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"But wasn't that always going to happen when you set up an inquiry as a knee-jerk reaction while still trying to control the direction? Did it happen? Yes Did some people cover it up? Yes Did others simply not believe it could be true? Yes Will anyone be successfully prosecuted? No Will institutions use it as a way to bash other institutions? Yes Will lawyers use it as a gravy-train? Yes Now we have the answers, to whom do I send my fee?
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878" He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him." in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else | |||
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"Most legal teams will drag it out to make costs go up. Those involved dont want it to happen so it gets dragged out...the longer it goes on for the more it costs until it gets to a point where it becomes unmanageable and gets binned " Given what has happened so far - I think We are at that point. | |||
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"But wasn't that always going to happen when you set up an inquiry as a knee-jerk reaction while still trying to control the direction? Did it happen? Yes Did some people cover it up? Yes Did others simply not believe it could be true? Yes Will anyone be successfully prosecuted? No Will institutions use it as a way to bash other institutions? Yes Will lawyers use it as a gravy-train? Yes Now we have the answers, to whom do I send my fee?
Mr ddc"  I think it's going to be an incredibly expensive exercise that's ultimately not going to provide what any of the parties involved want, least of all the abuse survivors themselves. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else " No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one." Correct. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one. Correct. " But we are no further to getting the truth of the matter | |||
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"The historic child abuse enquiry is again beset by a high profile departure from the enquiry team. After a year of trying to set the final terms of reference for the enquiry the investigation seems no further on. How difficult can setting up an enquiry be? Costs are escalating with no real movement on trying to uncover the truth. Those affected by the alleged abuse must feel so frustrated? " There is no real movement because there are some big names (royals+showbiz/sports stars)who would be revealed. We won't get the truth | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one." On the contrary,this is probably a part of the biggest conspiracy in any of our memories. Ffs saville had his fingers up a young girls skirt on top of the pops how do you conclude there is no conspiracy? | |||
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"I think they're hoping that if they can spin it out for enough time then all the perpetrators will be dead or have Alzheimer's and will therefore be exempt from coming to trial...Not a good result for the victims but perfect for the 'Establishment'." | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one. On the contrary,this is probably a part of the biggest conspiracy in any of our memories. Ffs saville had his fingers up a young girls skirt on top of the pops how do you conclude there is no conspiracy?" There is no conspiracy in this lawyer story; he has simply been " suspended" because he cannot agree with the methodology. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one. On the contrary,this is probably a part of the biggest conspiracy in any of our memories. Ffs saville had his fingers up a young girls skirt on top of the pops how do you conclude there is no conspiracy? There is no conspiracy in this lawyer story; he has simply been " suspended" because he cannot agree with the methodology. " who made the decision to suspend him? | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else " Hit the nail on the head. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else No; He has clashed with the leaders over how it can actually be achieved. There's no " conspiracy" in this one. On the contrary,this is probably a part of the biggest conspiracy in any of our memories. Ffs saville had his fingers up a young girls skirt on top of the pops how do you conclude there is no conspiracy? There is no conspiracy in this lawyer story; he has simply been " suspended" because he cannot agree with the methodology. " Doesn't that show you clearly there is something wrong here? Why would you hire what is apparentley one of the best lawyers and then try to dictate to him how to do his job? | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else Hit the nail on the head." That's the trouble with " conspiracy theories" There is no point explaining facts; because if you have decided there is a conspiracy, then every real fact is just " part of the conspiracy" | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else Hit the nail on the head. That's the trouble with " conspiracy theories" There is no point explaining facts; because if you have decided there is a conspiracy, then every real fact is just " part of the conspiracy"" The real trouble is most people cannot differentiate between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. There is obviously an ongoing conspiracy ffs why deny it when even the media admit it? The cat is out of the bag,it is a conspiracy and NOT a theory  | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else Hit the nail on the head. That's the trouble with " conspiracy theories" There is no point explaining facts; because if you have decided there is a conspiracy, then every real fact is just " part of the conspiracy" The real trouble is most people cannot differentiate between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. There is obviously an ongoing conspiracy ffs why deny it when even the media admit it? The cat is out of the bag,it is a conspiracy and NOT a theory "But you are making the proposition that the suspension of this lawyer is oartbofvthepart conspiracy; when it is simply about a clash of professional opinions; he is saying that the enquiry is impossible to complete under the current plan, they are sticking to their guns with an unrealistic plan . This issue is nothing to do with the overall " conspiracy" or whatever you choose to call the years of issues concerning child abuse . | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else Hit the nail on the head. That's the trouble with " conspiracy theories" There is no point explaining facts; because if you have decided there is a conspiracy, then every real fact is just " part of the conspiracy" The real trouble is most people cannot differentiate between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. There is obviously an ongoing conspiracy ffs why deny it when even the media admit it? The cat is out of the bag,it is a conspiracy and NOT a theory
But you are making the proposition that the suspension of this lawyer is oartbofvthepart conspiracy; when it is simply about a clash of professional opinions; he is saying that the enquiry is impossible to complete under the current plan, they are sticking to their guns with an unrealistic plan .
