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"What the fuck happened to you, you started off as a good idea, but these days, what I've seen is so called feminists, turning into a caricature, of what old fashion comedian's said you were. A small number of women, are becoming the pigs from animal farm, equality is not enough, its superiority or nothing. These feminazi's do for the women's movement, what Bernhard Manning did for race relations. A video surfaced last week of a woman recording a "shaming" video, because the man who she was filming said "hello" to her. We are in danger of having a generations of young men that are so scared of being called a sexist, that they won't interact with a woman at all Its a sad state of affairs "I couldn't agree more. Absolutely spot on mate . Feminism is eating itself. | |||
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"... ... We are in danger of having a generations of young men that are so scared of being called a sexist, that they won't interact with a woman at all Its a sad state of affairs "No wonder the Gay saunas are on the increase  | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. " What do you think feminism means? | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. " Can't he dress and cook for himself? Just askin' | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. What do you think feminism means?" Feminism is about equality mainly but yes some of us prefer not to have that. I like 1950s household styles I like to take on a subservient role. Luckily we don't all have to be the same. | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. What do you think feminism means? Feminism is about equality mainly but yes some of us prefer not to have that. I like 1950s household styles I like to take on a subservient role. Luckily we don't all have to be the same. " Feminism is about everyone having the freedom to choose their role and not be constrained by the very limited and specific gender roles of the past, and to a degree in the present. You choose to be subservient but also acknowledge that we don't all have to be the same, which in my mind is not incompatible with feminist notions. Others may disagree with me though. | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. What do you think feminism means? Feminism is about equality mainly but yes some of us prefer not to have that. I like 1950s household styles I like to take on a subservient role. Luckily we don't all have to be the same. " But you like that role and you're choosing to take on that role. I don't see how that's incompatible with feminism or equality, that's why I asked. We don't all have to be the same, and it's thanks to feminism that we don't. | |||
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"There are a minority of extremists in every group, whether political, religious etc and are in no way representative of the whole movement. Unfortunately they get more air-time than the rest, which leads to gross misconceptions about the movement as a whole. I'm a feminist who will never get air-time, as saying 'hello' in response to a man's greeting is just not an exciting thing to report."  | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. What do you think feminism means? Feminism is about equality mainly but yes some of us prefer not to have that. I like 1950s household styles I like to take on a subservient role. Luckily we don't all have to be the same. Feminism is about everyone having the freedom to choose their role and not be constrained by the very limited and specific gender roles of the past, and to a degree in the present. You choose to be subservient but also acknowledge that we don't all have to be the same, which in my mind is not incompatible with feminist notions. Others may disagree with me though." | |||
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" We are in danger of having a generations of young men that are so scared of being called a sexist, that they won't interact with a woman at all Its a sad state of affairs "Just sayin'.... Sexism is sexism, bad is bad, wrong is wrong. This doesn't mean we don't need feminism, and it doesn't mean feminist issues go away. We can BOTH have problems, and we can BOTH work on doing a better job. Anyone who thinks we have to solve one gender's entire problem before we even start addressing the other's... well, that person's a fucking idiot who sucks at problem solving. | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. What do you think feminism means? Feminism is about equality mainly but yes some of us prefer not to have that. I like 1950s household styles I like to take on a subservient role. Luckily we don't all have to be the same. Feminism is about everyone having the freedom to choose their role and not be constrained by the very limited and specific gender roles of the past, and to a degree in the present. You choose to be subservient but also acknowledge that we don't all have to be the same, which in my mind is not incompatible with feminist notions. Others may disagree with me though. " | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. " I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, | |||
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"Feminism has just been hijacked by a more extreme element who feel disenfranchised and wish to abuse it - It's actually about gender equality." But you're right and it sucks. | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, " i couldnt agree more, i used to think i was a feminist right intil i came on fab and saw the stuff what was written on here and i didnt want to be a part of it | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, " You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, " They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. | |||
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"that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. " Basically ^^^^ | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, " If someone forms a blanket opinion on a whole group based on the actions of a few then so be it. I'm not going to stop calling myself a feminist just because other people may have a misconception about what that means. | |||
