individuals speak to the dead. I do though choose to have an open mind when it comes to what we may be capable of.

Actually part of the placebo effect is believing!.

It's the whole doctor, white coat, medicine, tablet, which gives belief in it working, only some people get a placebo effect others won't regardless, a bit like hypnosis.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I met a guy who during our coffee date told me that I had given off energies?.

I thought he meant that we had clicked lol but,he meant psychic energies and told me stuff that no one else could possibly know and I had not given him any info to build a story upon.

Quite an amazing list of past and present information some of which I had forgotten about at the time.

I’d think “I could do with a cup of tea.”

She’d say “shall we have a cup of tea?”

“Bugger, she’s done it again!”

I would not call her a liar , I fully believe she has been CONvinced . I call him manipulative and disingenuous if he claimed any super natural power or force enabled him to either as you say read her mind , or research her , as these are the two options available

Mind reading is pretty simple we all do it to some degree , humans are creatures of habit, we also all love to think we hold a special unique inner depth which is the downfall of many , cold reading , barnum and a healthy knowledge of England's human behaviours and history are exceptionally powerful tools for the manipulator

Mind reading comes from reading the eyes lips body tone of voice etc etc , every thing absolutely everything gives something away

And those with less scruples just research their victims and they are frighteningly invasive , hidden mics cameras , tails researchers

Another trick is to create a vanity event that did not happen or may be similar to one that did the story is so compelling that the victims actually think they forgot the event but have now remembered . It's a proven psychological trick so not mind reading but mind implanting

Bastards

When these manipulators ply their act the obvious answers are so unpalatable that pure Sci fi seems plausible xxx

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

A quick line from a psychological research and study , there's a lot more xxx

Despite the ethical limitations imposed on laboratory studies of artificially created memories, research showed that creating false memories of a relatively benign childhood experience, i.e., becoming lost in a shopping mall as a young child was easily induced. In other studies, even much more extreme example of false memories (eg., spilling punch on the bride’s parents at a family wedding or nearly drowning as a child) could be induced in as many as a quarter of the subjects tested. Even in subjects who failed to develop a complete false memory, partial recall could be induced in nearly half of all research subjects. This phenomenon is commonly seen, not only in

I'm ashamed to say I've induced it myself , trust is the key and it's as powerful as the placebo

The brain is powerful simulator

You can think about alcohol and become d*unk

You can think about an event that released dopamine and the brain releases it (that's fun

just thinking sex will release dopamine )

But these truths can be manipulated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish I could think of alcohol and get d*unk...

Although it kinda ruins the social aspect of getting d*unk with others, that's what I really like

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

We unconsciously edit our memories, sometimes to such an extent that they are virtually fiction. But I’m keeping an open mind about spiritualism, etc. until I have a relevant personal experience.

I’m not entirely convinced by claims that people make for all of the reasons stated in this thread. But I’m also not necessarily convinced by experimental results. More than half of all experimental results in the bio-sciences have not been repeatable, and this is of great concern to scientists in general (e.g. Nature Magazine, 10-3-16, page 151).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We unconsciously edit our memories, sometimes to such an extent that they are virtually fiction. But I’m keeping an open mind about spiritualism, etc. until I have a relevant personal experience.

"
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That cera bellum has alot to answer for.... Neuroscience is really in its infancy, we've only just begun to examine the brain.

Although to be honest I hold out more hope for genetics, were almost there on that front...

Regrowing teeth, eyeballs, limbs, eradicating genetic illnesses, curing cancer..... There's no need for god's anyhow.... We are god's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What need for a make belive God with false hopes when you can do everything they supposedly can do and more!!.

The new God is science, getting down on your knees and praying to Phil who works in a laboratory might not be as ... Dramatic but will definitely get you better results

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's called cold reading.

Easy, if you know how. Sprinkle with Barnum statements and your mark will think you're psychic.

I think there are probably 100 fakes for every genuine medium, if not more. But I know this woman is genuine

There must be thousands or millions of fakes for absolutely no genuine ones. When we die the only thing we are is dead! It really is that simple.

There are no ghosts/spirits or any "other side" for these twisted schiesters to contact.

Imho all of these people should be locked up and charged with fraud. Along with all the priests, rabbis, imams, bishops etc.... charlatans and con men all!

Just my opinion....but thought I'd give the other side.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was gonna make a joke about spirits coming from bottles but this thread has got way to serious for me.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I believe in it. I've written my experience a few times but will write it again for the sake of the thread.

Went to have a reading off a well known local psychic, he couldn't read me and wouldn't take my money.

