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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because......we all know the answer!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Because......we all know the answer!"
Which is?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

But the last topic wasnt aboyt god it was about believing there was more than this life

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"But the last topic wasnt aboyt god it was about believing there was more than this life"
Good point but can you distinguish between the two?

Will the after life be a massive FAB social?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

Don't be daft. God is only responsible for the good things. That's why the head of churches invented the devil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because......we all know the answer!Which is?"

There is a school of thought which suggests that the money generated by not finding the cure is too great to lose .

Countless jobs created , the care and drugs which help the sufferer cope , the research etc..... Billions and billions of pounds have and are still being poured into it .

So if a cure was found , would the powers that be want the never ending cash cow to disappear ?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"Because......we all know the answer!Which is?"

Because humans have been given free will and the freedom of earth etc is what I'm supposing.

The Biblical teaching is that when God created man and woman they were given Eden to live in. A place free from disease, pain etc on the condition that they did not eat from the tree of knowledge. When they did so God expelled them from Eden. It's really reason given in the old testament for why women experience child birth pain.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"But the last topic wasnt aboyt god it was about believing there was more than this lifeGood point but can you distinguish between the two?

Will the after life be a massive FAB social?"
for me yes i can. But we need to know what we are refering to as god.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

It depends what you mean by God.

When they wrote "God created man in his own image" they got it the wrong way round. Once you realise that it all falls in to place.

God is within our "self" not and exterior force.

Obviously this is just my opinion I haven't written back big old book or anything.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?

Don't be daft. God is only responsible for the good things. That's why the head of churches invented the devil. "

I have a dream that I get a call from God in a dream She says "Noah stop dreaming of a threesome with Bo Derek and Diana Dors go to the top of Snowdon (nearest mountain) there you will find a burning bush" at which point I say I thought you told me to stop dreaming about Bo and Diana? She went on At the base of the bush you will find the chemical code for curing all cancers, a vaccination against HIV, the DNA strands for all genetic illness"

Now that would make me believe in God and the afterlife!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

I believe in God as a creator, a force that kicked it all off. After that, it's evolution and it's up to us. I wouldn't give God the credit for the discovery of antibiotics, for example, which has saved millions upon millions of lives. So God doesn't get the blame for humans having not yet achieved something else.

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

rotherham

What makes you think God is female?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cure was probably in a tree that's just been cut down to make space to grow soya for vegans to eat...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What makes you think God is female?."
What makes you think she is a man? Could we be talking about a TV?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The cure was probably in a tree that's just been cut down to make space to grow soya for vegans to eat..."

Or in tree that was cut down to make beef cattle pasture, or cut down for palm oil plantations for bio diesel....

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

rotherham

I never said I thought it was a man lol

Just reading the threads and it was made out God was a female

I really wouldn't know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never said I thought it was a man lol

Just reading the threads and it was made out God was a female

I really wouldn't know"

God is beyond gender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What makes you think God is female?.What makes you think she is a man? Could we be talking about a TV?"
No, god is straight, because other wise it would be a sin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in God as a creator, a force that kicked it all off. After that, it's evolution and it's up to us. "

Thats convenient. He gets all the glory but doesn't have to deal with any of the shit.

No wonder he's revered so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

I know, it was just an observation. My answer is the same.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I never said I thought it was a man lol

Just reading the threads and it was made out God was a female

I really wouldn't know"
Irony!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in God as a creator, a force that kicked it all off. After that, it's evolution and it's up to us.

Thats convenient. He gets all the glory but doesn't have to deal with any of the shit.

No wonder he's revered so much.

Except I haven't credited him with the "glory". I find it more convenient that atheists blame him for the evil without crediting him with the good. It's the same argument, and it doesn't work either way round. It's either both, or neither, and I think neither.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

I know, it was just an observation. My answer is the same."
Perhaps its smug believers in bollocks being selective?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I never said I thought it was a man lol

Just reading the threads and it was made out God was a female

I really wouldn't know

God is beyond gender."
Seemingly God is beyond comprehension!

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

Wow,

Just imagine if someone actually managed to prove that God doesn't exist..

What would people do with all that extra time they are not praying to an almighty...

They'd probably start wars instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in God as a creator, a force that kicked it all off. After that, it's evolution and it's up to us.

Thats convenient. He gets all the glory but doesn't have to deal with any of the shit.

No wonder he's revered so much.

Er yeah you have. He has some magic formula to kick start everything? Atheists don't blame him for anything .

That's the point.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Wow,

Just imagine if someone actually managed to prove that God doesn't exist..

What would people do with all that extra time they are not praying to an almighty...

They'd probably start wars instead.

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If god was proved to be a fictional character then I think a lot of conflicts would not start ...........nothing to die for no religion to........I think the man said

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

It's easy to scoff at other peoples beliefs. I'm an agnostic / atheist, but if people want to believe and it helps them and they live better lives as a result and they use the belief for good, then great.

Aren't we supposed to be open minded on here ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Just returning to the after life issue for a moment but as I have said God and her existence and the after life are for the most part, intrinsically linked. In the place beyond life who gets there everyone? Can you take a pet or a car (think Egyptians and pyramids) will you meet your great great great great great granddad will there be a load of virgins waiting for you?

All these questions..........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The irnoy is that, those that dont believe probably celebrate xmas, they are confused about their own religion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It's easy to scoff at other peoples beliefs. I'm an agnostic / atheist, but if people want to believe and it helps them and they live better lives as a result and they use the belief for good, then great.

Aren't we supposed to be open minded on here ?"