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"What the fuck happened to you, you started off as a good idea, but these days, what I've seen is so called feminists, turning into a caricature, of what old fashion comedian's said you were. A small number of women, are becoming the pigs from animal farm, equality is not enough, its superiority or nothing. These feminazi's do for the women's movement, what Bernhard Manning did for race relations. A video surfaced last week of a woman recording a "shaming" video, because the man who she was filming said "hello" to her. We are in danger of having a generations of young men that are so scared of being called a sexist, that they won't interact with a woman at all Its a sad state of affairs "I think your right OP what started out with the right idea of equity between the sexes has over the years been high jacked and has now become about the emasculation of men in my humble opinion . | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, i couldnt agree more, i used to think i was a feminist right intil i came on fab and saw the stuff what was written on here and i didnt want to be a part of it" Why would your _iew be changed by other people saying something you disagree with? If you were a feminist and you didn't think what they were saying was compatible, wouldn't that make you want to call yourself a feminist even more, to push out the extremist _iews? I've seen some absolute shite written on here, I'm not going to distance myself from my own beliefs and understanding because someone else can't get their brain around what it actually means. | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, If someone forms a blanket opinion on a whole group based on the actions of a few then so be it. I'm not going to stop calling myself a feminist just because other people may have a misconception about what that means. " but noone has asked you too. I made my own decision to dissacciate myself from the word | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith." Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, " Or reclaim it | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, Or reclaim it" Ideally yes | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, " But you yourself are perpetuating the incorrect notion that these women are representative of feminism with this very post. Why not challenge the small element specifically, instead of using it as a stick to beat the entire movement? | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, If someone forms a blanket opinion on a whole group based on the actions of a few then so be it. I'm not going to stop calling myself a feminist just because other people may have a misconception about what that means. but noone has asked you too. I made my own decision to dissacciate myself from the word" I wasn't directing that at you. I couldn't possibly know your reasons for you deciding to disassociate from feminism and am in no position to form an opinion on your choice. | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. " ^^^^ this | |||
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" Or reclaim it Ideally yes" Now see, you can't say that. If your ideal scenario happens naturally all well and good...but it cannot happen because any one person WANTS it to happen. That's would be pretty "Nazi" as per your OP. Just playing Devils Advocate  | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, But you yourself are perpetuating the incorrect notion that these women are representative of feminism with this very post. Why not challenge the small element specifically, instead of using it as a stick to beat the entire movement? " As is the case in battling most extremists .... 'normal' feminists or Muslims reclaim | |||
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"I will carry on being an equalist. If they wanted equality why do they have to be called feminists and the ones i know who describe themselves as feminists are bloody hypocrits anyway" Equalists! I like that...and agree totally. A much better title.  | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, But you yourself are perpetuating the incorrect notion that these women are representative of feminism with this very post. Why not challenge the small element specifically, instead of using it as a stick to beat the entire movement? " If I walked past a building site and a load of men where veering and whistling at a woman as she went past, I would say something, its my way. So when an I'll informed person starts spouting a load of shit, in the name of feminism, they should be taken to task, because what the builders in my scenario arre doing to that one woman, reflects badly on all men, and what the so called feminists are saying reflects badly on feminism, real feminists should be taking these people to task | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, i couldnt agree more, i used to think i was a feminist right intil i came on fab and saw the stuff what was written on here and i didnt want to be a part of it Why would your _iew be changed by other people saying something you disagree with? If you were a feminist and you didn't think what they were saying was compatible, wouldn't that make you want to call yourself a feminist even more, to push out the extremist _iews? I've seen some absolute shite written on here, I'm not going to distance myself from my own beliefs and understanding because someone else can't get their brain around what it actually means. " i didnt say i changed my believes ive still got my believes that is why i now refer to myself as an equalist. Thats what i want the things that the people who say they are feminists are not the same thoughts as mine | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, You could say that about many things .... Islam, the far right .... who gives these extremists publicity empowers them and attempts to destroy the whole movement or undermine the whole faith. Yes I agree, Isis is not representative of any Muslims I know, and the westboro Baptist church are nothing like Christians that I know, but that small element will ultimately force women to pick a side, But you yourself are perpetuating the incorrect notion that these women are representative of feminism with this very post. Why not challenge the small element specifically, instead of using it as a stick to beat the entire movement? If I walked past a building site and a load of men where veering and whistling at a woman as she went past, I would say something, its my way. So when an I'll informed person starts spouting a load of shit, in the name of feminism, they should be taken to task, because what the builders in my scenario arre doing to that one woman, reflects badly on all men, and what the so called feminists are saying reflects badly on feminism, real feminists should be taking these people to task" What makes you think they are not? They'd be assisted in taking people to task if others didn't use the actions of a small minority as representative of the whole movement though which, as I said, is what you've done with your opening post, although to me that seems at odds with what you're now saying. | |||