This issue is nothing to do with the overall " conspiracy" or whatever you choose to call the years of issues concerning child abuse .
"I am not proposing anything,I am stating facts. The enquiries are being deliberately sabotaged by a variety of means,this is not my theory,it is an accurate resume of what has occurred in this ongoing conspiracy. If you want to try and be clever with fancy words why don't you research the word 'theory' or 'theorise'. I think you will discover that factual comments are not theories. England supposedly the best legal system in the world and you theorise it is acceptable for justice to be evaded on the basis of legal arguments? Hahaha funny sh!t | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else Hit the nail on the head. That's the trouble with " conspiracy theories" There is no point explaining facts; because if you have decided there is a conspiracy, then every real fact is just " part of the conspiracy" The real trouble is most people cannot differentiate between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. There is obviously an ongoing conspiracy ffs why deny it when even the media admit it? The cat is out of the bag,it is a conspiracy and NOT a theory
But you are making the proposition that the suspension of this lawyer is oartbofvthepart conspiracy; when it is simply about a clash of professional opinions; he is saying that the enquiry is impossible to complete under the current plan, they are sticking to their guns with an unrealistic plan .
This issue is nothing to do with the overall " conspiracy" or whatever you choose to call the years of issues concerning child abuse .
I am not proposing anything,I am stating facts. The enquiries are being deliberately sabotaged by a variety of means,this is not my theory,it is an accurate resume of what has occurred in this ongoing conspiracy.
If you want to try and be clever with fancy words why don't you research the word 'theory' or 'theorise'. I think you will discover that factual comments are not theories.
England supposedly the best legal system in the world and you theorise it is acceptable for justice to be evaded on the basis of legal arguments? Hahaha funny sh!t"But this lawyers argument is nothing to do with the theory ( or " fact") of sabotaging the enquiry; Whether the other issues are actually deliberate sabotages, is certainly not a fact; though it is a possible theory; But the balance of evidence is simply that the enquiry continues to flounder because the task set is just so huge; that no-one can actually visualise how to do it. | |||
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"In fact... The most senior lawyer working for the independent inquiry into historical child sexual abuse in England and Wales has been suspended from duty. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37500878 He is a highly experienced lawyer ; It was floating about for some time that he was questioning the scope of the enquiry, simply on the basis that it is such a huge and wide ranging subject, his assessment was that it would be massively difficult unless it was somehow broken down into manageable sections; and the work was planned a different way. The home secretary and Profesor Jay are refusing to accept that view; so have suspended him.in other words he was likely to get to close to the truth of the establishments coverups and lies so out he goes till they get someone who can present the white wash as some thing else Hit the nail on the head. That's the trouble with " conspiracy theories" There is no point explaining facts; because if you have decided there is a conspiracy, then every real fact is just " part of the conspiracy" The real trouble is most people cannot differentiate between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. There is obviously an ongoing conspiracy ffs why deny it when even the media admit it? The cat is out of the bag,it is a conspiracy and NOT a theory
But you are making the proposition that the suspension of this lawyer is oartbofvthepart conspiracy; when it is simply about a clash of professional opinions; he is saying that the enquiry is impossible to complete under the current plan, they are sticking to their guns with an unrealistic plan .
This issue is nothing to do with the overall " conspiracy" or whatever you choose to call the years of issues concerning child abuse .