I would never denigrate anyone for their [religious] beliefs. For those who don't know what denigrate it means put down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in God as a creator, a force that kicked it all off. After that, it's evolution and it's up to us.

Thats convenient. He gets all the glory but doesn't have to deal with any of the shit.

No wonder he's revered so much.

Er yeah you have. He has some magic formula to kick start everything? Atheists don't blame him for anything .

That's the point.

Because I believe that there must have been some force which kick started life, back at the beginning? I don't see that as giving glory or credit, evolution and human endeavour get the credit. You obviously disagree, which is fine. Atheists don't blame him, since they don't believe in him, but they often choose to use the existence of evil and suffering as "evidence" that he can't exist. And that's my point, which you choose to misunderstand.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Wow,

Just imagine if someone actually managed to prove that God doesn't exist..

What would people do with all that extra time they are not praying to an almighty...

They'd probably start wars instead.

If god was proved to be a fictional character then I think a lot of conflicts would not start ...........nothing to die for no religion to........I think the man said"

Humanity will always be at war. If it isn't religion, it's land, it's oil, it's coconuts...there's always something or someone to fight about.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Wow,

Just imagine if someone actually managed to prove that God doesn't exist..

What would people do with all that extra time they are not praying to an almighty...

They'd probably start wars instead.

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do people spend that long praying. I know a lot of people that believe.

In most religions you dont have to physically go to a place of worship thats a choice, most can pray when and where they want. Sitting on the loo if they so wish

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Why is it that when you talk to God, it’s called praying?

Whenever God talks to people, they call it schizophrenia.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it that when you talk to God, it’s called praying?

Whenever God talks to people, they call it schizophrenia.

Hmmm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I never said I thought it was a man lol

Just reading the threads and it was made out God was a female

I really wouldn't know

God is beyond gender.Seemingly God is beyond comprehension!"

Absolutely. Why do you think we made God in man's image? To aid our understanding.

God made us in his image: Our non visible life-force, spirit, soul.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Why is it that when you talk to God, it’s called praying?

Whenever God talks to people, they call it schizophrenia.

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well this is the thing

Its how you interpret words. When im just sitting reflecting i call it "taking a moment" others may say im praying.

I dont believe in god, if people believe in god they may think he talks to them. Not everyone who this happens is schizohrenic

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I never said I thought it was a man lol

Just reading the threads and it was made out God was a female

I really wouldn't know

God is beyond gender.Seemingly God is beyond comprehension!

Absolutely. Why do you think we made God in man's image? To aid our understanding.

God made us in his image: Our non visible life-force, spirit, soul."
Conveniently..............!

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Aren't we supposed to be open minded on here ?

I would never denigrate anyone for their [religious] beliefs. For those who don't know what denigrate it means put down"

Thankyou, educational and non-patronising

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why is it that when you talk to God, it’s called praying?

Whenever God talks to people, they call it schizophrenia.

well this is the thing

Its how you interpret words. When im just sitting reflecting i call it "taking a moment" others may say im praying.

I dont believe in god, if people believe in god they may think he talks to them. Not everyone who this happens is schizohrenic

That's the second time I've heard people with deeply and honestly held spiritual beliefs referred to as having mental health issues on here. It shows a lack of respect and understanding of spirituality and mental health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Atheists don't blame him, since they don't believe in him, but they often choose to use the existence of evil and suffering as "evidence" that he can't exist. "

The Smug ones don't, they look for answers elsewhere. My deities are maths, physics, and chemistry.

Yours seems to be a lazy fuck who started shit he can't finish.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Atheists don't blame him, since they don't believe in him, but they often choose to use the existence of evil and suffering as "evidence" that he can't exist.

The Smug ones don't, they look for answers elsewhere. My deities are maths, physics, and chemistry.

Yours seems to be a lazy fuck who started shit he can't finish.

Well I'm an engineer and an agnostic. Yet, I can still see an absurdity in any science that says religion is bollocks, yet its own explanation is that the entire universe exploded out of nothing and still doesn't know what or where 95% of it is.

Live and let live.

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

rotherham

To be honest I neither believe or not

Unsure and on the fenc

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then she is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then she is malevolent.

Is she both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is she neither able nor willing? Then why call her God?

Right my Fellow FAB Forum Friends its Sunday and I have to get ready for church..........!! Not really I have to get ready to receive friends of FAB as we are meeting for lunch then back to mine for an afternoon of pleasures of the flesh and to break one of the ten commandments. Today I will be coveting another mans wife while he takes pictures and films the decadence. I can of course confess these sins next week and all will be well and I will be a sinner no more!!

Have a great day believers and heathens alike!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your body already kills off many cancer cells every day, so there already is a cure for cancer.

ever thought your own actions make you responsible for yourself? just you don't have the knowledge to make the correct choices or even choose to ignore advice because you enjoy committing sins.

i am not religious btw but good at making anything suit my way of thinking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

Perhaps it's because Cancer is the biggest killer of all?

And the fact that anti-biotics have saved millions of lives will pale into insignificance compared to the numbers of lives that will be lost due to anti-biotic resistant super bugs which have evolved due to their over use.

The money that is made by Pharmaceutical company's on the ineffective drugs and treatments that are currently being used is far far greater than the profit that would be made for any cure. The drug companies don't want to find a cure for cancer as it would massively affect their profit.

Why do you think that most Cancer research are funded by public donations. If our Government was so keen to find a cure for cancer then why not invest the money to find it? Why not use all profit from let's say the National Lottery for a year to find a cure for cancer? The reason? It"s not in their interests.

After being diagnosed with cancer in April I, as many others do, went on the Internet to try and get as much information about my condition as possible. Some of the information I found changed the way I thought completely.