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" So when an I'll informed person starts spouting a load of shit, in the name of feminism, they should be taken to task, because what the builders in my scenario arre doing to that one woman, reflects badly on all men, and what the so called feminists are saying reflects badly on feminism, real feminists should be taking these people to task" And what's your definition of a real feminist? Someone who ticks off your privileged male checklist as to what a feminist should or shouldn't do? Furthermore, how do you know there isn't an attempt to reclaim it from the extremist _iew points you have mentioned? The everyday issues feminism deals with and tries to help are an intersectional one and just because they don't represent your ideas or make the news doesn't mean it is going downhill. | |||
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"If someone forms a blanket opinion on a whole group based on the actions of a few then so be it. I'm not going to stop calling myself a feminist just because other people may have a misconception about what that means. " I'm a feminist because I am an egalitarian through and through. Some of the examples of modern feminism reported more widely in the media are reported not because they are indicative of the feminism movement as a whole but because they lead to clickbait articles, social media arguments and ultimately mean advertisers spend more money on those who publicise them by reporting them. Much like any other extremist faction. I know that such stories are absurd. I'm not going to stop being a feminist as a result, since the reason I know they're absurd is because I can read, have access to a wide range of media and am free to make my own mind up. A right the early feminist movement gave me. | |||
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"i know what a feminist is i used to read cosmpopoliton magazine in the 70s and 80s." That is the most ridiculous statement in this thread. | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. " . I don't think it failed, I think it succeeded very well and now they've "got there" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void? | |||
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" So when an I'll informed person starts spouting a load of shit, in the name of feminism, they should be taken to task, because what the builders in my scenario arre doing to that one woman, reflects badly on all men, and what the so called feminists are saying reflects badly on feminism, real feminists should be taking these people to task And what's your definition of a real feminist? Someone who ticks off your privileged male checklist as to what a feminist should or shouldn't do? Furthermore, how do you know there isn't an attempt to reclaim it from the extremist _iew points you have mentioned? The everyday issues feminism deals with and tries to help are an intersectional one and just because they don't represent your ideas or make the news doesn't mean it is going downhill. My definition of a real feminist, is someone who challenge's for equal rights, and takes action against the glass ceiling, inequality in pay, and the right to an education in countries that still see women as second citizens" Oh well, that's not me then .... I don't fight for anything | |||
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"If someone forms a blanket opinion on a whole group based on the actions of a few then so be it. I'm not going to stop calling myself a feminist just because other people may have a misconception about what that means. I'm a feminist because I am an egalitarian through and through. Some of the examples of modern feminism reported more widely in the media are reported not because they are indicative of the feminism movement as a whole but because they lead to clickbait articles, social media arguments and ultimately mean advertisers spend more money on those who publicise them by reporting them. Much like any other extremist faction. I know that such stories are absurd. I'm not going to stop being a feminist as a result, since the reason I know they're absurd is because I can read, have access to a wide range of media and am free to make my own mind up. A right the early feminist movement gave me." | |||
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" Male privilege? Really? Isn't that a bit er sexist?" I'm going to take that as the humurous few sentences it was undoubtedly meant to be. My point being that you as a man shouldn't really be dictating what a real feminist is or is not and what the rights are they can and not be fighting for. | |||
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"i know what a feminist is i used to read cosmpopoliton magazine in the 70s and 80s. That is the most ridiculous statement in this thread. " I doubt you would of read it as it was way before your time so how would you know, iv been around a lot longer than you have. | |||
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"What the fuck happened to you, you started off as a good idea, but these days, what I've seen is so called feminists, turning into a caricature, of what old fashion comedian's said you were. A small number of women, are becoming the pigs from animal farm, equality is not enough, its superiority or nothing. These feminazi's do for the women's movement, what Bernhard Manning did for race relations. A video surfaced last week of a woman recording a "shaming" video, because the man who she was filming said "hello" to her. We are in danger of having a generations of young men that are so scared of being called a sexist, that they won't interact with a woman at all Its a sad state of affairs
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" Male privilege? Really? Isn't that a bit er sexist? I'm going to take that as the humurous few sentences it was undoubtedly meant to be. My point being that you as a man shouldn't really be dictating what a real feminist is or is not and what the rights are they can and not be fighting for. So my opinion is invalid, due to the fact that I have a penis?" should trans women be excluded too then? | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. . I don't think it failed, I think it succeeded very well and now they've "got there" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void?" So now that we've "got there" (I remain to be convinced of that), do we just deny the history of the movement? Allow women to grow up thinking that feminism was some pointless thing about disliking men, rather than the driving force behind them having the freedoms to make the choices they make in their lives? What now? Well I can think of things I still think can be improved in this country, never mind countries around the world where women have very few rights. All movements have to adapt to survive and this is no different. "We" didn't stop once women got the vote. | |||