I went to Newquay in Cornwall and my friend had a reading and paid, came to do me and the woman said she couldn't read me.

I had to have loads of raiki (spelling?) healing to try and get rid of this attack thing and then after that I was able to have a reading! "

How much did each Reiki session cost ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

She was an old lady selling heather (seriously) or something like that which I rudely refused to buy thinking she would give me some grief then go but she was very pleasant with me.

They were predictions of how my life would change massively for the better, but I really don't know how anyone could of guessed. "

They plant the seeds in your head and you make the connections.

They know nothing.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

Opinions and experiences please?"

If the next sessions costing a hundred quid,over three easy instalments.

I would tread with caution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have something i term to be "a knowing" . It has given me many many pieces of information relevant to people , I dont have any control over it , I cant choose who the information pertains to , I do not charge people for it , I simply ask if they would like it ( the information ) . I have seen many a tear , and been thanked many times genuinely . I have no idea why I get this "knowing" . I quickly learned to shut up as a child , when I realised other people didnt get this kind of thing .I know stuff , I have accepted that there must be a reason why information is given , im happy to pass it along (its never for me )

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By *oui11Woman
over a year ago

Sutton in ashfield

I personally saw a fake psychic, in new clipstone. I was pregnant with twins at the time, and I sat there and thought, god, how alike he was to Colin fry, off of t.v. Except for one thing, he cost £35 and got most of it wrong, as he told me my twins would be one boy and one girl, I had two boys!! He told me that id go to about 36/37 weeks and that my labour would be a slow and very painful one, again he was wrong, cos I gave birth @26 weeks and unfortunately, due to complications,of prematurity, I actually lost one of them after 17 days, so do I believe, I don't know if I doo or not, but I certainly believe in god, and Christianity, and heaven and hell/ good vs bad etc etc etc. But if u get a feeling that someone is fake, then they generally are!!!! Caution with mickey takers and pretenders!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most seem to start, my friend introduced me to a medium....

Medium, why would they benifit?

Well she lost her nan, Flo, 3 years ago, very ill, then her dog, spot, got knocked over by a car, see easy really, they know enough about you to start, lol

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By *dynlisaCouple
over a year ago

Notts

Tj higgs is very good. we was at a medium weekend in Feb and I got a reading telling me about a friend who died when we was young she then said I was having a affair with my now wife when I was married b4,And then mentions about swinging lol it would have been ok but family and friends was there it was funny

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

Whilst there have been many bogus claims of paranormal events, there have been many bogus scientific “proofs” that they don’t happen. Some examples are:

Telepathy. The mediums were in one room, and the “targets” were in another. The targets shuffled a pack of cards and faced them one at a time. The mediums failed to “read” the faced cards. But perhaps telepathy requires some sort of “connection” between the medium and “target”. By connection, I mean like empathy, “the right chemistry”, “being on the same wavelength”. And maybe the environment is important too. Mediums don’t claim to be able to “read” everyone everywhere all of the time.

Ghosts. Have investigators been present when people who have already seen a ghost claim to see it again? Nobody has claimed to be able to control a ghost – when it will or will not appear.

UFOs. Many have been seen by several people, and investigators have not found “reasonable” explanations (see “Project Blue Book”)

Dowsing. The pipes were on the ground floor of a barn, and the dowsers were upstairs, and all failed. Maybe the soil around pipes is important. Perhaps dowsers are detecting mass anomalies. Does the water have to be running in the pipes for them to be detected?

Both experiments in the LHC found a “bump” in the data a of a run in September. It was absent in the data of subsequent runs. The explanation? “An anomaly”.

Scientists are no less fallible than the rest of us.

As far as I’m concerned, the jury is still out.

“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio,

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst there have been many bogus claims of paranormal events, there have been many bogus scientific “proofs” that they don’t happen. Some examples are:

Ghosts. Have investigators been present when people who have already seen a ghost claim to see it again? Nobody has claimed to be able to control a ghost – when it will or will not appear.

UFOs. Many have been seen by several people, and investigators have not found “reasonable” explanations (see “Project Blue Book”)

Both experiments in the LHC found a “bump” in the data a of a run in September. It was absent in the data of subsequent runs. The explanation? “An anomaly”.

Scientists are no less fallible than the rest of us.

As far as I’m concerned, the jury is still out.

“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio,

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

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If I may be so bold as to maybe point you in a better direction!.

Right for starters your making a very amateur error of starting from a conclusion(that all this stuff your taking about exists).