Take a look at these two sites and I'd be interested to hear your comments afterwards.

www.cancertutor.com index B

www.sot.net article 228583-s

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Atheists don't blame him, since they don't believe in him, but they often choose to use the existence of evil and suffering as "evidence" that he can't exist.

The Smug ones don't, they look for answers elsewhere. My deities are maths, physics, and chemistry.

Yours seems to be a lazy fuck who started shit he can't finish.

I respect maths, physics and chemistry but I still believe in a creation force.

There's really no need to mock.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

Perhaps it's because Cancer is the biggest killer of all?

Take a look at these two sites and I'd be interested to hear your comments afterwards.

www.cancertutor.com index B

www.sot.net article 228583-s

I don't need to look at the sites. I get it, cancer is bad. And it's personal for you, I'm sorry to hear that. Other conditions are personal to me, and they cause just as much heartbreak as cancer. It's not a competition.

I don't see what any of that has to do with the existence or absence of God though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally think both physics and creationism ultimately have somewhat "dodgy" backgrounds, both start by being created by "something" but what then created the "something" in the first place? and so on and so on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes! To answer some people's answers to my 'Big Bang theory' comment, including the apparent scientist, who should very well know this, is that CERN have very much proven that the Big Bang happened due to their hadron collider experiments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

Perhaps it's because Cancer is the biggest killer of all?

Take a look at these two sites and I'd be interested to hear your comments afterwards.

www.cancertutor.com index B

www.sot.net article 228583-s

I don't see what any of that has to do with the existence or absence of God though. "

Oh you don't? Well the OP was a question about God and the cure for Cancer.

Somebody replied with a very valid point about pharmaceutical companies and their profits.

You then decide to label that person a "smug atheist" because it didn't conform to your way of thinking. Everybody is entitled to their view whether you agree with it or not.

The tone of your reply was very patronising, yes I know cancer is "bad" like everyone else does.

The fact that you didn't want to look at the source of this information just proves your ignorance really.

Typical God squad mentality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't label anyone in here smug, it was a general observation, not a reflection on any one in this thread in particular.

I'll take patronising, but I'm hardly "God squad".

And frankly use of that term is why there's no point me reading your links.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't label anyone in here smug, it was a general observation, not a reflection on any one in this thread in particular.

I'll take patronising, but I'm hardly "God squad".

And frankly use of that term is why there's no point me reading your links.

Are we a Politician by chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally think both physics and creationism ultimately have somewhat "dodgy" backgrounds, both start by being created by "something" but what then created the "something" in the first place? and so on and so on."

A Brief History of Time https://g.co/kgs/t7Jx8F

Lets not forget we've only been really trying to decipher it for 500 years.

Not being able to explain our existence fully isn't a reason to make it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't label anyone in here smug, it was a general observation, not a reflection on any one in this thread in particular.

I'll take patronising, but I'm hardly "God squad".

And frankly use of that term is why there's no point me reading your links.

Are we a Politician by chance?"

Yes, I'm a Conservative MP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't label anyone in here smug, it was a general observation, not a reflection on any one in this thread in particular.

I'll take patronising, but I'm hardly "God squad".

And frankly use of that term is why there's no point me reading your links.

Are we a Politician by chance?

Yes, I'm a Conservative MP. "

...lucky guess eh?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't label anyone in here smug, it was a general observation, not a reflection on any one in this thread in particular.

I'll take patronising, but I'm hardly "God squad".

And frankly use of that term is why there's no point me reading your links.

Are we a Politician by chance?

Yes, I'm a Conservative MP. "

That explains everything!

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By *unfriends1976Couple
over a year ago

Darlington

Humans have already cured some big killer diseases, smallpox has been totally eradicated for example. Other diseases will be cured or prevented in time, as science and knowledge increases. How someone believes that that knowledge is gained doesn't really matter.

As for if there is an afterlife, I think schrodinger's cat explains it perfectly. Until you die you will never know.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Humans have already cured some big killer diseases, smallpox has been totally eradicated for example. Other diseases will be cured or prevented in time, as science and knowledge increases. How someone believes that that knowledge is gained doesn't really matter.

As for if there is an afterlife, I think schrodinger's cat explains it perfectly. Until you die you will never know."

Good point well made!!

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

Hamlet describes what it is to sense both the evil and the divine within our human frames. How like an angel in apprehension, and yet capable of being so base. The paragon of animals.

It is not for me to say whether or not there is a God/Gods or Goddesses. I do suspect, however, that since the dawn of human consciousness, we have sought answers to those incredible contradictions within, and many have come up with deities as an answer.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

I'm not religious so I'm thinking about this from a 'creator' point of view.

I've created lots of things (a piece of writing, a meal, a running route, training program...) and every one of those have had faults, some barely notice able and some huge that I've thrown them away. Some I try to improve and otheres I just live with and work around the faults.

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

I'm not religious so I'm thinking about this from a 'creator' point of view.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True. Some have. Others like copernicus, Darwin, Boyle, dalton, Charles, newton, avogadro etc have bothered to sit down and try and work it out with a lifetime of hard work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im into science human are only here a small time is there dinosaurs in heavon.

Does god look a human lol

What about aliens if there is aliens htf are we meant to know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True. Some have. Others like copernicus, Darwin, Boyle, dalton, Charles, newton, avogadro etc have bothered to sit down and try and work it out with a lifetime of hard work.

And yet some of those people continued to believe in God. Many scientists working at the pinnacle of human understanding of where we came from still end up believing there must be something else. Striving to increase human understanding isn't incompatible with belief in a god.

