FabSwingers.com forum: Yep - another 9/11 thread

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yep, I know it's been done before (and not so long ago too) but hey, this is the Lounge where every day is Groundhog Day!

So it's always worth a revisit - the 9/11 atrocities.

An inside US Government job to provoke a war?

The Israelis?

A Osama Bin-Laden inspired group of renegade jihadist terrorists?

Or something else!?

Lots of conspiracy theories out there - let the good people of Fab sort the fact from the fiction ..

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

CONspiratzia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it was a conspiracy I would be more worried about what's next

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought the 911 report made it quite clear it was the Saudis who financed it through Pakistan and the Israelis covered their tracks...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you say groundhog day ??

Okay, campers , rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

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By *hickinthewarmMan
over a year ago

Fife

Don't get me started on this......

I've seen first hand what those types of religious whack-jobs can do, so I have absolutely no problem believing that they planned and executed 9/11.

People are naturally suspicious of the government, and so they should be, but to suggest that they would go as far as killing 2000 of their own citizens ins downright laughable. "BUT IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE OIL" I hear you cry! Yeah, you just can't move in Afghanistan for all the oilfields......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story."

That old chestnut, no its doesn't but hot enough for it lose it tensile strength and bend and collapse.

Don't believe me take a blow torch to you bikes spokes and get them red hot and jump on it.

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By *idsBiGuyMan
over a year ago

Tamworth

Everyone always goes on about the jet fuel thing but I'd be willing to bet that any structural engineer will tell you that you don't have to melt the steel structure of a given building to bring it crashing down.

Collateral damaged such as that would sufficient enough to weaken the structure of the building which would have been further exacerbated by the burning fuel (and other combustibles). I see no reason why what happened wouldn't be enough to cause the building's structure to fail.

Those buildings were not designed to be able to withstand the impact of a commercial airliner flying into them at such a speed. There was a significant amount of kinetic energy in those planes that in accordance with the laws of physics, had to go somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I don't believe it was an inside job we believe what we want to believe in life it's happened and there are families who have lost loved ones what's the point in dragging up shit, it doesn't help people seek closure it just drags up the past...what's the point there will never be answers to so many questions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon it was the government, as fanatic as the US are, they carried out a planned genocide to justify the war against afghanistan and IS, they are not better than saddam hussein.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't believe it was an inside job we believe what we want to believe in life it's happened and there are families who have lost loved ones what's the point in dragging up shit, it doesn't help people seek closure it just drags up the past...what's the point there will never be answers to so many questions "

I see your point fully Miss CC but if I had lost loved ones I would want answers. And, whilst not justifying rehashing old arguments, this was such a monumentous event that it will be discussed at length for all time, much like WWI & WWII continue to be, not just on here but across all social and media platforms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story."

These are facts you are meant to conveniently overlook...

And I often wondered why,if the steel melted and weakened the structure..how domed both towers collapse neatly straight down with no deviation to left or right? If the melted steel theory was true then there would have been a weak point where the tower would have leant?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)"
"000s of lost lives is not a topic for your ridicule on a swingers forum

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

For anyone that has watched a liquid fuel fire test will tell you that the concrete around the arena bursts and steel girders after several minutes will start to bend.

Add hundreds of tonnes of metal smashing into the structure at 300+ knots, that's enough to severely compromise any building structure.

Every nut wants to lay the blame elsewhere cos the truth is just so boring..

A conspiracy by international governments is far more interesting than a bunch of religious fanatics.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

My ex husband joined the US army not long after 9/11 saying he wanted to serve his country to help fight the cunts who did it! His words not mine we will never get answers to what happened it's will never be told

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

That old chestnut, no its doesn't but hot enough for it lose it tensile strength and bend and collapse.

Don't believe me take a blow torch to you bikes spokes and get them red hot and jump on it."

Errr did the towers bend and collapse? No they did not...did the towers collapse in on them self like a perfect controlled demolition ? Yes they did...so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)"000s of lost lives is not a topic for your ridicule on a swingers forum"

Nobody lost their lives in the WTC 7 collapse.

But I take your point, no offence meant by my admittedly crass statement

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't get me started on this......

I've seen first hand what those types of religious whack-jobs can do, so I have absolutely no problem believing that they planned and executed 9/11.

Ah but you can transport large volumes of crude oil across a stable Afghanistan.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I reckon it was the government, as fanatic as the US are, they carried out a planned genocide to justify the war against afghanistan and IS, they are not better than saddam hussein."

IS was not known back then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For anyone that has watched a liquid fuel fire test will tell you that the concrete around the arena bursts and steel girders after several minutes will start to bend.

Add hundreds of tonnes of metal smashing into the structure at 300+ knots, that's enough to severely compromise any building structure.

Every nut wants to lay the blame elsewhere cos the truth is just so boring..

A conspiracy by international governments is far more interesting than a bunch of religious fanatics."

In all of history only 3 buildings are known to have collapsed this way,and they all occurred on 9/11....

Not my words,the words of a top American phyicist

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By *idsBiGuyMan
over a year ago

Tamworth

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

These are facts you are meant to conveniently overlook...

I think there are few who could authoritatively answer such a question, but it could have something to do with the impact location, internal building design and structural weaknesses introduced. If you damage a single upright in a structure for instance, the rest of the uprights have to take up the strain from the one that's no longer doing its job. If enough were damaged including the core of the building and it's enough to bring the top coming down with little sideways variation then the rest of the building would most probably come down that way too.

If the impact had happened at the base of the tower and took a chunk out of it, it would have probably fallen over as opposed to collapsed in on itself, but then again, I'm no structural engineer so I couldn't give anything more than mere speculation.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???"

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Plus tall buildings are built to not fall over, then are designed to collapse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

That old chestnut, no its doesn't but hot enough for it lose it tensile strength and bend and collapse.

Don't believe me take a blow torch to you bikes spokes and get them red hot and jump on it."

Maybe you misread my post. I repeat, 'molten steel' not bendy steel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I reckon it was the government, as fanatic as the US are, they carried out a planned genocide to justify the war against afghanistan and IS, they are not better than saddam hussein.

IS was not known back then "
I see, some as well say the afghan war is about oil, not terrorism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I reckon it was the government, as fanatic as the US are, they carried out a planned genocide to justify the war against afghanistan and IS, they are not better than saddam hussein.

IS was not known back then I see, some as well say the afghan war is about oil, not terrorism."

It's all about oil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

That old chestnut, no its doesn't but hot enough for it lose it tensile strength and bend and collapse.

Don't believe me take a blow torch to you bikes spokes and get them red hot and jump on it.

Umm, why would the whole building bend left or right the floors around the fire sagged and then collapsed downwards, then the force and weight of these cause the floor below to collapse and so on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above."

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I reckon it was the government, as fanatic as the US are, they carried out a planned genocide to justify the war against afghanistan and IS, they are not better than saddam hussein.

IS was not known back then I see, some as well say the afghan war is about oil, not terrorism.

It's all about oil."
Yes, as there are loads of moneys to be had from it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

That old chestnut, no its doesn't but hot enough for it lose it tensile strength and bend and collapse.

Don't believe me take a blow torch to you bikes spokes and get them red hot and jump on it.

Umm, why would the whole building bend left or right the floors around the fire sagged and then collapsed downwards, then the force and weight of these cause the floor below to collapse and so on."