And then looking for evidence to fit your conclusion, it's exactly what religious people do, conspiracy theorists, creationists, ufologists, alien hunters....

Let's do this the correct scientific way, let's look at the evidence that's measurable and observable, let's examine what might cause this evidence you have and then.... We can make a theoretical conclusion to fit the evidence.

Now I'm going to put my point in here, there's so little evidence of anything at all happening and the very very small amount that is there is quantifiable from perfectly natural means.... Now what conclusion would any rational right thinking human come to from having NO evidence of anything occurring..... That maybe it's not occurring?.

I'm not the brightest individual out there, I'm a guy who left school with the usual bullshit qualifications and got work doing the usual bullshit paying work that comes from bullshit qualifications..... However I'm not a lazy bastard.

If somebody says on a forum some bullshit(this is bullshit central) I'm going to look into it and see if there's any actual evidence as to what they say..... Yours has about as much going for it as the witches, pagans, religious, creationists, conspiracy theorists.... Nowt.

Well what harm does it do I often hear people say.

The other day in the news was a story of a mother who almost killed her child , she was medicating it for autism from bullshitters and whack jobs off the internet with about 20 different "natural" drugs that can cure autism, yet science can't tell us why just yet that they work!!!..... I've no doubt those very same peddlers of supernatural cures used those very same lines as.... Science can't yet define gravity!!.... Just believe in my cure,it will work....

Then again it might more likely kill your child!.

I won't be coming back to argue with you.

Goodnight

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By *ait88Man
over a year ago

Plymouth

You desperately need to learn what the “The Scientific Method” is.

I’m not a professional scientist, and make errors all of the time just like everybody else, including you.

I’m not starting from any conclusion, see “the jury is still out” above.

Looking for evidence to prove THEORIES is what scientists do all of the time. Hertz demonstrated evidence of radio waves in 1886. The LHC found evidence of the Higgs boson where the theoretical Standard Model said it should be.

Religious people don’t look for evidence, they have faith.

Conspiracy theorists are postulating theories in the hope that evidence will be found.

Creationists, don’t look for evidence, they have faith.

Ufologists look for evidence that UFO sightings are of explainable events. And some of than aren’t – see Project Blue Book

Alien hunters – I’ve never heard of them, but suppose they are trying to prove that the supposed aliens have landed.

“Let's look at the evidence that's measurable and observable”. There was no evidence for Hertz or the LHC to look at. They found it in order to prove that theories were correct.

So, the numerous professional scientists who conduct experiments that have so far failed to prove paranormal events occur were not rational? Their conclusion could be either that nothing was occurring, OR that their experiments failed. Hertz wasn’t the first scientist to try to prove that radio waves existed. But he was the first to succeed.

I don’t look into claims made in the forums – life is too short. Some of them may be lies; some of them may be true. There can be no “actual evidence” either way, so you’ve wasted your time. And my guess about the “other dimensions” solution is exactly the same – currently unprovable. The only thing it has going for it is that it would be an interesting solution. To prove that you’ve “looked into it”, please explain “branes” to us.

There has been no posting in this thread about cures for autism or any other diseases, so start your own thread. All of the posts have been about telepathy and precognition. And they have never killed anyone. So here’s something else to “look into”. How does aspirin cure headaches please? And aspirins HAVE killed many children.

“I won't be coming back to argue with you.” I wonder why?

Good morning.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been in two minds if I should post or not as I know many have different thoughts etc..

Anyway speaking on the other side of things I've actually had experiences where things have come to me and no way I could have known any of it , I was even doubting myself tbh but I joined a group on fb where all pages have to be private or you can't get a reading , a lady posts a picture of just her landing and from that I got a ton of info ..... all correct and I never even knew her or circumstances ...how could I have known ??? So many things have happened too many to mention all correct .

I haven't read anyone in years spirits for me are hard work and drain you , being kept up and woken up constantly is never nice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You desperately need to learn what the “The Scientific Method” is.

I’m not a professional scientist, and make errors all of the time just like everybody else, including you.

I’m not starting from any conclusion, see “the jury is still out” above.

Religious people don’t look for evidence, they have faith.

Conspiracy theorists are postulating theories in the hope that evidence will be found.

Creationists, don’t look for evidence, they have faith.

Ufologists look for evidence that UFO sightings are of explainable events. And some of than aren’t – see Project Blue Book

Alien hunters – I’ve never heard of them, but suppose they are trying to prove that the supposed aliens have landed.

“Let's look at the evidence that's measurable and observable”. There was no evidence for Hertz or the LHC to look at. They found it in order to prove that theories were correct.