To write all believers off as lazy, stupid and/or mentally ill is, to me, far more indicative of a sheep-like adherence to the current popular groupthink than someone who chooses to believe in something bigger than themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True. Some have. Others like copernicus, Darwin, Boyle, dalton, Charles, newton, avogadro etc have bothered to sit down and try and work it out with a lifetime of hard work.

Well put

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

True. Some have. Others like copernicus, Darwin, Boyle, dalton, Charles, newton, avogadro etc have bothered to sit down and try and work it out with a lifetime of hard work.

I think it was Socrates who said wisest is he/she who knows they do not know... There is always more to discover.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

And yes, I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Im into science human are only here a small time is there dinosaurs in heavon.

Does god look a human lol

What about aliens if there is aliens htf are we meant to know "
see this is what i dont get why people think its all to do with humans. My belief has nothing to do with hunans but the whole of life form. I believe in souls i do not believe when i became a human a soul popped into my body. What i do believe is humans are the only ones with the intelligence to think about this kind of stuff.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

And yes, I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all. "
You have lost me! Am I smug or not? Its a question more important than the meaning of life and the existence of God!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

And yes, I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all. "

The ramblings of a self denied God squadist, patronising, ignorant Conservative MP.

Makes perfect sense to me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

And yes, I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

The ramblings of a self denied God squadist, patronising, ignorant Conservative MP.

Makes perfect sense to me!

I hope you understand I'm not really a Conservative MP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

And yes, I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all. You have lost me! Am I smug or not? Its a question more important than the meaning of life and the existence of God!"

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Conspiracy theory all illnesses are man made they could cure everyone who is dying from cancer,hiv or whatever else but the simple fact is its a good way to control the population, if everyone got cured tomorrow all the planets resources would run out in a far shorter period.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

And yes, I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

The ramblings of a self denied God squadist, patronising, ignorant Conservative MP.

Makes perfect sense to me!

I hope you understand I'm not really a Conservative MP

...well you should be!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell. "

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!"

I think I'm getting incredulous, more than smug.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!"
I'm an atheist

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

I think I'm getting incredulous, more than smug. "
So the lady is for turning?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

I think I'm getting incredulous, more than smug. So the lady is for turning?"

You turn if you want to...

(For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not a dead ex Conservative PM either

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Shame this thread ended up in two man competition it was interesting until then

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By *ecretlyASoftieWoman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

Because we are the cancer

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Because......we all know the answer!"

she's in the pay of the new world Bilderberg err brandenberg err bollocks berg group and its all to protect their patents or sumfink..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon God is a t-rex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!"

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I reckon God is a t-rex "

Marc Bolan was pretty good looking

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

A Brief History of Time https://g.co/kgs/t7Jx8F

Lets not forget we've only been really trying to decipher it for 500 years.

Not being able to explain our existence fully isn't a reason to make it up. "

Yes, CaughtJester, that's why I started my post by saying I'm an agnostic, but you cut that bit off the quote.

I don't know if you are trying to pick an argument or make yourself look clever. Only one of them is working.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

The paragraph is nonsensical at best and confused at worst. Dealing with the grammar she ends a sentence mid way then begins a sentence with a conjunction. Then she labels a section of the community with an adjective then retracts that with a qualification.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Sorry for the delete: my phone's in irony mode again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!"

It makes perfect sense, although obviously starting a sentence with 'because' was naughty of me. Try reading it aloud if you're still struggling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So back to the point?

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By *am-RaiderMan
over a year ago

Corby

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

I dunno why athiests are all labelled as smug. They are simply choosing to not believe the nonsense of the herd.

So if your God is creator/kickstarter...he/she/it has no control now and so is absolved of any responsibility for the ways of the world today?

What form does it take..force or being or thing?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!

It makes perfect sense, although obviously starting a sentence with 'because' was naughty of me. Try reading it aloud if you're still struggling. "
It makes no sense at all. To many atheists and smugness in the quote for my liking!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've got no need or time for the super natural, it answers none of the big questions I ask myself and hinders all the small questions!.

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By *am-RaiderMan
over a year ago

Corby

"Wow,

Just imagine if someone actually managed to prove that God doesn't exist..

What would people do with all that extra time they are not praying to an almighty...

They'd probably start wars instead.

Without religion there would be one less motivator for war?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc"

Nor has God apparently.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc

Nor has God apparently."

I haven't read the whole thread, but if you've moved on from "anyone who disagrees with me is mental", I'll happily have a stab at the OP?

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over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

I dunno why athiests are all labelled as smug. They are simply choosing to not believe the nonsense of the herd.

So if your God is creator/kickstarter...he/she/it has no control now and so is absolved of any responsibility for the ways of the world today?

What form does it take..force or being or thing?"

Atheists aren't all labelled as smug. The smug ones who I've experienced are labelled as smug. I'm sure someone will be along to take me to task for the construction of this sentence too, all the while denying their smugness. Maybe I should have plumped for condescension instead...

Yes God is absolved of responsibility because the actions of humans are the actions of humans. We aren't guided by an all powerful force, we choose what happens.

Why does God have to take a form? I believe there was a creator, something which made it possible for the conditions to come together such that life could exist. But any description of the form of that is limited by my human experience.

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over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!

It makes perfect sense, although obviously starting a sentence with 'because' was naughty of me. Try reading it aloud if you're still struggling. It makes no sense at all. To many atheists and smugness in the quote for my liking!"

It does make sense. You're just choosing not to believe

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!

It does make sense. You're just choosing not to believe

"
I must be a non believer then!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc

Nor has God apparently.