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" So when an I'll informed person starts spouting a load of shit, in the name of feminism, they should be taken to task, because what the builders in my scenario arre doing to that one woman, reflects badly on all men, and what the so called feminists are saying reflects badly on feminism, real feminists should be taking these people to task And what's your definition of a real feminist? Someone who ticks off your privileged male checklist as to what a feminist should or shouldn't do? Furthermore, how do you know there isn't an attempt to reclaim it from the extremist _iew points you have mentioned? The everyday issues feminism deals with and tries to help are an intersectional one and just because they don't represent your ideas or make the news doesn't mean it is going downhill. My definition of a real feminist, is someone who challenge's for equal rights, and takes action against the glass ceiling, inequality in pay, and the right to an education in countries that still see women as second citizens" female circumsizion is a subject im very passionate about | |||
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"i know what a feminist is i used to read cosmpopoliton magazine in the 70s and 80s. That is the most ridiculous statement in this thread. oh really, so did you read it in the 70 and 80s then or did you do womens studies. "Cosmopolitan wouldn't know feminism if it struck it in the face with a wet lettuce. No, through my education as an artist I learnt about the incredible women before me who strove and suffered for the rights I have today. I'm a street feminist. More Camila Paglia than Dworkin and McKinnon | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. . I don't think it failed, I think it succeeded very well and now they've "got there" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void? How have we got there? " . In the UK? Pretty much so, in fact you could say males are discriminated against more | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. . I don't think it failed, I think it succeeded very well and now they've "got there" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void? So now that we've "got there" (I remain to be convinced of that), do we just deny the history of the movement? Allow women to grow up thinking that feminism was some pointless thing about disliking men, rather than the driving force behind them having the freedoms to make the choices they make in their lives? What now? Well I can think of things I still think can be improved in this country, never mind countries around the world where women have very few rights. All movements have to adapt to survive and this is no different. "We" didn't stop once women got the vote. " . Why would you have to deny the history of the movement?. I said it succeeded very well in pretty much 80 years women have complete parody with men, your there!. It's no different than save the whales, once you've saved them it's done! | |||
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"So how come you never see women bin men, builders or road workmen then. Its hard work and they arent as strong as men are they. There is at least one female on the bins in Birmingham, and my female cousin is a plasterer" . There's more women in the building industry than Pakistanis!... It's of course irrelevant nobody is stopped from working in any roles they choose | |||
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"So MISTERese did you actualy read cosmopolitan magazine in the 70s and 80s?" I did and its totally different from what feminism is now .... I dont hunk its the same either | |||
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"So MISTERese did you actualy read cosmopolitan magazine in the 70s and 80s? I did and its totally different from what feminism is now .... I dont hunk its the same either" How dare you refer to anyone as a hunk? *joke* | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. . I don't think it failed, I think it succeeded very well and now they've "got there" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void? How have we got there? . In the UK? Pretty much so, in fact you could say males are discriminated against more" Statistics don't reflect that though. According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies: women earn 18% less than men on average. male managers are 40% more likely than female managers to be promoted. According to rape crisis: Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year. Men experience discrimination in other areas. Male victims of rape or domestic violence are less likely to report assaults due to expectations of how men 'should be', and if they do report they are often taken less seriously and receive little to no help. However, this doesn't negate the fact that women don't enjoy the same privelages as men in the UK. Patriarchy hurts everyone. | |||
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"So MISTERese did you actualy read cosmopolitan magazine in the 70s and 80s? I did and its totally different from what feminism is now .... I dont hunk its the same either How dare you refer to anyone as a hunk? *joke*" Ooops Freudian slip | |||
