FabSwingers.com forum: obesity

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Since over 50% of men and women in this country are overweight or obese (men very slightly ahead of women), do you think you could tell just by looking at someone whether they fall into the overweight or obese category?

I think that we see overweight as pretty much the norm so probably understate categories. In clothing, size 14, I look a little overweight and yet my scales, today, tell me I have just entered obesity.

How are you and your weight/size?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Another thought - should I class myself, at a size 14, a BBW?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Puk according to stats is slightly over weight,Lincs has a boi of 20% so maybe needs a few extra pounds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think I could tell what weight category people fall into by looking at them. And I doubt someone could by simply looking at me either. I think that sort of thing is harder than people admit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am living the fitness lifestyle and got a 6pack

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I was obese. I am now merely overweight. Aiming for within the healthy zone eventually. And currently a size 14, all of which I think you can tell from my photos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suffer with this

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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We know you live at the gym

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm obese. I think you do get used to seeing what you see around you. I'm the fattest of most of my family, friends and colleagues by miles. So when I hear statistics like 50% of people are overweight or obese I really wonder where they all are. I think if I saw other fat people all day long it probably would become normalised to me, but as it is I'm still the outlier in my world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can be a size 14, 5ft tall, and be a little curvy. You can be a size 14, 5ft 10", and look very slim. I don't think clothes size defines people personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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We know you live at the gym

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I deleted it by mistake there "I am living the fitness lifestyle and got a 6pack" That is right, it is my 2nd home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I didn't really answer the question but no, I don't think I'd be good at assigning many people to their correct weight category.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would class you as a bbw or obese. You very sexy and curvaceous which in my humble opinion is much better than being a stick.

On the other hand I would class myself as falling into that pigeon hole as I am 6'1" and 19st. Mind you it will have to be a ruddy big pigeon hole more a cave lol.

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By *lla_maiWoman
over a year ago

staffordshire

Imo as a society we have got larger over time, i wouldnt necessarily think that some people are overweight by seeing pictures or meeting them, but know that from statistics and bmi categories its more prominant than you would think.

I know myself when i joined the gym a coupke of years ago i was shocked to find i was in the obese category, which in a way knocked my confidence moreso than not knowing the information. Even at a weight where i was larger than i wanted to be i did not think i was obese

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't be able to tell what size someone is without asking. Also, sizing varies between shops which complicates things further.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"I'm obese. I think you do get used to seeing what you see around you. I'm the fattest of most of my family, friends and colleagues by miles. So when I hear statistics like 50% of people are overweight or obese I really wonder where they all are. I think if I saw other fat people all day long it probably would become normalised to me, but as it is I'm still the outlier in my world."
would call you rubenesque ruby and bloody lovely lots of loveley curves

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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago

Livingston

I wouldn't class a size 14 as obese, would class that as "normal/average", but unless meeting in person it;s hard to tell.

I'm under 7 stone with a BMI of 12.4 and classed by the hospital as borderline anorexic, but I don't see that, neither do others..

Some people cannot help there weight (either way) due to health problems or other factors. And to be classed as obese or in my case "a stick" by people that only see the outside and not the internal factors is just wrong (MY opinion only).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy

Haven't been gym in years, got a very physical job

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I see some that I think are the same size as me or larger and then find that I have guestimated them incorrectly.

I'm obese and choosing to ignore it for now.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Since over 50% of men and women in this country are overweight or obese (men very slightly ahead of women), do you think you could tell just by looking at someone whether they fall into the overweight or obese category?

How are you and your weight/size?"

I don't like to categorise anyone....I see no point in it. Does it matter of you see them as overweight or obese? What is there to gain from guessing their category? Do you win a prize? If you do....can I eat it?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My body is my temple and i worship it every second of everyday

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The word is just a word, a medical definition, not an insult. I find it odd when people say "I don't class x size as obese" - well it is, it's just maths.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My body is my temple and i worship it every second of everyday

Mines a funfair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Twirl is in the 'ideal' range, I'm at slightly overweight but wouldn't be much lighter even at my fittest.

Seeing overweight people has become normal but it's still very obvious when we stop and look. It's not like everyone is in the slightly podgy category; there's a divide between people who are fit and people who are huge (with some between).

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By *cotFit4funMan
over a year ago

Kettering

I used to need 38inch waist trousers but a couple of years ago decided to sort myself out. I now wear 32inch waist trousers although i have a pair of jeans 30inch waist!

Im just over 12 stone and 6 foot tall.. feeling trim and great.. i keep in check with the 5:2 fasting diet.. works well for me too..

I definitely feel much sexier these days

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"The word is just a word, a medical definition, not an insult. I find it odd when people say "I don't class x size as obese" - well it is, it's just maths. "

When I say I am fat I not denigrating myself, I am just giving an accurate description.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Twirl is in the 'ideal' range, I'm at slightly overweight but wouldn't be much lighter even at my fittest.

14 May 2016 pic got my vote

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"My body is my temple and i worship it every second of everyday

Mines a funfair "

How many tickets for a ride?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

BMI isn't a perfect tool as a baseline. I have a lean American football player friend who counts as obese but isn't.

It's tough, unless you're experienced at measuring and evaluation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Twirl is in the 'ideal' range, I'm at slightly overweight but wouldn't be much lighter even at my fittest.

14 May 2016 pic got my vote

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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago

A world of my own

Im fat and no matter what terminology is used the meaning is the same. I don't think anyone could ever look at me and see anything else.

Food is a comfort thing with me. And I hate myself for the relationship I have with it.

I hate my body and I have tried and failed many times to change it.

Unfortunately until other things in my life change my body is as it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The word is just a word, a medical definition, not an insult. I find it odd when people say "I don't class x size as obese" - well it is, it's just maths.

When I say I am fat I not denigrating myself, I am just giving an accurate description.

I still dislike 'fat' because it's been used as an insult too many times, but don't feel the same way about obese.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am the fattest u will get amongst my family and friends (my mother excluded). However, at work some of the people are a lot bigger than I am and I shouldn't say it but it comforts me. I feel obese at home and a size 0 at work.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Apparently I am overweight, my bmi is 2 over what the upper level of normal is..

5'11" tall, 13st 4lb wt my last weighing.