I haven't read the whole thread, but if you've moved on from "anyone who disagrees with me is mental", I'll happily have a stab at the OP?

Have I asserted that anyone who disagrees with me is mental? Must have missed that! Feel free to stab away!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc

Nor has God apparently.

I haven't read the whole thread, but if you've moved on from "anyone who disagrees with me is mental", I'll happily have a stab at the OP?

Have I asserted that anyone who disagrees with me is mental? Must have missed that! Feel free to stab away!"

Surely once one accepts evolution as the method by which we have arrived here, the need for cancer and diseases is self-evident?

If we cure everything, won't be just be living till we're 120, have having to work until we're 105 to pay for it?

Cancer is a bastard, but our method of palliative care is down to us, surely?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc

Nor has God apparently.

I haven't read the whole thread, but if you've moved on from "anyone who disagrees with me is mental", I'll happily have a stab at the OP?

Have I asserted that anyone who disagrees with me is mental? Must have missed that! Feel free to stab away!

Surely once one accepts evolution as the method by which we have arrived here, the need for cancer and diseases is self-evident?

If we cure everything, won't be just be living till we're 120, have having to work until we're 105 to pay for it?

Cancer is a bastard, but our method of palliative care is down to us, surely?

Personally, given the size, and age of the universe, I'm happy to accept that I am not even the tiniest blink of an eye in the scheme of things. I'm just happy to have been given the opportunity to have taken part. "
The post has moved away from the original after life question. The point on cancer was that [some] of those who believe in an almighty and higher being are happy to credit the deity with all things good and forget that the little speck of the universe we occupy has less than nice things to contend with. The subject matter of the comparison could have been AIDS, MND or Dementia it was merely to make a point.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire

"Gosh, I see you've moved on to grammar now.

Did you find a cure for cancer?

Mr ddc

Nor has God apparently.

I haven't read the whole thread, but if you've moved on from "anyone who disagrees with me is mental", I'll happily have a stab at the OP?

Have I asserted that anyone who disagrees with me is mental? Must have missed that! Feel free to stab away!

Surely once one accepts evolution as the method by which we have arrived here, the need for cancer and diseases is self-evident?

If we cure everything, won't be just be living till we're 120, have having to work until we're 105 to pay for it?

Cancer is a bastard, but our method of palliative care is down to us, surely?

Personally, given the size, and age of the universe, I'm happy to accept that I am not even the tiniest blink of an eye in the scheme of things. I'm just happy to have been given the opportunity to have taken part. The post has moved away from the original after life question. The point on cancer was that [some] of those who believe in an almighty and higher being are happy to credit the deity with all things good and forget that the little speck of the universe we occupy has less than nice things to contend with. The subject matter of the comparison could have been AIDS, MND or Dementia it was merely to make a point."

I know.

That's why I said "Cancer and all diseases."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!

Sigh. Starting a sentence with a conjunction is perfectly acceptable. But that wasn't my point. (!) By the way, I think you meant "too" many atheists....if you're that irked by correct use of the English language.....Ruby's paragraph still makes sense in clarifying her original point and it's a shame you're unable to follow the logic. Anyway, have a nice day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I didn't make any comments about people. I called your made up god lazy not you.

You were the one labelling people in general as Smug atheists.

The implication behind your statement about Darwin, Boyle et al was that some people decide there's a God but they're the lazy ones who haven't tried hard enough to understand.

I'm afraid it's just too soon for me to tell.

I labelled smug atheists smug atheists. Because they are atheists, who are very smug. I didn't label every atheist smug, some of them aren't smug at all.

This is complete and utter nonsense!

Actually Ruby's paragraph makes complete sense, and is akin to the use of language in a verbal reasoning test. Some will find it complicated to comprehend though. The joy of diversity.

If you are stating that the paragraph is a good example of verbal reasoning then you are sadly mistaken. The narrative would not pass the most basic of verbal reasoning or comprehension tests!

"
Nope I don't understand the paragraph makes no sense at all but that said neither does the ladies argument in general. You to(o) have a nice evening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A Brief History of Time https://g.co/kgs/t7Jx8F

Lets not forget we've only been really trying to decipher it for 500 years.

Not being able to explain our existence fully isn't a reason to make it up.

Yes, CaughtJester, that's why I started my post by saying I'm an agnostic, but you cut that bit off the quote.

I don't know if you are trying to pick an argument or make yourself look clever. Only one of them is working."

WTF you going on about? I wasn't even quoting you. So who's picking a fight? You it seems.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

Smugs his shoulders and leaves it be.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Got ist tot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

Yes. She never said she didn't, nor did I. But saying smug atheists make point X, is not the same as saying all atheists are smug. Please tell me you understand the difference?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That smug atheist comment really got to you

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world. "

You've misunderstood both "Atheist" and "The burden of proof".

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over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

You've misunderstood both "Atheist" and "The burden of proof". "

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over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

You've misunderstood both "Atheist" and "The burden of proof". "

Not really. Proof is in inverted commas. I don't need proof to believe, that's why it's called faith. But if your argument is science above all else, then you do have to prove your theories. Unless it's just faith in scientific theory, in which case that's just another kind of faith.

It's either God is responsible for the good AND the bad, or neither. I believe in God as responsible for neither. I haven't misunderstood anything, I just believe something different to most of you and while I respect others' beliefs (or absence of, in the case of atheists) I rarely get afforded the same respect.

Anyway, just back from church and he told me to stop arguing with your mob on the internet.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

You've misunderstood both "Atheist" and "The burden of proof".

Anyway, just back from church and he told me to stop arguing with your mob on the internet.