I am not proposing anything,I am stating facts. The enquiries are being deliberately sabotaged by a variety of means,this is not my theory,it is an accurate resume of what has occurred in this ongoing conspiracy.
If you want to try and be clever with fancy words why don't you research the word 'theory' or 'theorise'. I think you will discover that factual comments are not theories.
England supposedly the best legal system in the world and you theorise it is acceptable for justice to be evaded on the basis of legal arguments? Hahaha funny sh!t
But this lawyers argument is nothing to do with the theory ( or " fact") of sabotaging the enquiry;
Whether the other issues are actually deliberate sabotages, is certainly not a fact; though it is a possible theory;
But the balance of evidence is simply that the enquiry continues to flounder because the task set is just so huge; that no-one can actually visualise how to do it."It's hurting isn't it, keep banging your head against the wall. Would an aspirin help? *I'm agreeing with you btw.  | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen." No It isn't. | |||
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"It's sadly all a bit of a waste of time. It's all too late. Yes people need to pay for what's happened but some of the people involved are dead so they can't be brought to justice. If they were then them going to prison or any compensation won't change what happened to the victims when they were children. Yes they'd like to know that people believe they were telling the truth when they spoke up years ago. The nation now believes them. They could get people in power to apologise but non of that will change what has happened. What the victims need is support and counselling. The money getting wasted on investigations would be much better spent on help for the victims. " If there was evidence available to convict perpetrators, that shouldn't be dealt with via an enquiry anyway - if there was sufficient evidence to make a judgement then there would be more criminal prosecutions. | |||
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"It's sadly all a bit of a waste of time. It's all too late. Yes people need to pay for what's happened but some of the people involved are dead so they can't be brought to justice. If they were then them going to prison or any compensation won't change what happened to the victims when they were children. Yes they'd like to know that people believe they were telling the truth when they spoke up years ago. The nation now believes them. They could get people in power to apologise but non of that will change what has happened. What the victims need is support and counselling. The money getting wasted on investigations would be much better spent on help for the victims. If there was evidence available to convict perpetrators, that shouldn't be dealt with via an enquiry anyway - if there was sufficient evidence to make a judgement then there would be more criminal prosecutions. "Correct; Instead of wasting many millions on an enquiry, which won't even help the " national conscience"; The money could be better spent on prise tying those who can be prosecuted; supporting victims ( the actual victims; there are a lot of fake ones) and rooting out the problem in institutions . And stopping it happening in future. Doing real practical stuff; not producing ( probably in about 30 years) a massive report of several million words that no one will read. | |||
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"But wasn't that always going to happen when you set up an inquiry as a knee-jerk reaction while still trying to control the direction? Did it happen? Yes Did some people cover it up? Yes Did others simply not believe it could be true? Yes Will anyone be successfully prosecuted? No Will institutions use it as a way to bash other institutions? Yes Will lawyers use it as a gravy-train? Yes Now we have the answers, to whom do I send my fee?