I have low blood pressure, a good heart rate at rest and under stress and a lung capacity of a 20 year old..

I get assessed twice a year for my job.

I am very active and as fit as I was in my 20's yet as I now have slight "love handles", it makes me overweight.

I do think that some of what we are judged by is just a little out of kilter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My body is my temple and i worship it every second of everyday

Mines a funfair

How many tickets for a ride?

The price is tea and company..this buys you an all areas day pass

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not something I need to concern myself with.

6'1" 11 stone. Bmi is 18.5.

I'm not a bad judge. I try not to bother unless it will affect me meeting.

No don't put yourself in the BBW category. Imho It's subjective and not your decision.....unless your vain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

18 months ago I was, according to the charts, obese. I have since lost 40-50 lbs. I'm currently about 5 lbs overweight according to the charts but when I tell people I want to lose another 10 they tell me I def don't need to....it can be very hard to just look at someone and tell where they fall in the spectrum of weight

-Red

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By *hick43Woman
over a year ago

outside cardiff

"I was obese. I am now merely overweight. Aiming for within the healthy zone eventually. And currently a size 14, all of which I think you can tell from my photos."

I was too and got pics and doc says i shud lose another 2stone :o

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP, I wouldn't describe a 14 as a bbw as it's actually below the average size. I'm a size 12/14 myself!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I keep in check with the 5:2 fasting diet.. works well for me too..

That's what we do too

I used to be 5" too short for my weight, but now I'm bang in the middle of the target zone. Mrs ddc is only a couple of lbs heavier.

I'd be rubbish at accurately pigeonholing anyone else though.

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Without reading the full thread because I'm lazy (so sorry if this has been said) the BMI scale is flawed massively. People who train at the gym and do heavy lifting easily fall into the overweight or obese category. Having said that, I'm rightly categorised as overweight/obese, as I'm lazy.

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By *ilberryMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

"I was obese. I am now merely overweight. Aiming for within the healthy zone eventually. And currently a size 14, all of which I think you can tell from my photos."

Hardly you have a perfect hour glass figure!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im fat and no matter what terminology is used the meaning is the same. I don't think anyone could ever look at me and see anything else.

Food is a comfort thing with me. And I hate myself for the relationship I have with it.

I hate my body and I have tried and failed many times to change it.

Unfortunately until other things in my life change my body is as it is.

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think your an ideal size myself

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By *echnosonic_BrummieMan
over a year ago

Willenhall

I'm 5'10" - 5'11 and 13.5 stone.

According to the NHS BMI calculator I'm overweight.

According to my work colleagues I'm 'the big bald bastard'

According to...

...ah, fuck it. They're all just labels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" - 5'11 and 13.5 stone.

According to the NHS BMI calculator I'm overweight.

According to my work colleagues I'm 'the big bald bastard'

According to...

...ah, fuck it. They're all just labels."

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By *workoutMan
over a year ago

Cradley Heath

Ignore bmi scores, they don't take into account what you're body composition actually is. With my height and weight I'm borderline obese according to my bmi. Arnold schwarzenneger in his prime would've had a bmi that said he was morbidly obese.

Looking at pictures of women who have posted on this thread (and I've thoroughly enjoyed doing so) you can tell that there is good muscle tone evident. Nobody looks like they binge on junk food all day, there are some very sexy curvy women here that although larger than they may want to be are still shaped like women.

Sexy is in someone's personality and attitude as much as it is in looks, if not more so. I didn't realise this myself until I joined the forums and started chatting with some very lovely ladies on here!

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

I'm 5ft 7 and 14 and a half stone so I'm 'obese'. At my biggest (at least 22 stone) I was classed as morbidly obese. But when I think of morbidly obese I think people who are stuck in bed or need mobility scooters because they can't walk or people who get out of breath walking up stairs. I was very big but none of that.

Now I'm still classed as obese. I'm about a size 16 now, so above average. But even if I was 11 stone (the maximum I should be for my height), I'd still be at least a 14 because I'm broad. I have wide hips and man shoulders.

My mum has the skinniest legs I've ever seen. Her collar bones stick out and her face is almost skeletal. She's about a millimetre taller than me and weighs 11 and a bit stone. If she's what I have to look like to be classed as normal weight then I'd rather be a fat cow to be honest

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By *r Costa xxMan
over a year ago

stirling

"I'm 5ft 7 and 14 and a half stone so I'm 'obese'. At my biggest (at least 22 stone) I was classed as morbidly obese. But when I think of morbidly obese I think people who are stuck in bed or need mobility scooters because they can't walk or people who get out of breath walking up stairs. I was very big but none of that.

Looking finger licking good to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're 5'7" and you were 22 stone and you did'nt consider yourself morbidly obese??

Jesus no wonder it's a problem for the NHS

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

You're 5'7" and you were 22 stone and you did'nt consider yourself morbidly obese??

Jesus no wonder it's a problem for the NHS

I didn't say I wasn't morbidly obese.

My oldest picture on my profile is when I was 22 stone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't say I wasn't morbidly obese.

Apologies. My mistake. I thought you said you didn't consider yourself morbidly obese because you could walk and didn't need a mobility scooter.

As you were.

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By *rcticFoxxxWoman
over a year ago

Hereabouts

I didn't say I wasn't morbidly obese.

Apologies. My mistake. I thought you said you didn't consider yourself morbidly obese because you could walk and didn't need a mobility scooter.

As you were.

What I meant by that is that my perception of morbidly obese is not the same as how I was when was morbidly obese. My categorising skills clearly aren't great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't say I wasn't morbidly obese.

Apologies. My mistake. I thought you said you didn't consider yourself morbidly obese because you could walk and didn't need a mobility scooter.

As you were.

What I meant by that is that my perception of morbidly obese is not the same as how I was when was morbidly obese. My categorising skills clearly aren't great. "

Ya think? lol fair play for losing the weight though.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

How are you and your weight/size?"

I don't look at others and ponder their size: I don't care!

I'm morbidly obese heading for obese, with a view of being normal. Eighteen months ago I was diabetic, had high blood pressure and cholesterol.

Last test a couple of weeks ago showed everything normal: has been for a year. Who knew eating less and moving more worked!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Not something I need to concern myself with.

6'1" 11 stone. Bmi is 18.5.