Correct - that is why it is called a "leap of" faith, because you have to suspend your disbelief.

Howevere, the burden of proof is on he/she who makes an assertion, and given that there is no tangible proof that there is a god (by your admission) atheists are content to disregard the notion.

Scientific theory is not a kind of faith. It is the polar opposite because no leap therof is requred. Theories are dynamic, as new evidence emerges, they change, they are not monolithic. Theories are a "probable explanation for a phenomena, given the current available evidence". Rigorous scientists should try as hard as they can to disprove their theoem and f they cannot, then they accept it until such time as it can be disproved/altered.

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(Lee) I always liked this...

"Did God create everything that exists? Does evil exist? Did God create evil?

A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"

The other students snickered at the young man's question.

The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color.

You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's Inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.

The young man's name - Albert Einstein"

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Atheists appear to live by dogma too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"(Lee) I always liked this...

"Did God create everything that exists? Does evil exist? Did God create evil?

A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?"

A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

"God created everything?" The professor asked.

"Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil. And, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"

"Of course", replied the professor.

The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?"

The other students snickered at the young man's question.

The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

The professor responded, "Of course it does."

Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

The professor sat down.

The young man's name - Albert Einstein""

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"(Lee)

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme."

(Lee)

OOPS....sorry... I said I liked it, heard it a long time ago. Its not mine.

This discussion is like Santa Clause (Im a believer)....lot of evidence points to his existence....but no one can prove he does not.

in the end we dont know...we live...then we die. (I might get a tombstone...but it dont matter Im dead)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"(Lee)

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme.

(Lee)

OOPS....sorry... I said I liked it, heard it a long time ago. Its not mine.

This discussion is like Santa Clause (Im a believer)....lot of evidence points to his existence....but no one can prove he does not.

in the end we dont know...we live...then we die. (I might get a tombstone...but it dont matter Im dead)

it's ok.

there is no evidence at all. that is why religions are faith based, because they have to be.

same here. it doesn't really matter if they exist or not because i'm not following a faith nor basing my life on one, and neither does any faith intrude on my life and try to restrict it. so if they exist or not it doesn't affect me at all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

Yes. She never said she didn't, nor did I. But saying smug atheists make point X, is not the same as saying all atheists are smug. Please tell me you understand the difference? "

You are using symatics to talk more nonsense. I think we have each made a point.

In summary I don't believe in any God the after life or any doctrine that supports or asserts the opposite to that belief. I would even say that not all believers are smug as I would not be so conceited. Please tell me you understand in a non patronising way.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"(Lee)

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme.

(Lee)

OOPS....sorry... I said I liked it, heard it a long time ago. Its not mine.

This discussion is like Santa Clause (Im a believer)....lot of evidence points to his existence....but no one can prove he does not.

in the end we dont know...we live...then we die. (I might get a tombstone...but it dont matter Im dead)

No tangible evidence points to the existence of a god or gods, and this is why I don't believe in one.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Atheists appear to live by dogma too.

I'm an atheist I don't xxx

I think you meant some xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It all boils down to whether you want to belive in the super natural world or the known natural world.

It's a relatively easy choice for myself

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over a year ago

"(Lee)

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme.

(Lee)

OOPS....sorry... I said I liked it, heard it a long time ago. Its not mine.

This discussion is like Santa Clause (Im a believer)....lot of evidence points to his existence....but no one can prove he does not.

in the end we dont know...we live...then we die. (I might get a tombstone...but it dont matter Im dead)

No tangible evidence points to the existence of a god or gods, and this is why I don't believe in one. "

(Lee)

That's cool. I can respect that.

I'm not Christian

Difference is good but seeing our similarities makes the world a better place.

Hugs

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Oops, another thread discussing air.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

Why send a cure for something "she" created? Got to the lawn somehow. If you believe the blurb, anyway. Personally, I don't give a shit if a god exists or not. Stuff will still happen and humans will still invent answers to every question they don't understand. E=MC2 - nothing more than a theory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To continue the discussion.................

If god does truly exist why doesn't she send a cure for cancer?"

Which God? Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Jehovah?

I have equal respect for everyones God, past or present. I don't think any of the thousands of God's are going to help with the cancer problem, if they were then what's keeping them? They can't all be busy.

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By *uddlybear2015Man
over a year ago

BEDFORD

"Why cancer and not heart disease? Or MS? Or muscular dystrophy? It's always cancer which smug atheists use as their "proof", not any of the other causes of suffering and death in the world.

As a ”smug atheist" I would just like to say I have never used the above argument as proof of the non existance of any deity,Its not my place to prove or disprove,if you believe,then I say Good,that's your choice,all I ask is that my choice is respected.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've given up caring

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

There is no God

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no God

Can I be god?

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There is no God

Can I be god?

No.

End of.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I can be a Godess

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I can be a Godess

Move to Glastonbury - we have a goddess temple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no God

Can I be god?

No.

End of. "

Damn!! Worth a shot

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There is no God

Can I be god?

No.

End of.

Damn!! Worth a shot

Take responsibility for yourself. Do not worship pop idols. Do not follow false prophets. Learn to stand on your own two feet as a human being, free of the shackles of superstition.

There is no god.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"I can be a Godess

Move to Glastonbury - we have a goddess temple"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what other intelligent life forms in the universe believe about how they came to exist.

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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"I wonder what other intelligent life forms in the universe believe about how they came to exist. "

Evolution, like any self-aware sentient creature.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"There is no God

Can I be god?

No.

End of.

Damn!! Worth a shot

Take responsibility for yourself. Do not worship pop idols. Do not follow false prophets. Learn to stand on your own two feet as a human being, free of the shackles of superstition.