Ummmm the building would bend left or right because the strength had been taken out of the support,the mystery here is..how the hell dOWS the floors falling from inside cause the whole building to collapse uniformly? Do you think the jet fuel conveniently went all the way around the entire building??? Ummmmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea about the whole building collapse thing, but it strikes me as strange that the black boxes from the planes weren't recovered, as far as I'm aware, due to the overall heat/impact, but a passport of one of the alleged hijackers survived and was found fairly soon after.

Whatever the truth, we're unlikely to find out in our lifetimes but I'm grateful I had no friends or family that lost their life on that day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have no idea about the whole building collapse thing, but it strikes me as strange that the black boxes from the planes weren't recovered, as far as I'm aware, due to the overall heat/impact, but a passport of one of the alleged hijackers survived and was found fairly soon after.

Whatever the truth, we're unlikely to find out in our lifetimes but I'm grateful I had no friends or family that lost their life on that day."

Hahaha the indestructible passport is just incredible people actually believe this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2 other questions:

What hit the Pentagon?

What happened to the wreckage of flight 93?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At the end of the day its all speculation and theorys, nobody knows the truth about any of it, ok jet fuel wont melt steel, those buildings will have acted as a furness, rubbers, plastics, other fuels within those buildings will have helped raise those temperatures ?

But like i say nobody knows and likely never will.

It happened and lots of innocent folk died

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Whatever the truth, we're unlikely to find out in our lifetimes but I'm grateful I had no friends or family that lost their life on that day."

I lost the man I married to the whole "war" thing he went to serve his country and came back a whole different man....9/11 took away a lot that day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and don't forget you only know what happened because "the Harley guy" told you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2 other questions:

What hit the Pentagon?

What happened to the wreckage of flight 93?"

What hit the pentagon and made a round hole through reinforced concrete?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

The building destroyed the plane, it was the fire that brought down the floors, not the impact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What happened to Barry Jennings?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Whatever the truth, we're unlikely to find out in our lifetimes but I'm grateful I had no friends or family that lost their life on that day.

I lost the man I married to the whole "war" thing he went to serve his country and came back a whole different man....9/11 took away a lot that day "

i lost 6 darn good friends that day in both towers.... and i find talk of conspiracies theories really disrespectful and distasteful.....

I have lost a lot of respect for some people in this thread....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Whatever the truth, we're unlikely to find out in our lifetimes but I'm grateful I had no friends or family that lost their life on that day.

I lost the man I married to the whole "war" thing he went to serve his country and came back a whole different man....9/11 took away a lot that day

i lost 6 darn good friends that day in both towers.... and i find talk of conspiracies theories really disrespectful and distasteful.....

I have lost a lot of respect for some people in this thread...."

Well you know people think what they want to think....we all have our conclusions let them get on with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

The building destroyed the plane, it was the fire that brought down the floors, not the impact.

the building and subsequent fireball destroyed the plane,controlled demolition brought the tower down professionally . X2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whatever the truth, we're unlikely to find out in our lifetimes but I'm grateful I had no friends or family that lost their life on that day.

I lost the man I married to the whole "war" thing he went to serve his country and came back a whole different man....9/11 took away a lot that day

i lost 6 darn good friends that day in both towers.... and i find talk of conspiracies theories really disrespectful and distasteful.....

I have lost a lot of respect for some people in this thread...."

If you find the subject distasteful why are you involving yourself? People are allowed to chat and have different views. It's called freedom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

The building destroyed the plane, it was the fire that brought down the floors, not the impact.

the building and subsequent fireball destroyed the plane,controlled demolition brought the tower down professionally . X2"

You're talking absolute rubbish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

The building destroyed the plane, it was the fire that brought down the floors, not the impact.

the building and subsequent fireball destroyed the plane,controlled demolition brought the tower down professionally . X2

You're talking absolute rubbish."

Thank you and so do you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

The building destroyed the plane, it was the fire that brought down the floors, not the impact.

the building and subsequent fireball destroyed the plane,controlled demolition brought the tower down professionally . X2

You're talking absolute rubbish.

Thank you and so do you

Often but not on this subject, its my job to know these things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)"

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Often but not on this subject, its my job to know these things."

My Dad's too, it wasn't controlled explosions or conspiracy.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

And the bits in that conspiracy movie that look like explosions are the concrete exploding from the weight of the floors above coming down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Often but not on this subject, its my job to know these things.

My Dad's too, it wasn't controlled explosions or conspiracy."

Everybody knows full well there is clearly a conspiracy when you see the hole that was in the pentagon and the us government tries to tell you a plane flew inside reinforced concrete and made a perfect hole in the reinforced walls. Conspiracy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Often but not on this subject, its my job to know these things.

My Dad's too, it wasn't controlled explosions or conspiracy."

All those puffs they see as went down were nothing more than air being compressed (that was between the floors) and popping out the windows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?"

Thank you! Personally I find the whole conspiracy insulting having known three people killed. Yes, some things of that day are tough to believe, but it wasn't a government-led mass assassination of 3000 people. We don't know it all, but if you really think that they managed to rig three buildings to blow in the weeks running up to it, keep everyone quiet, kill 3000 people, disappear three jets worth of passengers; then you are clinically insane.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

i lost 6 darn good friends that day in both towers.... and i find talk of conspiracies theories really disrespectful and distasteful.....

I have lost a lot of respect for some people in this thread...."

Fabio I'm sorry to hear about your friends and can understand how difficult it must be when this topic raises its head.

Unfortunately there continues to be an ongoing debate globally about 9/11 and the 'truth' about it. Some conspiracies are far fetched (in my opinion) but also some things seem, on the face of it at least, to be odd or at least questionable (again, in my opinion) and in my view it's right to challenge and ask questions to ensure the answers are adequate. When they are, debate over.

Ok, a Swingers forum is not necessarily the most appropriate place for the debate but we can't stick our heads in the sand and ignore the ongoing debate and quest for closure that is out there already.

It was undoubtedly a tragic loss of life and whichever way you look at it a heinous crime of mass murder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

If you actually believe 5 different teams of immigrants managed to plan and co ordinate 9/11 including turning up in America and taking flying lessons then I wouldn't say you were insane but certainly very deluded

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Often but not on this subject, its my job to know these things.

My Dad's too, it wasn't controlled explosions or conspiracy.

Don't understand what should it look like?

I think I know what you're getting at, I could wrong.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Ok shall we now talk about 7/7 because that seems a forgotten event....just saying

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

So the bombs that went off in London was that not a conspiracy by our government?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ok shall we now talk about 7/7 because that seems a forgotten event....just saying "

Go for it. Another heinous crime of mass murder (like 9/11) that was equally as abhorrent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

The world was very different then getting on a plane in the USA then was like catching a train.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"So the bombs that went off in London was that not a conspiracy by our government? "

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"So the bombs that went off in London was that not a conspiracy by our government?

No"

lol so what makes 9/11 any different?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"So the bombs that went off in London was that not a conspiracy by our government?

lol so what makes 9/11 any different? "

Nothing

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Discussing theories, history etc. is one thing.

Insulting people with different views is another

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over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

The world was very different then getting on a plane in the USA then was like catching a train."

It's 15 years ago not 100...

Come off it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Discussing theories, history etc. is one thing.

Insulting people with different views is another

100% agree!