I'm not a bad judge. I try not to bother unless it will affect me meeting.

No don't put yourself in the BBW category. Imho It's subjective and not your decision.....unless your vain.

Hey I'm bloody gorgeous

. Kidding lol. I doubt many women who class themselves as BBW actually take much notice of the beautiful tag.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ignore bmi scores, they don't take into account what you're body composition actually is. With my height and weight I'm borderline obese according to my bmi. Arnold schwarzenneger in his prime would've had a bmi that said he was morbidly obese.

Alongside waist measurements, BMI is a tool towards classifying health risks. For that reason it shouldn't be ignored.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Generally our perception of what is over weight or very overweight is slightly warped. (Especially with children). Society is getting fatter and what we see as within a normal healthy weight range can actually be overweight. 9/10 I get it right but still occasionally I am off mark.

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By *ingle Beds LassWoman
over a year ago

Bedfordshire

I asked my doctor to guess my weight based on my height and build. She was 2 stone out. She was gobsmacked at how much i weighed based on my physical appearance, so based on that scientific fact, it's all BS. Labels should be eliminated as we are all individual and different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got injured at work last year I do a very physical job and I have always been in good shape. When I crushed my shoulder I went from 11 stone to over 15 stone and I felt awful the pressure on my knees was horrendous, now I'm back at work and I work out three times a week and I'm back down to 11 stone again. I did class myself as obese when I seen a photo of me sitting cross legged and my belly was in my lap but now I'm the right weight for my height

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But obese is obese. I'm sexy as hell, but I'm still obese though, although I've only got to shift 10lbs or so to get back down to overweight. You don't have to binge on junk food all day to get there, just eat too much and move too little for a long period of time.

There are very few BMI outliers like bodybuilders and rugby players who would be classed as obese but have a low or healthy body fat percentage. If anything, it's more the other way, with people who are in the healthy or overweight ranges but with really high body fat (metabolically obese normal weight...skinnyfat).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Overweight is a very grey area, according to the BMI I'm overweight heading towards obese. I'm not sure what scale they use to assess these figures. But if it's that little piece of non-science, then it's a joke. BMI isn't medical in any way, it was invented by a mathamatican with no medical training what so ever.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I asked my doctor to guess my weight based on my height and build. She was 2 stone out. She was gobsmacked at how much i weighed based on my physical appearance, so based on that scientific fact, it's all BS. Labels should be eliminated as we are all individual and different

A person's visual perception of your weight is not fact. BMI and subsequent labelling IS a useful health tool.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Is size 18 bbw? Or average?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

A person's visual perception of your weight is not fact. BMI and subsequent labelling IS a useful health tool."

Is it? Is labelling ever useful? I annoyed than a figure on a chart

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I am more*

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A person's visual perception of your weight is not fact. BMI and subsequent labelling IS a useful health tool.

Is it? Is labelling ever useful? I annoyed than a figure on a chart

Research points to higher risks of poor health for people overweight and above. So yes. Health promotions are based on evidence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A person's visual perception of your weight is not fact. BMI and subsequent labelling IS a useful health tool.

Is it? Is labelling ever useful? I annoyed than a figure on a chart

Research points to higher risks of poor health for people overweight and above. So yes. Health promotions are based on evidence."

I should have stuck with my previous term of categorising as opposed to labelling.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

A person's visual perception of your weight is not fact. BMI and subsequent labelling IS a useful health tool.

Is it? Is labelling ever useful? I annoyed than a figure on a chart

Research points to higher risks of poor health for people overweight and above. So yes. Health promotions are based on evidence.

I should have stuck with my previous term of categorising as opposed to labelling."

So unless you are a healthcare professional dealing with that individual what is the benefit of categorising and labelling people on sight?

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By *rank n BettyCouple
over a year ago

Not meeting

"The word is just a word, a medical definition, not an insult. I find it odd when people say "I don't class x size as obese" - well it is, it's just maths.

When I say I am fat I not denigrating myself, I am just giving an accurate description.

I am overweight/fat/obese whatever. I haven't taken care of myself these past few years & the weight I had lost crept back on - completely my own fault.

I need another op & so I'm going back to slimming world as it's the only way I have ever lost weight & kept it off for any length of time. I will get back in my size 12's but even then I was a stone over my 25 bmi. But I was happy.

JG xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The word is just a word, a medical definition, not an insult. I find it odd when people say "I don't class x size as obese" - well it is, it's just maths.

When I say I am fat I not denigrating myself, I am just giving an accurate description.

I am overweight/fat/obese whatever. I haven't taken care of myself these past few years & the weight I had lost crept back on - completely my own fault.

JG xx "

Best of luck with that, being happy is far more important than BMI. There is no medical science linked to BMI, so that should not be your target. A healthy weight does not have to be what is on that scale.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Me: 1.78m; 78 kg; BMI 24.6; size 14; BFI 33.5% = fatso

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am living the fitness lifestyle and got a 6pack

That maybe true, but going on height/weight ratio where does that put you? A lot of the 'big' guy I played rugby with were a solid mass but according to figures where obese

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a tummy.

It's a reminder to cut down on my luxurious foods.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked. "

It is; too many obese people ignoring medical advise thinking that since there are fatter people than them around, it is not tooooo bad for them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a size 14 now and very happy.

The tummy going will be the hardest part.

I'm lazy but love working out when I do go.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I am living the fitness lifestyle and got a 6pack

That maybe true, but going on height/weight ratio where does that put you? A lot of the 'big' guy I played rugby with were a solid mass but according to figures where obese

BMI has to be looked at in conjunction with BFI

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked. "

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At age 18 I was a size 8/10 and looked like I'd left the coat hangers in my clothes when I got dressed, could see my ribs when I walked and my doctor still said technically I was overweight.