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't." This actually quite insane | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane " It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest." I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions." and im sure peoples minds on here boggle with how niaeve  your sounding. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions." People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry." do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx" I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry." This is no place for logic and common sense. Desist immediately. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. This is no place for logic and common sense. Desist immediately. " well i dont believe in your 'logic' im afraid so its best we agree to disagree... | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry." so the people who keep appointing these people are maybe just wanting people who they appoint to agree with them from the word go and if they dont fall in line they are removed, i know from my own personel experience there is rarely such thing as a 'independant' enquiry when goverment..establishment...high profile figures are involved. maybe in 12mths we could return to this subject and see how its progressed, maybe we both could be suprised! x | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. so the people who keep appointing these people are maybe just wanting people who they appoint to agree with them from the word go and if they dont fall in line they are removed, i know from my own personel experience there is rarely such thing as a 'independant' enquiry when goverment..establishment...high profile figures are involved. maybe in 12mths we could return to this subject and see how its progressed, maybe we both could be suprised! x" I suspect I won't be. I also predict the inquiry will have cost many more millions, achieved diddly squat and sadly many more children will have been abused and continue to be abused while all the attention is focused on the alleged crimes of dead men. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. so the people who keep appointing these people are maybe just wanting people who they appoint to agree with them from the word go and if they dont fall in line they are removed, i know from my own personel experience there is rarely such thing as a 'independant' enquiry when goverment..establishment...high profile figures are involved. maybe in 12mths we could return to this subject and see how its progressed, maybe we both could be suprised! x I suspect I won't be. I also predict the inquiry will have cost many more millions, achieved diddly squat and sadly many more children will have been abused and continue to be abused while all the attention is focused on the alleged crimes of dead men. " that attention is a 1000% needed, it shouldnt be a case of oh they are dead lets forget it???? they find it easy to investigate, fraud, drugs and other crimes on an industrial scale, yet it comes to abuse they, i suggest, they complicate it purposely as they wouldnt want their own being exposed! im sure we both agree on this though, lets hope they do expose them dead or alive! x | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. so the people who keep appointing these people are maybe just wanting people who they appoint to agree with them from the word go and if they dont fall in line they are removed, i know from my own personel experience there is rarely such thing as a 'independant' enquiry when goverment..establishment...high profile figures are involved. maybe in 12mths we could return to this subject and see how its progressed, maybe we both could be suprised! x I suspect I won't be. I also predict the inquiry will have cost many more millions, achieved diddly squat and sadly many more children will have been abused and continue to be abused while all the attention is focused on the alleged crimes of dead men. that attention is a 1000% needed, it shouldnt be a case of oh they are dead lets forget it???? they find it easy to investigate, fraud, drugs and other crimes on an industrial scale, yet it comes to abuse they, i suggest, they complicate it purposely as they wouldnt want their own being exposed! im sure we both agree on this though, lets hope they do expose them dead or alive! x" Of course it's not "they're dead, let's forget it". But if it's "they're dead, and there's no credible evidence that will ever stand up in a court of law" then yes, I think the resources would far better focused on current child protection activities. | |||
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. This is no place for logic and common sense. Desist immediately. well i dont believe in your 'logic' im afraid so its best we agree to disagree... " That's perfectly fine.
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. This is no place for logic and common sense. Desist immediately. well i dont believe in your 'logic' im afraid so its best we agree to disagree... That's perfectly fine.
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"Its being sabotaged by those within the establishment who dont want it to happen. No It isn't. This actually quite insane It could be true. The enquiry is best with resignations and supposedly conflicts of interest. I'm talking about people's reactions to it... As I've already stated, the scale and scope of the inquiry is too large... but the public demand something must be done, even if they don't quite understand what that means in practice. A lot of this thread is devoted to people saying, "Ah-ha! This is clearly evidence of a conspiracy!" when it is nothing of the sort. My mind boggles at the way in which some people reach their decisions. People enjoy leaping to the most unlikely conclusion because the reality is always far more mundane. It must be a massive establishment cover up! It couldn't possibly be the inevitable outcome of a really poorly framed inquiry. do you not believe it happens or its a strong possibilty? xx I believe cover ups happen, of course they do. A lawyer resigning from an enquiry, and even the parade of chairs it's had so far, are not evidence of a cover up. These things don't even suggest a cover up - they suggest they were the wrong appointments and it's the wrong enquiry. so the people who keep appointing these people are maybe just wanting people who they appoint to agree with them from the word go and if they dont fall in line they are removed, i know from my own personel experience there is rarely such thing as a 'independant' enquiry when goverment..establishment...high profile figures are involved. maybe in 12mths we could return to this subject and see how its progressed, maybe we both could be suprised! x I suspect I won't be. I also predict the inquiry will have cost many more millions, achieved diddly squat and sadly many more children will have been abused and continue to be abused while all the attention is focused on the alleged crimes of dead men. that attention is a 1000% needed, it shouldnt be a case of oh they are dead lets forget it???? they find it easy to investigate, fraud, drugs and other crimes on an industrial scale, yet it comes to abuse they, i suggest, they complicate it purposely as they wouldnt want their own being exposed! im sure we both agree on this though, lets hope they do expose them dead or alive! x Of course it's not "they're dead, let's forget it". But if it's "they're dead, and there's no credible evidence that will ever stand up in a court of law" then yes, I think the resources would far better focused on current child protection activities. " | |||
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