I kind of regret starting it now. I wanted to stimulate debate, but not abuse.

Debating and having differing opinions is healthy.

Keep the personal insults out of the debate please

Thank you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe you will find its called a massive intelligence service failure. Even now with the west being on a high terror threat level with massive resources being used on the fight against terrorists, acts of terrorism are still happening.

As for the flying lessons; the U.S. Is full of little airfields where you can book flying lessons.

As for the hole in the Pentagon; this is the military headquarters of the most powerful country. I should imagine it's constructed to take a battering from Missiles/bombs. Wings are also fuel filled made of light aluminium and attached to the plane by a small surface area. If your expecting something like a Plane shaped hole like Wiley Cayote in the cartoons you are very much mistaken

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"The world was very different then getting on a plane in the USA then was like catching a train.

It's 15 years ago not 100...

Come off it"

You are clearly quite ignorant of what caused flying to become so heavy on security

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

The world was very different then getting on a plane in the USA then was like catching a train.

It's 15 years ago not 100...

Come off it"

You haven't been to the US before 9/11, you just walked straight on, now its takes hours to go through all the security checks.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

It was a sinister marketing campaign by Porsche

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I believe you will find its called a massive intelligence service failure. Even now with the west being on a high terror threat level with massive resources being used on the fight against terrorists, acts of terrorism are still happening.

As for the flying lessons; the U.S. Is full of little airfields where you can book flying lessons.

That's exactly what I was thinking he meant.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"It was a sinister marketing campaign by Porsche

Oh yeah that reminds me I got a letter from them yesterday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

The world was very different then getting on a plane in the USA then was like catching a train.

It's 15 years ago not 100...

Come off it

You haven't been to the US before 9/11, you just walked straight on, now its takes hours to go through all the security checks."

Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone ever queried why some Israeli students rented a whole floor they were taking out windows marking all the walls up and were driving around in a van with the twin towers on in the week leading up to the attack. Who were they and what were they upto?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"So the bombs that went off in London was that not a conspiracy by our government?

lol so what makes 9/11 any different? "

9/11 wasn't a government-sponsored conspiracy either.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents. "

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm fairly ignorant of the whole affair so can't propose a nuanced summary of the causes and instigators. I do know governments don't reveal all and typically create conspiracy theories to deflect attention and cause ridicule and disbelief.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Has anyone ever queried why some Israeli students rented a whole floor they were taking out windows marking all the walls up and were driving around in a van with the twin towers on in the week leading up to the attack. Who were they and what were they upto?"

Have to say nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the flying lessons; the U.S. Is full of little airfields where you can book flying lessons.

That's exactly what I was thinking he meant.

If the wings are full of fuel then you would expect to see some kind of fire damage outside the pentagon wouldn't you?

You are unable to answer straight questions with a straight answer. Are you sure you actually believe what you believe? Hahaha

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

So I'm a little late to the party and cba to read it all.

Who's in favour of a conspiracy?

And who's against?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did the BBC (no, not THAT type of BBC you dirty lot!) really report the collapse of WTC building 7 20 minutes before it happened!?

Arguments on all sides of the conspiracy debate about that (both for and against a cover-up)

On a day like that when lines of information would have been sketchy at best it's easy to see how the BBC could have reported that a smaller building in the complex had fallen.

As for the steel structure; fire protection is sprayed onto beams when finished this looks like hardened foam, a massive impact would have shook loose a large amount of this.

One quick question for the conspiracy theorists; do the tin foil hats start to itch if you wear them for too long?

The world was very different then getting on a plane in the USA then was like catching a train.

It's 15 years ago not 100...

Come off it

You haven't been to the US before 9/11, you just walked straight on, now its takes hours to go through all the security checks.

Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents. "

I should of pointed out internal US flights, as all these were and yes they just like getting on a bus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"so answer this old chestnut if you can,how did both towers lose their tensile strength in such a way that they fell without bending to left or right???

The sheer weight of the floors collapsing from above.

If your logic is correct then the sheer weight from above would certainly stress the weakest point below I.e the hole where the plane hit. Then the collapse wouldn't have been straight down.

Have another go

The building destroyed the plane, it was the fire that brought down the floors, not the impact.

the building and subsequent fireball destroyed the plane,controlled demolition brought the tower down professionally . X2"

the only flaw with that actually there are many but the main one is the ringmain for the dem would have been damaged by the impact so as a plan its a bag of bollocks..

also the ringmain would have had to have been laid when the building was built, periodically tested etc..

the ringmain and the charges to commence a collapse could be post fitted, but then there's the issue of the massive impact that a jet plane which would compromise it beyond and success needed..

structural steel expands at about 600 degrees and starts to lose its strength, aviation fuel burns pretty high add in the impact and the weight of the plane then once those factors occurred the collapse was inevitable..

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"So I'm a little late to the party and cba to read it all.

Who's in favour of a conspiracy?

And who's against? "

Your lush tits guy is for the conspiracy, most of the rest of us aren't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

If you find it unpleasant you can change your attitude or leave

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So I'm a little late to the party and cba to read it all.

Who's in favour of a conspiracy?

And who's against? "

I'm not sure. All I know some people are getting personal in the thread and that makes me sad

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers"

Lockerbie is in Scotland, there's no denying that and it was an international flight

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

If you find it unpleasant you can change your attitude or leave

I only find you unpleasant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers

Lockerbie is in Scotland, there's no denying that and it was an international flight

Its a an American plane though so he's half right, sort of.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"So I'm a little late to the party and cba to read it all.

Who's in favour of a conspiracy?

And who's against?

Your lush tits guy is for the conspiracy, most of the rest of us aren't

Oh, disappointing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

If you find it unpleasant you can change your attitude or leave

I only find you unpleasant

That is your problem,did I knock you back or something? Get over it

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

If you find it unpleasant you can change your attitude or leave

I only find you unpleasant

That is your problem,did I knock you back or something? Get over it"

I knocked you back

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers

Lockerbie is in Scotland, there's no denying that and it was an international flight

Its a an American plane though so he's half right, sort of."

What did Lockerbie have to do with the tightening of US internal airline security after 9/11?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. Maybe they were remodelling the office; it happens and the fact they were Israeli, well the name of the building was WORLD TRADE Centre

2. You can't take the windows out, massive building, structural windows and high winds over the 15th floor

3. To bring down any building with explovises takes months of preparation: removal of structural supporting walls on most floors, drilling 100's-1000's of holes in which you poke in the what ever explosive you are using & then you connect each by detonator cable (itself dangerous) to the detornator. There would have been 100's of miles of this cable sat waiting had it been a controlled explosion

No one has yet answered my question about whether tin foil hats start to itch if worn for too long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Goodness gracious me!

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"No one has yet answered my question about whether tin foil hats start to itch if worn for too long"

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

1. Maybe they were remodelling the office; it happens and the fact they were Israeli, well the name of the building was WORLD TRADE Centre

2. You can't take the windows out, massive building, structural windows and high winds over the 15th floor

No one has yet answered my question about whether tin foil hats start to itch if worn for too long"

Not sure , but never wear one in a thunderstorm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers

Lockerbie is in Scotland, there's no denying that and it was an international flight

Its a an American plane though so he's half right, sort of.

What did Lockerbie have to do with the tightening of US internal airline security after 9/11?