Now I'm an obese size 14 and I've stopped giving a shit what the doctor says

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Size 14 obese?

damn, that's shocking.....and bullshit. Obese is just a label. Your healthy or unhealthy. That's what doctors should be consurned about and nothing else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm obese. 5ft 4 and not weighed myself in a while but was at 20 stone last time I checked. But since being out of hospital I've cut out takeaways, chocolate and crisps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work for the NHS and they are pushing obesity at the moment i think a lot of people would be shocked to know that an average hight women which i believe is 5ft3 is classed as abese at just 11 stone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy ! "

Is it fuck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work for the NHS and they are pushing obesity at the moment i think a lot of people would be shocked to know that an average hight women which i believe is 5ft3 is classed as abese at just 11 stone

I don't think that's unreasonable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese. "

According to the hospital it puts me at overweight and borderline obese. Though having said that they are not overly concerned. I'm just pointing out the BMI is a very, very rough guide and shouldn't be taken as anything approaching gospel. It is a calculator based on far too little evidence. It's kind of like saying, I have a box, it's 12 inches long, 6 inches wide and 6 inches deep. The last box I had with those dimensions weighted 2 stone, therefore this must weigh 2 stone. Ignoring the fact the last box was full of lead and this one is empty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's easy to feel invincible when you're young and feel healthy - BMI is just a tool to say, these are the risks, do with that information what you will - nothing more, nothing less.

If your BMI is overweight but your body fat is low then you're fine, you're an outlier, you don't need to be outraged by it. Most people aren't outliers, their perception of what overweight and obese looks like is just skewed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and btw I'm not arguing we don't have a problem with obesity but the BMI is a shit tool for measuring it. Body Fat is far more accurate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

BMI is BMI. 30 is the threshold for the obese range. 25 is the threshold for the overweight range. It's just a sum, it's not subjective. If your BMI is 25.4, you're borderline overweight. I don't understand why any hospital would be telling you otherwise because it's entirely incorrect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy !

Is it fuck."

depends person to person, lots of obese people have a reson beyond being greedy why they over eat and till you get to the root of that problem you will never control the eating

contrary to popular belief not all obese people are just lazy greedy fat bastards, some have real problem as to why they over eat

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

That is a BMI of 27.2, which is overweight. Obesity is generally considered at a BMI of 30 or above

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy !

Is it fuck."

I second that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

Well on the chart she was pointing at 26 was the begining of the red zone for obese, so maybe it's as subjective as the measure itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

Well on the chart she was pointing at 26 was the begining of the red zone for obese, so maybe it's as subjective as the measure itself. "

It isn't though. BMI is a standardised calculation. You can argue all you like about its flaws, much of which I agree with, but literally no one is saying that the obese range starts at 26. I'm the same height as you, I weigh 3 stone more than you and *i* am only just into the obese range.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?"

No she wasn't.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?"

A 5'2" woman wearing a size 14 would most certainly be overweight; not sure whether she would be obese

How tall was MM?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy ! "

Agreed.

Eating clean is definitely the way

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By *erdita Von TeaseWoman
over a year ago

nottingham

5 foot 4 and 8.5 stone bmi is 20 so apparently I'm healthy....yay double doughnuts for me today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy !

Is it fuck.

depends person to person, lots of obese people have a reson beyond being greedy why they over eat and till you get to the root of that problem you will never control the eating

contrary to popular belief not all obese people are just lazy greedy fat bastards, some have real problem as to why they over eat "

My problem was I was comfort eating. My grandad dies and I eat eat eat, I get pregnant then my dad died and I ate ate ate until I was admitted to hospital 2 months ago for pancreatitis cos of my gallstones. I've been on a low fat diet since. Not sure if I've lost weight though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?"

The size 14 back then was not the same size 14 you get now. When auction houses have sold off her iconic outfits they have measured them to be the equivalent of around a current size 8 x

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By *horley ChickWoman
over a year ago

Chorley

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?

A 5'2" woman wearing a size 14 would most certainly be overweight; not sure whether she would be obese

How tall was MM?"

Ms Munroe was a size 14 in the standard sizes of the day in the U.S.! As in the UK, those sizes have been 'doctored' in recent years to stop us all feeling bad about themselves - so a size 14 then would equate to a size 10 now (uk - not U.S.). The average waist has gone up by 3 inches since the 50s/60's - so though she was considered 'fuller' or 'curvy' then - she'd be considered rather slim now!

Hence its not really relevant for people to keep referring to her as a role-model for larger, sexy women - but they do!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?

A 5'2" woman wearing a size 14 would most certainly be overweight; not sure whether she would be obese

How tall was MM?

Hence its not really relevant for people to keep referring to her as a role-model for larger, sexy women - but they do! "

Yes, I just read that too just now

And she was 1.66m (just a shade over 5'5"), so even in today's UK size 14, she won't be overweight and certainly not obese

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?

A 5'2" woman wearing a size 14 would most certainly be overweight; not sure whether she would be obese

How tall was MM?

Hence its not really relevant for people to keep referring to her as a role-model for larger, sexy women - but they do! "

And apparently she had a 22 inch waist. I'm not sure where the myth that she was some sort of plus sized goddess has come from, you can see with your eyes that she was tiny!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I wouldn't have thought a size 14 was obese myself

Marilyn Monroe was a U.K. Size 14....was she obese?

A 5'2" woman wearing a size 14 would most certainly be overweight; not sure whether she would be obese

How tall was MM?

Hence its not really relevant for people to keep referring to her as a role-model for larger, sexy women - but they do!

And apparently she had a 22 inch waist. I'm not sure where the myth that she was some sort of plus sized goddess has come from, you can see with your eyes that she was tiny!"

From the time she started binge-eating and grew into a UK size 16 of today. But no, otherwise she was quite a slim woman

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

Well on the chart she was pointing at 26 was the begining of the red zone for obese, so maybe it's as subjective as the measure itself.

I don't know but that was the chart they were using. I was amazed, the nurse was kind of like ah don't worry about that. I've set my profile pic to one when I was at what the BMI classes as a "healthy weight"for me, at that point my family wanted me to go see someone, because they though I was anorexic. I accept what you are saying about the scale, I've never paid much attention to it, so don't know. When I used the calculator there though it told me I'm overweight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

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By *lowercandyWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

"I would class you as a bbw or obese. You very sexy and curvaceous which in my humble opinion is much better than being a stick.

On the other hand I would class myself as falling into that pigeon hole as I am 6'1" and 19st. Mind you it will have to be a ruddy big pigeon hole more a cave lol."

geeze you class a 14 as a bbw!