“I won't be coming back to argue with you.” I wonder why?

Good morning.

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over a year ago

"You desperately need to learn what the “The Scientific Method” is.

I’m not a professional scientist, and make errors all of the time just like everybody else, including you.

I’m not starting from any conclusion, see “the jury is still out” above.

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The jury is not out, that's a bullshit statement, it concluded there was nothing to see here unless evidence was found.

They don't look for evidence to fit theory's.

They use what you can measure and observe(research) and then try to fit a theory to the evidence, they didn't just happen to build the LHC by random chance, the maths evidence was there! So they looked for the physical evidence.

See that word evidence keeps cropping up, that's key, you don't provide any, you just say telepathy exists, it's exactly what religious people do, it exists therefore it is.

But again you offer no evidence no theory of how it happens or works, no research into what else could be happening..... You just start from the fact that it is.... Blind Faith is a dangerous thing

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By *annooWoman
over a year ago

Hastings

I believe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did anyone bring any 'proof' for earthier side?

Here's my experiences.

I was young, i saw a person in my house who shouldn't have been there. He'd died a few hours before. I didn't know, yet.

I was still young I heard my grandparents voice. He had passed away.

Whist young I've seen many animals that weren't realy there. Ghosts or memories?

Still young I've seen lots of 'ghosts' that disappeared when looking at them directly.

A teenager - There's a house in Chorley, I visited. It's known to be haunted. I felt sick and vomited as I walked in the door. I could pick every spot in that place that had a story before the guide told me. I used to be sensitive to these things.

Still a teenager. - I've fallen out with friends or people I knew because I blurted out 'secrets' they thought I didn't or shouldn't know. I learnt to stop this. This is where I started to lose my sensitivity.

I was with a medium who decided she had to talk to me and answer my questions. I hadn't opened my mouth yet. She nailed every question and uncertainty I had in my life at that time.

One time I was driving with my mother, I slammed on my breaks as I 'felt' somebody run in front of my car. My mother saw a boy and described him, and I was looking at him step onto the curb of the road. He dissapeared. My mum will tell you she saw a ghost dressed in Victorian clothing.

Just some I can remember and I still talk about some when somebody asks do I believe? These are the reasons why. I'm not mad. It's what has happened to me.

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

All these self confessed special people that can know things they shouldnt.

Haha get over yourself !

you are not special for making stuff up in your head and trying to convince people you have special powers.

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My gran saw nothing all her life but after having a loss in eyesight, small loss of hearing and mild dementia she has regularly seen people, strangers, relatives, dead relatives and a whole host of other things, there as real as can be for her but neither myself or anybody else there with her while she's "seeing" them has seen anything, for her she's taking to my uncle who's been dead for 20 years...

The brain does funny things while faced with dangers, loss of visual and hearing signals, memories from yesterday, high emotions.

No evidence that she's actually speaking to my dead uncle or anybody else, just crossed wires and malfunctioning sections mingled with fear to bring about very very realistic episodes, psychosis and delusional episodes occur randomly in seemingly normal brains again no paranormal supernatural required just chemistry and biology.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All these self confessed special people that can know things they shouldnt.

Haha get over yourself !

you are not special for making stuff up in your head and trying to convince people you have special powers.

Lol

Oohh. Sounds like your saying I'm not special. Kids think I have super powers and I'm not going to tell them any different.

I just posted my experiences. Others have posted their experiences.

I do enjoy other people's views and theories of why we see/hear/feel spirits. Because I just don't know.

Just like I enjoy the theories I believe to be true. But again, I don't know. Nobody in our lifetime will ever know for sure. That's what this thread was about wasn't it?

Or you could just, lol, whatever?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Who would have predicted this many responses?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Did anyone bring any 'proof' for earthier side?

Here's my experiences.

I was young, i saw a person in my house who shouldn't have been there. He'd died a few hours before. I didn't know, yet.

I was still young I heard my grandparents voice. He had passed away.

Whist young I've seen many animals that weren't realy there. Ghosts or memories?

Still young I've seen lots of 'ghosts' that disappeared when looking at them directly.

I was with a medium who decided she had to talk to me and answer my questions. I hadn't opened my mouth yet. She nailed every question and uncertainty I had in my life at that time.

Just some I can remember and I still talk about some when somebody asks do I believe? These are the reasons why. I'm not mad. It's what has happened to me. "

I think the psychology is a fascinating subject , the ability for the brain to construct it's own environment is remarkable . Although I have little doubt your experiences are very real to you I think they are evidence of how brain works rather than ethereal supernatural existence

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