No idea I'm feeling rather embarrassed for him actually, unless he's winding us up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. Maybe they were remodelling the office; it happens and the fact they were Israeli, well the name of the building was WORLD TRADE Centre

2. You can't take the windows out, massive building, structural windows and high winds over the 15th floor

No one has yet answered my question about whether tin foil hats start to itch if worn for too long"

Only if those Zionist buggers want them to.

They control us all, don't you know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

If you find it unpleasant you can change your attitude or leave

I only find you unpleasant

That is your problem,did I knock you back or something? Get over it

I knocked you back

Hahaha you beg for people to fab your pics I don't think you do a lot of knocking back...and don't expect a reply either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1. Maybe they were remodelling the office; it happens and the fact they were Israeli, well the name of the building was WORLD TRADE Centre

2. You can't take the windows out, massive building, structural windows and high winds over the 15th floor

No one has yet answered my question about whether tin foil hats start to itch if worn for too long

Not sure , but never wear one in a thunderstorm "

I only wish the conspiracy theorists would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers

Lockerbie is in Scotland, there's no denying that and it was an international flight

Its a an American plane though so he's half right, sort of.

What did Lockerbie have to do with the tightening of US internal airline security after 9/11?

No idea I'm feeling rather embarrassed for him actually, unless he's winding us up."

Your the one in Gloucester you don't feel sorry for anyone in civilisation so chill farmer Giles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I reckon it was the government, as fanatic as the US are, they carried out a planned genocide to justify the war against afghanistan and IS, they are not better than saddam hussein.

IS was not known back then I see, some as well say the afghan war is about oil, not terrorism.

It's all about oil."

And central banking systems as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Now you are drifting into laa laa land,airports were not just like bus stops at all. Before 9/11 there was Lockerbie and many other aircraft incidents.

Lockerbie was in Scotland. Internal flights in the US were not policed until 9/11.

It's a fact, go to Google and stop being so unpleasant in here

Lockerbies flight was a pan-am plane which is American. Kindly educate yourself and don't give me your unwanted advice. Cheers

Lockerbie is in Scotland, there's no denying that and it was an international flight

Its a an American plane though so he's half right, sort of.

What did Lockerbie have to do with the tightening of US internal airline security after 9/11?

No idea I'm feeling rather embarrassed for him actually, unless he's winding us up.

Your the one in Gloucester you don't feel sorry for anyone in civilisation so chill farmer Giles "

What's wrong with Gloucester, I've been to Nottingham its a dump

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are so lucky to have all these intrepid truth-seekers out there operating from their bedrooms in Birmingham (or wherever), valiantly standing up against the lizard-shaped mind-controllers with only a single YouTube account as their weapon

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"We are so lucky to have all these intrepid truth-seekers out there operating from their bedrooms in Birmingham (or wherever), valiantly standing up against the lizard-shaped mind-controllers with only a single YouTube account as their weapon

Hahaha

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I'm crying all over those beautiful tits

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm crying all over those beautiful tits

Don't worry, I'll find you some better ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm crying all over those beautiful tits

Careful he'll be having a go at Somerset and your cider.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm crying all over those beautiful tits

Careful he'll be having a go at Somerset and your cider."

Or the festival

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm crying all over those beautiful tits

Careful he'll be having a go at Somerset and your cider.

Or the festival

Don't tell anyone, Robin Hood was made up by the government, he never existed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question"
.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I'm crying all over those beautiful tits

Careful he'll be having a go at Somerset and your cider.

Or the festival

Don't tell anyone, Robin Hood was made up by the government, he never existed."

This is true, they've even got a Sherwood Forest in Notts to keep the myth alive.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?"

Can you message me it?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

*sniffs*

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"*sniffs*"

I've got some Mr Men tissues you can have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?

Can you message me it?

"
.

It's available freely on PDF... Has been for years

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"*sniffs*

I've got some Mr Men tissues you can have

Mr Horny?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"It's available freely on PDF... Has been for years"

Thank you

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"*sniffs*

I've got some Mr Men tissues you can have

Mr Horny? "

Mr Clever

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"*sniffs*

I've got some Mr Men tissues you can have

Mr Horny?

Mr Clever"

No.

My mum got me Mr Clever as an ironic Xmas pressie for my daughter. "That's your dad," she helpfully pointed out.

This annoyed me because, as any fule kno, the whole point of Mr Clever is that he isn't.

I'm...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?"

Are opinions not allowed without reading an official government report?

I don't need a report to tell me that, whilst I'm sure we don't know everything and advantage was taken of a terrible situation, the American government did not carry out this atrocity.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"*sniffs*

I've got some Mr Men tissues you can have

Mr Horny?

Mr Clever

No.

My mum got me Mr Clever as an ironic Xmas pressie for my daughter. "That's your dad," she helpfully pointed out.

This annoyed me because, as any fule kno, the whole point of Mr Clever is that he isn't.

I'm..."

Mr Impossible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want to belive in a conspiracy by all means but please read the fucking report first and go from there, don't be a lazy cunt who just tunes into YouTube for any old whack jobs opinion...

That goes for the other half, don't start telling people there idiots when you haven't read the report yourself.... Go read it and then come back with your questions

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

The conspiracy theories around 9-11 are rubbish.

Classic case of people understandably finding unusual occurrences/holes in an official story (which is inevitable with a case of this magnitude), then substituting it with a story that has an article massively greater number of holes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?

Are opinions not allowed without reading an official government report?

I don't need a report to tell me that, whilst I'm sure we don't know everything and advantage was taken of a terrible situation, the American government did not carry out this atrocity."
.

You can have any opinion you like, it's just likely to be a bag of shit if you've never read anything about what your giving your opinion on

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"*sniffs*

I've got some Mr Men tissues you can have

Mr Horny?

Mr Clever

No.

My mum got me Mr Clever as an ironic Xmas pressie for my daughter. "That's your dad," she helpfully pointed out.

This annoyed me because, as any fule kno, the whole point of Mr Clever is that he isn't.

I'm...

Mr Impossible

Of course

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?

Are opinions not allowed without reading an official government report?

I don't need a report to tell me that, whilst I'm sure we don't know everything and advantage was taken of a terrible situation, the American government did not carry out this atrocity..

You can have any opinion you like, it's just likely to be a bag of shit if you've never read anything about what your giving your opinion on"

Okie Dokie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

These are facts you are meant to conveniently overlook...

The planes hit near the top though.

The weight of the floors above the impact would of made it come straight down like a house of cards once the fires started distorting the steel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've read through this entire thread with interest.

What is apparent is that the people who were directly affected by the 9/11 atrocity, who knew people that were killed or affected, appear to be offended by anybody who questions the officially reported version of who was responsible. (Conspiracy theorists)

I can understand that if you were directly affected by that event then you would want answers as to why it happened and who was responsible, only then could you start to get any closure.

The whole of America needed somebody to blame, retribution was needed.

Muslim fanatics were reported responsible quite quickly afterwards, there was now an enemy, somebody to hate.

Any act of aggression now could be justified as it could now be seen as self defence.

The conspiracy theorists have merely asked uncomfortable questions relating to the official explanation of what happened. These questions are based on widely reported factual evidence that the way the towers collapsed could only have been caused by a controlled demolition and not by an aircraft.

There are testimonies from pilots who say that it would be virtually impossible to fly a passenger aircraft at such speed and hit such a small target so accurately, even by a highly experienced pilots. Non of the named perpetrators were experienced pilots.