There is no god. "
yet for someone who doesnt believe youve just quoted one of the ten commandmants

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"There is no God

Can I be god?

No.

End of.

Damn!! Worth a shot

Take responsibility for yourself. Do not worship pop idols. Do not follow false prophets. Learn to stand on your own two feet as a human being, free of the shackles of superstition.

There is no god. yet for someone who doesnt believe youve just quoted one of the ten commandmants"

It's a) part of a line from a song b) meant to be ironic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"(Lee)

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme.

(Lee)

OOPS....sorry... I said I liked it, heard it a long time ago. Its not mine.

This discussion is like Santa Clause (Im a believer)....lot of evidence points to his existence....but no one can prove he does not.

in the end we dont know...we live...then we die. (I might get a tombstone...but it dont matter Im dead)

No tangible evidence points to the existence of a god or gods, and this is why I don't believe in one. "
well you exhist you have ears eyes a mouth probably just about breathing lol you are fed and watered ....etc etc etc etc....tangible enuff???? He died on the cross for you...

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"(Lee)

he didn't even say that. that's a facebook meme.

(Lee)

OOPS....sorry... I said I liked it, heard it a long time ago. Its not mine.

This discussion is like Santa Clause (Im a believer)....lot of evidence points to his existence....but no one can prove he does not.

in the end we dont know...we live...then we die. (I might get a tombstone...but it dont matter Im dead)

No tangible evidence points to the existence of a god or gods, and this is why I don't believe in one. well you exhist you have ears eyes a mouth probably just about breathing lol you are fed and watered ....etc etc etc etc....tangible enuff???? He died on the cross for you..."

That is only evidence for evolution sorry .

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

^ nice tits

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By *reedy_for_funCouple
over a year ago

My House

I stopped believing in invisible things when I was a kid.

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over a year ago

"I stopped believing in invisible things when I was a kid. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oooh a religious thread....what could possibly go wrong.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

There was a piece on Radio 4's Today programme where the Right-Reverend Bishop of Somewhere gave a long-winded and worthy explanation for my we should let Jesus int your hearts and believe in God.

Prof. Dawkins came on after and simply said, "Well, I don;t know why we should listen to the bishop just because he has an imaginary friend!"

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"I stopped believing in invisible things when I was a kid. "

Like hope, fear, jealousy, air etc ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(Lee)

Anyone want to talk physics and the theory about "Dark Matter"

Religion. ..science. ..fiction. ..fact...

Hmmmmmmmmmm? ?????

Where does it belong?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"(Lee)

Anyone want to talk physics and the theory about "Dark Matter"

Religion. ..science. ..fiction. ..fact...

Hmmmmmmmmmm? ?????

Where does it belong?

Yes , I understand the facts that underpin the theory of dark matter which make the theory plausible but by no means an accepted fact it is also plausible that some maths is wrong but to date newton's laws of motion have not been illustrated to be wrong xxx

Now I also understand there is zero data that underpins any human invented God concept and that the plausibility of any one of them would be slight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(Lee)

So... you sound well versed.

Well done.

So some very intelligent men can believe in something like that and other intelligent men disagree. AND no one can prove it (yet).

We stand before the great word called "faith" (not religious) in what someones heart believes.

Without it.... I am without.

Hugs

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over a year ago

"(Lee)

So... you sound well versed.

Well done.

So some very intelligent men can believe in something like that and other intelligent men disagree. AND no one can prove it (yet).

We stand before the great word called "faith" (not religious) in what someones heart believes.

Without it.... I am without.

Hugs

"
you don't have to be religios going to churches and all that

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"(Lee)

So... you sound well versed.

Well done.

So some very intelligent men can believe in something like that and other intelligent men disagree. AND no one can prove it (yet).

We stand before the great word called "faith" (not religious) in what someones heart believes.

Without it.... I am without.

Hugs

Believe ? No that would be foolish

Understand yes

Dark matter is really really vague

What it says is there is evidence to suggest something exists which does not emit or reflect emf

Erm yeah I'd have to say that's a plausible statement ? What is not claimed is a vast host of attributes that something has other than an effective gravity

If you're telling me it does exist , I would not belive you as you do not know

If your telling me there is data to suggest it might exist , I'd examine the data xxx

No belief or faith required

Now if you want to pick you should have mentioned string theory and multi dimensions

Again I can understand the reasoning without believing that they hold the truth , I'd suggest that both such theories have so little data to validate them that belief would be a foolish standpoint

Just as I can understand the two God theories and with currant data the one suggesting gods are created by humans has a lot more supporting data than humans were created by a god

By pure logic we can prove that at very least all bar one of the God concepts past and present have indeed been fabricated by the human imagination xxx

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"(Lee)

So... you sound well versed.

Well done.

So some very intelligent men can believe in something like that and other intelligent men disagree. AND no one can prove it (yet).

We stand before the great word called "faith" (not religious) in what someones heart believes.

Without it.... I am without.

Hugs

Believe ? No that would be foolish

Understand yes

Dark matter is really really vague

What it says is there is evidence to suggest something exists which does not emit or reflect emf

Erm yeah I'd have to say that's a plausible statement ? What is not claimed is a vast host of attributes that something has other than an effective gravity

If you're telling me it does exist , I would not belive you as you do not know

If your telling me there is data to suggest it might exist , I'd examine the data xxx

No belief or faith required

Now if you want to pick you should have mentioned string theory and multi dimensions

Again I can understand the reasoning without believing that they hold the truth , I'd suggest that both such theories have so little data to validate them that belief would be a foolish standpoint

Just as I can understand the two God theories and with currant data the one suggesting gods are created by humans has a lot more supporting data than humans were created by a god

By pure logic we can prove that at very least all bar one of the God concepts past and present have indeed been fabricated by the human imagination xxx"

Nice tits, shame about the logic

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"(Lee)

So... you sound well versed.