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"I'm actually really old fashioned and I don't like feminism at all. I like dressing for my man, cooking for him. Seeing to his needs. What do you think feminism means? Feminism is about equality mainly but yes some of us prefer not to have that. I like 1950s household styles I like to take on a subservient role. Luckily we don't all have to be the same. " It's precisely because of feminists that you have that choice. Being a feminist isn't about what you seem to think it's about. | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. I did say a small number, but if these women can continue to spout the shit that they do, under the banner if feminism, then that's what could happen, people look for a headline, and the headlines are feminists pushing people off walls, punching people, and calling starwars sexist (even though the rebel alliance was led by the best person for the job, an 18 year old girl) The problem is, that all women who say they are feminists, are going to be tarred with the same brush, its not just the media's fault, its the extremists who spout this crap too, They spout crap and should absolutely be challenged on it. But people have a responsibility to look beyond the sensationalist reporting and understand what the sensible majority are actually doing and saying. This extends to all movements. I'm not going to write off the entire concept of fathers' rights because some of Fathers For Justice are cunts, for example. It's still clear from comments on threads like this, whenever they come up, that plenty of people still don't understand what feminism even means, let alone why it's important or how they have benefited from it. I shouldn't still be surprised or dismayed by this, but I am. Maybe feminism as a movement has failed at educating people on this. . I don't think it failed, I think it succeeded very well and now they've "got there" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void? So now that we've "got there" (I remain to be convinced of that), do we just deny the history of the movement? Allow women to grow up thinking that feminism was some pointless thing about disliking men, rather than the driving force behind them having the freedoms to make the choices they make in their lives? What now? Well I can think of things I still think can be improved in this country, never mind countries around the world where women have very few rights. All movements have to adapt to survive and this is no different. "We" didn't stop once women got the vote. . Why would you have to deny the history of the movement?. I said it succeeded very well in pretty much 80 years women have complete parody with men, your there!. It's no different than save the whales, once you've saved them it's done!" parody has to be the best freudian i've seen in many a day....... fnarrrrrrrrr x | |||
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"i know what a feminist is i used to read cosmpopoliton magazine in the 70s and 80s. That is the most ridiculous statement in this thread. " Oh ffs..... I was just on my way down to the bottom with a cut n paste. Sniff....... | |||
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"So MISTERese did you actualy read cosmopolitan magazine in the 70s and 80s?" I flicked through, rolled my eyes and found more substantial reading material | |||
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"There are a minority of extremists in every group, whether political, religious etc and are in no way representative of the whole movement. Unfortunately they get more air-time than the rest, which leads to gross misconceptions about the movement as a whole. I'm a feminist who will never get air-time, as saying 'hello' in response to a man's greeting is just not an exciting thing to report." There are some people who look for confrontation at any cost in any situation, zealotry is a dangerous thing. Just ask any witch. | |||
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"That video wasn't feminism though , they are extremists. Feminism is still needed as we are still striving for equality. I recently went to a talk by Oxford Uni, and hadn't realised that it wasn't until 1879 women were first allowed to study there and it was another 40 years before they could gain a degree. That's only just under 100 years ago. Saudi Arabia only finally gave women the right to vote last year. Lots of countries were relatively recent, and without feminists fighting for the right, it wouldn't have happened. Vatican City is the only country now where women cannot vote as they can't be cardinals. I believe in equality not in extremism. Sarah " nope not wasting time on this | |||
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"" .... What now?. The extreme fill the void? How have we got there? . In the UK? Pretty much so, in fact you could say males are discriminated against more Statistics don't reflect that though. According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies: women earn 18% less than men on average. male managers are 40% more likely than female managers to be promoted. According to rape crisis: Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year. Men experience discrimination in other areas. Male victims of rape or domestic violence are less likely to report assaults due to expectations of how men 'should be', and if they do report they are often taken less seriously and receive little to no help. However, this doesn't negate the fact that women don't enjoy the same privelages as men in the UK. Patriarchy hurts everyone. " . Well if we could take those points one at Time. Firstly the female wage equality! I cannot belive those greedy capitalists haven't picked up on that one....I mean get the same job done but for less money!!! Really?. What the institute of fiscal studies fail to point out is that women take long periods off work for children, if you actually look at the figures of women business who don't have children they actually earn more than there male counterparts. Just naming statistics about gender differences is a bit ridiculous we can't know why those males were promoted over females, there could have been many reasons that have nothing to do with gender inequality. It's like saying make soldiers die at a far higher rate than female soldiers, there's plenty of demographics why but hardly anything to do with sexisim. As for rapes well you can hardly blame sexisim for criminality. . You could look at female only gyms, female only swimming sessions, even female only golf clubs far far outnumber male only golf clubs!. Child care is much more skewed towards females, even parental rights is female biased. . . I'm not saying these are bad things, I'm saying feminism realistically got there awhile back the void left over is filled by the extreme who then move on to pro female agendas | |||
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"Why would you tar an entire movement with the actions of a few who have only come to your attention because they're at the extremes? I disagree with the behaviour of a lot of women who may class themselves as feminists, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the entire thing or stop describing myself as a feminist. If we're extrapolating from the actions of a few, the words and thoughts of incel, red pill, angry groups of misguided young men who dress themselves up as 'men's rights' should also be of concern to you. " That saves me typing something similar.