And today it's now acceptable to bomb Afghanistan as they harbour the enemy.

Incidentally, Afghanistan happens to be the only country the USA is unable utilise to pipe oil direct from Arabian oil fields from.

A "conspiracy theorist" is purely somebody who examines what's presented in front of them in more detail, as opposed to believing everything they are told.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've read through this entire thread with interest.

I can understand that if you were directly affected by that event then you would want answers as to why it happened and who was responsible, only then could you start to get any closure.

The whole of America needed somebody to blame, retribution was needed.

Muslim fanatics were reported responsible quite quickly afterwards, there was now an enemy, somebody to hate.

Any act of aggression now could be justified as it could now be seen as self defence.

And today it's now acceptable to bomb Afghanistan as they harbour the enemy.

Incidentally, Afghanistan happens to be the only country the USA is unable utilise to pipe oil direct from Arabian oil fields from.

A "conspiracy theorist" is purely somebody who examines what's presented in front of them in more detail, as opposed to believing everything they are told.

*coRUBBISHffs*

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over a year ago

"I've read through this entire thread with interest.

I can understand that if you were directly affected by that event then you would want answers as to why it happened and who was responsible, only then could you start to get any closure.

The whole of America needed somebody to blame, retribution was needed.

Muslim fanatics were reported responsible quite quickly afterwards, there was now an enemy, somebody to hate.

Any act of aggression now could be justified as it could now be seen as self defence.

And today it's now acceptable to bomb Afghanistan as they harbour the enemy.

Incidentally, Afghanistan happens to be the only country the USA is unable utilise to pipe oil direct from Arabian oil fields from.

A "conspiracy theorist" is purely somebody who examines what's presented in front of them in more detail, as opposed to believing everything they are told.

*coRUBBISHffs*"

Excellent counter argument, well put! I've now changed my opinion.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I've read through this entire thread with interest.

I can understand that if you were directly affected by that event then you would want answers as to why it happened and who was responsible, only then could you start to get any closure.

The whole of America needed somebody to blame, retribution was needed.

Muslim fanatics were reported responsible quite quickly afterwards, there was now an enemy, somebody to hate.

Any act of aggression now could be justified as it could now be seen as self defence.

And today it's now acceptable to bomb Afghanistan as they harbour the enemy.

Incidentally, Afghanistan happens to be the only country the USA is unable utilise to pipe oil direct from Arabian oil fields from.

A "conspiracy theorist" is purely somebody who examines what's presented in front of them in more detail, as opposed to believing everything they are told.

*coRUBBISHffs*

Excellent counter argument, well put! I've now changed my opinion.

I think he's referring to Gore Vidal's Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace theory.

Watch: The Power of Nightmares as a chaser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares

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over a year ago

My office was the second. Tower to drop. I was only by the grace of God that I missed my flight from Europe the day before. I lost many friends and colleagues that day. I went to their memorials as. There were no bodies to intern or bury. I saw the heartache of a nation and of their families and it is by far too serious a topic to jauntily pander wild theories over. Respect the innocent who died that day. I spent seven years in the Stans playing a part in payback. Please remember those victims and the brave warriors who gave their lives to pursue justice. We should have finished it harder.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

And my first babysitter was on one of the planes...

But what about the hundreds of thousands of lives of other innocents who followed in Afghanistan, Iraq - given hope and then had it taken away during the Arab Spring - and now the cluster fuck that is Syria.

There is no comparison of atrocities and you can't turn back the clock but it would have been a lot better for everyone if Iraq had never been invaded.

Maybe.

Two wrongs don't make a right n' all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I cannot fault your logic. Again we should have finished it.

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By *avrick15Man
over a year ago

glasgow

This is too deep, on the other thread it's all about pussy tightness and alternative anal

A wide range of topics it would seem

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By *uddlybear2015Man
over a year ago

BEDFORD

"I thought the 911 report made it quite clear it was the Saudis who financed it through Pakistan and the Israelis covered their tracks... "

And israel would help pakistan and saudi arabia?? Not sure they are natural bed fellows. Is it so hard to believe radical jihadists would carry out such an attack?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally someone on the same page. I always get why did you steal the oil thats all the war was about. Me nor any other rehiment to my knowlage nor the SF had anything to do with oil or protectimf the fields and if we spent all that money goimg to war for oil surley we would have been sent to protect the plants. This sort of thing winds me up. The old " jet fuel cant melt steel" and the " go do your research " makes me laugh. If inlooked hard enoufj on line i am sure i woul find evidance that unicorns exsist all these people are doimf is reading something that someone els has put up

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story."

You are right and wrong about HOAF and steel.

You are not necessarily correct in thinking you saw molten steel.

The truth is probably stranger than you think and although not publicised is in the public domain.

Firstly there was an international conspiracy, but it not the one most subscribe to. The conspiracy was required to keep us all safe while an composites were developed and introduced to replace the world fleet of aluminium large bodied and jumbo jets.

What happened when the Jets crashed into the WTC is that an intense fire started triggering the fire suppression pumping thousands of gallons of water onto the impact site and floors above and below. The fire also started to melt the 60+ tonnes of aluminium.

When water and molten aluminium come in contact they explode, this explosive release of energy is plenty to melt steel.

Steel is refined iron. If iron and aluminium are combined and heat is applied there is an uncontrollable exothermic reaction. (There is a name for combined aluminium and iron, we call it thermite.)

Eventually enough aluminium exploded to melt enough steel to produce enough thermite to burn through the floors to a place where there was enough water to cause a massive molten aluminium explosion that brought down the buildings.

Therefore there was a bomb in both building. Each bomb had 4 elements, 2 (water fire suppression system and steel) were always there in the buildings, the other 2 were the planes and the HOAF.

The conspiracy was one of silence and misdirection in order to keep the real cause of the building collapses secret until air-frames could be built without using aluminium.

It worked!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where are all the composite airframes?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Where are all the composite airframes?"

All Airbus and Boeing Dreamliners are made composites mainly PRCF (polymer reinforced carbon fibre) and CF (carbon fibre). With older plane designs it is a case of substituting PRCF and CF where possible reducing the use of aluminium to a minimum over time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why did building 7 fall then I have seen the news coverage from the bbc that said building number 7 had fallen when it was clearly still visible in the background still standing

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over a year ago

"Aircraft fuel cannot burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel, in fact few things do.

I saw the dripping molten steel.

I believe we don't know the full story.

You are right and wrong about HOAF and steel.

You are not necessarily correct in thinking you saw molten steel.

The truth is probably stranger than you think and although not publicised is in the public domain.

When water and molten aluminium come in contact they explode, this explosive release of energy is plenty to melt steel.

Steel is refined iron. If iron and aluminium are combined and heat is applied there is an uncontrollable exothermic reaction. (There is a name for combined aluminium and iron, we call it thermite.)

Therefore there was a bomb in both building. Each bomb had 4 elements, 2 (water fire suppression system and steel) were always there in the buildings, the other 2 were the planes and the HOAF.

The conspiracy was one of silence and misdirection in order to keep the real cause of the building collapses secret until air-frames could be built without using aluminium.

It worked!

But there are still thousands of planes used that are older than 9/11 so they still have aluminium frame work.