Well done.

So some very intelligent men can believe in something like that and other intelligent men disagree. AND no one can prove it (yet).

We stand before the great word called "faith" (not religious) in what someones heart believes.

Without it.... I am without.

Hugs

Believe ? No that would be foolish

Understand yes

Dark matter is really really vague

What it says is there is evidence to suggest something exists which does not emit or reflect emf

Erm yeah I'd have to say that's a plausible statement ? What is not claimed is a vast host of attributes that something has other than an effective gravity

If you're telling me it does exist , I would not belive you as you do not know

If your telling me there is data to suggest it might exist , I'd examine the data xxx

No belief or faith required

Now if you want to pick you should have mentioned string theory and multi dimensions

Again I can understand the reasoning without believing that they hold the truth , I'd suggest that both such theories have so little data to validate them that belief would be a foolish standpoint

Just as I can understand the two God theories and with currant data the one suggesting gods are created by humans has a lot more supporting data than humans were created by a god

By pure logic we can prove that at very least all bar one of the God concepts past and present have indeed been fabricated by the human imagination xxx

Nice tits, shame about the logic

Thanks it's the 5x5 routine with cable crossovers

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over a year ago

Believe ? No that would be foolish

Understand yes

Dark matter is really really vague

What it says is there is evidence to suggest something exists which does not emit or reflect emf

Erm yeah I'd have to say that's a plausible statement ? What is not claimed is a vast host of attributes that something has other than an effective gravity

If you're telling me it does exist , I would not belive you as you do not know

If your telling me there is data to suggest it might exist , I'd examine the data xxx

No belief or faith required

Now if you want to pick you should have mentioned string theory and multi dimensions

Again I can understand the reasoning without believing that they hold the truth , I'd suggest that both such theories have so little data to validate them that belief would be a foolish standpoint

Just as I can understand the two God theories and with currant data the one suggesting gods are created by humans has a lot more supporting data than humans were created by a god

By pure logic we can prove that at very least all bar one of the God concepts past and present have indeed been fabricated by the human imagination xxx"

Human fabrication. ..I agree.

Like science. ... everything you have learned came from teachers and books.

You have not performed all these scientific experiments and theory. .. but you BELIEVE they are true.

You have faith in people you have never met nor touched or talked to. Why?

Because alot of people told you they where smart people and you should learn from them?

I guess you believe them too with no basis of fact before you learned what yhe facts were.

You are very smart....

You should know alot of humans lie.

(You are a good debater too. Respect.)

Hugs

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"(Lee)

If you really understand the facts that underpin dark matter, you would know newtons laws have been illustrated to be wrong / incomplete.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"(Lee)

If you really understand the facts that underpin dark matter, you would know newtons laws have been illustrated to be wrong / incomplete."

I think you will find that acceleration is proportional to its mass and the forces acting upon it and nowhere is this contradicted xxx

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Believe ? No that would be foolish

Understand yes

Dark matter is really really vague

What it says is there is evidence to suggest something exists which does not emit or reflect emf

Erm yeah I'd have to say that's a plausible statement ? What is not claimed is a vast host of attributes that something has other than an effective gravity

If you're telling me it does exist , I would not belive you as you do not know

If your telling me there is data to suggest it might exist , I'd examine the data xxx

No belief or faith required

Now if you want to pick you should have mentioned string theory and multi dimensions

Again I can understand the reasoning without believing that they hold the truth , I'd suggest that both such theories have so little data to validate them that belief would be a foolish standpoint

Just as I can understand the two God theories and with currant data the one suggesting gods are created by humans has a lot more supporting data than humans were created by a god

By pure logic we can prove that at very least all bar one of the God concepts past and present have indeed been fabricated by the human imagination xxx

Human fabrication. ..I agree.

Like science. ... everything you have learned came from teachers and books.

You have not performed all these scientific experiments and theory. .. but you BELIEVE they are true.

You have faith in people you have never met nor touched or talked to. Why?

Because alot of people told you they where smart people and you should learn from them?

I guess you believe them too with no basis of fact before you learned what yhe facts were.

You are very smart....

You should know alot of humans lie.

(You are a good debater too. Respect.)

Hugs

I have actually performed a good number of experiments and I'm not sure I myself have told you I believe all the data and all the experiments I have heard about ?

In fact I was alluding to the fact that I DON'T believe much of what I read believe in the case meaning I accepted as a non disputed truth

For example I don't believe in the big bang

Ie all we know came from an implausibly small thing , including time

To date no one knows thus a status of belief would be foolish

I have however observed red shift and that objects in the visible universe are moving away from each other

Thus conclude as fact as from time undetermined the universe is expanding

No belief required xxx

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"(Lee)

I think you will find that acceleration is proportional to its mass and the forces acting upon it and nowhere is this contradicted xxx

I've got 'o' level physics, but thanks for the reminder.

I think you'll find Newtons laws are contradicted in quantum mechanics and general relativity.

I don't pretend to understand these. But I have a sketchy enough skimming of the surface of them to know that they don't hold true.

My gripe is posters trying to over state their depth of knowledge.

I don't think you can claim to truly understand the underpinning of dark matter yet not know about the limitations of Newtons laws.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

These posts are too long

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

There

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

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over a year ago

Glastonbury

God

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Here endeth the thread.

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