God help me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Georgie Porgie, pudding and pie, Kissed the girls and made them cry. When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie ran away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

Well on the chart she was pointing at 26 was the begining of the red zone for obese, so maybe it's as subjective as the measure itself.

I feel like anorexic is a stretch, but you do suit a bit more weight. Some people do. I will probably never be the ideal weight for my height, and actually have no concept what I'd look like at that weight because I've been so big for so long. I will keep trying though, because it can't hurt my body to be lugging less flab around.

Body fat is an infinitely better measure - on that I agree - but I come out even worse on that scale so I'm sticking with BMI for now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP, why class yourself as anything? Why label?

People can see your body shape/type from the pics xx

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"loosing wait is easy and the whole diet industry is a scam. Just cut out processed foods and drink water, that's all you need to do.. Oh and alcohol ! Not so easy ! "

This is such an ignorant statement. If you are a young healthy person with a normal metabolism who only gains weight because of a crap diet and sedentary lifestyle then for sure, correct that and you will lose weight.

But if you factor in things like low thyroid levels, insulin resistance, age related changes and menopause etc it can be a whole different ballgame.

If I 'just cut out processed foods and drink water' I will gain weight.

In addition if I cut out virtually all carbs my weight will remain stable.

If I want to lose weight, I have to eat clean, cut out carbs, PLUS attend to micronutrition, do a couple of hours physical work with horses in the morning PLUS something else in the evening, eg swim 40 mins or cycle or high energy dance, PLUS make sure I have at least 1000 calorie deficit a day which means sticking to a low carb lean diet.

If I can't do the second bout of exercise I would have to keep that under 1000 calories a day to lose anything and that is no kind of fun.

It's possible, but for many of us it's damn hard work.

But, excess fat is unhealthy, period. Fat is not inert, it directly affects your body chemistry, sometimes profoundly, particularly if it is midline and internal. I don't care how someone feels, all the data shows that lean people stay healthier and live longer.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Haha, well I would agree you are not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loosing weight is easy if you're honest with yourself and try and take emotion out of it, we are tricked into feeling guilty about enjoying treats, so it becones a cycle of guilt followed by comfort eating.. And so on.

Just eat a high protein diet and drink water and you'll drop a stone in a month. But don't do what most people do lie to themselves that they are sticking to it! My ex used to say she was on a diet then order a massive icing topped cake, then she would write down what she ate that day and leave the cake off! You have to be honest with yourself or fail X

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"Loosing weight is easy if you're honest with yourself and try and take emotion out of it, we are tricked into feeling guilty about enjoying treats, so it becones a cycle of guilt followed by comfort eating.. And so on.

You are mistaken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Georgie Porgie, pudding and pie, Kissed the girls and made them cry. When the boys came out to play, Georgie Porgie ran away.

Porgie?! What're you trying to say Miss Estella?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

Well on the chart she was pointing at 26 was the begining of the red zone for obese, so maybe it's as subjective as the measure itself.

I think you look great in all your pics, but I have no doubt the lean one is the healthiest. Excess weight is still excess even if we carry it well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No you are mistaken and believing the crap diet propaganda that tells you it's hard which Jeri's people signing up for slimming world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Haha, well I would agree you are not.

Thank you M'Lady

I find that at least three wholesome doses of work related stress a day does wonders!

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By *icassolifelikeMan
over a year ago

Luton

According to BMI I'm morbidly obese

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"No you are mistaken and believing the crap diet propaganda that tells you it's hard which Jeri's people signing up for slimming world "

There is no crap diet propaganda in anything I have said - it is based solely on medical research and directly OPPOSES the last 30 years of dietary advice! You're talking nonsense from a perspective of ignorance.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Haha, well I would agree you are not.

Thank you M'Lady

I find that at least three wholesome doses of work related stress a day does wonders!

Stress makes me gain weight, lol, I'd be skinny if it didn't!! Frolicking in the surf, that's a much better idea...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

If your BMI is 25.4 you're borderline overweight, not borderline obese.

Well on the chart she was pointing at 26 was the begining of the red zone for obese, so maybe it's as subjective as the measure itself.

Body fat is an infinitely better measure - on that I agree - but I come out even worse on that scale so I'm sticking with BMI for now

I suppose the context of that was important. I had lost 2 1/2 stone in 3 months to get there and wanted to keep going, to get below 10% BF. Looking back that wasn't healthy but I couldn't see that at the time.

That's part of my problem with BMI, it's the expectations of fixed points. Trying to hit those targets are not good. Nor is trying to hit a dress size. Just making small changes and small goals would be far more effective imo. It would also be healthier. What works for you, might not fit others but that doesn't matter. The fact you want to try change it is the most important bit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Haha, well I would agree you are not.

Thank you M'Lady

I find that at least three wholesome doses of work related stress a day does wonders!

Stress makes me gain weight, lol, I'd be skinny if it didn't!! Frolicking in the surf, that's a much better idea...

Now your talking! Pony trek through the dunes and a trot through the shallows first?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't argue with that

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Haha, well I would agree you are not.

Thank you M'Lady

I find that at least three wholesome doses of work related stress a day does wonders!

Stress makes me gain weight, lol, I'd be skinny if it didn't!! Frolicking in the surf, that's a much better idea...

Now your talking! Pony trek through the dunes and a trot through the shallows first?

Never mind pony trecking - frolicking in the dunes on a South American polo pony is more like it - did that once in Mexico....ah memories!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you are mistaken and believing the crap diet propaganda that tells you it's hard which Jeri's people signing up for slimming world

I thought the exercise bit was just common sense! Generally for people without underlying medical issues (which you failed to mention!) the advice I gave works.. Obviously follow medical advice before radical changes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BMI is generally used because making something quantifiable enables us to see results and it's useful for data collection. It is a clumsy but practical solution which you have to make common sense adjustments in applying it to your own body shape.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is size 18 bbw? Or average? "

I'm an 18 and would be considered a BBW (not that I class myself as beautiful but it's become an overarching term).

The BMI statistics were based on a very biased study conducted in the 1950s. Modern researchers and many medics now feel that the overweight category would be better classified as normal, obese as overweight and so on and so forth but I suspect it's very convenient for the diet industry and drug companies to keep it that way.