Has anyone ever thought that like most consiracy theories alot of 9/11 theories were started by the government as a campaign of misdirectiom to cover up the fact that they massively fucked up? This was afterall one of the biggest failures of worldwide intelligence services who until 9/11 pretty much refused to cooperate with each other. If you read the many government reports and rfi's between countries the perpertrators of this atrocity were actually on multiple terrorism watch lists. They even considered stopping one of the aircraft from taking off because a suspected terrorist was onboard but by the time different agency's had finished measuring dick the plane was in the air. So basically the governments of the world fucked up and instead of holding their hands up they used their overly sloping shoulders to blame someone else for their fuck up

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Why did building 7 fall then I have seen the news coverage from the bbc that said building number 7 had fallen when it was clearly still visible in the background still standing"

Sorry I don't have all the answers, but I do know why the twin towers fell and understand why it was not made public at the time.

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over a year ago

"Why did building 7 fall then I have seen the news coverage from the bbc that said building number 7 had fallen when it was clearly still visible in the background still standing

Sorry I don't have all the answers, but I do know why the twin towers fell and understand why it was not made public at the time.

If you and others choose to ignore what I have said about the basic chemistry and mechanics of the destruction of the twin towers that's up to you. After all I am sure you will find a way to discount and dismiss what I have said in favour of..."
I'm not discounting how the towers fell that was obviously the fire coupled with poorly designed buildings but building 7 had no exterior impact no major fires yet it too fell that must of been demolished for some reason and how quickly did they arrange that demolition a building that size takes weeks of planning to pull it down yet they managed it in a few hours or could it be it was already set up to come down did someone somewhere know what was going to happen in not disputing the twin towers and why they came down

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Why is it that of all of the bombings and attacks that take place worldwide by terrorists, no one ever questions who did it...except this one?

The reason why scientists don't waste their time attempting to prove that it was or wasn't a terrorist attack is that they can see what is blaringly obvious..

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, well, it's a duck!!!

Question for all you so called experts that think it was a government conspiracy....

If for arguments sake, somehow the building had been rigged with explosives and no one had noticed the trails of det cord and cutting charges..

-Something definitely crashed into the buildings..agreed?

-A huge fire ensued from then on..agreed?

-Det cord ignition temperature is around 140'c and PE4 at around 170'c, how come none of this ignited prematurely due to the fire??

As for heat hot enough to melt metal, heat rises and needs oxygen to burn. It would have been drawing air up the elevator shafts to feed the fires heart. Enough air being driven into that fire would have driven the temperatures up enough to melt steel. A simple effect like opening the vent on a bunsen burner.

Look at the effects of the fire in the gothard tunnel and that was just car fuel.

The reason the building didn't topple is through its design.. A central core and an exoskeleton which maintained the integrity just couldn't support the extra weight of the floors collapsing from above.

I'm sorry, but all the conspiracy theories just are too flawed to hold water.

Move on and put your efforts into solving the greatest conspiracy of our times...why is the X factor so popular??

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over a year ago

"My office was the second. Tower to drop. I was only by the grace of God that I missed my flight from Europe the day before. I lost many friends and colleagues that day. I went to their memorials as. There were no bodies to intern or bury. I saw the heartache of a nation and of their families and it is by far too serious a topic to jauntily pander wild theories over. Respect the innocent who died that day. I spent seven years in the Stans playing a part in payback. Please remember those victims and the brave warriors who gave their lives to pursue justice. We should have finished it harder. "
.....payback?....George bush killed 500, 000 iraqis "freeing" them. How many afgan's did your "brave warriors kill in your payback scheme?.. Most of the hijackers were Saudi nationals. ..how many of them did you payback?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My office was the second. Tower to drop. I was only by the grace of God that I missed my flight from Europe the day before. I lost many friends and colleagues that day. I went to their memorials as. There were no bodies to intern or bury. I saw the heartache of a nation and of their families and it is by far too serious a topic to jauntily pander wild theories over. Respect the innocent who died that day. I spent seven years in the Stans playing a part in payback. Please remember those victims and the brave warriors who gave their lives to pursue justice. We should have finished it harder. .....payback?....George bush killed 500, 000 iraqis "freeing" them. How many afgan's did your "brave warriors kill in your payback scheme?.. Most of the hijackers were Saudi nationals. ..how many of them did you payback? "
same as the IRA and the British government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My office was the second. Tower to drop. I was only by the grace of God that I missed my flight from Europe the day before. I lost many friends and colleagues that day. I went to their memorials as. There were no bodies to intern or bury. I saw the heartache of a nation and of their families and it is by far too serious a topic to jauntily pander wild theories over. Respect the innocent who died that day. I spent seven years in the Stans playing a part in payback. Please remember those victims and the brave warriors who gave their lives to pursue justice. We should have finished it harder. .....payback?....George bush killed 500, 000 iraqis "freeing" them. How many afgan's did your "brave warriors kill in your payback scheme?.. Most of the hijackers were Saudi nationals. ..how many of them did you payback? same as the IRA and the British government"
..I wasn't aware that the IRA had anything to do with 9/11

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For anyone that has watched a liquid fuel fire test will tell you that the concrete around the arena bursts and steel girders after several minutes will start to bend.

Add hundreds of tonnes of metal smashing into the structure at 300+ knots, that's enough to severely compromise any building structure.

Every nut wants to lay the blame elsewhere cos the truth is just so boring..

A conspiracy by international governments is far more interesting than a bunch of religious fanatics."

There is a video on YouTube somewhere, done by an aircraft engineer. I don't know if it's accurate or not as there was no rebutles. He basically debunks the notion that a plane could reach sufficient velocity to penetrate a concrete structure in the way the footage depicts. The video backs it up with footage of crash test planes etc..

I'm not quite sure what to believe about 9/11, I wouldn't be at all shocked to find out it was an inside job by vested interests. Though would like to believe we really aren't that far gone yet. However that video really made me wonder because I can't find any logic to debunk it. Though as I said I've no knowledge of thermo dynamics.

As for the going to war for oil argument, that's bollox. They went to war, for war. War is a huge global business now. Look how much money Donald Rumsfeld's Haliburton have made out of these wars. That would be inventive enough to do this. America is the most dangerous nation on this planet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where are all the composite airframes?

That's simply not true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The lusitania, pearl harbour, gulf of tonkin. Not to mention operation Northwoods which Kennedy wouldn't sign. The world is a corrupted place. Corrupted by the few not the majority. Sending economic hitmen into other countries. Equador for example. I'd love to say I was wrong, but the evidence is very compelling. For every life taken from us, our hearts go out to you all.

For all of mankind, peace, love and good will to you all.

Big hugs Gina and Mistress L xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I thought the 911 report made it quite clear it was the Saudis who financed it through Pakistan and the Israelis covered their tracks...

And israel would help pakistan and saudi arabia?? Not sure they are natural bed fellows. Is it so hard to believe radical jihadists would carry out such an attack? "
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You do remember the Iran contra scandal?.

The one where Israel secured weapons for Iran for contra forces in Nicaragua which was paid for by cocaine and which the Americans hoped would secure hostages.... The Israelis of course had to work as intermediates because Iran was under an UN arm's embargo at the time!.

I didn't say 19 hijackers didn't carry it out but then I wouldn't say that because 6 have since turned up alive one works as a pilot for Saudi Arabia airlines.