I add my abhorrence of calling anyone but Nazis a nazi. Every time the term feminazi is used it strengthens the criticism of all women seeking equality. Feminism is achieved with men, not against men.
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"So how come you never see women bin men, builders or road workmen then. Its hard work and they arent as strong as men are they." I've seen women in all of those jobs. It may not be many of them but they are there. | |||
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"Every time the term feminazi is used it strengthens the criticism of all women seeking equality. Feminism is achieved with men, not against men. " That was kind of the point I was making above. Seems to be lost on the OP though. | |||
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"Every time the term feminazi is used it strengthens the criticism of all women seeking equality. Feminism is achieved with men, not against men. That was kind of the point I was making above. Seems to be lost on the OP though. "Perhaps I should start a post about all the mansplaining and violence against women videos that are also online. I'd soon be slapped down as a man-hating feminist if I did though. How do I know this? Because it's what happens on here and I get the hate mail to drive the point home. | |||
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" . Well if we could take those points one at Time. Firstly the female wage equality! I cannot belive those greedy capitalists haven't picked up on that one....I mean get the same job done but for less money!!! Really?. What the institute of fiscal studies fail to point out is that women take long periods off work for children, if you actually look at the figures of women business who don't have children they actually earn more than there male counterparts. Just naming statistics about gender differences is a bit ridiculous we can't know why those males were promoted over females, there could have been many reasons that have nothing to do with gender inequality. It's like saying make soldiers die at a far higher rate than female soldiers, there's plenty of demographics why but hardly anything to do with sexisim. As for rapes well you can hardly blame sexisim for criminality. . You could look at female only gyms, female only swimming sessions, even female only golf clubs far far outnumber male only golf clubs!. Child care is much more skewed towards females, even parental rights is female biased. . . I'm not saying these are bad things, I'm saying feminism realistically got there awhile back the void left over is filled by the extreme who then move on to pro female agendas" It's not ridiculous at all and is very pertinant to the subject. The reason that women historically took a lot of time off for child care is because for a family who chose to have a parent at home, the only option was for the mother to do so in order to still receive some money. Shared parental leave was only introduced last year, yet the cultural mind set is still very biased towards women nurturing the children and men going out to work. You say parental rights are skewed towards females. There is no such thing as parental rights. It's the right of the child to remain with the primary carer during separation, which is usually the mother as until recently there has been no other option. The previous system of maternity and paternity leave restricted the choices available to women, in that her career and earning potential would suffer if she chose to take time off for children, and restricted the choices available to men as being a primary carer of a child wasn't usually financially viable. The rape statistics shouldn't merely be dismissed as 'criminality'. The question of why so many more women than men are sexually assaulted needs to be addressed. Attitudes about gender and sexuality, and misconceptions about what legally constitutes rape means that men are more likely to assault women than women are to assault men. 90% of rape victims are assaulted by someone they know, and usually isn't horrifically violent. Of course all non-consensual penetration is an act of violence, but most rapes don't involve beating the victim into submission. Because of the not uncommon assumption that rape is a violent attack by a stranger, many rapists are not even aware that they have committed a crime until they are found guilty of it in court. | |||
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