Medical science is advancing and we now understand that there are many more factors in being overweight or obese than what you put in your mouth. Hormones, socioeconomics, genetics, medication, eating disorders & mental health, thyroid and cortisol function. So people are genuinely predisposed to weight gain. Very very few people would choose to be obese. And as someone with a whole host of physical and hormonal health conditions alongside having to take take meds that affect my weight, I find the downright bullying I have seen on the fab forums to be somewhat disheartening. It is a reflection of wider society as a whole so it's no wonder a lot of us are keen to embrace such terms as BBW and own our 'curves'.

I haven't read the thread whole thread but doesn't seem to have been too much mud slinging which is a refreshing change.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

If you look tubby, it is because you are tubby. By all means live with that if that makes you feel good

However, tubby is unhealthy. A BFI of 33.5% (mine) is unhealthy. I did not need to know that to realise that I am a bit tubby. "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fattest of 'em all"; "other people, not you my beauty"

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"No you are mistaken and believing the crap diet propaganda that tells you it's hard which Jeri's people signing up for slimming world

You are moving the goalposts now!! You never mentioned exercise - you said 'JUST cut out processed foods' which is why I challenged you, and I immediately mentioned medical issues - because they ARE the reason for the vast amount of obesity in the modern epidemic, the medical community is way, way slow on this one, same as the veterinary community was before a bunch of us woke them up.

You missed my point about exercise - for some of us an hour or two of exercise is still not enough - unless some people have an active job they may need two sessions a day to lose, in addition to rigorous dietary control and targeted micro-nutrition,

You look like you have lost a lot of weight, but you are young - you probably only gained weight because of poor lifestyle choices, that's why your experience was that is was easy to lose, but you may find it significantly harder in 30 years time without any underlying medical issues. Many fit looking people in their forties and fifties on here have to work damn hard to maintain their physique, don't kid yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No not me, my grand dad was white water rafting at 83, I'll be mountain climbing until the day I die. I don't make poor life choices, if I'm living in Italy I might indulge for a month..I'd say that was a wise life choice

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"No not me, my grand dad was white water rafting at 83, I'll be mountain climbing until the day I die. I don't make poor life choices, if I'm living in Italy I might indulge for a month..I'd say that was a wise life choice "

And yet you are overweight? So why?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

It is; too many obese people ignoring medical advise thinking that since there are fatter people than them around, it is not tooooo bad for them"

That is my point. As a nation we're too comfortable seeing "fatness".

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By *erdita Von TeaseWoman
over a year ago

nottingham

"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Do your talking scales say 'one at a time please when you stand on them?' :

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"I'm 5'10" 12st 9lb with a 30 inch waist and 13.5% body fat my BMI is 25.4 i.e. Borderline obese.

I'm far from physically perfect but if I'm obese the world is fucked.

It is; too many obese people ignoring medical advise thinking that since there are fatter people than them around, it is not tooooo bad for them

That is my point. As a nation we're too comfortable seeing "fatness"."

Yes, I agree. What looks OK to use is not the same as what would be healthiest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?"

Cheeky mare I'm not oversight ! Troll !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?"

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ? "

This is a thread about obesity and you have made some pretty arrogant statements on it which warranted challenging. Bodyweight/BMI is one issue - abdominal fat is entirely another, I suggest you google it, that is where the greatest risk of heart disease and diabetes occurs, and your pics clearly show you have excess abdominal fat whatever your overall weight. I'm sure most of us do, damn sure I do, plenty of it - but that is the point I am making, excess fat is NOT healthy for any of us, particularly abdominal and visceral.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ? "

And that's why it's an issue! Being told you are overweight/fat/obese has emotional ramifications. No matter how tough you profess to be.

Also, ignore it! I suspect either the person that posted that had misread something you typed or jumped to the wrong conclusion.

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over a year ago

Do some research on 'placebo pill weight loss' it had been proven to be effective in weight loss. If you accept advertising works through repetition telling yourself weight loss is hard over and over again won't get you anywhere. My only point which was supposed to be positive is to deal with the psychological side first, by dismissing the lie that it is hard. In order for a placebo to work the belief that it is a real drug must be maintained. Most people want to be absolved of personal responsibility which is why they get touchy when it's back on them X

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over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

Wow! I was wrong.

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over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

Yes but it was pretty damn mean, you may also notice I have a 12" scar from a major operation going right across my abdomin which means I'm never going to have a six pack as the skin is damaged.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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". Most people want to be absolved of personal responsibility which is why they get touchy when it's back on them X "

For sure, but the statement you made was totally misguided - for a lot of people and animals it is extremely hard, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the diet industry.

My expertise came from medical research for the veterinary field - nothing whatsoever to do with emotional responses or the diet industry. You simply do not have the facts straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

Yes but it was pretty damn mean, you may also notice I have a 12" scar from a major operation going right across my abdomin which means I'm never going to have a six pack as the skin is damaged. "

A lot of people have a story behind why there body is not perfect. I have a mummy tummy which I hate but my body is a certain shape after years of living with an eating disorder alongside thyroid and a brain tumour that affects my cortisol levels and thus body shape. Sadly, many people make an assumption when they see a body and don't stop to think about the reasons why somebody might be that way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What size is 36D.....Marilyn!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

Yes but it was pretty damn mean, you may also notice I have a 12" scar from a major operation going right across my abdomin which means I'm never going to have a six pack as the skin is damaged. "

Goodness no, I didn't see, what was that for?? I am sorry if I embarrassed you there, it was not my intent. I am not suggesting people need to have a six pack at all, and it may be your abdominal structure has an altered look as well, but lean is still healthiest for all of us.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

Yes but it was pretty damn mean, you may also notice I have a 12" scar from a major operation going right across my abdomin which means I'm never going to have a six pack as the skin is damaged.

Yup, some people just have to stop drinking and eating friend chicken and mars bars, for others it is a tad more complex!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What size is 36D.....Marilyn!"

I really, really doubt she had a 36 inch back. I'm a 36F: she had a tiny frame.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't trust that BMI thingummy. According to that, I'm overweight

Do your talking scales say 'one at a time please when you stand on them?' :

Cheeky!

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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Or even fried chicken lol!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet you are overweight? So why?

I had £1000 private medical assessment 2 days ago so unless you are more qualified then a doctor, I'm the ideal weight for my age. Imagine if a guy had said that to a lady on here ?