The 911 commission report is full of holes and shoddily put together considering what it was covering, when you do something shoddily you will get the theorists putting together wild stories.

Deciphering between them all is hard work

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"For anyone that has watched a liquid fuel fire test will tell you that the concrete around the arena bursts and steel girders after several minutes will start to bend.

Add hundreds of tonnes of metal smashing into the structure at 300+ knots, that's enough to severely compromise any building structure.

Every nut wants to lay the blame elsewhere cos the truth is just so boring..

A conspiracy by international governments is far more interesting than a bunch of religious fanatics.

If a 400kg penetrator bomb can get through 5 meters of reinforced concrete, a 180 tonnes of jetliner is more than capable of smashing through a meter of structural concrete and glass.

The jet would have impacted with a force of over 300kN of force.

A 767 is aluminium construction so would have disintegrated in the fire.

Kerosene burns at in excess of 2000'c, steel melts at 1500'c.

There were distress calls from one of the hijacked airliners and phone calls from passengers on board to family members describing what had happened.

Is there any more compelling evidence needed to prove it was a barbaric act of terrorism?

And whilst on the subject of reasons for sending troops into Afghanistan, the Taliban used terror to control a nation, torturing and murdering men, women and children.

Surely that alone is enough justification to get rid of a radical extremist group and free a country from a tyrannical grip.

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over a year ago

I (mr) could go on and on and onnnnnn about this, but I won't.

Long story short.

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

There are HUNDREDS of reasons why it scientifically HAD TO BE an inside job.

I won't list them, but read a book called:

The new pearl harbour, disturbing questions about 9/11 and the bush administration.

If you read it and STILL think it was not an inside job, you are a tin hatter!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?

Are opinions not allowed without reading an official government report?

I don't need a report to tell me that, whilst I'm sure we don't know everything and advantage was taken of a terrible situation, the American government did not carry out this atrocity..

You can have any opinion you like, it's just likely to be a bag of shit if you've never read anything about what your giving your opinion on"

not if its based on experience in working in one or two area's that are relevant to the question in debate..

just a thought..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about WCT7 then? Hmnmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The lusitania, pearl harbour, gulf of tonkin. Not to mention operation Northwoods which Kennedy wouldn't sign. The world is a corrupted place. "

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over a year ago

"Hands up who's read the 911 report?..... Just a simple question.

Come on simple question, your all giving your fucking opinions... Who's read the official government report?

Are opinions not allowed without reading an official government report?

I don't need a report to tell me that, whilst I'm sure we don't know everything and advantage was taken of a terrible situation, the American government did not carry out this atrocity..

You can have any opinion you like, it's just likely to be a bag of shit if you've never read anything about what your giving your opinion on

not if its based on experience in working in one or two area's that are relevant to the question in debate..

just a thought.."
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Well I was taking a wild stab in the dark that they weren't working in counter intelligence or aircraft investigation?.

If you haven't read the 911 report having an opinion on it seems a bit pointless

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over a year ago

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

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How long did they estimate it would take to work out the best places and then install the thermite cording?.

Did they have any idea how to do the work without being, well traced and spotted, who and how many people would be needed to carry out the work?.

All your raising is more questions than answers!.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

If the cia did it, why would they bother crashing a plane into it?

Just blow up the tower and say IS did it.

Crashing a plane into them, with the building pre-rigged, doesn't even make sense for a conspiracy theory.

It's BS in my opinion.

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over a year ago

"I (mr) could go on and on and onnnnnn about this, but I won't.

Long story short.

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

There are HUNDREDS of reasons why it scientifically HAD TO BE an inside job.

I won't list them, but read a book called:

The new pearl harbour, disturbing questions about 9/11 and the bush administration.

If you read it and STILL think it was not an inside job, you are a tin hatter!"

Utter rubbish,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if the plane had missed and only a wing hit and not enough damage to set off the thermite, would any investigation then find the implanted devices, would you be able to cover it up? Would you be able to pass it off as jihadist work?.

I'm not being funny but your just overcomplicating a very simple problem..... If the US wanted to fly planes into buildings.... They could just pay the crazy jihadist themselves, it's not like there'd struggle to find anyone

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"I (mr) could go on and on and onnnnnn about this, but I won't.

Long story short.

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

There are HUNDREDS of reasons why it scientifically HAD TO BE an inside job.

I won't list them, but read a book called:

The new pearl harbour, disturbing questions about 9/11 and the bush administration.

If you read it and STILL think it was not an inside job, you are a tin hatter!

Utter rubbish,

You will never change the opinions of people over conspiracies.. Some people live for them.

As for thermite, bear with me here.. An aluminium structure has just smashed itself into tiny pieces, with a shed load of propellant (fuel) which starts to liquefy the aluminium particles along with the ferric oxide on the steel reinforcement of the structure.. There you go, an exothermic effect.

As the flame temperature of Kerosene (aviation fuel) is over 2000'c this burns as hot as any thermic event. Add a source of oxygen rising up the elevator shafts feeding the centre of the inferno and that temperature would be far higher. Then of course the fuel that made it to the underground system below the towers which started subsequent fires including that in Tower 7 which eventually collapsed through heat damage driven up through the building as each tower collapsed.

That is why scientists do not question what happened that day but see it as a sad and tragic event.

On paper you can make any event possible if you want to believe it, and I am sure that this non government commissioned investigation would also have concluded many other options, all of which have been ignored in favour for the one that bests suits the conspiracists beliefs.

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over a year ago

"I (mr) could go on and on and onnnnnn about this, but I won't.

Long story short.

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

There are HUNDREDS of reasons why it scientifically HAD TO BE an inside job.

I won't list them, but read a book called:

The new pearl harbour, disturbing questions about 9/11 and the bush administration.

If you read it and STILL think it was not an inside job, you are a tin hatter!

Utter rubbish,

Thanks for that expert analysis. Remind me to ask you about things I've researched for years again sometimes, your insightful answers really interest me.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

As for 9/11, I don't know what happened, but I don't see any evidence to prove that the story we are being told is true.

For example

1. In 2001, The official story claims Bin Laden was responsible.

BUT in 2006, the FBI says, it has “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

Bin Laden was never charged for the events on 9/11, because the FBI says there is no evidence to even bring a charge against him.

2. The official story also claims that fire brought down Building 7 ( even though no plane even hit that building)

However NIST - the institute which was charged with investigating the collapse of that building had this to say:

"No conclusive evidence was found to indicate that pre-collapse fires were sever enough to have a significant effect on the microstructure that would have resulted in weakening of the steel structure." NIST NCSTAR 1-3C, p. 235

no evidence the type of joining methods, materials, or welding procedures used was improper NIST 1-3 p.99

recovered bolts were stronger than typical. NIST 1-2 p.133

"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 6.6.2"

Steel often melts at around 1370C , BUT the fires on building 7 were only 250C, In short fire did not bring that building down.

These are Legal and Scientific facts, which conflict with the official story we are being told.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I (mr) could go on and on and onnnnnn about this, but I won't.

Long story short.

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

There are HUNDREDS of reasons why it scientifically HAD TO BE an inside job.

I won't list them, but read a book called:

The new pearl harbour, disturbing questions about 9/11 and the bush administration.

If you read it and STILL think it was not an inside job, you are a tin hatter!"

without stating the obvious did these 5 companies state just how they would accomplish this on a fitted out and busy building in use, did they suggest when they would lay out the ringmain and the cutting charges for when the event was to occur..?

the resources for such a task twice and 3 times if your saying wt7 was also rigged for dem would be massive..

also any book with the title, the new pearl harbour?

whats the theory behind that title in relation to this conspiracy theory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I (mr) could go on and on and onnnnnn about this, but I won't.

Long story short.

USAs 5 most trusted (non government sponsored) demolition company's did an investigation and concluded it HAD to be a controlled demolition using thermite cording.

There are HUNDREDS of reasons why it scientifically HAD TO BE an inside job.

I won't list them, but read a book called:

The new pearl harbour, disturbing questions about 9/11 and the bush administration.

If you read it and STILL think it was not an inside job, you are a tin hatter!

the resources for such a task twice and 3 times if your saying wt7 was also rigged for dem would be massive..

also any book with the title, the new pearl harbour?

whats the theory behind that title in relation to this conspiracy theory?

Will reply in substance in a bit just "working" ish (I try not to work too much).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that of all of the bombings and attacks that take place worldwide by terrorists, no one ever questions who did it...except this one?

The reason why scientists don't waste their time attempting to prove that it was or wasn't a terrorist attack is that they can see what is blaringly obvious..

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, well, it's a duck!!!

Question for all you so called experts that think it was a government conspiracy....

If for arguments sake, somehow the building had been rigged with explosives and no one had noticed the trails of det cord and cutting charges..

-Something definitely crashed into the buildings..agreed?

-A huge fire ensued from then on..agreed?

-Det cord ignition temperature is around 140'c and PE4 at around 170'c, how come none of this ignited prematurely due to the fire??

Look at the effects of the fire in the gothard tunnel and that was just car fuel.

I'm sorry, but all the conspiracy theories just are too flawed to hold water.

Move on and put your efforts into solving the greatest conspiracy of our times...why is the X factor so popular??"

Any explosive like pe4/c4 (the same thing) are plastic explosive which are detonated with an electrical charge not det cord. Plastic explosives can withstand fires and explosions without detonating hence wht they're favoured by militaries worldwide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that of all of the bombings and attacks that take place worldwide by terrorists, no one ever questions who did it...except this one?

The reason why scientists don't waste their time attempting to prove that it was or wasn't a terrorist attack is that they can see what is blaringly obvious..

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, well, it's a duck!!!

Question for all you so called experts that think it was a government conspiracy....

If for arguments sake, somehow the building had been rigged with explosives and no one had noticed the trails of det cord and cutting charges..

-Something definitely crashed into the buildings..agreed?

-A huge fire ensued from then on..agreed?

-Det cord ignition temperature is around 140'c and PE4 at around 170'c, how come none of this ignited prematurely due to the fire??

Look at the effects of the fire in the gothard tunnel and that was just car fuel.

I'm sorry, but all the conspiracy theories just are too flawed to hold water.

Move on and put your efforts into solving the greatest conspiracy of our times...why is the X factor so popular??

Didn't they prove that their was the presence of thermite ?? If so no det cord would be need only something like a sparkler, with when lit by a lighter can then spark thermite due to the temperature it can reach

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

as I recall pe4 was better for cooking on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is it that of all of the bombings and attacks that take place worldwide by terrorists, no one ever questions who did it...except this one?

The reason why scientists don't waste their time attempting to prove that it was or wasn't a terrorist attack is that they can see what is blaringly obvious..

If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, well, it's a duck!!!

Question for all you so called experts that think it was a government conspiracy....

If for arguments sake, somehow the building had been rigged with explosives and no one had noticed the trails of det cord and cutting charges..

-Something definitely crashed into the buildings..agreed?

-A huge fire ensued from then on..agreed?

-Det cord ignition temperature is around 140'c and PE4 at around 170'c, how come none of this ignited prematurely due to the fire??

Look at the effects of the fire in the gothard tunnel and that was just car fuel.

I'm sorry, but all the conspiracy theories just are too flawed to hold water.

Move on and put your efforts into solving the greatest conspiracy of our times...why is the X factor so popular??

The reality is..even the most bizarre of the proposed theories hold more water than the official line. Supposedly a plane hit the corner of a skyscraper and the skyscraper caught fire and the internal floors collapsed causing the skyscraper to collapse in on itself...X 2.

Really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok I'm going to try and put 10 years worth of research that went into the book and its republishing/s into a not too long thread.

So thermite was what brought the towers down (5 top demolition companies agree). There are a few reasons.

1. The steel beams all had very unique angular severs in them at almost exact lengths/distances.

2. The "free fall" speed the towers fell means several hundred explosive charges would be needed the ought the buildings structure which is most easily done with thermite cord.

3. Residue of thermite was found at the wreckage (though this was never allowed to be discussed openly due to 9/11 commission report sealed evidence).

How was thermite planted?

Well several weeks before the buildings went down the buildings were closed for "routine maintenance to fire, emergency and safety systems". This work was carried out at night, with no staff ot WTC allowed to be present due to "chemicals being used" etc etc.

The company who did the security/safety contract was George bush jnrs nephews company (factual verifiable evidence via company records).

The company (often thought of as a CIA closed operation front company, these exist you can research these and see the CIA does it all the time) accessed all areas of the building including the super structure and steel columns. Due to company policy on data protection the employees carrying out the "work" were never named and the 9/11 commission didn't ask.

George bush jnr was good friends with the owner of wtc1&2 who incidentally took out a separate insurance policy just 3 months before the collapses for "terrorist attacks by aeroplane against the towers" (verifiable FACT) and successfully claimed that the attacks were 2 SEPARATE incidents so received $480 BILLION insurance payout.

Enormous amounts of gold were stored at WTC 7 (7 billion dollars) and it just "disappeared". Verifiable fact.

When America went to war over 9/11 hundreds if billions in defence contract work was poured into it.

George bush jnr/senior and other prominent figures are share holders in all these companies.

There is further evidence that I REALLY could go on about such as 2 channels reporting the collapse 9 mins before it happened (verifiable fact).

George bush doing a press conference after the first attack and saying those planeS hitting the towerS etc etc.

Ok so the pearl harbour reference in a nutshell....

The US knew beforehand that a Japanese fleet was heading across the sea as Britain , Spain and Jersey all warned the US government.

The UK said pearl harbour was a liny target (as almost 75% of the fleet was there).

The people of the US were not keen to allow the country into a war, an excuse was needed.

Why did the men in power want war?

Well all that gold that hitler was pinching.

They wanted it and by Jove they got it.

At the cost of many lives and ships which shocked the nation so badly they (the same folk that disnt want war before) damn well DEMANDED the US go to war (sound familiar)?

When huge sums of money, gold etc are at stake, life is cheap, and lies and corruption are rife.

Please do your own research on all I've said, none of it is tin hat.

All verifiable evidence if you look in the right sources. (Mainstream media is not the right source).

But please do research

This is the top of the iceberg of info I could give but I am technically at work

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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

PE denotes the plasticiser used to bond the RDX material, pe being the uk designation and C or CE, the US.

It is detonated using a low grade explosive, whether det cord (shock tubes used by military for simple dems) or remote electronic squib iniated by a firing pack.

All HT1 explosives need a significant amount of heat and shock to initiate it by means of a chain reaction (typically referred as the explosive train).

However that is all very insignificant to the debate above.

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