Yes but it was pretty damn mean, you may also notice I have a 12" scar from a major operation going right across my abdomin which means I'm never going to have a six pack as the skin is damaged.

Yup, some people just have to stop drinking and eating friend chicken and mars bars, for others it is a tad more complex!

Yeah, I would say it would only be a very very few people that it would be that simple. I wish it was. I've been in treatment for an eating disorder for a year now (binge/purging alongside aspects of bulimia). I know a lot of people would see me and make assumptions about a lot of things. I think eating disorders are vastly under diagnosed and there's a whole load of emotional and hormonal issues that link into that fried chicken & mars bars.

I do still think 'one day I'll be slim and life will be better' but I try and steer clear of this black and white thinking because it's part of what gives people an eating disorder in the first place.

I'm sure some will criticise me for even speaking of such issues on here but I'm astounded at times by some of the cruel things I have read on what should be an accepting and diverse forum. I'm glad to say it's the minority though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too late I'm hurt you'll find me in the mars bar isle

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"Too late I'm hurt you'll find me in the mars bar isle

Go for the sugar free 80% cocoa and you can get away with it!

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over a year ago

I may feel differently in 20 years time but the thing which made the real difference for me with weight loss was understanding that I'm not special, it's not harder for me to lose weight than other people. It takes a deficit of 3500 calories to burn 1lb. That's the basis of how I can lose weight.

When I struggle it's because of the mental aspects, self sabotage, binge eating etc. Physically, I am exactly the same as everyone else and it's just as easy or hard as it is for them, and it was really liberating to realise that. I'm still obese, but I'm 3 stone lighter than I was in Jan 2015. More importantly, I know what I need to do and that physically I can do it, I just have to get my head in the right space.

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

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By *aughty Dad69Man
over a year ago

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Personally i would imagine a bbw is size 18/20+ but some smaller ladies describe themselves as bbw when only a 14. I think it depends on how the person views themselves, but generally i automatically think bbw around size 20. To me its not a issue as im not sizeist and find most figures appealing.. except tiny frail... it all depends on how someone comes across. . If they are happy as they are and feel sexy that will be more attractive to me than a waif with a sizeist attitude problem.

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over a year ago

My point is psychological wellbeing is a critical factor in managing your weight, as a graduate myself in a relevant field (not hamster health/vet) that we are bombarded with messages to keep us eating the wrong stuff and the whole diet industry relies upon you failing for repeat custom (cash cows to use business terminology!) To anyone who hasn't tried it go for the crossfit diet which is also useful for discovering if you have any allergies. Stay positive and repeat the message it's easy I'm not letting my money go to mcdonald's share holders. In multiple peer reviewed papers it turns out the placebo is the most effective tool for weight loss proving it is all in the mind.

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over a year ago

"My point is psychological wellbeing is a critical factor in managing your weight, as a graduate myself in a relevant field (not hamster health/vet) that we are bombarded with messages to keep us eating the wrong stuff and the whole diet industry relies upon you failing for repeat custom (cash cows to use business terminology!) To anyone who hasn't tried it go for the crossfit diet which is also useful for discovering if you have any allergies. Stay positive and repeat the message it's easy I'm not letting my money go to mcdonald's share holders. In multiple peer reviewed papers it turns out the placebo is the most effective tool for weight loss proving it is all in the mind. "

You criticise people for getting sucked into certain diets, then espouse another which is just as much expensive bullshit. Finding out your daily calorie requirement, subtracting however many calories you need to lose weight at the weight you want and making sure you stick to it is what works.

Bugger allergies and all that shite. Just eat a small enough number of calories. Keep it simple.

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over a year ago

Bugger allergies and all that shite. Just eat a small enough number of calories. Keep it simple."

Just doing that has made the biggest difference to my weight loss. I changed to healthier food and trained for an ultra marathon and lost some weight but I lost even more when I logged what I was eating and made the decision to change it.

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over a year ago

Bugger allergies and all that shite. Just eat a small enough number of calories. Keep it simple."

This.

Its a piece if piss to loose weight. Use more energy than you take on.

Lost myself about six stone this way not too long back.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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" to get my head in the right space.

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions. "

They aren't though Ruby - that is the point, that's why it is happening to millions of animals too, there are some serious underlying issues in effect which caloric restriction alone will not alter.

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over a year ago

" to get my head in the right space.

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

They aren't though Ruby - that is the point, that's why it is happening to millions of animals too, there are some serious underlying issues in effect which caloric restriction alone will not alter."

I'm not a medic and I won't pretend to be, but I don't believe that it's more sinister for most people than too many calories being consumed. I was one of those "I can't lose weight" people. I can, I just wasn't doing the sums right or accurately gauging my intake. I'd lost touch with how much I needed to eat and how much I was eating. I've completely changed my tune on this over the past 2 years.

I'm absolutely not dismissing the mental/addiction angle because I really understand that (and I'm deep within it at the moment) but from a physical perspective, there is no evidence to demonstrate that large swathes of the human population are defying the laws of physics. Animals, I have no idea about.

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over a year ago

"I may feel differently in 20 years time but the thing which made the real difference for me with weight loss was understanding that I'm not special, it's not harder for me to lose weight than other people. It takes a deficit of 3500 calories to burn 1lb. That's the basis of how I can lose weight.

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions. "

I think I could be classed as one of those medical exceptions people talk about, although I don't actually believe they are exceptions at all, just people who maybe need to lose weight differently.

I have a borderline underactive thyroid (have done for around 12 years) and have an insanely high amount of thyroid antibodies in my system which means my body is in a state of inflammation, thus making it more difficult for my body to perform certain functions including weight loss. However it doesn't make it impossible for me to lose weight. Calorie counting alone would be largely unsuccessful for me. I'm 99% sure that my inflammation is caused by an allergy to gluten, therefore if I diet by gluten control as well as portion control I can, and do, lose weight.

If I hadn't invested time and money in finding out about my body though I could easily have blindly put myself into the 'I just can't lose weight' category.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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" to get my head in the right space.

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

They aren't though Ruby - that is the point, that's why it is happening to millions of animals too, there are some serious underlying issues in effect which caloric restriction alone will not alter.

It's got nothing to with physics or addiction - 50% of the population of the USA have been found to be insulin resistant or diabetic, the percentage in the UK has also doubled since I have been researching it. They MUST attend to the implications of that to lose the weight they need to and remain healthy.

The fact that exactly the same trend is happening in animal populations without any change in diet/exercise demonstrates that this is not merely a psychological or lifestyle issue.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

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There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

I think I could be classed as one of those medical exceptions people talk about, although I don't actually believe they are exceptions at all, just people who maybe need to lose weight differently.

If I hadn't invested time and money in finding out about my body though I could easily have blindly put myself into the 'I just can't lose weight' category. "

It is refreshing to hear someone who is honest about themselves and their condition

Yes, you will find it much harder to loose weight than, say, I would. But it can be done. Question is whether you have enough time for two workouts a day

Really nice to hear from someone like you who refuses to be defeated even before they have started. Good luck

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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And for the record I agree 'I just can't lose weight' is a myth - but for many people solely caloric restriction is no longer the answer, how easy it would be for them if that were so.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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Bugger allergies and all that shite. Just eat a small enough number of calories. Keep it simple.

This.

Its a piece if piss to loose weight. Use more energy than you take on.

Lost myself about six stone this way not too long back. "

My personal and observed perspective is people are generally brought up to eat more than they need

When I want to lose fat I eat strictly less than 2000 calories if I want to add I eat just over 2500

My four meals a day contain relatively tiny amounts of carbohydrate protein and fat when compared to what most people feel is a normal meal size

500 g of the average foods people will eat will contain the 2000 cals that would sustain most people's shape or size and this quantity seems tiny to most often consumed within one or two meals way before the extras of snacks and drink

I measure 40 g of oats as part of some meals and it hardly covers the bottom of a bowl where we all think the bowl should near full this mis perception of portion size spreads to all meals for a great many

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over a year ago

" to get my head in the right space.

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

They aren't though Ruby - that is the point, that's why it is happening to millions of animals too, there are some serious underlying issues in effect which caloric restriction alone will not alter.

The fact that exactly the same trend is happening in animal populations without any change in diet/exercise demonstrates that this is not merely a psychological or lifestyle issue."

I don't think that's a surprising percentage given that 50% of the population are overweight or obese. There's a chicken and egg element to this. It needs to be discussed, but I think over complicating it and suggesting everyone needs 2 workouts a day does people a real disservice by trapping them in the circle of can't do it/won't try.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

I think I could be classed as one of those medical exceptions people talk about, although I don't actually believe they are exceptions at all, just people who maybe need to lose weight differently.

If I hadn't invested time and money in finding out about my body though I could easily have blindly put myself into the 'I just can't lose weight' category. "

Yes, there is a large increase in thyroid dysfunction too - estimates are between 10% and 20% of the US population, and sometimes this is closely associated with insulin resistance, though which is the chicken and which the egg is not clear.

The ramifications are so great they may cause the collapse of western health services.

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over a year ago

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

I think I could be classed as one of those medical exceptions people talk about, although I don't actually believe they are exceptions at all, just people who maybe need to lose weight differently.

If I hadn't invested time and money in finding out about my body though I could easily have blindly put myself into the 'I just can't lose weight' category.

It is refreshing to hear someone who is honest about themselves and their condition

Yes, you will find it much harder to loose weight than, say, I would. But it can be done. Question is whether you have enough time for two workouts a day

Really nice to hear from someone like you who refuses to be defeated even before they have started. Good luck"

Thank you. I'm still obese

but I understand my body, and my emotional attachment to cake haha! I think probably most people who think they just can't lose weight need to see if there's another underlying issue and tackle that first, wether thyroid, diabetes, whatever it is.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Bugger allergies and all that shite. Just eat a small enough number of calories. Keep it simple.

This.

Its a piece if piss to loose weight. Use more energy than you take on.

Lost myself about six stone this way not too long back. "

Humans are way too complex for this to be a one size fits all weight loss programme! Yes it will work for the majority but NOT all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fat as fuck but I love the way I am and I love those who love themselves and simply don't care about what others think or say xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

I think I could be classed as one of those medical exceptions people talk about, although I don't actually believe they are exceptions at all, just people who maybe need to lose weight differently.

If I hadn't invested time and money in finding out about my body though I could easily have blindly put myself into the 'I just can't lose weight' category.

It is refreshing to hear someone who is honest about themselves and their condition

Yes, you will find it much harder to loose weight than, say, I would. But it can be done. Question is whether you have enough time for two workouts a day

Really nice to hear from someone like you who refuses to be defeated even before they have started. Good luck

Thank you. I'm still obese

Yes, any hormonal dysfunction. Mine is polycystic ovaries.

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over a year ago

There are always legitimate medical exceptions but they are the exceptions.

I think I could be classed as one of those medical exceptions people talk about, although I don't actually believe they are exceptions at all, just people who maybe need to lose weight differently.

If I hadn't invested time and money in finding out about my body though I could easily have blindly put myself into the 'I just can't lose weight' category.

The ramifications are so great they may cause the collapse of western health services."

Still largely undiagnosed too, and also misunderstood or ill managed by lots of medical professionals, with no doubt further cost to, and strain upon, health services

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm fat as fuck but I love the way I am and I love those who love themselves and simply don't care about what others think or say xx"

But not to forget obesity = health risks.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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I never suggested that everyone needs it, only that some people would have to do a lot more than others. In my very first para of my very first post I stated "If you are a young healthy person with a normal metabolism who only gains weight because of a crap diet and sedentary lifestyle then for sure, correct that and you will lose weight."

With respect, you need to do some research before you make accusations of over-complicating matters - the medical profession worldwide is putting vast resources into researching this matter with great urgency, the worldwide epidemic of 'diabesity' IS an incredibly complex issue.

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I have done a lot of research. It's the research I've done which has brought me to the conclusions I've reached. I know a lot of medics, (not just young, healthy ones!) who are of the same view as a result of their experiences with their patients, themselves, and their research.

Telling people it's too hard, they can't do it, it's going to be a massive long slog for them is setting them up to fail, to endure a lifetime of obesity and all the misery that can bring. I'm climbing out of that, and I want to bring as many people up with me as I can.

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